Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long... - SOLVED.
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 03:02, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Damian Gatabria wrote: On Tuesday 17 June 2003 01:33, eric huff wrote: So, in the end, it did have something to do with networking... -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT Sorry if i missed it: where does this go? That's an iptables rule (a firewall rule). It goes in whatever file you use to save your iptables rules, in my case /etc/iptables-save What does that rule mean? simple. If network traffic is coming from localhost, going to localhost (like a local app connecting to a local server) and the protocol used is TCP, then it must be allowed. Apparently OO tries to connect to a local server of some sort, and if the connection attempt is blocked, then it does not continue loading until a timeout is reached... Damian How long does it take to load with that rule in place? 30 seconds. 16 seconds on subsequent launches. 7 seconds with quickstarter loaded. In a desperate move, i tried to solve this problem by downloading OO's src.rpm and recompiling... with i686 optimisations.. man that took long! about 32 hours to compile... The upside is that now it seems a little bit faster than before. :o) Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long... - SOLVED.
Damian Gatabria wrote: On Tuesday 17 June 2003 01:33, eric huff wrote: So, in the end, it did have something to do with networking... -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT Sorry if i missed it: where does this go? That's an iptables rule (a firewall rule). It goes in whatever file you use to save your iptables rules, in my case /etc/iptables-save What does that rule mean? simple. If network traffic is coming from localhost, going to localhost (like a local app connecting to a local server) and the protocol used is TCP, then it must be allowed. Apparently OO tries to connect to a local server of some sort, and if the connection attempt is blocked, then it does not continue loading until a timeout is reached... Damian How long does it take to load with that rule in place? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
At 09:21 AM 6/15/03, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Time to load OpenOffice from point of click to actual start of program. It loads all it's necessary libraries at that time, unlike MS Office that has DLL's loaded at the actual system bootup for Windows (whatever version); that's how MS Office appears to load so fast - it's because most of it's engine is already in system memory prior to even launching the application. That's how Microsoft makes use of slight of hand to make things appear faster - same with IE. OOo uses the same slight of hand when installed on a Windows machine. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long... - SOLVED.
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 01:33, eric huff wrote: So, in the end, it did have something to do with networking... -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT Sorry if i missed it: where does this go? That's an iptables rule (a firewall rule). It goes in whatever file you use to save your iptables rules, in my case /etc/iptables-save What does that rule mean? simple. If network traffic is coming from localhost, going to localhost (like a local app connecting to a local server) and the protocol used is TCP, then it must be allowed. Apparently OO tries to connect to a local server of some sort, and if the connection attempt is blocked, then it does not continue loading until a timeout is reached... Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[OT] Black box (was: Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...)
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:13:21 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: But Blackbox?! Not even nice pixmaps to play with? Bah! == I just make my own. Talk about customization |8^) Best, Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:08, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. There's a utility for Gnome/KDE called, er, Oooq or something similar - I remember Sir Robin mentioning it - I downloaded it and installed it, but after the first time, I didn't want to use it anymore. It preloads Oo and gives you quick start options...lesseee...what's it called... AH - oooqs-1.0-0.rc3.2mdk.586.rpm ...got it offa one of the contrib mirrors...reckon it mighta been Planetmirror... It's worth having if you're using 1.0 and have the spare RAM. 1.1 Beta seems to be quicker. From the command line soffice on its own opens the program without a document (this may change back to the 1.0 default of opening with a blank document). It takes 12 seconds on my home machine (PII 366MHz, 224MB RAM). soffice --quickstart opens with a document based on the default template, which as I have it set up is the same thing as soffice -n /user/templates/nalan.stw It takes 17 seconds. This is noticably faster than 1.0 without quickstart (which I don't use on my home machine, since I need all the RAM I can get for serious stuff like eye-candy). On my office machine (PIII 1GHz, 256MB RAM), it opens in about the same time as 1.0 with Quickstart enabled. Moral: get 1.1. It's still at Beta2, but the Linux version seems pretty stable. Most of the problems I've seen on the users list are about Windows builds (no surprise there). Sir Robin -- Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long... - SOLVED.
