Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
. There is no way you can run KDE 3.0 on 32MB of RAM - you need 128MB for even tolerable speeds, and 512MB would be necessary to give full performance. As a comparison, 32MB is barely enough to run Windows 98, and Mandrake 9.0 is not the equivalent of Win98, it's more like XP (except that it doesn't give the world access to your computer, and you don't have to sell your soul to install it). Sir Robin Oh contrare Sir Robin :) I have installed Md9 along with on a friends cyric 300Mhz 32mbRAM just fine. A little slow compared to windows but then what can you expect. Guess what, he also dual boot to Windows98 and that works perfectly. Maybe these larger chip sizes that companies keep telling us we MUST have make us forget how useful the older slower ones can still be! Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
Well, the problem then seems to be low RAM. I'll try to buy some more and see what happens. I really thought that Linux+KDE wasn't so heavy, memory demanding. But as someone said, for low-end machines, text mode is the solution, and KDE equals to XP resource-wise. But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. I would like to thank all that replied to my question, i really got surprised to get that much replies! Thanks. Rodolfo Lima. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
* Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank disk. Now install Office XP. Now imagine you have several CD's of commercial, shareware, and freeware to install, one-by-one. Most Windows users have never installed Windows. They may have the few little applications, Solitaire, Notepad, etc., that come with Windows, and maybe they go through the installation of MS Office. Then maybe they install two or three commercial applications, including things like Quicken or QuickBooks. Just those few things are going to take the better part of an hour, on a fairly fast machine ... much longer on a slower machine. Most people who install Mandrake 9 are installing HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of programs ... an entire computing system, not just an operating system. Not zero or one, but maybe two or three office suites, several email clients, lots of CHOICES, all for a very low price. On a fast machine ALL that can be done in less than an hour. Let me see anyone try it on Win XP. I bet it would take longer, and cost several thousand dollars in license fees ;-) -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
On Wednesday 26 February 2003 08:46 am, Jan Wilson wrote: * Rodolfo Lima [EMAIL PROTECTED] [030226 08:24]: But the installation really need to last 4 hours? In text mode? It certainly doesn't do a mere copy from cd, maybe compile some things, I think. OK, try installing Win XP on a blank disk. Now install Office XP. Now imagine you have several CD's of commercial, shareware, and freeware to install, one-by-one. Most Windows users have never installed Windows. They may have the few little applications, Solitaire, Notepad, etc., that come with Windows, and maybe they go through the installation of MS Office. Then maybe they install two or three commercial applications, including things like Quicken or QuickBooks. Just those few things are going to take the better part of an hour, on a fairly fast machine ... much longer on a slower machine. Most people who install Mandrake 9 are installing HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of programs ... an entire computing system, not just an operating system. Not zero or one, but maybe two or three office suites, several email clients, lots of CHOICES, all for a very low price. On a fast machine ALL that can be done in less than an hour. Let me see anyone try it on Win XP. I bet it would take longer, and cost several thousand dollars in license fees ;-) My experience ended with WIN98 sec addition. Just the MS98 install alone took longer than the Mandrake 8.0 complete. After the MS98 install it was another Hour and a half installing Office 98 and all the peripheral drivers and tax software. I have seen them install XP using Ghost at work on machines about as fast as mine here at home and Jan is correct it is no faster than a complete ML9.0 install. Linux is markedly faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lanThe problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
Rodolfo Lima wrote: Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lan The problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima. You need a lot more RAM or a much lighter window manager (IceWM, Fluxbox ... take your pick). There is no way you can run KDE 3.0 on 32MB of RAM - you need 128MB for even tolerable speeds, and 512MB would be necessary to give full performance. As a comparison, 32MB is barely enough to run Windows 98, and Mandrake 9.0 is not the equivalent of Win98, it's more like XP (except that it doesn't give the world access to your computer, and you don't have to sell your soul to install it). On the bright side, processor speed is not so important in Linux. My rather old computer with a Pentium II, 266MHz CPU has been running at tolerable speed under Mandrake and KDE since I bumped up the RAM to 128MB. Sir Robin -- The raisins may be the best part of a cake, but that doesn't mean that a bag of raisins is better than a cake. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:02 pm, Rodolfo Lima wrote: What might be happening? The computer has insufficient horsepower to do what you are trying to do. Although I have dual Pentium Pro 200MHz with 160MB RAM that makes a great home server, but a desktop it is not. - -- Greg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+XCirGu5uuMFlL5MRAtAPAJ9AE7j09r7QVukM4LElVkMVMimNrQCdF0zr Ujan2og1PBErTdBgCJyKo0A= =YDhD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 20:28, robin wrote: Rodolfo Lima wrote: Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lan The problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima. You need a lot more RAM or a much lighter window manager (IceWM, Fluxbox ... take your pick). There is no way you can run KDE 3.0 on 32MB of RAM - you need 128MB for even tolerable speeds, and 512MB would be necessary). Large Snip I must beg to dissagree because of first hand experance. Right now I am running Mandrake 9.0 on a IBM thinkpad 266 MHZ and 64 MB of ram and often use KDE 3.0 and the speeds are tolorable. Slower than win 98 on the same machine but not all that much slower. I tried 9.0 on a Toshiba Tecra laptop with a 133 Mhz P1 and 80 mb of ram it was MUCH slower. I would guess about 20% or less the