Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 03:26, Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory mode. Truly useless, but the end users pay anyway. Even better, or worse, is that my daughter's employer has just bought her a new box with XP. She doesn't even get a recovery disk. She has to take it back to the vendor if it's needed. We solved it, hopefully, by partitioning on the fly then imaging the first partition. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXBvVkFAvMr/nNX8RAjgvAJ9JjYtSXWs8RQ1OOouSqCJDrYc6dwCfaLme tOBLw0RIC6BA65Hag18QVFA= =hMP9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 05:24 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Even better, or worse, is that my daughter's employer has just bought her a new box with XP. She doesn't even get a recovery disk. She has to take it back to the vendor if it's needed. We solved it, hopefully, by partitioning on the fly then imaging the first partition. Anne I notice that some brands already provide this kind of feature. Acer is one, the give you a hdd with a hidden D drive containing the original C image, and a recovery button on the CPU casing, which make recovery very easy. I wish Linux has this kind magic solution. - -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | http://linux.arinet.org 17:28:32 up 5:48, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 public key: https://www.arinet.org/fajar-pub.key -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXB1xkp5CsIXuxqURAvA3AJ9HutQPt23glDiF1I2cledpJZ9g/ACgi7R/ Yr5cZ0UQHWHt9EZZG/Phvbk= =fI4O -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 20 March 2004 10:31, Fajar Priyanto wrote: I notice that some brands already provide this kind of feature. Acer is one, the give you a hdd with a hidden D drive containing the original C image, and a recovery button on the CPU casing, which make recovery very easy. I wish Linux has this kind magic solution. I'm pretty sure that he is using the hidden partition route, but I wouldn't know how to get to it, so it's useless without returning it to him. He's a one-man business, and when he is on a virus-removal hunt he can be unavilable for a week. No use at all to her, so we took our own steps. Hopefully they'll never be needed, but I like to see something in place Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAXB8ykFAvMr/nNX8RAkncAJ0dBaXKRo84PwhLhZ5gOarRPUa2QQCeMAik D05VDR9Vyu+upGN4KUEFlNI= =beOb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Saturday 20 March 2004 06:12 am, Frank Bax wrote: At 10:26 PM 3/19/04, Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory mode. Truly useless, but the end users pay anyway. I think here you are referring to the $35 version here. When I build new systems, I get OEM media (a real OS disk) for CDN$220 for XP-pro - about US$167. Must purchase hardware components at same time to qualify though. Either way ($35/$200) there must be a license sticker glued to case to prove OEM license. Frank Yup, the big guys--Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc--the ones that MicroSux gives the sweetheart deals to. Not the full-install OEM disk that small white box outfits pay real money to buy. e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 22:55, robin wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the 'reasonable price' is still high for many people? Not that I'm cynical, or anything, but being realistic, a commercial company gets what it can for its products. That's true, but I think in this case the objection is that they are using their monopoly position. There was a similar brouhaha about British Telecom shortly after it was privatised, IIRC. Absolutely, Robin. I was merely commenting that what might, in comparison to other areas, seem 'reasonable cost' is still beyond the means of many people. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWqqckFAvMr/nNX8RAvvnAJ9tmG0el2vzOt0PJh5hsNs5WtPBgwCeLvyU 2tLuT+SSt1TEiitrbagH6kY= =2prP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Here in Turkey, Windows costs around $2 (Mandrake costs a bit more, because there are more CDs). To quote a local comedy show, Please don't use the word 'pirate'. We are art distributors. Here that OS would cost around US$3. But, you know what, I think it's still too expensive. :-) I once read (possibly even on a mandrake list) that M$s biggest asset was that MOST of the world's programmers and sysadmins and certain almost all of the world's joe bloggs' are only comfortable using M$ products. I would like to see the figures of M$ still losing ground. Sure Linux and others might be gaining a little here and there, but i'm sure M$ is also still growing as a company. Actual raw numbers are growing for both and while that is still happening then M$ can afford to let this little Linux thing continue. While I know lots of people that think it is cool to use pirated M$ software - the joke is on them. While people are only comfortable using M$ then there are always situations where they will extract their pound. 