Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 01:28, Lee B. wrote: Daniel Anderson wrote: Hi, I wonder if you can help me figure out how to use ipcop with a verizon dsl connection. I'v tried twice to sub to the ipcop list, but haven't got a confirmation. The modem is a westell b90-210015-04. I'm currently using mnf on a mdk9.1 installation, and a dsl pppoe connection. Haven't been able to get it to work with ipcop or smoothwall. Thanks Dan ps I hope this isn't considered hijacking. I believe you can check the [ipcop-user] mail list archives without being a member of the list. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ipcop-userr=1w=2 Finally got the confirmation this morning. I'm subscribed now. Thanks, Dan __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 18:45, Rick Kunath wrote: Aron; IPCOP or Smoothwall 2.0 should be fine. I don't know if IPCOP allows you to do remote management of the firewall, Yes, IPcop does allow remote management of the firewall. I have just such a setup as you diagrammed, and it is running on some pretty old hardware. You don't need a CD-ROM drive except for the install, and need a floppy drive only for firewall configuration backups. I remove the keyboard and monitor after I get IPcop installed, and the rest can be administered either locally or remotely via a web interface or ssh. I am currently running it on a P133 with 32 megs of ram and a 1.2 GB hard drive. It can easily saturate my 2Mbps incoming connection, and because the green-side NIC is a 100Tx card, I get over 80Mbps speeds from the firewall's transparent cache into any of my workstations. You won't need the third NIC for use as you describe. I would get a switch instead of a hub, though. Since traffic on a switch isn't routed onto every port, you won't see speed decreases in your browsing if you are doing, say, a backup or transfer between two other machines on your local network segment. And a switch really isn't that much more money. IPcop is in active development and has a really friendly and helpful user base and mailing list. It's also real easy to set up and get going. I have used it since the original fork, and can say nothing but good things about it and it's community of users. I am just a satisfied user and am not associated with the group or the developers. Rick Kunath Hi, I wonder if you can help me figure out how to use ipcop with a verizon dsl connection. I'v tried twice to sub to the ipcop list, but haven't got a confirmation. The modem is a westell b90-210015-04. I'm currently using mnf on a mdk9.1 installation, and a dsl pppoe connection. Haven't been able to get it to work with ipcop or smoothwall. Thanks Dan ps I hope this isn't considered hijacking. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
Daniel Anderson wrote: Hi, I wonder if you can help me figure out how to use ipcop with a verizon dsl connection. I'v tried twice to sub to the ipcop list, but haven't got a confirmation. The modem is a westell b90-210015-04. I'm currently using mnf on a mdk9.1 installation, and a dsl pppoe connection. Haven't been able to get it to work with ipcop or smoothwall. Thanks Dan ps I hope this isn't considered hijacking. I believe you can check the [ipcop-user] mail list archives without being a member of the list. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ipcop-userr=1w=2 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thursday 05 February 2004 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 13:52, aronsmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 10:23, Lanman wrote: On 2/4/2004 at 7:21 AM aronsmith wrote: any reason to?.. not to? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; Using two firewalls usually causes problems with file sharing, etc., so I wouldn't bother with 2 firewalls if I were you. If you put up a firewall box in front of the server, remember to shut down the firewall ( Shorewall ) that's running on the server. As far as services that you can shut down are concerned, you'll need to send me a list of the services that are running on it now, and the services that you need. By the way, is this box being used as a server or workstation ? That answer can go a long way to helping us decide what to leave running and what to shut down. Lanman = The old box will just be used as a firewall the workstation will be a seperate box i had an old 500mhz compaq that I had stripped the am and drives out of so I bought 3 Nics at the surplus shop All 3Coms I have downloadd IPcop and with 128Mg Ram (probably overkill) should make a nice firewall Also want to be able to put my laptop on line also (old Dell 500 win XP ) Thinking kinda like this DSL oldbox(firewall) hub | ---___|__ (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? thanks smitty Yes, just remember to configure your DSL box as a bridge, so that the public IP assigned to you by the telco will be right on your NIC card *inside* the firewall itself. If the DSL box is configured as router, then the public IP is the DSL box itself, and that limits your options with Shorewall and netfilter. With the DSL box as bridge, you have maximum flexibility. === No way to configure my dsl modem in and out no options it's aZyxel 600 LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 19:55, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2004 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 13:52, aronsmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 10:23, Lanman wrote: On 2/4/2004 at 7:21 AM aronsmith wrote: any reason to?.. not to? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; Using two firewalls usually causes problems with file sharing, etc., so I wouldn't bother with 2 firewalls if I were you. If you put up a firewall box in front of the server, remember to shut down the firewall ( Shorewall ) that's running on the server. As far as services that you can shut down are concerned, you'll need to send me a list of the services that are running on it now, and the services that you need. By the way, is this box being used as a server or workstation ? That answer can go a long way to helping us decide what to leave running and what to shut down. Lanman = The old box will just be used as a firewall the workstation will be a seperate box i had an old 500mhz compaq that I had stripped the am and drives out of so I bought 3 Nics at the surplus shop All 3Coms I have downloadd IPcop and with 128Mg Ram (probably overkill) should make a nice firewall Also want to be able to put my laptop on line also (old Dell 500 win XP ) Thinking kinda like this DSL oldbox(firewall) hub | ---___|__ (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? thanks smitty Yes, just remember to configure your DSL box as a bridge, so that the public IP assigned to you by the telco will be right on your NIC card *inside* the firewall itself. If the DSL box is configured as router, then the public IP is the DSL box itself, and that limits your options with Shorewall and netfilter. With the DSL box as bridge, you have maximum flexibility. === No way to configure my dsl modem in and out no options it's aZyxel 600 That's strange, cause I've got a Zyxel too, and I was able to do so. You saying that there's no serial, no web, no telnet capabilities, at all? What about ftp; config upload and config download? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.2 Kernel 2.4.22-10mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 19:55, Aron Smith wrote: No way to configure my dsl modem in and out no options it's aZyxel 600 Plus, I just thought...that is an extremely older model. Are you sure that that is the exact model number? Many of the docs speak of the Zyxel 600 Prestige series. But there are many more newer models than a base 600. My model is much higher than that. Who is your telco? LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.2 Kernel 2.4.22-10mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thursday 05 February 2004 05:23 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 19:55, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2004 11:48 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 13:52, aronsmith wrote: On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 10:23, Lanman wrote: On 2/4/2004 at 7:21 AM aronsmith wrote: any reason to?.. not to? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; Using two firewalls usually causes problems with file sharing, etc., so I wouldn't bother with 2 firewalls if I were you. If you put up a firewall box in front of the server, remember to shut down the firewall ( Shorewall ) that's running on the server. As far as services that you can shut down are concerned, you'll need to send me a list of the services that are running on it now, and the services that you need. By the way, is this box being used as a server or workstation ? That answer can go a long way to helping us decide what to leave running and what to shut down. Lanman = The old box will just be used as a firewall the workstation will be a seperate box i had an old 500mhz compaq that I had stripped the am and drives out of so I bought 3 Nics at the surplus shop All 3Coms I have downloadd IPcop and with 128Mg Ram (probably overkill) should make a nice firewall Also want to be able to put my laptop on line also (old Dell 500 win XP ) Thinking kinda like this DSL oldbox(firewall) hub | ---___|__ (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? thanks smitty Yes, just remember to configure your DSL box as a bridge, so that the public IP assigned to you by the telco will be right on your NIC card *inside* the firewall itself. If the DSL box is configured as router, then the public IP is the DSL box itself, and that limits your options with Shorewall and netfilter. With the DSL box as bridge, you have maximum flexibility. === No way to configure my dsl modem in and out no options it's aZyxel 600 That's strange, cause I've got a Zyxel too, and I was able to do so. You saying that there's no serial, no web, no telnet capabilities, at all? What about ftp; config upload and config download? No they just assigned me an IP address which talks to the DSL modem which has a preassigned address there is a way but they won't give me the password to access the modem LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thursday 05 February 2004 05:27 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 19:55, Aron Smith wrote: No way to configure my dsl modem in and out no options it's aZyxel 600 Plus, I just thought...that is an extremely older model. Are you sure that that is the exact model number? Many of the docs speak of the Zyxel 600 Prestige series. But there are many more newer models than a base 600. My model is much higher than that. Who is your telco? LX= It's a Prestige 600, ISP is Speakeasy.net like I said itnwasshipped to me preconfigured Actualy since I own the modem They should give me the password. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thursday 05 February 2004 10:41 pm, Aron Smith wrote: -No they just assigned me an IP address which talks to the DSL modem which has -a preassigned address there is a way but they won't give me the password to -access the modem I've got a cable-modem here, but they at least did give me an ip address to the modem that I can log into and check stuff. Of course, the username and password they use are so lame its downright funny. Hmm, is it safe to tell? -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 22:59, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Thursday 05 February 2004 10:41 pm, Aron Smith wrote: -No they just assigned me an IP address which talks to the DSL modem which has -a preassigned address there is a way but they won't give me the password to -access the modem I've got a cable-modem here, but they at least did give me an ip address to the modem that I can log into and check stuff. Of course, the username and password they use are so lame its downright funny. Hmm, is it safe to tell? NO! You've probably changed yours, but the newbies... LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Thursday 05 February 2004 11:30 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: - -NO! - -You've probably changed yours, but the newbies... - - -LX Lyvim, I'll send it to you in private - you'll appreciate it. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Whats happinging
Imgot this security warning can any one tell me what this means Have I been hacked ? TIA smitty From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 4 12:14:08 2004 Received: (qmail 2200 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2004 12:14:08 - Received: from dsl081-053-247.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO slowbox.com) ([64.81.53.247]) (envelope-sender [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail7.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 4 Feb 2004 12:14:08 - Received: by slowbox.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id A4EA7A0582; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:13:05 -0500 (EST) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [msec] *** Security Check on slowbox.com, Wed Feb 4 04:13:05 PST 2004 *** Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:13:05 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (root) X-Evolution-Source: pop://[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Security Warning: These files belonging to packages are modified on the system : - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/fonts.cache-1 - /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icewm/menu - /usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives/fonts.cache-1 Security Warning: These config files belonging to packages are modified on the system : - /etc/X11/fs/config - /etc/cups/classes.conf - /etc/cups/printers.conf - /etc/host.conf - /etc/info-dir - /etc/inittab - /etc/login.defs - /etc/modules - /etc/modules.conf - /etc/mtools.conf - /etc/pam.d/system-auth - /etc/printcap - /etc/sane.d/dll.conf - /etc/shells - /etc/shorewall/interfaces - /etc/shorewall/policy - /etc/shorewall/zones - /etc/ssl/webmin/miniserv.pem - /etc/sysconfig/bootsplash - /etc/sysconfig/harddrake2/previous_hw - /etc/sysconfig/msec - /etc/sysconfig/usb - /etc/sysctl.conf - /etc/syslog.conf - /etc/xml/catalog - /usr/share/config/kdeglobals - /usr/share/config/kdesktoprc - /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc - /usr/share/config/konquerorrc - /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xmlcatalog These are the ports listening on your machine : Active Internet connections (only servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name tcp0 0 localhost:32768 *:* LISTEN 2074/xinetd tcp0 0 *:sunrpc*:* LISTEN 1013/portmap tcp0 0 *:1 *:* LISTEN 2635/perl tcp0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN 1993/X tcp0 0 *:ipp *:* LISTEN 2198/cupsd tcp0 0 *:socks *:* LISTEN 2541/socks5 tcp0 0 localhost:smtp *:* LISTEN 2474/master udp0 0 *:1 *:* 2635/perl udp0 0 *:32802 *:* 3962/xmms udp0 0 *:32803 *:* 3962/xmms udp0 0 localhost:domain*:* 2025/tmdns udp0 0 224.0.0.251:5353*:* 2025/tmdns udp0 0 slowbox.com:5353*:* 2025/tmdns udp0 0 localhost:5353 *:* 2025/tmdns udp0 0 *:sunrpc*:* 1013/portmap udp0 0 *:ipp *:* 2198/cupsd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