It's worth having if you're using 1.0 and have the spare RAM. 1.1 Beta seems to be quicker. From the command line soffice on its own opens the program without a document (this may change back to the 1.0 default of opening with a blank document). It takes 12 seconds on my home machine (PII 366MHz, 224MB RAM). soffice --quickstart opens with a document based on the default template, which as I have it set up is the same thing as soffice -n /user/templates/nalan.stw It takes 17 seconds. This is noticably faster than 1.0 without quickstart (which I don't use on my home machine, since I need all the RAM I can get for serious stuff like eye-candy). On my office machine (PIII 1GHz, 256MB RAM), it opens in about the same time as 1.0 with Quickstart enabled. Moral: get 1.1. It's still at Beta2, but the Linux version seems pretty stable. Most of the problems I've seen on the users list are about Windows builds (no surprise there). Sir Robin So, in the end, it did have something to do with networking... -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT and all was solved. Thanks Greg for the hint. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long... - SOLVED.
So, in the end, it did have something to do with networking... -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -j ACCEPT Sorry if i missed it: where does this go? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
I have PIII 933 Mhz 650MB , it takes about 22 sec. Mandrake 9.1 , OO 1.0.2 I think is very slow... anyone cas post a better time? I 15 2003 07:33, / Greg Meyer : On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:10 am, Damian Gatabria wrote: In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes. Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either. This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1.. Is anything else opening really slow? Have there been any changes to your network setup? If the answer to both questions is yes, then the machine might be having trouble resolving itself. Check your /etc/hosts file and /etc/resolv.conf -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:32, manolis wrote: I have PIII 933 Mhz 650MB , it takes about 22 sec. Mandrake 9.1 , OO 1.0.2 I think is very slow... anyone cas post a better time? Interesting: Athlon 1200, 256Mb RAM and it takes exactly 22 seconds also. Also MDK 9.1 and OO 1.0.2. Paul -- Modern art is what happens when painters stop looking at girls and persuade themselves that they have a better idea. -John Ciardi http://nlpagan.net - Linux Mandrake - Ximian Evolution Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
22sec for the first time to load. -if you close it and the load it again about 12 sec. -if you leave it open and open another file about 5-6 sec. 15 2003 10:49, / Paul : On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:32, manolis wrote: I have PIII 933 Mhz 650MB , it takes about 22 sec. Mandrake 9.1 , OO 1.0.2 I think is very slow... anyone cas post a better time? Interesting: Athlon 1200, 256Mb RAM and it takes exactly 22 seconds also. Also MDK 9.1 and OO 1.0.2. Paul -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:20:57 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: 22sec for the first time to load. -if you close it and the load it again about 12 sec. -if you leave it open and open another file about 5-6 sec. 19 seconds for initial launch on my Athlon Thunderbird 750 w/ 256 mb RAM. relaunch took 10 seconds and files open in under 3 seconds shrug Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
Strange results for the initial launch Why it take so time to load? 15 2003 14:08, / Michael Scottaline : On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:20:57 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: 22sec for the first time to load. -if you close it and the load it again about 12 sec. -if you leave it open and open another file about 5-6 sec. 19 seconds for initial launch on my Athlon Thunderbird 750 w/ 256 mb RAM. relaunch took 10 seconds and files open in under 3 seconds shrug Mike -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 12:48 pm, manolis wrote: Strange results for the initial launch Why it take so time to load? Because it has as much to load as microsoft office, but instead of part-loading at boot, as M$O does, it loads at first use. After that it doesn't need to load the whole thing every time. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On 15 Jun 2003, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 00:14, Wm. G. Urquhart wrote: On 15 Jun 2003, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 17:49, Paul wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:32, manolis wrote: I have PIII 933 Mhz 650MB , it takes about 22 sec. Mandrake 9.1 , OO 1.0.2 I think is very slow... anyone cas post a better time? Interesting: Athlon 1200, 256Mb RAM and it takes exactly 22 seconds also. Also MDK 9.1 and OO 1.0.2. Paul Mine's about 20 seconds on a 1.2ghz Celery w/768mb RAM... I've just subscribed to this list can I ask what we're measuring here, if it's boot time then count yourselves lucky. :-) Time to load OpenOffice from point of click to actual start of program. It loads all it's necessary libraries at that time, unlike MS Office that has DLL's loaded at the actual system bootup for Windows (whatever version); that's how MS Office appears to load