Re: [newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
Good on you! It's great to see newbies from the Windos world experiment with the new OS instead of just sticking with the defaults. Don't get me wrong, KDE is a very nice environment, but it is a little too Windos-like for me. I think a major reason why GNOME doesn't have more users is that it is not as Windos-like as KDE, and so has a steeper learning-curve for those switching over from The Dark Side. GNOME, in combination with a good WM like Sawfish (Enlightenment, IceWM, XFce and WindowMaker are also good candidates), can be very powerful and configurable. Of course, this configurability is a major reason for the steep learning-curve. This is slowly being addressed, and GNOME is catching up to KDE in user-friendliness. On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:14, John Rigby wrote: Hi Sridhar, You are beginning to convert me to Gnome! :-) Cheers, John On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:02, you manipulated electrons to produce: ctrl-alt-backspace is supposed to be an emergency measure only, to be used when there is no other alternative. It will kill your entire X-server, which is often unnecessary. If you have GNOME loaded, you can log out by using the menus obtained by either clicking the footprint or by right-clicking an empty area of the panel. If a single app has gone rogue, you can kill it using xkill (if you want an entirely graphical solution), or (better) by using commands/apps like kill, killall and top at the console. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
Hi Civileme, Arghhh Big Bill STILL has me! I kept doing C+A+del !! THIS went into the Newby book under EScaping Big Bill However, the other weirdos are still a problem. For Newbies it is difficult to locate things by name. ( Same as Doze, but I KNOW Doze :-) ) I hope the Kmail thing is a fixed bug in 2.2. Cheers, John The Gnome screen has no access to any files/applications from the desktop. If anyone happens to notice this now: 1. I would like to know how to kill Gnome from a terminal AFTER I restart KDE. How do I do that from a Terminal? 2. Is anyone having trouble with K-Mail doing screen nasties? It will sometimes announce in the middle of the display screen that it has sent the queued files. Then it will die, leaving a greyed out box on top of all the other applications on all the other screens. Occasionally the whole Mail thing dies the same way but is at least, closable after some vigorous clicking around from the kill switch to the close in th Task Bar. Try ctrl-alt-backspace Civileme -- Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
ctrl-alt-backspace is supposed to be an emergency measure only, to be used when there is no other alternative. It will kill your entire X-server, which is often unnecessary. If you have GNOME loaded, you can log out by using the menus obtained by either clicking the footprint or by right-clicking an empty area of the panel. If a single app has gone rogue, you can kill it using xkill (if you want an entirely graphical solution), or (better) by using commands/apps like kill, killall and top at the console. On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:43, John Rigby wrote: Hi Civileme, Arghhh Big Bill STILL has me! I kept doing C+A+del !! THIS went into the Newby book under EScaping Big Bill However, the other weirdos are still a problem. For Newbies it is difficult to locate things by name. ( Same as Doze, but I KNOW Doze :-) ) I hope the Kmail thing is a fixed bug in 2.2. Cheers, John The Gnome screen has no access to any files/applications from the desktop. If anyone happens to notice this now: 1. I would like to know how to kill Gnome from a terminal AFTER I restart KDE. How do I do that from a Terminal? 2. Is anyone having trouble with K-Mail doing screen nasties? It will sometimes announce in the middle of the display screen that it has sent the queued files. Then it will die, leaving a greyed out box on top of all the other applications on all the other screens. Occasionally the whole Mail thing dies the same way but is at least, closable after some vigorous clicking around from the kill switch to the close in th Task Bar. Try ctrl-alt-backspace Civileme -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:26, you manipulated electrons to produce: The same is true of KDE! Miark Well, *I* couldn't at the time! Was driving me nutz! :-) Nobody has answered the other questions tho. WE really need a common troubleshooting FAQ for M8 I am trying to build it up from the List, but I censor them by: if *I* don't understand it, what hope has a New Newbie. :-) -- Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
[newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
Hi folks, I am sitting here in front of a sortof Gnome Desk Manager. Do not know how it got here in the first place and was only trying to close/kill it. Instead it trashed my KDE Taskbar. Alt+Tab just shows the foot and Konq Browser - still active to the Net. Thus, I was able to go to a Site known to have an emailer on it and execute my KDE Email Compose screen to send this. The Gnome screen has no access to any files/applications from the desktop. If anyone happens to notice this now: 1. I would like to know how to kill Gnome from a terminal AFTER I restart KDE. How do I do that from a Terminal? 2. Is anyone having trouble with K-Mail doing screen nasties? It will sometimes announce in the middle of the display screen that it has sent the queued files. Then it will die, leaving a greyed out box on top of all the other applications on all the other screens. Occasionally the whole Mail thing dies the same way but is at least, closable after some vigorous clicking around from the kill switch to the close in th Task Bar. -- Cheers, John Fablor now Webhosting?? What on earth for?? Info here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (it's only an Autoresponder) :-)
Re: [newbie] Those little things......... REAL Beginner stuff
On Saturday 21 July 2001 11:27, John Rigby wrote: Hi folks, I am sitting here in front of a sortof Gnome Desk Manager. Do not know how it got here in the first place and was only trying to close/kill it. Instead it trashed my KDE Taskbar. Alt+Tab just shows the foot and Konq Browser - still active to the Net. Thus, I was able to go to a Site known to have an emailer on it and execute my KDE Email Compose screen to send this. The Gnome screen has no access to any files/applications from the desktop. If anyone happens to notice this now: 1. I would like to know how to kill Gnome from a terminal AFTER I restart KDE. How do I do that from a Terminal? 2. Is anyone having trouble with K-Mail doing screen nasties? It will sometimes announce in the middle of the display screen that it has sent the queued files. Then it will die, leaving a greyed out box on top of all the other applications on all the other screens. Occasionally the whole Mail thing dies the same way but is at least, closable after some vigorous clicking around from the kill switch to the close in th Task Bar. Try ctrl-alt-backspace Civileme
