RE: [newbie] Savage drivers
Title: RE: [newbie] Savage drivers On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:23, Charles A Edwards wrote: On 12 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400 Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, this is a dead issue since the card has been relegated to Windows duty My 1 foray into the realm of the S3/Savage has made its appropriate home in my 'piece-of-shit' junkbox. It never even performed marginally even in windblows. Charles Yeah...well...you're right. :0[ When I bought it there wasn't any thought of using it in Linux, and no idea that it would perform marginally in Windows. The price was right at the time. I'm pack-rat, by genetics, so I feel obligated to still give it life. But, your right. It should be guillotined, instead! T Well thanks for all your help guys. I was really pleased to get such a quick response. I went to work on the machine last night and I tried the Xtart thing and it failed, so I guess that means that the chipset is not supported. I happened to have a newish Slackware disk with me so I installed it to see how it would cope with the savage and it just defaulted to the Vesa server and that worked fine, even with KDE 3.1.0. I put the same setup on Mandrake using XFdrake and it worked fine there too, no surprise. I don't really undrestand why Mandrake doesn't default in the same way after not finding a suitable driver. Does the vesa server mean that the card is not being used properly (or at all). I would think its fine for an easy peasy newbie friendly installation if it just defaults to vesa so at least people can have a look at the desktop and be happy that the installation has gone ok. People who want to get the maximum out of their graphics card will soon find out if it's not being used properly and can go and fix it. I still didn't open the case, the computer is not mine so I'll avoid doing that until I really have to. Thanks once again for the help, hope I can be of help to you sometime. Ciao, Daniel Hutton
RE: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 05:53, Hutton Daniel wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:23, Charles A Edwards wrote: On 12 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400 Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, this is a dead issue since the card has been relegated to Windows duty My 1 foray into the realm of the S3/Savage has made its appropriate home in my 'piece-of-shit' junkbox. It never even performed marginally even in windblows. Charles Yeah...well...you're right. :0[ When I bought it there wasn't any thought of using it in Linux, and no idea that it would perform marginally in Windows. The price was right at the time. I'm pack-rat, by genetics, so I feel obligated to still give it life. But, your right. It should be guillotined, instead! T Well thanks for all your help guys. I was really pleased to get such a quick response. I went to work on the machine last night and I tried the Xtart thing and it failed, so I guess that means that the chipset is not supported. I happened to have a newish Slackware disk with me so I installed it to see how it would cope with the savage and it just defaulted to the Vesa server and that worked fine, even with KDE 3.1.0. I put the same setup on Mandrake using XFdrake and it worked fine there too, no surprise. I don't really undrestand why Mandrake doesn't default in the same way after not finding a suitable driver. Does the vesa server mean that the card is not being used properly (or at all). I would think its fine for an easy peasy newbie friendly installation if it just defaults to vesa so at least people can have a look at the desktop and be happy that the installation has gone ok. People who want to get the maximum out of their graphics card will soon find out if it's not being used properly and can go and fix it. I still didn't open the case, the computer is not mine so I'll avoid doing that until I really have to. Thanks once again for the help, hope I can be of help to you sometime. Ciao, Daniel Hutton Glad that you found a way to get it working. I did try using the Knoppix settings that did work on my particular setup (VESA) on the Mandrake XF86Config-4 and I couldn't get it to work. Someone on the expert list just posted a link to some archived posts that showed how the problem was fixed in the Savage series by transposing the savage driver from a RedHat 9.0 distro. Too bad that I've permanently demoted my S3 Savage 2000 card to Windows duty, it would be great to see if this worked for me, too. T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Savage drivers
Hello, I'm installing Mandrake for an association that I'm part of and I'm having trouble getting x configured on a dual boot pc with a newly installed Madrake 9.1. I got all the graphics card info from windows which tells me thatthe graphic card is; S3 Grphics ProSavage DDR with 32Mb memory and a "S3 P4M266" chip set. I didn't open the box to check it and the documentation doesn't say what the card actually is. >From the position of the video port it looks like the grafics card might be inetgrated into the motherboard. X just won't start. I've tried all the savage drivers but none of them pass the test during installation. I skipped the X set up during installation and then went and tried again with XFdrake but still no luck. I've tried both the versions of XFree86 offered to me during installation. Using XFdrake I checked that the monitor is set up ok and it has used values which exactly match the values in the manual so I'm pretty sure the autodetect has worked well for the monitor. Sorry if this is a tough one but I'm reallystuck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Ciao, Daniel Hutton P.S I love 9.1, it's first time I've tried Mandrake and I've already put it on 3 computers.