so fast - it's because most of it's engine is already in system memory prior to even launching the application. That's how Microsoft makes use of slight of hand to make things appear faster - same with IE. Hi Thanks for the quick reply. I've just tested my OpenOffice (Using Write) and it load in 14 seconds this is on a Dual Processor 200Mhz (yes! 200Mhz) running 9.1 with 1Gb RAM a 56Gb SCSI RAIDed disk subsystem, and a TNT2 M64 32MB Video. The system is in fact a DELL 6100/200 This is quite acceptable to me or have I missed something? -- William Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 02:32, manolis wrote: I have PIII 933 Mhz 650MB , it takes about 22 sec. Mandrake 9.1 , OO 1.0.2 I think is very slow... anyone cas post a better time? Not to start a my computer is better than your computer war, but, Dell Latitude C640 P4 (on battery @ 1.2GHz) 512Mb - Mandrake 9.0 - Open Office 1.0.1 Starts in 4 seconds. 15 2003 07:33, / Greg Meyer : On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:10 am, Damian Gatabria wrote: In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes. Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either. This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1.. Is anything else opening really slow? Have there been any changes to your network setup? If the answer to both questions is yes, then the machine might be having trouble resolving itself. Check your /etc/hosts file and /etc/resolv.conf -- Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
Time to load OpenOffice from point of click to actual start of program. It loads all it's necessary libraries at that time, unlike MS Office that has DLL's loaded at the actual system bootup for Windows (whatever version); that's how MS Office appears to load so fast - it's because most of it's engine is already in system memory prior to even launching the application. That's how Microsoft makes use of slight of hand to make things appear faster - same with IE. My opinion is that I don't think this is cheating, it's a good idea to pre-launch many usable parts of libraries in boot time in windows. I don't close the system many times, so as many things are in the memory cache as better it is -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On 15 Jun 2003 04:46:04 -0500 Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Dell Latitude C640 P4 (on battery @ 1.2GHz) 512Mb - Mandrake 9.0 - Open Office 1.0.1 Starts in 4 seconds. Holy sweet Jesus...what desktop are you using tho, in Gnome I believe it preloads OO at startup, therefore a speed advantage. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 11:41:31 up 12:21, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance 15 2003 18:42, / JoeHill : On 15 Jun 2003 04:46:04 -0500 Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Dell Latitude C640 P4 (on battery @ 1.2GHz) 512Mb - Mandrake 9.0 - Open Office 1.0.1 Starts in 4 seconds. Holy sweet Jesus...what desktop are you using tho, in Gnome I believe it preloads OO at startup, therefore a speed advantage. -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 12:06:49 up 12:46, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.03, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. OT But what GUI do you use if you don't use KDE or Gnome since you're using a GUI mail client? I thought that all that was available. -- William. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:42, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 04:46:04 -0500 Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Dell Latitude C640 P4 (on battery @ 1.2GHz) 512Mb - Mandrake 9.0 - Open Office 1.0.1 Starts in 4 seconds. Holy sweet Jesus...what desktop are you using tho, in Gnome I believe it preloads OO at startup, therefore a speed advantage. Gnome. But I have to amend my original posting.. After I read the other postings. I restarted the laptop and tried it again. First load 14 seconds. Second and subsequent loads 4 seconds. When I posted the first time, I had used OO earlier in the day.. Sorry for the misleading info... -- If it's not on fire, it's a software problem. Chuck Stuettgen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cfs-tech.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 June 2003 11:15 am, manolis wrote: Time to load OpenOffice from point of click to actual start of program. It loads all it's necessary libraries at that time, unlike MS Office that has DLL's loaded at the actual system bootup for Windows (whatever version); that's how MS Office appears to load so fast - it's because most of it's engine is already in system memory prior to even launching the application. That's how Microsoft makes use of slight of hand to make things appear faster - same with IE. My opinion is that I don't think this is cheating, it's a good idea to pre-launch many usable parts of libraries in boot time in windows. I don't close the system many times, so as many things are in the memory cache as better it is It's only cheating if you are doing a comparison and don't tell that you are doing this, which is what MS likes to do. The fairest way to compare is to try launching OO.o with the quickstarter utility that is available, which does the same thing for OO.o that Windows does for Office. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:29:21 + (UTC) Wm. G. Urquhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OT But what GUI do you use if you don't use KDE or Gnome since you're using a GUI mail client? Pekwm! The best! Beats Fluxbox, Blackbox, beats em all by a country mile! Faaast! You can see some screens on my homepage (sig). -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 12:45:30 up 13:25, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 June 2003 01:33, Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:10 am, Damian Gatabria wrote: In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes. Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either. This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1.. Is anything else opening really slow? No. Have there been any changes to your network setup? Yes, but these OO problems predate my networking changes (which included a change in my hostname). [EMAIL PROTECTED] videos]# cat /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 200.51.254.238 nameserver 200.51.254.251 [EMAIL PROTECTED] videos]$ cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.0.1 gatabria.no-ip.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] videos]$ ping gatabria.no-ip.com PING gatabria.no-ip.com (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.086 ms 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.086 ms 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.081 ms --- gatabria.no-ip.com ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2003ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.081/0.084/0.086/0.007 ms Just in case, here are my current iptables rules .. (does OO need to connect to something using tcp? ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] videos]# cat /etc/iptables-save # Generated by iptables-save v1.2.7a on Mon May 26 09:20:47 2003 *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [16572:8416969] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [18652:6209601] -A INPUT -s 127.0.0.1 -d 127.0.0.1 -p tcp -m multiport --dports http,smtp -j ACCEPT -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports netbios-ns,netbios-dgm,netbios-ssn,ftp,ircd,socks,webcache,http,mysql,1337,31337,1243,telnet,smtp,587 -j DROP -A INPUT -p udp -m multiport --dports netbios-ns,netbios-dgm,netbios-ssn,ftp,ircd,socks,webcache,http,mysql,1337,31337,1243,telnet,smtp,587 -j LOG -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports x11,ipp -j DROP -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dports x11,ipp -j LOG -A INPUT -p udp -m multiport --dports 6000,ipp -j DROP -A INPUT -p udp -m multiport --dports 6000,ipp -j LOG COMMIT # Completed on Mon May 26 09:20:47 2003 Thanks. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
It's only cheating if you are doing a comparison and don't tell that you are doing this, which is what MS likes to do. LOL good point! by the way where I can find the quickstarter you mentioned? ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enter the fields of battle at ... http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=795528 ___ There are 10 types of humans. Those who understand computers, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:48:09 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:29:21 + (UTC) Wm. G. Urquhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OT But what GUI do you use if you don't use KDE or Gnome since you're using a GUI mail client? Pekwm! The best! Beats Fluxbox, Blackbox, beats em all by a country mile! Faaast! Yes, it's quite fast [tried it for a couple of days...]. But I don't think it beats ratpoison by a country mile in terms of speed. Not certain it beats it at all, in that department. Ratpoison has a smaller foot print, BTW. To each. ;o) Best, Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 4:15 pm, manolis wrote: My opinion is that I don't think this is cheating, it's a good idea to pre-launch many usable parts of libraries in boot time in windows. I don't close the system many times, so as many things are in the memory cache as better it is But you see I wouldn't thank you for trading - you get fast start up of office, I get slow boot. I know that booting is not as often as in the other os, but still - and you do only have to do it once. You can even have it open all the time on another desktop if you like it so much g Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:05:19 -0400 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: But I don't think it beats ratpoison by a country mile in terms of speed. Not certain it beats it at all, in that department. Ratpoison has a smaller foot print, BTW. To each. ;o) Well, ok, Ratpoison or Screen will kill anybody except text mode...but I do like a *little* eye candy! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:12:09 up 16:52, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 01:13, Wm. G. Urquhart wrote: Hi Thanks for the quick reply. I've just tested my OpenOffice (Using Write) and it load in 14 seconds this is on a Dual Processor 200Mhz (yes! 200Mhz) running 9.1 with 1Gb RAM a 56Gb SCSI RAIDed disk subsystem, and a TNT2 M64 32MB Video. The system is in fact a DELL 6100/200 This is quite acceptable to me or have I missed something? Um, I think you've got us all beat mate. Having a dual-processor is a major help in this matter - and in having SCSI's, well, that's a big'un as well (IDE is such a poor performer but marketing makes the world go round!) Now if I could get a Tyan mobo with dual Athlon XP 3200's, 1gb of RAM and four SCSI's, I'd tend to bet my load time for OO would be a tad bit faster... -- Mon Jun 16 07:15:00 EST 2003 07:15:00 up 2 days, 14:29, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.18, 0.17 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Bershere's Formula for Failure: There are only two kinds of people who fail: those who listen to nobody... and those who listen to everybody. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:08, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. There's a utility for Gnome/KDE called, er, Oooq or something similar - I remember Sir Robin mentioning it - I downloaded it and installed it, but after the first time, I didn't want to use it anymore. It preloads Oo and gives you quick start options...lesseee...what's it called... AH - oooqs-1.0-0.rc3.2mdk.586.rpm ...got it offa one of the contrib mirrors...reckon it mighta been Planetmirror... -- Mon Jun 16 07:25:00 EST 2003 07:25:00 up 2 days, 14:39, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.20, 0.19 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * You won't skid if you stay in a rut. -- Frank Hubbard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:48, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:29:21 + (UTC) Wm. G. Urquhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OT But what GUI do you use if you don't use KDE or Gnome since you're using a GUI mail client? Pekwm! The best! Beats Fluxbox, Blackbox, beats em all by a country mile! Faaast! You can see some screens on my homepage (sig). As you can see, Joe is lacking in today's medication. XFCE4, although still in beta, is by far the prettiest, fastest window manager (XFCE2 and XFCE3 have been lauded as faster contenders in the past for it's simplicity and speed as well). Joe seems to hallucinate quite often and his poor mind thinks that PekWM is so much better than anything else. He's misled, slightly warped, and two of his three remaining brain cells are momentarily dysfunctional. XFCE4 is now ranking as one of the fastest, leanest wm's yet with heaps of wonderful functionality and practicality. (g) -- Mon Jun 16 07:40:00 EST 2003 07:40:00 up 2 days, 14:54, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.07 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * fortune: not found Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 June 2003 18:28, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:08, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:02:44 +0300 manolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: how can I preload it ? I have mandrake 9.1 and I am using OO very often... thanks in advance Sorry, I don't go within 6 miles of Gnome or KDE. But if you check on the OO site, there is an FAQ which I *believe* explains this. If not, Google: openoffice + open faster. There's a utility for Gnome/KDE called, er, Oooq or something similar - I remember Sir Robin mentioning it - I downloaded it and installed it, but after the first time, I didn't want to use it anymore. It preloads Oo and gives you quick start options...lesseee...what's it called... AH - oooqs-1.0-0.rc3.2mdk.586.rpm ...got it offa one of the contrib mirrors...reckon it mighta been Planetmirror... ... Looks like i'm going to have to join OO.o's forums/mailing lists and try to get some more useful answers there... Thanks Greg for trying to help. See ya. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On 16 Jun 2003 09:43:18 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Picky picky picky. I shouldn't say really, I have yet to try XFCE4. I'm just not a big fan of icons and taskbars. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 20:55:47 up 21:35, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.00, 0.09 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:56:33 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Jun 2003 09:43:18 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Picky picky picky. I shouldn't say really, I have yet to try XFCE4. I'm just not a big fan of icons and taskbars. I like a taskbar but I do not really want a drawable desktop. Even when they go final with their new versions I may end up reverting to xfce-3.8.16 and enlightenment-0.16.5 Charles -- Renning's Maxim: Man is the highest animal. Man does the classifying. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.1mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:13:16 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 16:05:19 -0400 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: But I don't think it beats ratpoison by a country mile in terms of speed. Not certain it beats it at all, in that department. Ratpoison has a smaller foot print, BTW. To each. ;o) Well, ok, Ratpoison or Screen will kill anybody except text mode...but I do like a *little* eye candy! = Good point, Joe. I have to admit that RP has no eyecandy. Sort of a Bauhaus approach: form follows function hehe. I think when I'm in the mood for eyecandy again I'll go back to the most recent Blackbox which I had used for about a year, haven't used for the past year. Also considering giving xfce 4.x a spin. I used to use 3.8.x. Don't ya just LOVE having *choice*! Long Live Linux!! Best, Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On 