Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
On Fri, 2002-06-21 at 05:52, mike cola wrote: now that was all nice till you got to the PS and then fronted your opinion exactly the same way you told others not to (or not to listen to).. or did i misinterpret? linux: (the community as a public vocal group) is (from what i have observed as a longtime lurker on sites/forums/lists and as a user for about 3 years from redhat 6 to mdk 7.2 and uptil now 8.2..and only just getting a handle on it) full of people who want you ignore the vocal minority who scream and jump up n down, but then add their voice to a not the same but not too different either argument. its an OS people! a tool, a better way of doing things. ITS NOT A RELIGION tho some would evangelise! use it, learn it, modify it, adapt it but most of all just make it what yu will... mikecola my $a0.02 Eh...What? I'm afraid my coherency filter isn't quite out of alpha yet. And to everyone else, where is the rest of this thread? LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
et wrote: you know Jon, you where in my filters, and I took you off last week when I saw a reply to this post mentioning you were spam filtered. Really interesting (maybe fascinating would be as proper, especially for the folks down under to comprehend) to see you back. Welcome again, really. May I request that we all refrain (as much as possible) from the name calling and the sticks and stones stuff. I will try, I promise. Anyway the link you provided is not a good link at this time. I get a timeout for the server. and not having seen your original post I do not have any other of the sited evidence, but please fell free to contact me off list to update me with more info about this. I generally personally do not consider postings to a forum message board as very much evidence of anything except that the message board exists, and has people posting to it. what ever the problems exposed by the postings, the fact that more than one post exists for it does not (IMHO) conclude an unrepairable problem. I would bet (heck I could be wrong I am only basing that on your posts) I have a slight lead on you, as far as my understanding of how a hard drive (and MBR, as part of the drive) works and is written to. Based on my experience and understanding of hard drive operation, I would be nearly shocked to have you prove my assumption incorrect. I would enjoy learning as much as possible about this software that *irretrievably trashed the hard drive. from MY experience, it would take a few minutes of hard drive thrashing to *irretrievably loose the data, without letting the smoke out of the circuit board on the hard drive. If you did let out the smoke, well then, unless you have a way to put the smoke back into those little black smoke holders it may have *irretrievably lost your data. And (by the way) who are the Nortons? My experience ain't thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology that did not teach me how to keep from calling people; baby, Flame-babies, inescapable idiot, fanatics, Anti-social deviants, egobound to the degree that the anal pressure creates blindness, anti-social people with zero social skill, or Cyber-Nazis, while still expecting assistace and free training from them. It was my hope though, by showing you the names that you have labeled folks you only know via e-mail, that it may help you see how offensive your post might have sounded. I do agree that it is very often possible to discern the intended audience from the style of writing. I would caution that not every monosyllabic book was written by a non-PHD. Some very good childern's books have been written by very educated people. I would also ask you to consider the reverse side of this statement, with the consideration that my (and your) rights end where someone else's rights begin; A simple example would be to go and say that you don't believe in the rights of the Cyber-Nazis currently dominating the so-called anti-spam movement, to tell YOU what you may or may not LEGALLY receive, in one of the lists out there. I would suggest; A simple example would be to go and say that you don't believe in the rights of the Spammers currently dominating spam (or commercial Internet, since I still miss the days before the WWW and .com) movement, to tell ME what I must receive, and then to force me to waste my bandwidth (that _I_ pay for) with Spam that is not just un-wanted, but is deceitfully forced on me. as a possible other side of this argument. one mans cluster fuck is another mans orgy. On Thursday 20 June 2002 08:25 pm, you wrote: Hello folks, You know, it *IS* fascinating to read the comments of those few tunnel-visioned people on this list who continually make it difficult for people outside of their tiny worlds. I would love to take the candy/money off the baby - but my mother won't let me do those sort of things any more :-) I would have bet that after Thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology your Mom no longer had control of your cash, I guess I learn new stuff about you all the time. For those many others on this list who are not egobound to the degree that the anal pressure creates blindness, please ignore the Flame-babies and READ my post : As always, I supply the evidence. I even gave the Site address and the Forum where it is fully admitted by the Company and some of the victims - one of whom contacted me and said that he, as a professional psychologist was questioning his own grip on reality after the experience ... which was only matched by ferocity of rudeness he experienced when attempting to learn about Linux . I was able to assure him as a professional peer - my own background is thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology - that what he experienced was normal Internet behaviour. Sad, but true. The inescapable idiot percentage have great advantage out in the Cyberbog and all one can do is remember that they are a tiny, tiny
