RE: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
Title: RE: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor I had 7.2, 8.x and 9.x all running at one time or another on a mini ITX with 1.0Ghz Celeron. All installed without much difficulty. I agree with the below observation that they aren't all that good at graphics, but they're more that up to OGG/MP3 etc. BTW, anyone got a lead on a miniITX with 12V porew input, or a 12V power supply for one? I've got a desire to build a car-toy, and a house-wide UPS with 12V output (saves on the losses to convert up to 110 just to convert back down) --Matthew -Original Message- From: Derek Jennings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 12:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:08:40 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday June 7 2003 02:39 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Has anyone installed Mandrake on a mini ITX form factor board? I'm thinking the 800 Mhz with a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice.(and I would be able to play any format wav Mp3 Ogg Vorbis etc. I don't (wouldn't) have one. The VIA-Cyrix processors report themselves as i686. They're not, they're not even fully i586, retaining some i486 only capabilities. Mandrake i586 installs on these systems can be a problem, as when a i686 cpu is reported, the install will try to use /lib/i686/ libraries for a little more optimization. The VIA C3 cpu's won't work with i686, and barely with i586. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/90errata.php3#viac3 I believe 9.1 is fixed to cope with VIA C3's. There's quite a bit of info on the Web about C3's. One bit is the 800mhz C3 performs at about 400mhz levels due to dated design and inadequate L caches. It's really only the old Cyrix cpu with VIA's name tacked on. You might wanna do a lot more checking before goin for one of these systems, specially for multimedia use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Mandrake 9.1 installs perfectly on Via C3's even with i686 libraries Mandrake 9.0 has to be tweaked. The latest generation of C3 with the 'Nemenhiah' core is fully compliant with i686. Where the performance of ITX boards falls down is in the performance of the graphics chips set used on them. The Linux drivers 'aint great. 2D is fine. 3D you can forget about. Where they are good, is in general computing environments where raw power is not necessary, and low power/noise/small form factor is required. Several ITX mobos also come with raw 12V DC input making them perfect for mounting in a car which I believe is what the original poster wanted to do. derek
RE: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
At 10:00 AM 6/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: I had 7.2, 8.x and 9.x all running at one time or another on a mini ITX with 1.0Ghz Celeron. All installed without much difficulty. I agree with the below observation that they aren't all that good at graphics, but they're more that up to OGG/MP3 etc. BTW, anyone got a lead on a miniITX with 12V porew input, or a 12V power supply for one? I've got a desire to build a car-toy, and a house-wide UPS with 12V output (saves on the losses to convert up to 110 just to convert back down) --Matthew Shuttle computers. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 22:34, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:33, JoeHill wrote: On 07 Jun 2003 12:39:25 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice. I would be most concerned about the bumps and vibrations inherant in driving and their effect on the HD. I would check into HD's that are built to be moved around, but even those, one good shock and yer toast, AFAIK. -- Possibly use flash memory as a HDD (say 1GB Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or boot knoppix from a CD and play your music from CD too. No need for a HDD at all then. That still gives you about 12 CD's worth of audio at a time. cheers Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
On Saturday June 7 2003 02:39 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Has anyone installed Mandrake on a mini ITX form factor board? I'm thinking the 800 Mhz with a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice.(and I would be able to play any format wav Mp3 Ogg Vorbis etc. I don't (wouldn't) have one. The VIA-Cyrix processors report themselves as i686. They're not, they're not even fully i586, retaining some i486 only capabilities. Mandrake i586 installs on these systems can be a problem, as when a i686 cpu is reported, the install will try to use /lib/i686/ libraries for a little more optimization. The VIA C3 cpu's won't work with i686, and barely with i586. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/90errata.php3#viac3 I believe 9.1 is fixed to cope with VIA C3's. There's quite a bit of info on the Web about C3's. One bit is the 800mhz C3 performs at about 400mhz levels due to dated design and inadequate L caches. It's really only the old Cyrix cpu with VIA's name tacked on. You might wanna do a lot more checking before goin for one of these systems, specially for multimedia use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:08:40 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday June 7 2003 02:39 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Has anyone installed Mandrake on a mini ITX form factor board? I'm thinking the 800 Mhz with a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice.(and I would be able to play any format wav Mp3 Ogg Vorbis etc. I don't (wouldn't) have one. The VIA-Cyrix processors report themselves as i686. They're not, they're not even fully i586, retaining some i486 only capabilities. Mandrake i586 installs on these systems can be a problem, as when a i686 cpu is reported, the install will try to use /lib/i686/ libraries for a little more optimization. The VIA C3 cpu's won't work with i686, and barely with i586. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/90errata.php3#viac3 I believe 9.1 is fixed to cope with VIA C3's. There's quite a bit of info on the Web about C3's. One bit is the 800mhz C3 performs at about 400mhz levels due to dated design and inadequate L caches. It's really only the old Cyrix cpu with VIA's name tacked on. You might wanna do a lot more checking before goin for one of these systems, specially for multimedia use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Mandrake 9.1 installs perfectly on Via C3's even with i686 libraries Mandrake 9.0 has to be tweaked. The latest generation of C3 with the 'Nemenhiah' core is fully compliant with i686. Where the performance of ITX boards falls down is in the performance of the graphics chips set used on them. The Linux drivers 'aint great. 2D is fine. 3D you can forget about. Where they are good, is in general computing environments where raw power is not necessary, and low power/noise/small form factor is required. Several ITX mobos also come with raw 12V DC input making them perfect for mounting in a car which I believe is what the original poster wanted to do. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Mini ITX form factor
-- Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone installed Mandrake on a mini ITX form factor board? I'm thinking the 800 Mhz with a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice.(and I would be able to play any format wav Mp3 Ogg Vorbis etc. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mini ITX form factor
On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:33, JoeHill wrote: On 07 Jun 2003 12:39:25 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: a 30 GB slim disk would fit in the radio slot on my Jeep real nice. I would be most concerned about the bumps and vibrations inherant in driving and their effect on the HD. I would check into HD's that are built to be moved around, but even those, one good shock and yer toast, AFAIK. -- Possibly use flash memory as a HDD (say 1GB Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