3rd world companies still have to pay for their licences. Jesus, aparently even in China now they are getting strict! But ask yourselves this - how many companies would buy copies of M$Office if all their employees used Open Office at home? Eh? Think about it. Microsoft will dance the fine line trying to stop the scourge of piracy but only so far. If they really stopped all those $2 and $3 copies then people would really start looking for alternatives. They would see that M$ is just glossier, and gives no real competitive advantage. M$ does not want that to happen. I recently flat out refused to get my dad an illegal copy of office, which I could have acquired, had I wanted ;-). No I will not, I said. I will, however, give you a copy of Open Office, and also of Star Office (when they had their free licences I got a few). So I got ready to send it to him... but in the meanwhile dad, just boot into the linux partition I installed for you when I was up for christmas... and btw you don't need to worry about viruses in Linux so you don't have to get another virus checker... What do you know? Dad now uses Linux. Be vigilant my friends and free your fellows from crime - stop piracy NOW! The less you condone the use of pirated software the more you promote alternatives - FREEDOM. Cheers Anton -=-=- ... Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. -- G.B. Shaw Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 05:45 pm, anton wrote: I once read (possibly even on a mandrake list) that M$s biggest asset was that MOST of the world's programmers and sysadmins and certain almost all of the world's joe bloggs' are only comfortable using M$ products. I would like to see the figures of M$ still losing ground. Sure Linux and others might be gaining a little here and there, but i'm sure M$ is also still growing as a company. Actual raw numbers are growing for both and while that is still happening then M$ can afford to let this little Linux thing continue. While I know lots of people that think it is cool to use pirated M$ software - the joke is on them. While people are only comfortable using M$ then there are always situations where they will extract their pound. 3rd world companies still have to pay for their licences. Jesus, aparently even in China now they are getting strict! But ask yourselves this - how many companies would buy copies of M$Office if all their employees used Open Office at home? Eh? Think about it. Microsoft will dance the fine line trying to stop the scourge of piracy but only so far. If they really stopped all those $2 and $3 copies then people would really start looking for alternatives. They would see that M$ is just glossier, and gives no real competitive advantage. M$ does not want that to happen. I recently flat out refused to get my dad an illegal copy of office, which I could have acquired, had I wanted ;-). No I will not, I said. I will, however, give you a copy of Open Office, and also of Star Office (when they had their free licences I got a few). So I got ready to send it to him... but in the meanwhile dad, just boot into the linux partition I installed for you when I was up for christmas... and btw you don't need to worry about viruses in Linux so you don't have to get another virus checker... What do you know? Dad now uses Linux. Be vigilant my friends and free your fellows from crime - stop piracy NOW! The less you condone the use of pirated software the more you promote alternatives - FREEDOM. Cheers Anton You're right Anton, MS will never try to crack down piracy by itself (well at least not officially). Here in my place, a copyright law was taken effect for more than two years ago. Instead of scoring big bucks from companies by raiding them, MS repeatedly denied that they will do such raids. Because they know, once they do the raid, a huge migration to open source will happen here (some already happen, companies are begining move into open source alternatives). So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. - -- 19:00:57 up 1:40, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWuJpkp5CsIXuxqURAiK3AKCJL6FG5qU0PEitV7RRWWwhQD3tUQCfdxyr 5eaMNMi6yhsdOMX4C+WSAvU= =/gU8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Bingo. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 07:29:56 up 7 days, 22:00, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ Reality is what you can get away with. -- Robert Anton Wilson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Bingo. Yes Joe. Here in my place, it is not MS that promoting the use of legal software, but the open source community. What a paradox :) - -- 19:46:31 up 2:25, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWuvikp5CsIXuxqURAohRAKCyR/bLr19AWYnhOmY7YMUmGQRuuwCfaXEK YehnXSROKfuFShnzjxfUHu0= =romb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