speed of the 266 mhz thinkpad even though the Toshiba had more ram. The installation on the toshiba also took AT LEAST 2 and probably 3 times longer than on the thinkpad. All that I can assume is that there was something going on with the hardware on the toshiba useing up lots of memory and or other resorces I never did figure out what the problem was the Toshiba was too much of a worn out piece of crap to invest much time and effort in But I can say due to some kind of hardware difference the IBM with only 64 mb of ram runs at a reasonable speed witn ML 9.0 and KDE 3.0 where as the toshiba with 80 MB was all but unuseable with LOTS of crashes. It sounds to me like Rodolfo may be having a similar problem however I will admit that 32 MB of ram is a bare minimum. As far as 32 MB being barley enough for Windoze 98 i have seen win 98 running on 3 machines with only 16 MB of RAM. It is VERY slow but I have seen people run for years like that at least for basic simple tasks. BTW I did just receive another 128 MB of Ram and will be installing it in the IBM in the next day or so. I am thinking about doing some sort if benchmark test to see how big a differance 3 times the memory makes Marc -- Powered by Mandrake Linux 9.0 and Kmail. This is a 100%Windows and microsoft free computer For a superior OS, virus and crash resistant go to http://www.mandrake.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 05:02 pm, Rodolfo Lima wrote: Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lan The problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima. That is a very marginal machine for such an advanced OS. Try using Mandrake 7.2 for real speed or add memory, lots of it. You would want at least 128Mb for a P200 to put out acceptable speed. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
I would agree with the other respondents... you're way underpowered on RAM if you want a useable machine, especially with KDE. I have a Pentium 200 MMX with 64 MB of RAM. My installation took just about 1 hour- 4 times better than yours with only twice the RAM. But I'm not looking for performance, either... I was just looking for a machine that would work so I could learn Linux and see what's what. The research I did beforehand said that Mandrake 9.0 was the only distro that would run in graphics mode with only 64 MB of RAM- and I'm running Gnome, not KDE. Red Hat needed 128 MB in graphics mode. Not sure how- but maybe you could run in text-only mode and bag the graphics? Set up a little server (HTTP, FTP, mail, etc.) and use telnet or SSH to get in. A Pentium-II or Pentium-III with 128 or 256 MB of RAM should not be THAT expensive at this point, and would give you a half way decent workstation... just a thought. Regards,Marlo MontanaroCNERegistered Linux User 303184"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:Those who understand binary, and those who don't." -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Rodolfo LimaSent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 9:03 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200 Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lanThe problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
On Tuesday 25 de February 2003 23:02, Rodolfo Lima wrote: Hey all, i'm trying to install Mandrake 9 in a Pentium 200Mhz, 32Mb of RAM and a 4Gb HD connected to a lan The problem is that the whole installation took 4h to complete. It seemed that everything as a whole was slow, even the menu drawing (the installation was in text/expert mode). And afterwards, KDE launching speed was unusable, as any other program launch. What might be happening? Do the kernel have to be tweaked in some way? Any incompatibilities? Thanks in advance, Rodolfo Lima. I have installed Mandrake 9 on a Pentium 233 with 32 MB RAM with no problems. _BUT_ you'll have to choose light and small software for everything. -Fluxbox, IceWM, or other lightweight window manager. (Fluxbox loads in less than 3 seconds and works with no problems.) -Sylpheed for e-mail and news (Same. Loads in 2 seconds.) - Phoenix (or Opera) for the web. (About 5 seconds loading time for Opera, which is also more responsive than Phoenix) - Gaim for IM (Same as all. 2 to 3 secs.) -AbiWord and GNUmeric for text and spreadsheets. (about 5 to 10 seconds loading time, pretty responsive.) -Xmms for audio and MPlayer for video (as usual) (these two are just geat. MPlayer's loading time can be near-zero in certain circumstances.) With those, i had a really usable machine and it was actually a much better performer than Windows, as it culd have a lot of webpages open in Opera, Xmms playing some MP3s, Sylpheed open, and Gaim, all at the same time. On Windows 98, even trying to give it that much load would bring it to it's knees. Unfortunately the process which would take up the most RAM is the one you cannot replace -- the X server. (resident, taking up 12MB constantly) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200
I have a Pentium 200 MMX with 64 MB of RAM. My installation took just about 1 hour- 4 times better than yours with only twice the RAM. But I'm not I used to run a Pentium 100 with (at first) 16 megs of RAM, but that was back in 1996. Resource demands were less then. As I recall, Afterstep worked well as a lightweight and usable window manager. There are other choices as well. After I upgraded, in a series of steps, to 96 megs, kde was pretty tolerable, but some applications such as kmail were extremely slow in loading, window drawing, and so on. I also used a P-100 at work at that time (mid 2000) running Windows 98, 64 megs RAM. It was acceptable provided you don't try doing very much with it. In other words, 64 megs were enough to do email and play Solitaire in. But trying Excel and largish spreadsheets - forget it. I would sit idle at work for nearly 2 hours at a time watching that thing swap, and oftentime I would haev to leave it up at night to return in the morning to see it complete. I finally got them to give me a faster machine, but still it was unusable at times due to the excessive HD activity. And unlike Linux, when you swap on Windows, you can't do anything else. Not sure how- but maybe you could run in text-only mode and bag the graphics? Set up a little server (HTTP, FTP, mail, etc.) and use telnet or A good idea - 32 megs of RAM is more than enough for text/console work and you can do a lot with that, thanks to virtual consoles and so forth. If graphics are a needed feature, try a lightweight window manager, since KDE needs a boatload of RAM to do its thing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