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Miark wrote: |I was able to assure him as a professional peer - my own background is |thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology - that what he |experienced was... | | | I have, on occasion, thought it remarkable that Frasier | Crane, a well-trained and experienced psychologist, could be | such a dork. Then I though, Ahh, but this is just TV. | | I stand corrected. | | Miark | how in the world did we get from Viruses and worms to clinical industrial p-sci-cologee? It almost sounds like some kind of viral infarction itself, ya know? Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9Fi73JuZ1geTzHgERAikDAJ945Mk45LiKkcZbH3NK9mbyI7pxBgCgpBTv D1K1XBnyB22XWnV8hK10aBw= =5P5d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Adams wrote: | On Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:17, FemmeFatale wrote: | |and this is wrong how? :) | |daRcmaTTeR wrote: | |On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: | |Whatever... | |Roger! ag...you've become a top poster. O no!!! | | | | | LOL, i too went to the bottom of the post to read the rest, only to find | useless attachments. | | Sometimes i post top, sometimes bottom, does this make me dislexic or does it | mean i like tops and bottoms? | :P I think it makes you indecisive. course...not that it matters. carry on... Mark -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9Fi6CJuZ1geTzHgERAiZMAKDF3Sm5kt5EkozPSGe41K4S7UDt2gCgoQ+i AfGwE2F+gmjddtcVJ7nKjGY= =RHNL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
Hello folks, You know, it *IS* fascinating to read the comments of those few tunnel-visioned people on this list who continually make it difficult for people outside of their tiny worlds. I would love to take the candy/money off the baby - but my mother won't let me do those sort of things any more :-) For those many others on this list who are not egobound to the degree that the anal pressure creates blindness, please ignore the Flame-babies and READ my post : As always, I supply the evidence. I even gave the Site address and the Forum where it is fully admitted by the Company and some of the victims - one of whom contacted me and said that he, as a professional psychologist was questioning his own grip on reality after the experience ... which was only matched by ferocity of rudeness he experienced when attempting to learn about Linux . I was able to assure him as a professional peer - my own background is thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology - that what he experienced was normal Internet behaviour. Sad, but true. The inescapable idiot percentage have great advantage out in the Cyberbog and all one can do is remember that they are a tiny, tiny percentage. The bulk of the good people out there are simply too afraid of them to say much. It is both my experience and opinion that the Open Source world is still dominated by anti-social people with zero social skills and it shows in their rage. A simple example would be to go and say that you don't believe in the rights of the Cyber-Nazis currently dominating the so-called anti-spam movement, to tell YOU what you may or may not LEGALLY receive, in one of the lists out there. Their intention is to somehow gain a little power. Simple. That is the motivation of all fanatics - to gain that power and then use it to inflict the pain on others that they feel. Well, there is my ever-increasing value $A 2 cents worth. Real people, ignore the Flamebabies -go investigate FOR YOURSELF. It will do two things: show you what sort of anti-social deviants ( meaning not like most) are out here in the Cyberbog and help you see the dangers. If you have a Jetway Board especially, or have a similar program investigate! See the other posted note about Nortons ( Long avoided by the real pros in the Doze world) Here is the address again. Go read the forums there! http://www.gotogs.com Cheers! John Rigby NB: Who had no trouble installing other versions of Linux - just feels that they are all still immature for real use in my own *commercial* world activities. BUT I can see it all coming together. Lycoris and Lindows are on the track that I have been espousing in Linux for the last 100 years. K.I.S.S. If Mandrake took my advice of years ago and split into two factions, fanatic and user, Mandrake would/could own the arena. All it takes is a simple Golden Rule: No Black Screen! The Command prompt is no place for the other 99.9993% actual Users in the real world. With Best Wishes To All Those Struggling To Make A Difference, --- At 10:32 PM 20/06/02, you wrote: On Thursday 20 June 2002 11:09 am, you wrote: Michael Adams wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:59, robin wrote: Grand Slammer wrote: Hello folks, Although having given up on M*+ for now, I had left a multiboot to a friendly version of Lux (Lycoris - it works, but) installed on my