Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:23:02 +0200 Ronald disseminated the following: Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! yes we can :-) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5209896.html Well, I must say I'm used to contradictory, even pathologically, statements from MS, but... Excluding pirated copies could aggravate the damage of worms and other virus outbreaks, which ultimately harms legitimate Windows users, Goffe added. However, the Redmond, Wash.-based software maker has since clarified that its iron-clad stance towards piracy remains unchanged, and SP2 will be no exception. Press reports indicating Windows XP Service Pack 2 will install on pirated or illegal copies of Windows XP are not entirely true, said Dominic Carr, Microsoft Asia-Pacific's senior product manager for Windows. Prior to installing, SP2 will check the OS product ID (PID) against a list of known pirated PIDs. If a PID is found to be invalid, SP2 will not install, Carr told CNETAsia. Soo, which is it Billy? -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 17:26:59 up 5 days, 3:54, 8 users, load average: 0.54, 0.25, 0.09 +++ Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial city, interested in purely materialistic things. Today we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth. -- Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:10:24 -0700 rikona disseminated the following: R yes we can :-) R http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5209896.html Yep - main benefit to M$ is probably tracking down more pirates. ...who will then download MDK :-D -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 17:29:03 up 5 days, 3:56, 8 users, load average: 0.25, 0.23, 0.10 +++ It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth... -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 00:28, JoeHill wrote: On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:23:02 +0200 Ronald disseminated the following: Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! yes we can :-) http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5209896.html The register (as usual) reports with a few sensible (to my feeble mind) comments http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/11/xpsp2_pirate_blocking/ MS spells it out: pirates can, can't install WinXP Sp2 -- Paul M. _ In the beginning, man created god. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Hello JoeHill, Tuesday, May 11, 2004, 2:29:24 PM, you wrote: J On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:10:24 -0700 J rikona disseminated the following: R yes we can :-) R http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5209896.html Yep - main benefit to M$ is probably tracking down more pirates. J ...who will then download MDK :-D Hey - great idea! :-)) I've been doing my part by sharing the disks, too. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Hello JoeHill, Monday, May 10, 2004, 10:22:33 AM, you wrote: J Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has J translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its J upcoming SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users J - including those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. All the better to track them down and sue them. :-)) Perhaps they were impressed by the music industry legal crackdown. J Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those warez kiddies J patched up somewhat... Yeah, when they're all in jail. :-))) M$ will NOT do anything without gaining some advantage. Always consider how they will profit from it. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
rikona wrote: Hello JoeHill, Monday, May 10, 2004, 10:22:33 AM, you wrote: J Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has J translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its J upcoming SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users J - including those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. All the better to track them down and sue them. :-)) Perhaps they were impressed by the music industry legal crackdown. J Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those warez kiddies J patched up somewhat... Yeah, when they're all in jail. :-))) M$ will NOT do anything without gaining some advantage. Always consider how they will profit from it. We already know that MS is terrified about losing desktop marketshare to Linux.. Why does this surprise anybody?? we also know that they take a relatively soft stance to windows piracy in emerging markets.. if people in those markets gets used to the windows way then later on when they are forced to buy the software, they will.. using the above, it makes sense that if those emerging markets don't have access to MS security patches.. they will experiance first hand the massive influx of virus's and cracks that abound for windows software, which will push them to find an alternative... something microsoft really really doesn't want to happen.. It makes perfect sense that they are doing this.. I find myself wondering why they didn't do it sooner.. It also makes sense that they are trying to put a possitive spin on it.. but you can bet your bottom dollar that if they were not up to their neck in current or impending competition from OSS, that they would be taking a tougher stance on it. Two things I think are massively of benefit to the open source community: 1. Linux is open source, its the perfect tool to teach OS design in universities.. something you can't do with windows because the source isn't available in a format that would allow that.. so we have all manner of university grads comming though with an intricate knowledge of the Linux kernel, and they are the future CIO's and IT support personal... which is one reason why Linux is going mainstream so quickly. 2. Government uptake.. its happening the world over, either goverments are leveraging OSS to get better pricing from M$ or they are actively seeking an OSS alternative to prevent future lockin.. and goverments set precidents that the community (and business) generally follow. In both cases, that reduces the amount of money running into Redmond, which can only be a good thing. Also, goverment IT managers can put together their own desktop systems with only those apps and tools that the users require, not the base windows, which includes all manner of things that cause bloat and potential security holes.. so they are happier then they would otherwise be. Whats really going to start the ball rolling faster, is when places like Munich council releases their longer term costings based on their linux rollout.. if they are good. and there is a pretty good chance they will be very good.. then we can expect similiar rollouts the world over as a result. FYI, SCO's stock price has dropped below the $6 dollar price. SCO have also closed their Poland office. See: http://www.sco.pl/ for am insight to the future. -- rgds Frank Hauptle (aka Franki) For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com Free web developer resources. Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
frankieh wrote: FYI, SCO's stock price has dropped below the $6 dollar price. SCO have also closed their Poland office. See: http://www.sco.pl/ for am insight to the future. Sorry, I meant to say that SCO stock has dropped below the $5 dollar mark, not $6.. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX its currently at $4.992 -- rgds Frank Hauptle (aka Franki) For free scripts, online webmaster tools, HTML, XHTML, Perl PHP tutorials and stuff, visit: http://htmlfixit.com Free web developer resources. Please sign our petition to encourage notebook manufacturers to offer video card upgrades just like desktops. http://www.petitiononline.com/inspiron/petition.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
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Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Hello Ronald, Tuesday, May 11, 2004, 9:23:02 AM, you wrote: R -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- R Hash: SHA1 R Op maandag 10 mei 2004 19:22, schreef JoeHill: Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! R yes we can :-) R http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5209896.html Yep - main benefit to M$ is probably tracking down more pirates. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Stop the presses! Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. Link: http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those warez kiddies patched up somewhat... Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.orderinchaos.org Kernel 2.4.22-21.tmb.1mdk Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 +++ 13:19:01 up 3 days, 23:46, 8 users, load average: 0.31, 0.22, 0.14 +++ Superstition, idolatry, and hypocrisy have ample wages, but truth goes a-begging. -- Martin Luther Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS does something intelligent!
Lanman wrote: JoeHill wrote: Stop the presses! Microsoft's increasing concern over information security has translated into its decision to bite the bullet and make its upcoming SP2 (Service Pack 2) security patch available to all users - including those using pirated copies of its Windows XP software. Link: http://computertimes.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,5104,2292,00.html Maybe, just maybe, the 'Net will be somewhat safer with all those warez kiddies patched up somewhat... Well, we can dream, can't we?! LOL! This tends to support the contention that Microsoft wants to make sure that consumers keep buying/using Windows, and they don't seem to mind those running pirated copies too much either. If this service pack is as good as they say, why would they need to allow pirated copies to download it, just so they could protect valid users? Something is missing here. How can a legal copy of Windows be vulnerable to the attacks that this service pack prevents, if non-licensed (ie; pirated) copies don't have the service pack installed? Maybe when Longhorn finally comes out, they'll release a special pirate edition. Long John Silverhorn, perhaps. Sir Robin -- Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. - Voltaire Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
