Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:53, Jack wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:08 +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: Power Quest drive image , a comercial drive image programme, can do almost everything except some of the linux file systems, like reiserf. It can certainly handle resizing well. Norton Ghost ver.9 (actually Drive Image since Symantec took it over) does this as well. As does Paragon Drive Backup (the best of the bunch IMHO) and Acronis True Image. Paragon will backup and restore Linux drives as well as NTFS... - Jack Gads Are you guys really that addicted to mouse-clicks? Type in 4 short commands and it's all done whereas you lot are installing all sorts of not 100% or faulty gui's and clicking all over the screen (at least a100 times or more) with no result at all. Don't let the machine take over: Take over the machinethis is linux/unix!!! I'm late to this thread. Care to list the four commands mentioned? -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Thursday 28 October 2004 09:17, SnapafunFrank wrote: I'm late to this thread. Care to list the four commands mentioned? -- Regards SnapafunFrank mount, find, cpio and lilo :) Here's the howto(sort of) .. I copied the lines from my first mail in this thread: What I would do in a situation like this: 1)Create the needed partitions on the new disk --- let's assume it's /dev/hdb and the partions are similar to /dev/hda ..only bigger, using fdisk or cfdiskand make those active or bootable that need to be. 2)unmounting all mounted partitions except / from which you're running...Optionally you can do telinit 1 as su/root which will achieve the same. 3) mount the partitions you want to copy to, on ready made directories in /mnt (i.e. /mnt/disk2, /mnt/disk3, etc..) 4)Then copy all the partitions to hdb going into the toplevel of each partition (excepting /, the root partition) and type (as su/root): find . -xdev | cpio -padm /mnt/diskx (where x is the partition/mount n° needed) 5)Get some coffee as that'll take a while;) 6)reboot using a liveCD or mandrake rescue mode i.e. run in ram. 7)mount your old root partition (/) as well as your new one some where on /mnt/ (i.e. /mnt/oldroot /mnt/newroot° 8)cd into /mnt/oldroot: cd /mnt/oldroot and repeat the find . -xdev | cpio -padm /mnt/newroot (not the quotes and mind the . !) 9)Drink some more coffee and edit /mnt/newroot/etc/lilo.conf and /mnt/newroot/etc/fstab appropiately ...then edit /mnt/oldroot/etc/lilo.conf and add a new entry there called linux-new (or such) pointing to your newroot partition (this way you can back out if something goes wrong!) 10)reboot into your old system (there is a way of running lilo on a not running / , but I never looked how) and run lilo, and reboot again ;( where you now should see linux-new as an added option in your lilo bootmenu.and boot into that. 11) If all goes well you can then remove/delete your old hda partitions physically and from lilo.conf Bear in mind that I myself have never done this with a ntfs or vfat partition so (triple)check those thouroughly before removing/deleting the old stuff!!! -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Miark wrote: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:31:37 +0200, Alan wrote: Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. http://www.mondorescue.com will backup or clone any system running Linux (even if it's a multi-boot system). Miark Partimage can backup all types of file systems now, and restore them from image files, whether stored on HD or on CD. It's one real disadvantage is that it cannot restore into resized partitions, at all well, that is not at all into smaller partitions, and only badly in larger partitions, it leaves the excess space alone. Power Quest drive image , a comercial drive image programme, can do almost everything except some of the linux file systems, like reiserf. It can certainly handle resizing well. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 06:08, John Richard Smith wrote: Power Quest drive image , a comercial drive image programme, can do almost everything except some of the linux file systems, like reiserf. It can certainly handle resizing well. Paragon Hard Drive Manager will handle Linux file systems, including reiserfs and does pretty much the same thing as most other commercial drive image programs. If you have to go commercial that is. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:08 +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: Power Quest drive image , a comercial drive image programme, can do almost everything except some of the linux file systems, like reiserf. It can certainly handle resizing well. Norton Ghost ver.9 (actually Drive Image since Symantec took it over) does this as well. As does Paragon Drive Backup (the best of the bunch IMHO) and Acronis True Image. Paragon will backup and restore Linux drives as well as NTFS... - Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 07:11 -0400, Bryan Phinney wrote: Paragon Hard Drive Manager will handle Linux file systems, including reiserfs and does pretty much the same thing as most other commercial drive image programs. If you have to go commercial that is. Paragon also has an Image explorer (PE explorer) which can double as a file manager that can operate on Linux or Windows files while in Windows. It can copy and delete files in both operating systems during the same session. One final note... though this is a Windows program, it's recovery CD boots and operates under Linux... - Jack Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 21:53, Jack wrote: On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 11:08 +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: Power Quest drive image , a comercial drive image programme, can do almost everything except some of the linux file systems, like reiserf. It can certainly handle resizing well. Norton Ghost ver.9 (actually Drive Image since Symantec took it over) does this as well. As does Paragon Drive Backup (the best of the bunch IMHO) and Acronis True Image. Paragon will backup and restore Linux drives as well as NTFS... - Jack Gads Are you guys really that addicted to mouse-clicks? Type in 4 short commands and it's all done whereas you lot are installing all sorts of not 100% or faulty gui's and clicking all over the screen (at least a100 times or more) with no result at all. Don't let the machine take over: Take over the machinethis is linux/unix!!! -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hard disk clone
