Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I am running an AMD TBird 1100 MHz on an ABIT KT7A motherboard with VIA KT133 chipset and I have had zero problems related to the mobo. I also have a Voodoo5 5500 video card that is working quite well. I know they are not the best cards for some types of gaming, but I am satisfied with the performance. Now, if someone could tell me how to get this %#$^! CD-RW to work correctly, I would be in Linux bliss! On Wednesday 25 April 2001 17:57, John Turnbull wrote: I realize that Mandrake 8.0 is very new and as a result, not all the surprises are known. A quick peruse with various search engines indicates that there may be some issues between Linux and AMD CPUs or chip sets. None-the-less, if one were considering building an AMD based machine, specifically for Mandrake, are there any preferred CPU/motherboard combinations that are known to be stable and good price performance in the 800 MHz speed? Any that should be avoided? Thank you all in advance. John T
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I am running an AMD TBird 1100 MHz on an ABIT KT7A motherboard with VIA KT133 chipset and I have had zero problems related to the mobo. I also have a Voodoo5 5500 video card that is working quite well. I know they are not the best cards for some types of gaming, but I am satisfied with the performance. Now, if someone could tell me how to get this %#$^! CD-RW to work correctly, I would be in Linux bliss! Does the CD-RW work as a cdrom already? What kind of CD-RW is it? IDE? Then you need to set up a trick to fake it as a SCSI ID. At http://mandrakeuser.org you can search the DOC section for this (CD-RW as keyword), and this will tell you exactly what to do. It worked for me too. (Plextor 12/10/32 IDE Cd-rewriter) Paul
RE: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I have an Abit KA7 Mobo with VIA KX133 chip with zero problems to date. I even have a Western Digital 20GB harddrive running without any problems which I hear can be trouble with certain VIA chips. YMMV though. There are so many possible combinations of hardware that there are bound to be some problems for certain configurations. Such is life. Mike -Original Message- From: Walter Luffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:47 PM To: Nima S. Panahi; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt On Thursday 26 April 2001 08:57 pm, Nima S. Panahi wrote: I guess I am just sick of VIA and maybe they are not quite a death trap. However, they always have problems. For example, my Geforce2 works crappy with the chipset (blurry at any good resolution/refresh rate on a 19 inch). The problem is well known and nvidia and via blame each other and will never get fixed. Also, there is the corruption problem with the IDE that causes corruption. They *think* they can fix it by a bios update but still have not provided a fix (at least not for my ASUS A7V133.) There are other wierd things too, such as the fact that an SB Live card in the system systems to make things worst for the file system corruption. I believe the only other chipset option is only really one by AMD. I love AMD CPU's , but the pickings are small for chipsets! I am just saying I will not buy VIA again, as I have had enough with them. For video card, if you don't care about 3D, matrox rocks! For sound, SB Live is the best too. CPU: Well, I love AMD, as they work best for me and are cheaper than Intel. However, you must take into account the chipset thing. Okay, you've had bad experiences with VIA chipsets, that much is understood. But that does not mean *every* motherboard with a VIA chipset is going to give problems. My primary machine has a Tyan S1854 mobo with a VIA chipset (the Apollo set, IIRC), and I've also used mobos with other VIA chipsets in the past. I can't recall ever having a problem due to either the motherboard or its chipset. This proves only that your particular motherboard, with its particular chipset, gives trouble when running your particular hardware configuration under the version(s) of Linux you've tried. Your detailed description of the problems you have had are informative and helpful to the rest of us -- but please don't exaggerate the extent of the problem by saying things like they always have problems when referring to any vendor's entire line. -- Walter Luffman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Medina, TN USA Diabetics are just sweet people (Type 2 5/99, d/e/m/motorcycle) Sage, purple 1998 Honda VT1100C Shadow Spirit
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I guess I am just sick of VIA and maybe they are not quite a death trap. However, they always have problems. For example, my Geforce2 works crappy with the chipset (blurry at any good resolution/refresh rate on a 19 I am using a Matrox G450, so I don't have that problem :). But I don't see how the chipset can influence your display. still have not provided a fix (at least not for my ASUS A7V133.) There are other wierd things too, such as the fact that an SB Live card in the I too have an ASUS, but it's the K7V133. I'm still using the 33/66 IDE bus rather than the 100mhz bus because I have another legacy drive in there besides the newer IBM 30 gb Deskstar I bought last October. I've also heard problems with Linux and the 100mhz bus, but that might have been made a non-issue at this point. It's OK for em though; obviously, if I get another drive I'll put it on the 100mhz bus, or avoid the entire issue and go SCSI, although that option is more expensive of course. Another point is that I was not building a machine for Mandrake but that I had already a working 7.2 installation and I simply transferred the old drives into my new system. I also have an SB Live (5.1/mp3 version) and I have yet to experience any file system corruption. For video card, if you don't care about 3D, matrox rocks! Yeah - I have a G450, it's quite nice for 2D, but slow for 3D stuff (for instance, flightgear is too slow to play) but that could be my fault :). CPU: Well, I love AMD, as they work best for me and are cheaper than Intel. However, you must take into account the chipset thing. Ditto. I have an AMD 1GNZ here and it's quite fast. It's faster than a P4 at higher clock speeds. (Don't get a P4 - it's far too expensive and it's crippled, from what I've read on the techie sites. AMD should show a TV commercial where the blue guys are in casts.) :) But to characterize VIA chipsets as death traps is going overboard, IMHO. David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. ---
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I appologize. I do not like VIA, but the generalization I made was wrong and made after a long and aweful dealings with the two different motherboards I got with the VIA chipsets. I lost my objectivity and people should see my comments in the light. On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Walter Luffman wrote: Okay, you've had bad experiences with VIA chipsets, that much is understood. But that does not mean *every* motherboard with a VIA chipset is going to give problems. My primary machine has a Tyan S1854 mobo with a VIA chipset (the Apollo set, IIRC), and I've also used mobos with other VIA chipsets in the past. I can't recall ever having a problem due to either the motherboard or its chipset. This proves only that your particular motherboard, with its particular chipset, gives trouble when running your particular hardware configuration under the version(s) of Linux you've tried. Your detailed description of the problems you have had are informative and helpful to the rest of us -- but please don't exaggerate the extent of the problem by saying things like they always have problems when referring to any vendor's entire line.