16 Jun 2003 07:46:43 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 02:48, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:29:21 + (UTC) Wm. G. Urquhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OT But what GUI do you use if you don't use KDE or Gnome since you're using a GUI mail client? Pekwm! The best! Beats Fluxbox, Blackbox, beats em all by a country mile! Faaast! You can see some screens on my homepage (sig). As you can see, Joe is lacking in today's medication. XFCE4, although still in beta, is by far the prettiest, fastest window manager (XFCE2 and XFCE3 have been lauded as faster contenders in the past for it's simplicity and speed as well). Joe seems to hallucinate quite often and his poor mind thinks that PekWM is so much better than anything else. He's misled, slightly warped, and two of his three remaining brain cells are momentarily dysfunctional. XFCE4 is now ranking as one of the fastest, leanest wm's yet with heaps of wonderful functionality and practicality. (g) = `course, we could all just use emacs as our OS/wm and be done with it, no? ;) Best, Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:56:33 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: On 16 Jun 2003 09:43:18 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Picky picky picky. I shouldn't say really, I have yet to try XFCE4. I'm just not a big fan of icons and taskbars. = Last time I tried xfce (v. 3.8.x), it didn't suport icons; only a taskbar w/ multiple menues. does v. 4.x support desktop icons Just curious. Mike -- The man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life --Muhammad Ali Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:06:28 -0400 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: `course, we could all just use emacs as our OS/wm and be done with it, no? ;) Time for a Homer quote: Donuts...is there *anything* they can't do...? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 23:09:01 up 23:48, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:04:25 -0400 Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Don't ya just LOVE having *choice*! Long Live Linux!! That is why I fall in love every day that I use it. I remember a quote from long ago (man is this thread hijacked): When using Windows, 30 minutes feels like 4 hours. When using Linux, 4 hours feels like 30 minutes. But Blackbox?! Not even nice pixmaps to play with? Bah! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 23:10:39 up 23:50, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 June 2003 05:20 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 01:13, Wm. G. Urquhart wrote: Hi Thanks for the quick reply. I've just tested my OpenOffice (Using Write) and it load in 14 seconds this is on a Dual Processor 200Mhz (yes! 200Mhz) running 9.1 with 1Gb RAM a 56Gb SCSI RAIDed disk subsystem, and a TNT2 M64 32MB Video. The system is in fact a DELL 6100/200 This is quite acceptable to me or have I missed something? Um, I think you've got us all beat mate. Having a dual-processor is a major help in this matter - and in having SCSI's, well, that's a big'un as well (IDE is such a poor performer but marketing makes the world go round!) Now if I could get a Tyan mobo with dual Athlon XP 3200's, 1gb of RAM and four SCSI's, I'd tend to bet my load time for OO would be a tad bit faster... With only one little old Athlon XP 2500, basic workstation 9.1 installation, non-optimized Maxtor 7200 rpm IDE drives, and 512 MB RAM, my load time for ooffice runs about 12.5 seconds. Closing ooffice and then immediately restarting it takes a bit more than 3 seconds. Times for OpenOfficeWriter were about the same; no tests were made on OpenOfficeCalc. All tests were conducted using a stopwatch on a freshly booted system (a line of thunderstorms went through here earlier tonight). The RAM usage jumped about 60 MB when oofice was loaded, but only went down a small amount when it was closed, just as Linus has ordained. I'll have to repeat this exercise again when I start to use /swap. Seems like further evidence that there ain't no substitute for RAM. And two CPU's can be better than one. Now, to get down to matters of real importance, does anyone know how to speed up AisleRiot? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes. Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either. This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1.. Any ideas? thanks! Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OO is taking abnormally long...
On Sunday 15 June 2003 12:10 am, Damian Gatabria wrote: In the last few weeks i've noticed OO taking over 6 minutes to start. This machine is a Pentium 2, 400 mhz. OO would take about 50 seconds to start, which was bearable, but now, no matter what i do to it, it just stalls for about 5 minutes. Once i have one instance sunning, opening documents and new windows is almost instantaneous... deleting the local installation files didn't help, and reinstalling OO didn't, either. This is happening with OO 1.0.3 running on Mdk 9.1.. Is anything else opening really slow? Have there been any changes to your network setup? If the answer to both questions is yes, then the machine might be having trouble resolving itself. Check your /etc/hosts file and /etc/resolv.conf -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
