RE: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
I seem to recall, and I may be off the mark here, as it's a dim and distant memory, that kppp is written in Tcl which isn't the most gracious handler of memory in my opinion - it does something weird holding onto resources (especailly memory), which could be the cause of your problems. Just my opinion - not dissing Tcl or anything. -Original Message- From: Robin Turner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often] On Friday 01 February 2002 10:58, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: How come many of you have server up times of many days and even months? I find that after approx. 2-3 days I need to reboot my MDK 8 box else the modem will not respond when I use kppp and the Software Manager only partially displays. I have 64 Mb of RAM and a separate 32 Mb video card. What's up? Kppp sometimes thinks there's a session in progress when there isn't. There's probably a .pid file you can delete, but that's just my guess. Robin -- Someone who re-invents the wheel will not take driving for granted. Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
On Friday 01 February 2002 10:58, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: How come many of you have server up times of many days and even months? I find that after approx. 2-3 days I need to reboot my MDK 8 box else the modem will not respond when I use kppp and the Software Manager only partially displays. I have 64 Mb of RAM and a separate 32 Mb video card. What's up? Kppp sometimes thinks there's a session in progress when there isn't. There's probably a .pid file you can delete, but that's just my guess. Robin -- Someone who re-invents the wheel will not take driving for granted. Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
On Friday 01 February 2002 03:58, you wrote: How come many of you have server up times of many days and even months? I find that after approx. 2-3 days I need to reboot my MDK 8 box else the modem will not respond when I use kppp and the Software Manager only partially displays. I have 64 Mb of RAM and a separate 32 Mb video card. What's up? what type of modem? is it USR? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
How come many of you have server up times of many days and even months? I find that after approx. 2-3 days I need to reboot my MDK 8 box else the modem will not respond when I use kppp and the Software Manager only partially displays. I have 64 Mb of RAM and a separate 32 Mb video card. What's up? -- == Hylton Conacher on KDE Registered Linux user # 229959 on Mandrake 8 on an AMD 1 Ghz K7 Licenced Windows 95 user More hardware info on request == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
On Friday 01 February 2002 10:58, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote: How come many of you have server up times of many days and even months? I find that after approx. 2-3 days I need to reboot my MDK 8 box else the modem will not respond when I use kppp and the Software Manager only partially displays. I have 64 Mb of RAM and a separate 32 Mb video card. Actually, the uptime a server (perhaps running only text-mode apps) can achieve is completely irrelevant to that of a desktop machine that runs X, a window manager, and loads up a new app every few minutes. Bragging rights, that's all. But you can restart X (ie exit to the login screen, then restart X and reload the window manager) without rebooting. That will most likely get rid of any zombie programs still using up memory and the uptime counter will keep right on ticking. Once the Pan newsreader froze my X screen solid. *Nothing* worked - except CTL-ALT-F1 which put me in a console from where I could issue a killall pan. CTL-ALT-F7 then put me right back in a smoothly working X screen, with Pan gone. Now with a, shall we say, lesser OS that would have been a reboot for sure. -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC All in all, you're just another brick in the wall- Pink Floyd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often
One of my servers uptime is 8 months, why reboot? Thats very Windoze! Dave. On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:52:34 -0800 Ed Kasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I have one RedHat 6 server only machine that runs mostly as a pop and web server that only gets rebooted when we clean it every 6 months or so Of course I monitor the memory and disk usage on a regular basis. But the wonderful thing about the os is that it has none of those inherent memory leaks that seems to continue to plague Microsoft products.. Ed At 09:34 PM Tuesday, 1/29/2002, Jesse Angell wrote -= I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas? Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . When you reach the crossroads, take it. - Yogi Berra Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often
On Wednesday 30 January 2002 05:43, Michael Viron wrote: I've seen servers that have uptime measured in a few hundred days with no problems at all (I've personally admined one that was up for almost 3 months before we had downtime due to a power outage). About the only time that you should have to reboot (or shutdown) the system is either when you upgrade hardware or update the kernel. Or when you look out the window and see a tropical thunderstorm approaching ... that's when we start switching off *everything* down here g -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC All in all, you're just another brick in the wall- Pink Floyd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[Fwd: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often]
Original Message Subject: Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:42:48 -0500 From: David Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: DGSSoftware To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: 000d01c1a94f$d7cad7b0$fd00a8c0@pavilion [EMAIL PROTECTED] One of my servers uptime is 8 months, why reboot? Thats very Windoze! Dave. On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:52:34 -0800 Ed Kasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, I have one RedHat 6 server only machine that runs mostly as a pop and web server that only gets rebooted when we clean it every 6 months or so Of course I monitor the memory and disk usage on a regular basis. But the wonderful thing about the os is that it has none of those inherent memory leaks that seems to continue to plague Microsoft products.. Ed At 09:34 PM Tuesday, 1/29/2002, Jesse Angell wrote -= I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas? Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . When you reach the crossroads, take it. - Yogi Berra LOL! A script to reboot? You might want to restart the chat server say once every two weeks, but reboot the system? I wrapped the time since reboot counter around on one machine--like 437 days up. One process was killed when the counter wrapped and had to be restarted from console, but I think several have passed this time with no problem. Underneath all the glitz and glamor, the base system is _stable_. You may freeze a desktop with bugs in a WM, but you can almost always dive out to a console and fix things, or SSH in if your keyboard is whacked. Reboot is considered a vulgar word in these environs. If you are swtiching video cards, it _Will_ be necessary to reboot, and probably use your install CD in update mode, and it you are changing processors or Mobos, a power-down/reboot is unavoidable, but you can actually change BIOS EPROMs without rebooting though the benefits will not be realized until you do the R-thing. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often
The only time I reboot my servers is for hardware, kernal upgrades, and to make sure a new service will start on reboot. John On Wednesday 30 January 2002 00:34, Jesse Angell wrote: I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often
I've seen servers that have uptime measured in a few hundred days with no problems at all (I've personally admined one that was up for almost 3 months before we had downtime due to a power outage). About the only time that you should have to reboot (or shutdown) the system is either when you upgrade hardware or update the kernel. Other than that, there isn't a need to. Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 09:34 PM 01/29/2002 -0800, you wrote: I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Reboot..how often
I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas?
Re: [newbie] Reboot..how often
FWIW, I have one RedHat 6 server only machine that runs mostly as a pop and web server that only gets rebooted when we clean it every 6 months or so Of course I monitor the memory and disk usage on a regular basis. But the wonderful thing about the os is that it has none of those inherent memory leaks that seems to continue to plague Microsoft products.. Ed At 09:34 PM Tuesday, 1/29/2002, Jesse Angell wrote -= I run a linux server, that hosts multiple chat servers. I used to do this on Windows 2000 and required a reboot at least once a week. I am curious now that I've switched to Mandrake Linux 8.1 how often should I reboot to clear things out to avoid unwanted down times, here is my uptime information 10:30pm up 12 days, 2:01, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 If I know how often It needs to rebooted I could setup a script to do it and tell my customers that its down every blah blah time for a blah blah amount of time... ?? Any ideas? Ed Kasky Los Angeles, CA . . . . . . . . When you reach the crossroads, take it. - Yogi Berra Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