Good day all I want to upgrade my 120gb Hard disk to a 160gb Hard disk. I tried to use norton ghost but the minute it starts on my root partition it stops. How can I check the integrity of my disk and it's partition? Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. Thanks Alan -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Op Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:31:37 +0200 schreef Alan: Good day all I want to upgrade my 120gb Hard disk to a 160gb Hard disk. I tried to use norton ghost but the minute it starts on my root partition it stops. How can I check the integrity of my disk and it's partition? Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost You could check out partimage. It is either on freshmeat or sourceforge, I think. Paul -- Discretion is the better part of valour http://www.nlpagan.net/linux.htm Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 October 2004 12:31, Alan wrote: I want to upgrade my 120gb Hard disk to a 160gb Hard disk. I tried to use norton ghost but the minute it starts on my root partition it stops. How can I check the integrity of my disk and it's partition? Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. Partimage is a linux clone of Partition Magic, Paragon Hard Drive manager and other types of partition manager tools. One really good way to handle this is to download a copy of System Rescue Live CD from http://sysresccd.org burn the ISO to CD and boot up using the CD. That way, none of the hard drive partitions start out as active and you should be able to copy all the partitions from one hard drive directly to the next hard drive, intact and then just boot from either one after it is connected at the same physical location. I think that it even supports copying entire NTFS partitions, it just doesn't allow you to write to NTFS partitions directly without loading up CaptiveNTFS. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 October 2004 18:31, Alan wrote: Good day all I want to upgrade my 120gb Hard disk to a 160gb Hard disk. I tried to use norton ghost but the minute it starts on my root partition it stops. How can I check the integrity of my disk and it's partition? Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. Thanks Alan What I would do in a situation like this: 1)Create the needed partitions on the new disk --- let's assume it's /dev/hdb and the partions are similar to /dev/hda ..only bigger, using fdisk or cfdiskand make those active or bootable that need to be. 2)unmounting all mounted partitions except / from which you're running...Optionally you can do telinit 1 as su/root which will achieve the same. 3) mount the partitions you want to copy to, on ready made directories in /mnt (i.e. /mnt/disk2, /mnt/disk3, etc..) 4)Then copy all the partitions to hdb going into the toplevel of each partition (excepting /, the root partition) and type (as su/root): find . -xdev | cpio -padm /mnt/diskx (where x is the partition/mount n° needed) 5)Get some coffee as that'll take a while;) 6)reboot using a liveCD or mandrake rescue mode i.e. run in ram. 7)mount your old root partition (/) as well as your new one some where on /mnt/ (i.e. /mnt/oldroot /mnt/newroot° 8)cd into /mnt/oldroot: cd /mnt/oldroot and repeat the find . -xdev | cpio -padm /mnt/newroot (not the quotes and mind the . !) 9)Drink some more coffee and edit /mnt/newroot/etc/lilo.conf and /mnt/newroot/etc/fstab appropiately ...then edit /mnt/oldroot/etc/lilo.conf and add a new entry there called linux-new (or such) pointing to your newroot partition (this way you can back out if something goes wrong!) 10)reboot into your old system (there is a way of running lilo on a not running / , but I never looked how) and run lilo, and reboot again ;( where you now should see linux-new as an added option in your lilo bootmenu.and boot into that. 11) If all goes well you can then remove/delete your old hda partitions physically and from lilo.conf Bear in mind that I've never done this with a ntfs or vfat partition so (triple)check those thouroughly before removing/deleting the old stuff!!! -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:27:05 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 25 October 2004 12:31, Alan wrote: I want to upgrade my 120gb Hard disk to a 160gb Hard disk. I tried to use norton ghost but the minute it starts on my root partition it stops. How can I check the integrity of my disk and it's partition? Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. Partimage is a linux clone of Partition Magic, Paragon Hard Drive manager and other types of partition manager tools. One really good way to handle this is to download a copy of System Rescue Live CD from http://sysresccd.org burn the ISO to CD and boot up using the CD. That way, none of the hard drive partitions start out as active and you should be able to copy all the partitions from one hard drive directly to the next hard drive, intact and then just boot from either one after it is connected at the same physical location. I think that it even supports copying entire NTFS partitions, it just doesn't allow you to write to NTFS partitions directly without loading up CaptiveNTFS. -- Bryan Phinney __ Herbalife Independent Distributor http://www.healthiest.co.za Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 October 2004 14:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. I think that means that the time stamp on the boot.