system. I had even changed Motherboards to try and get M8 to work and installed a Jetway - originally suggested by Civileme I think. ( Whose personal email address keeps bouncing - maybe I'm on his non-no list now) The destructive program (Trojan really!) comes bundled with Jetway Moboards and the product apparently self-installs with the Jetway and is called Crush Recovery would you believe - I thought it was a simple Chinglish blunder at the time(!) and although could not figure out how to remove an option it installed on the boot-up screen to install it, *I never activated it*. THEN two days ago, it suddenly announced that I was out of disk space ( wrong -25 gigs avail) and offered the following options: Save Restore or I think, delete. I took the safe road. Saving is always a good idea... It then deleted *irretrievably*, via trashing the MBR, everything on my system. My condolences. As I posted some time ago, Norton Utilities did a similar thing to my HD, though at least it kept the Windows partiton it had optimised (lucky, since I too use Windows as a backup, though not for anything crucial). Windows itself is too feeble to do much to your system other than write over the MBR if you reinstall (and you can always get back into Linux with a bootdisk or CD-ROM) but some third-party software is extremely dangerous. BTW, John, your mail somehow got filtered into my spam folder, which is odd, because it only does that to some domains I've received spam from in
[newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
now that was all nice till you got to the PS and then fronted your opinion exactly the same way you told others not to (or not to listen to).. or did i misinterpret? linux: (the community as a public vocal group) is (from what i have observed as a longtime lurker on sites/forums/lists and as a user for about 3 years from redhat 6 to mdk 7.2 and uptil now 8.2..and only just getting a handle on it) full of people who want you ignore the vocal minority who scream and jump up n down, but then add their voice to a not the same but not too different either argument. its an OS people! a tool, a better way of doing things. ITS NOT A RELIGION tho some would evangelise! use it, learn it, modify it, adapt it but most of all just make it what yu will... mikecola my $a0.02 >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:25:53 +1000 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: here is the mandatory joke .sig Your Lowrider Community... http://www.lowrider.com Your Personalized Page Start Page... http://my.lowrider.com - Express yourself with a super cool email address from BigMailBox.com. Hundreds of choices. It's free! http://www.bigmailbox.com -
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
John Rigby wrote: blah, blah , blah All of this is quite funny. I really loved the parts where John thinks he is somebody, that people should listen to... Very funny stuff. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.BBBHHHAAAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! You should write comic strips featuring a grumpy old man . anyway funny ! Mike Confucius said to know that what you know is what you know is not understanding. But to know that what you do not know is truely what you do not know , that is the begining of understanding. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
Whatever... On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, John Rigby wrote: Hello folks, You know, it *IS* fascinating to read the comments of those few tunnel-visioned people on this list who continually make it difficult for people outside of their tiny worlds. I would love to take the candy/money off the baby - but my mother won't let me do those sort of things any more :-) For those many others on this list who are not egobound to the degree that the anal pressure creates blindness, please ignore the Flame-babies and READ my post : As always, I supply the evidence. I even gave the Site address and the Forum where it is fully admitted by the Company and some of the victims - one of whom contacted me and said that he, as a professional psychologist was questioning his own grip on reality after the experience ... which was only matched by ferocity of rudeness he experienced when attempting to learn about Linux . I was able to assure him as a professional peer - my own background is thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology - that what he experienced was normal Internet behaviour. Sad, but true. The inescapable idiot percentage have great advantage out in the Cyberbog and all one can do is remember that they are a tiny, tiny percentage. The bulk of the good people out there are simply too afraid of them to say much. It is both my experience and opinion that the Open Source world is still dominated by anti-social people with zero social skills and it shows in their rage. A simple example would be to go and say that you don't believe in the rights of the Cyber-Nazis currently dominating the so-called anti-spam movement, to tell YOU what you may or may not LEGALLY receive, in one of the lists out there. Their intention is to somehow gain a little power. Simple. That is the motivation of all fanatics - to gain that power and then use it to inflict the pain on others that they feel. Well, there is my ever-increasing value $A 2 cents worth. Real people, ignore the Flamebabies -go investigate FOR YOURSELF. It will do two