Re: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 08:09, Hutton Daniel wrote: Hello, I'm installing Mandrake for an association that I'm part of and I'm having trouble getting x configured on a dual boot pc with a newly installed Madrake 9.1. I got all the graphics card info from windows which tells me that the graphic card is; S3 Grphics ProSavage DDR with 32Mb memory and a S3 P4M266 chip set. S3 video chipsets have become a sore subject for me with Mandrake Linux. I have a little less trouble in RedHat, so it's not just a Mandrake-related problem in my mind. If you do a search through the archives (I'm guessing...mmm...maybe April/May) for S3 Savage 2000, you'll find my previous posts on my own problem. I didn't open the box to check it and the documentation doesn't say what the card actually is. From the position of the video port it looks like the grafics card might be inetgrated into the motherboard. You are going to have to open the box and take a look. If it's integrated, you'll find that a search of the larger square chips on your motherboard will reveal the exact make and model. If you don't see anything specifically stenciled, it's probably that one with the heat-sink on it. Don't try to remove, that of course. Instead, boot into Windows and see what's listed in Display | Settings or Device Manager. In most cases, the description Windows gives is enough. X just won't start. I've tried all the savage drivers but none of them pass the test during installation. I skipped the X set up during installation and then went and tried again with XFdrake but still no luck. I've tried both the versions of XFree86 offered to me during installation. Using XFdrake I checked that the monitor is set up ok and it has used values which exactly match the values in the manual so I'm pretty sure the autodetect has worked well for the monitor. You never mentioned what Desktop environment you are booting into or start with 'startx' from the console's shell prompt. Would I be right in guessing KDE? You mentioned no relief in using either XFree86 server. That may not be totally correct. KDE 3.1.0 won't work with the S3 Savage series chipsets regardless of which of the two Xservers you choose. This is not necessarily true of the Gnome Desktop environment or other Windows Managers (WM). Try this: 1) Go into XFdrake and allow the applet to designate the driver. However, you must use the 3.3.6 Xserver. If you are already assigned to the the driver that was originally chosen, XFdrake will not give you a choice, defaulting to whatever you chose last. I found the only way I could change the Xserver was to purposely pick ANY other driver, right or wrong, save and then enter back into XFdrake to pick the correct one. At that point, choosing a new driver responds with a choice of Xservers. Make sure to pick 3.3.6 for this test. Save and exit. 2) Type in 'Xtart', without the single quotes, and press ENTER. See if a menu comes up. If not, use 'urpmi' to retrieve and install Civileme's applet from your 9.1 distro CD's (don't know off hand which one it's on, but doesn't matter...'urpmi' will tell you.) # urpmi Xtart 3) Assuming that you chose some or all of the available WM's when you installed 9.1, starting the app at the shell prompt should bring up other choices than just KDE and/or Gnome. Pick any of the WM's. I would suggest IceWM this first time around as that is pretty much like Windows and an easy try. If you find X starting up, your video card is supported. If you still can't... Consider buying a new video card that is better supported, but only after checking to see if the BIOS allows you to turn off/disable the on-board video. Sorry if this is a tough one but I'm really stuck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Tough one? sigh For those of us who have to deal with the problem...yeah. Unfixable? No. Depends on whether you want to run KDE and if your wallet is feeling generous. :0] Feel free to contact me off-list, as well. Don't know if I can be of any more help, but I wouldn't mind sharing my notes. HTH T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 22:09, Hutton Daniel wrote: Hello, I'm installing Mandrake for an association that I'm part of and I'm having trouble getting x configured on a dual boot pc with a newly installed Madrake 9.1. I got all the graphics card info from windows which tells me that the graphic card is; S3 Grphics ProSavage DDR with 32Mb memory and a S3 P4M266 chip set. I didn't open the box to check it and the documentation doesn't say what the card actually is. From the position of the video port it looks like the grafics card might be inetgrated into the motherboard. X just won't start. I've tried all the savage drivers but none of them pass the test during installation. I skipped the X set up during installation and then went and tried again with XFdrake but still no luck. I've tried both the versions of XFree86 offered to me during installation. Using XFdrake I checked that the monitor is set up ok and it has used values which exactly match the values in the manual so I'm pretty sure the autodetect has worked well for the monitor. Sorry if this is a tough one but I'm really stuck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Ciao, Daniel Hutton You might want to check the true specs on the motherboard so that you can get the real video card information prior to mucking around any further. You should be able to get the model number off the motherboard just from opening the case without actually having to remove anything. -- Thu Jun 12 23:10:00 EST 2003 23:10:00 up 23:08, 4 users, load average: 0.16, 0.14, 0.07 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * You know you have a small apartment when Rice Krispies echo. -- S. Rickly Christian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:09:53 +0200 Hutton Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is a tough one but I'm really stuck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Regardless of what card you have you should always be able to use the vesa server. Run XFdrake and choose custom/vesa Check you lilo.conf and set 'vga=normal', the default is to run with fb and you do not want that. You can also achieve the same results at boot by pressing Esc and entering linux vga=normal Charles -- In Mexico we have a word for sushi: bait. -- Josi Simon - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.1mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 09:17, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:09:53 +0200 Hutton Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is a tough one but I'm really stuck. Many thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Regardless of what card you have you should always be able to use the vesa server. Run XFdrake and choose custom/vesa Check you lilo.conf and set 'vga=normal', the default is to run with fb and you do not want that. You can also achieve the same results at boot by pressing Esc and entering linux vga=normal Charles I tried that, worked to a point. I couldn't recover after leaving X. System locked up after receiving a black screen. Turning the computer off/hitting reset was my only recourse. T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Savage drivers
On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 13:23, Charles A Edwards wrote: On 12 Jun 2003 10:28:47 -0400 Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, this is a dead issue since the card has been relegated to Windows duty My 1 foray into the realm of the S3/Savage has made its appropriate home in my 'piece-of-shit' junkbox. It never even performed marginally even in windblows. Charles Yeah...well...you're right. :0[ When I bought it there wasn't any thought of using it in Linux, and no idea that it would perform marginally in Windows. The price was right at the time. I'm pack-rat, by genetics, so I feel obligated to still give it life. But, your right. It should be guillotined, instead! T Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