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
Carlos, You scared me man. I am planing to buy a new computer soon and I am thinking to buy AMD and the MB has a VIA chipset. So you don't recommend VIA. What motherboard, video card, sound card and CPU do you recommend? --- Carlos Arigós [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Mié 25 Abr 2001 20:28, escribiste: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. I don't know about AMD. My system: MDK 7.2, 128 mb, mobo SOYO 7BVA, P III 733 mhz (Via chipsets) + 2 SCSI Adaptec (1 HD and 1 CD Recorder) + 3 IDE (1 CD 2 HD Seagate Barracuda UDMA 66 7200 rpm) + USRobotics external, + Epson Stylus Photo 700, since the first install 6 or 8 months ago, works fine, very fine. Perhaps the problem is with MDK 8.0? Carlos = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
There's an interesting article at Anandtech, http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1456p=1, about how they ran into trouble running their webservers on AMD-based systems. It's worth a read, just to see how they implemented a large-scale site with a Linux-based load balancer, in addition to the hardware troubles. Regards, Nathan - Original Message - From: abram olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt I've been using amd processors with linux since mandrake 6 without any problems. I've currently got an asus a7v with a western digital HD running reiserFS in mandrake 8.0 without any problems at all. AMD is a great choice for a linux box.
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I know. I am talking about AMD + VIA. I must admint though, the bad experience with their AMD chipsets makes me not want to buy VIA at all. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Carlos [iso-8859-1] Arigós wrote: El Mié 25 Abr 2001 20:28, escribiste: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. I don't know about AMD. My system: MDK 7.2, 128 mb, mobo SOYO 7BVA, P III 733 mhz (Via chipsets) + 2 SCSI Adaptec (1 HD and 1 CD Recorder) + 3 IDE (1 CD 2 HD Seagate Barracuda UDMA 66 7200 rpm) + USRobotics external, + Epson Stylus Photo 700, since the first install 6 or 8 months ago, works fine, very fine. Perhaps the problem is with MDK 8.0? Carlos
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I guess I am just sick of VIA and maybe they are not quite a death trap. However, they always have problems. For example, my Geforce2 works crappy with the chipset (blurry at any good resolution/refresh rate on a 19 inch). The problem is well known and nvidia and via blame each other and will never get fixed. Also, there is the corruption problem with the IDE that causes corruption. They *think* they can fix it by a bios update but still have not provided a fix (at least not for my ASUS A7V133.) There are other wierd things too, such as the fact that an SB Live card in the system systems to make things worst for the file system corruption. I believe the only other chipset option is only really one by AMD. I love AMD CPU's , but the pickings are small for chipsets! I am just saying I will not buy VIA again, as I have had enough with them. For video card, if you don't care about 3D, matrox rocks! For sound, SB Live is the best too. CPU: Well, I love AMD, as they work best for me and are cheaper than Intel. However, you must take into account the chipset thing. On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, OOzy Pal wrote: Carlos, You scared me man. I am planing to buy a new computer soon and I am thinking to buy AMD and the MB has a VIA chipset. So you don't recommend VIA. What motherboard, video card, sound card and CPU do you recommend? --- Carlos Arigós [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Mié 25 Abr 2001 20:28, escribiste: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. I don't know about AMD. My system: MDK 7.2, 128 mb, mobo SOYO 7BVA, P III 733 mhz (Via chipsets) + 2 SCSI Adaptec (1 HD and 1 CD Recorder) + 3 IDE (1 CD 2 HD Seagate Barracuda UDMA 66 7200 rpm) + USRobotics external, + Epson Stylus Photo 700, since the first install 6 or 8 months ago, works fine, very fine. Perhaps the problem is with MDK 8.0? Carlos = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
On Thursday 26 April 2001 08:57 pm, Nima S. Panahi wrote: I guess I am just sick of VIA and maybe they are not quite a death trap. However, they always have problems. For example, my Geforce2 works crappy with the chipset (blurry at any good resolution/refresh rate on a 19 inch). The problem is well known and nvidia and via blame each other and will never get fixed. Also, there is the corruption problem with the IDE that causes corruption. They *think* they can fix it by a bios update but still have not provided a fix (at least not for my ASUS A7V133.) There are other wierd things too, such as the fact that an SB Live card in the system systems to make things worst for the file system corruption. I believe the only other chipset option is only really one by AMD. I