things: show you what sort of anti-social deviants ( meaning not like most) are out here in the Cyberbog and help you see the dangers. If you have a Jetway Board especially, or have a similar program investigate! See the other posted note about Nortons ( Long avoided by the real pros in the Doze world) Here is the address again. Go read the forums there! http://www.gotogs.com Cheers! John Rigby NB: Who had no trouble installing other versions of Linux - just feels that they are all still immature for real use in my own *commercial* world activities. BUT I can see it all coming together. Lycoris and Lindows are on the track that I have been espousing in Linux for the last 100 years. K.I.S.S. If Mandrake took my advice of years ago and split into two factions, fanatic and user, Mandrake would/could own the arena. All it takes is a simple Golden Rule: No Black Screen! The Command prompt is no place for the other 99.9993% actual Users in the real world. With Best Wishes To All Those Struggling To Make A Difference, --- At 10:32 PM 20/06/02, you wrote: On Thursday 20 June 2002 11:09 am, you wrote: Michael Adams wrote: On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:59, robin wrote: Grand Slammer wrote: Hello folks, Although having given up on M*+ for now, I had left a multiboot to a friendly version of Lux (Lycoris - it works, but) installed on my system. I had even changed Motherboards to try and get M8 to work and installed a Jetway - originally suggested by Civileme I think. ( Whose personal email address keeps bouncing - maybe I'm on his non-no list now) The destructive program (Trojan really!) comes bundled with Jetway Moboards and the product apparently self-installs with the Jetway and is called Crush Recovery would you believe - I thought it was a simple Chinglish blunder at the time(!) and although could not figure out how to remove an option it installed on the boot-up screen to install it, *I never activated it*. THEN two days ago, it suddenly announced that I was out of disk space ( wrong -25 gigs avail) and offered the following options: Save Restore or I think, delete. I took the safe road. Saving is always a good idea... It then deleted *irretrievably*, via trashing the MBR, everything on my system. My condolences. As I posted some time ago, Norton Utilities did a similar thing to my HD, though at least it kept the Windows partiton it had optimised (lucky, since I too use Windows as a backup, though not for anything crucial). Windows itself is too feeble to do much to your system other than write over the MBR if you reinstall (and you can always get back into Linux with a bootdisk or CD-ROM) but some third-party software is extremely dangerous.
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 21 June 2002 02:52 am, mike cola did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: linux: (the community as a public vocal group) is (from what i have observed as a longtime lurker on sites/forums/lists and as a user for about 3 years from redhat 6 to mdk 7.2 and uptil now 8.2..and only just getting a handle on it) full of people who want you ignore the vocal minority who scream and jump up n down, but then add their voice to a not the same but not too different either argument. its an OS people! a tool, the linux community _is_ a vocal minority... if you ignored the minority you would run windows. - -- At first they burn books, eventually they burn people. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9FJA1Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAvgFAJ9XPGugoBS01lcDRbjRi+ObSiO7OQCeJBmB atJRX7fn61Sonz1lrXUxb7c= =eNTy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: Whatever... Roger! ag...you've become a top poster. O no!!! -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, darklord wrote: On Friday 21 June 2002 11:11 am, you wrote: Shane, I don't have a clue what that guy was say. it sounded like a bunch of incoherent babling. could you please translate for me? Sorry to butt in here, but I think that his post was supposed to be directed to the Internal Revenue service... Everyone knows that you can only speak to those guys with gobble-de-gook, double-speak, and techo-babble... lol no problem at all DL. that was kinda given me a headache trying to understand. -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: Whatever... Roger! ag...you've become a top poster. O no!!! Did you really want me to put one word at the bottom of that drivel? ;-) nah... not really, but whats all that virus like stuff attached to your messages? -- daRmaTTeR R L U: #186492 When ever people annoy me I remember, Vengence is mine saith the Lord. My prayer is, ...here am I Lord...send me! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
I was able to assure him as a professional peer - my own background is thirty years of clinical and industrial psychology - that what he experienced was... I have, on occasion, thought it remarkable that Frasier Crane, a well-trained and experienced psychologist, could be such a dork. Then I though, Ahh, but this is just TV. I stand corrected. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: WARNING Destructive Software on multiboots, Jetway
and this is wrong how? :) daRcmaTTeR wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: Whatever... Roger! ag...you've become a top poster. O no!!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Femme Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