19/03/2004 19:07 Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Just like drug dealer.First,they give the drug free.Once you can not escape the drug addiction,they start to levy high price on the drug. Terima Kasih -- http://www.hastapurnama.or.id/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:01:03 +0700 Hasta Purnama disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Just like drug dealer.First,they give the drug free.Once you can not escape the drug addiction,they start to levy high price on the drug. ...and there are other similarities too: I don't think Windows users belong in prison, they just need counselling and treatment ;-) -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:40:51 up 7 days, 23:11, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ The amount of poverty and suffering required for the emergence of a Rockefeller, and the amount of depravity that the accumulation of a fortune of such magnitude entails, are left out of the picture, and it is not always possible to make the people in general see this. -- Che Guevara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 14:30, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Bingo. it's been said before, MS is happy to let windows get pirated, but come down heavy on office piracy. Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Friday 19 March 2004 03:17 am, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 02:27, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: I just checked CompUSA prices (given as Full/Upgrade in USD): XP Pro: $299.99/$159.99* XP Home: $199.99/$99.99 2000 Pro: $319.99/$219.99 ME: $203.69/$115.13 MS Bob: Not shown * after $40.00 rebate (isn't that curious?) Note: The above prices do not include such necessary software such as a firewall, virus protection, office suite, compiler, etc... It seems as if m'learned colleague has perjured himself in his opening statement. -- cmg Perhaps he means if you buy 5m copies? But even that can't be right, or governments would still be buying g Anne Anne: The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded in them. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 15:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded in them. -- cmg You mean they pretend that those are free? The figure I gave (around £92) was the oem price, only available with a new mobo or hdd. You're not telling me that M$ give them away to new systems. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWw/qkFAvMr/nNX8RAjTvAJwOXBW1bzT5bO7wDCu0TepVLoB05ACfacir uO/z8quFfoOTymCaGMdNYo8= =LWxo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Friday 19 March 2004 14:47, Fajar Priyanto wrote: On Friday 19 March 2004 07:30 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:07:03 +0700 Fajar Priyanto disseminated the following: So, I think in some degree, MS is letting piracy to happen, because they know it is their way to dose the computer users to keep using their product thus maintaining its popularity. Bingo. Yes Joe. Here in my place, it is not MS that promoting the use of legal software, but the open source community. What a paradox :) Same here. -- Klemens Arro My software never has bugs; it just develops random features. Using: Mandrake Linux 10 Registered Linux User#: 346118 ICQ#: 179198850 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Friday 19 March 2004 08:17 am, Paul wrote: it's been said before, MS is happy to let windows get pirated, but come down heavy on office piracy. Paul M I haven't used Windoze for quite some time, don't even have it installed. BUT, back when I was disallusioned into runnin the latest, I downloaded the files an .cab's needed to install RC3, W98 . from microsoft.com Complete files too, no hunting for missin ones. Later M$ said it was a mistake, an anybody that d/l'd the files needed to delete them. Yeah... right. FWIW, RC3 was better than the final. Less bloat for legacy hardware. I reckon M$ figured the warez newsgroups needed some updates ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Proud to be an American Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Friday 19 March 2004 10:21 am, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 March 2004 15:07, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The $50 figure was probably based on a weighted average of retail and OEM sales. After all, most new PC's come with Windows preloaded in them. -- cmg You mean they pretend that those are free? The figure I gave (around £92) was the oem price, only available with a new mobo or hdd. You're not telling me that M$ give them away to new systems. Anne Anne: The OEM price that you are quoting is the price for the OEM version, but that is far more than the Dell's and HP's are paying. Back during the days of the MS trial and subsequent settlement, it came out that major OEM's were paying something on the order of $35 per system for the OS. So if they sold a whole bunch at $35, and a lot less at $200, the total_income would be (whole_bunch x $35) + (lot_less x $200) for (whole_bunch + lot_less) systems. If whole_bunch = 10 x lot_less, then the average price would be $50, thereby getting m'learned colleague off of the hook. (m'learned colleague seems to be the British equivalent to the American lying lawyer. Yeah, I know -- it's an oxymoron.