* file is incorrect for what lilo expects the time stamp to be. This could mean that you issued the lilo command to write the MBR at a later or earlier time than is shown on the timestamp of that file. If you copied a partition over and then reran the lilo command or copied the file with a newer write date than lilo expects, it should give you the error. One way to fix this is to boot with the Linux cd into rescue mode and tell it to mount your partitions under /mnt and then reinstall Lilo which should pick up the configuration again, rewrite the mbr and you should then be able to reboot back into Linux or whatever is allowed under lilo. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. Have you tried booting from the install disk and typing rescue ? This will allow you to reinstall the bootloader. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Mandrake 10 Microsoft Free Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Ian wrote: On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. Have you tried booting from the install disk and typing rescue ? This will allow you to reinstall the bootloader. I've just burnt an ISO of G4L (Ghost for Linux) Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 05:27, frankieh wrote: Ian wrote: On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. Have you tried booting from the install disk and typing rescue ? This will allow you to reinstall the bootloader. I've just burnt an ISO of G4L (Ghost for Linux) Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki Aw crikey - and here I thought I was the ultimate scavenger of useful utilities and helpful applications - dang a dingo's kidney - this is great! (Downloading now after less than five seconds of Googling) Cheers Franki! -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free and no viruses Registered User # 267497 --- Fools rush in -- and get the best seats in the house. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 October 2004 22:20, Stephen Kühn wrote: Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. Franki, When it does that, can it resize the new partition too or do you keep the original partition size (table) like when you use dd to copy? seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Monday 25 October 2004 22:20, Stephen Kühn wrote: Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. Franki, When it does that, can it resize the new partition too or do you keep the original partition size (table) like when you use dd to copy? seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki I can't answer that.. as I've booted from it, and have played in the menu's abit.. but I've not yet written anything to disk. I suspect that the click and clone thing is just a direct RAW copy. meaning you'd have to resize the partitions yourself later. rgds franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Monday 25 Oct 2004 20:27, frankieh wrote: Ian wrote: On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. Have you tried booting from the install disk and typing rescue ? This will allow you to reinstall the bootloader. I've just burnt an ISO of G4L (Ghost for Linux) Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki Franki, Can I pre-empt Anne here, as How do I clone a disk is asked so often here (and elsewhere for that matter), when you are familiar with it could you put something on the Wiki please ? -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Poogle wrote: On Monday 25 Oct 2004 20:27, frankieh wrote: Ian wrote: On Monday 25 Oct 2004 19:02, Alan Rolfe wrote: Okay bug stuff up... What does a lilo time stamp error mean? i can't boot now. Have you tried booting from the install disk and typing rescue ? This will allow you to reinstall the bootloader. I've just burnt an ISO of G4L (Ghost for Linux) Seems pretty cool, there is a click and copy mode where you can just select one drive. (eg hda) and then a target drive, (eg hdb) and it will clone one onto the other.. seems pretty cool.. it has a heap of partition tools and stuff on it as well. (including partimage) rgds Franki Franki, Can I pre-empt Anne here, as How do I clone a disk is asked so often here (and elsewhere for that matter), when you are familiar with it could you put something on the Wiki please ? LOL, ok, when I've had a good play.. I'll knock something together for it. rgds Franki Linux user 218317 (counter.li.org) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:31:37 +0200, Alan wrote: Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. http://www.mondorescue.com will backup or clone any system running Linux (even if it's a multi-boot system). Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
On Tuesday 26 October 2004 02:01, Miark wrote: http://www.mondorescue.com will backup or clone any system running Linux (even if it's a multi-boot system). Miark message.footer well, if you only want to back-up and restore use dump and restore..both have excelent man-pages:) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk clone
Miark wrote: On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:31:37 +0200, Alan wrote: Is there another product (linux based) that I can use instead of Ghost (bear in mind it has two ntfs partitions on it as well. http://www.mondorescue.com will backup or clone any system running Linux (even if it's a multi-boot system). http://www.mondorescue.org works better. Bob -- -- Bob Read // Registered Linux user #287118 The Church of The Master [Baptist] Providence, Rhode Island http://users.ids.net/~bobread/cotm.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