love AMD CPU's , but the pickings are small for chipsets! I am just saying I will not buy VIA again, as I have had enough with them. For video card, if you don't care about 3D, matrox rocks! For sound, SB Live is the best too. CPU: Well, I love AMD, as they work best for me and are cheaper than Intel. However, you must take into account the chipset thing. Okay, you've had bad experiences with VIA chipsets, that much is understood. But that does not mean *every* motherboard with a VIA chipset is going to give problems. My primary machine has a Tyan S1854 mobo with a VIA chipset (the Apollo set, IIRC), and I've also used mobos with other VIA chipsets in the past. I can't recall ever having a problem due to either the motherboard or its chipset. This proves only that your particular motherboard, with its particular chipset, gives trouble when running your particular hardware configuration under the version(s) of Linux you've tried. Your detailed description of the problems you have had are informative and helpful to the rest of us -- but please don't exaggerate the extent of the problem by saying things like they always have problems when referring to any vendor's entire line. -- Walter Luffman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]Medina, TN USA Diabetics are just sweet people (Type 2 5/99, d/e/m/motorcycle) Sage, purple 1998 Honda VT1100C Shadow Spirit
[newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
I realize that Mandrake 8.0 is very new and as a result, not all the surprises are known. A quick peruse with various search engines indicates that there may be some issues between Linux and AMD CPUs or chip sets. None-the-less, if one were considering building an AMD based machine, specifically for Mandrake, are there any preferred CPU/motherboard combinations that are known to be stable and good price performance in the 800 MHz speed? Any that should be avoided? Thank you all in advance. John T
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
El Mié 25 Abr 2001 20:28, escribiste: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. I don't know about AMD. My system: MDK 7.2, 128 mb, mobo SOYO 7BVA, P III 733 mhz (Via chipsets) + 2 SCSI Adaptec (1 HD and 1 CD Recorder) + 3 IDE (1 CD 2 HD Seagate Barracuda UDMA 66 7200 rpm) + USRobotics external, + Epson Stylus Photo 700, since the first install 6 or 8 months ago, works fine, very fine. Perhaps the problem is with MDK 8.0? Carlos
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 03:28 pm, you wrote: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, John Turnbull wrote: I realize that Mandrake 8.0 is very new and as a result, not all the surprises are known. A quick peruse with various search engines indicates that there may be some issues between Linux and AMD CPUs or chip sets. None-the-less, if one were considering building an AMD based machine, specifically for Mandrake, are there any preferred CPU/motherboard combinations that are known to be stable and good price performance in the 800 MHz speed? Any that should be avoided? Thank you all in advance. John T What other mobo will my 1200mhz tbird fly on?
Re: [newbie] Requesting hardware advice for AMD based machine. jrt
On Wednesday 25 April 2001 21:04, you wrote: On Wednesday 25 April 2001 03:28 pm, you wrote: VIA is a death trap. Problem after problem after problem. I will never again buy VIA chipsets. STAY AWAY. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, John Turnbull wrote: I realize that Mandrake 8.0 is very new and as a result, not all the surprises are known. A quick peruse with various search engines indicates that there may be some issues between Linux and AMD CPUs or chip sets. None-the-less, if one were considering building an AMD based machine, specifically for Mandrake, are there any preferred CPU/motherboard combinations that are known to be stable and good price performance in the 800 MHz speed? Any that should be avoided? Thank you all in advance. John T What other mobo will my 1200mhz tbird fly on? I would do more research on this I have two soyo motherboards both with VIA chipsets and both running LM 7.2 with no apparent problems other than my own ignorance. The Chipsets are the VIA Apollo sets. I did have problems when trying to use a Western Digital HD in the one computer but swapped it for a Maxtor 30 gig and everything is hunkydory now. One computer is running K6 II 330 mhz and the other K6 II 400 mhz over clocked a smidge to 450 mhz. So check around on some of the building your own sites and see what you can find out about the Athlon boards with via on them. VIA is supposed to be getting a fix for any problems involving linux ext2 or reiserfs systems. Also there was some discussion on the list in the past about problems with VIA and I think that too was in conjunction with WD hard drives. VIA is the largest of suppliers for other than intel boards or so I read on the net. Search and you shall find ... -- Dennis M. registered Linux user # 180842