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Friday 19 March 2004 05:42 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Anne: The OEM price that you are quoting is the price for the OEM version, but that is far more than the Dell's and HP's are paying. Back during the days of the MS trial and subsequent settlement, it came out that major OEM's were paying something on the order of $35 per system for the OS. So if they sold a whole bunch at $35, and a lot less at $200, the total_income would be (whole_bunch x $35) + (lot_less x $200) for (whole_bunch + lot_less) systems. If whole_bunch = 10 x lot_less, then the average price would be $50, thereby getting m'learned colleague off of the hook. (m'learned colleague seems to be the British equivalent to the American lying lawyer. Yeah, I know -- it's an oxymoron.) -- cmg To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory mode. Truly useless, but the end users pay anyway. e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Erylon Hines wrote: To make matters worse, the OEM's don't include a real OS disk with their machines. The crippled crap disk included is a recovery disk which formats the HD and returns the machine to the factory mode. Truly useless, but the end users pay anyway. e. Not always, I can pick up M$ WinXP OEM at my wholesaler, comes with the normal book, license, and the CD which has XP, service pack 1, and most of the updates all slipsteamed onto the CD... Its been ages since I had a need to sell one.. but its certainly possible. The thing is, when you buy a PC, or help someone else buy one, if you/they really want XP, make sure that you find a reseller that offers the Full CD with the machine.. All the big names like Dell, IBM, Toshiba, HP etc seem to offer the damn recovery CD's.. because in their minds it cuts down on support issues as they have all the drivers and such on them.. problem is that by the time you get the CD, the drivers are all out of date anyway. Its the little guys that you will get the proper CD from, the big guys will do anything to not have to talk to you support wise. (and most often when you call them you get some guy in India how only has the vaguest idea who he's working for and what language he needs to be speaking.) ok, yes, maybe I am a touch cynical about the big guys. :-) -- rgds Frank Hauptle (aka Franki) For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com Free web developer resources. Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 15:13:33 up 7 days, 5:43, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power -- Benito Mussolini Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 07:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 Nothing will ever change until Microsoft is truly taken down. Same Old Story since 1992. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- ... bacteriological warfare ... hard to believe we were once foolish enough to play around with that. -- McCoy, The Omega Glory, stardate unknown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$ OSs for $50? XP Pro is £98.25 here. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWgvhkFAvMr/nNX8RAqaKAJ0UcSSSooolebnSccc+JWv/0iZ3agCeKcBI R79ueeKsKZ7apAPh8gQ8/Mk= =XARR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 22:38, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 07:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=48713 Nothing will ever change until Microsoft is truly taken down. Same Old Story since 1992. stephen kuhn - owner Since the talks with the EU have broken down should be interesting news on Monday Wednesday next week. Paul M And in the beginning, Man created religion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 08:00, Paul wrote: Since the talks with the EU have broken down should be interesting news on Monday Wednesday next week. Paul M Nothings going to change Microsoft. They're going to constantly try to dictate the software world, dominate the OS world, bullshit the political and corporate world, and market themselves as the best no matter what. Unless someone knocks off Gates and Balmer and trashes the company, nothings going to change. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Are you a parent? Do you sometimes find yourself unsure as to what to say in those awkward situations? Worry no more... Good children always obey. Quit acting so childish. Boys don't cry. If you keep making faces, someday it'll freeze that way. Why do you have to know so much? This hurts me more than it hurts you. Why? Because I'm bigger than you. Well, you've ruined everything. Now are you happy? Oh, grow up. I'm only doing this because I love you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 16:21:16 up 7 days, 6:51, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ The report by the New York-based Human Rights Watch...described harsh conditions and treatment in U.S. military detention facilities, such as depriving prisoners of sleep... Such practices are regularly condemned by U.S. officials when they occur in other countries. -- Washington Post, March 9 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 23:22, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! See also http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3523232.stm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 17:51, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$ OSs for $50? XP Pro is £98.25 here. Anne In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. -- josenildo marques icq #289971493 homepage http://cyb.ezdir.net registered linux user #341648 * Humor is also a way of saying something serious. T. S. Eliot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the 'reasonable price' is still high for many people? Not that I'm cynical, or anything, but being realistic, a commercial company gets what it can for its products. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAWhxDkFAvMr/nNX8RAkL7AJ0f9/CRgumwd13Y3Os7+FGlhmrzbACeOXmM VrRwg9lldQs36lI6cF+hlSg= =BqCn -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:22, JoeHill wrote: On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:00:25 +0200 Paul disseminated the following: Since the talks with the EU have broken down Really? Monti didn't bow down to Stevie Ballmer? ...off to googlenews! Oh, good grief. what blue-eyed Canucks, Americans and Aussies do we have here ? - Do you really think the EU is some kind of a legal, democratic institution ? - Caring for the good of its citizens ? Think again. Before wednesday, you'll find the headlines going like this : The EU Commission and Microsoft settles : Microsoft allows certain non-Microsoft software into consumer PC's. Microsoft admits misconduct and pays a 10.000 ¤ fine. Of course - as every EU citizen knows - the whole case is nothing but a stunt to augment Monti Co's bribes. Do I sound misantropic... cynical..? - Well, let us see Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 21:30, Josenildo Marques wrote: In my share of the world they advertising they're selling any software for a reasonable price, payable in 10 months. Assuming that it's genuine software, I presume that the 'reasonable price' is still high for many people? Not that I'm cynical, or anything, but being realistic, a commercial company gets what it can for its products. That's true, but I think in this case the objection is that they are using their monopoly position. There was a similar brouhaha about British Telecom shortly after it was privatised, IIRC. Sir Robin -- Have you googled yet? Willow, she's seventeen! - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:43:00 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: Before wednesday, you'll find the headlines going like this : The EU Commission and Microsoft settles : Microsoft allows certain non-Microsoft software into consumer PC's. Microsoft admits misconduct and pays a 10.000 ___ fine. ...there's always hope :-) But ya, I don't think any legal institution is going to drive a stake through the heart of MS, it's going to play out more like a dinosaur thing, MS will just eventually become irrelevant. They're hemmhoraging in the enterprise/server market to open source alternatives, and the desktop isn't more than a few years away, even according to the most cynical observers. The SCO thing isn't going to work, the FUD isn't working anymore at all, they are _doomed_. Information (and software) will be free because it has to be, not because some bunch of bureaucrats and lawyers say so, all due respect to the efforts of the EFF. -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 17:49:31 up 7 days, 8:19, Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 ++ Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging. -- Martin Luther Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$ OSs for $50? XP Pro is £98.25 here. Maybe he was quoting OEM prices. Here in Turkey, Windows costs around $2 (Mandrake costs a bit more, because there are more CDs). To quote a local comedy show, Please don't use the word 'pirate'. We are art distributors. Sir Robin -- Have you googled yet? Willow, she's seventeen! - Buffy the Vampire Slayer Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS: 'We're very sorry'
On Thursday 18 March 2004 03:51 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 March 2004 20:14, JoeHill wrote: ...and knowing the Justice System, that'll about do it :-/ http://www.crn.com/Sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID =48713 Apart from anything else, I'd like to know where he shops. M$ OSs for $50? XP Pro is £98.25 here. Anne Anne: I just checked CompUSA prices (given as Full/Upgrade in USD): XP Pro: $299.99/$159.99* XP Home: $199.99/$99.99 2000 Pro: $319.99/$219.99 ME: $203.69/$115.13 MS Bob: Not shown * after $40.00 rebate (isn't that curious?) Note: The above prices do not include such necessary software such as a firewall, virus protection, office suite, compiler, etc... It seems as if m'learned colleague has perjured himself in his opening statement. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