Aron; First of all, it would be a better idea to send the file as a text file, and , in light of all the viruses going around, it would also be a good idea to let people know that you attached the file to the email. Considering the nature of the text, and the size of the file, you probably could have copied and pasted the info directly into your email. God! Now i sound like a List Nazi ! Grin! As to the info inn the file, it it normal info. The first section called Security Warning is only telling you that the files have been modified which could be something as simple as a package that you upgraded. The second section is just telling you that an assorted list of services on your system are listening for connections, or in other words, that they're ready, running, and listening for requests from other PC's. Now keep in mind that if this particular box doesn't need some of the services that are listed here, you should shut them down, and possibly remove them from the system, and of course, if this system is directly connected to your internet connection, and you don't have a firewall in place, then yes, you're asking for trouble. If you'd like to know what ports are actually being seen by anyone or anything on the Internet, browse over to http://scan.sygate.com; and run a quick scan. That will give you a pretty thorough report on what ports under 1025 are open and visible to the Internet. Hope this helps? Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/4/2004 at 4:52 AM aronsmith wrote: Imgot this security warning can any one tell me what this means Have I been hacked ? TIA smitty Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 05:09, Lanman wrote: Aron; First of all, it would be a better idea to send the file as a text file, and , in light of all the viruses going around, it would also be a good idea to let people know that you attached the file to the email. Considering the nature of the text, and the size of the file, you probably could have copied and pasted the info directly into your email. God! Now i sound like a List Nazi ! Grin! My goof :( As to the info inn the file, it it normal info. The first section called Security Warning is only telling you that the files have been modified which could be something as simple as a package that you upgraded. The second section is just telling you that an assorted list of services on your system are listening for connections, or in other words, that they're ready, running, and listening for requests from other PC's. Now keep in mind that if this particular box doesn't need some of the services that are listed here, you should shut them down, and possibly remove them from the system, and of course, if this system is directly connected to your internet connection, and you don't have a firewall in place, then yes, you're asking for trouble. I do have shorewall running . Any Idea what services I can get rid of? TIA smitty If you'd like to know what ports are actually being seen by anyone or anything on the Internet, browse over to http://scan.sygate.com; and run a quick scan. That will give you a pretty thorough report on what ports under 1025 are open and visible to the Internet. Hope this helps? Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/4/2004 at 4:52 AM aronsmith wrote: Imgot this security warning can any one tell me what this means Have I been hacked ? TIA smitty Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 05:09, Lanman wrote: Aron; First of all, it would be a better idea to send the file as a text file, and , in light of all the viruses going around, it would also be a good idea to let people know that you attached the file to the email. Considering the nature of the text, and the size of the file, you probably could have copied and pasted the info directly into your email. God! Now i sound like a List Nazi ! Grin! As to the info inn the file, it it normal info. The first section called Security Warning is only telling you that the files have been modified which could be something as simple as a package that you upgraded. The second section is just telling you that an assorted list of services on your system are listening for connections, or in other words, that they're ready, running, and listening for requests from other PC's. Now keep in mind that if this particular box doesn't need some of the services that are listed here, you should shut them down, and possibly remove them from the system, and of course, if this system is directly connected to your Internet connection, and you don't have a firewall in place, then yes, you're asking for trouble. If you'd like to know what ports are actually being seen by anyone or anything on the Internet, browse over to http://scan.sygate.com; and run a quick scan. That will give you a pretty thorough report on what ports under 1025 are open and visible to the Internet. Got it bookmarked thanks (I'm gonna have to get serious about security gonna get the separate firewall up in the next day or so (2 firewalls any reason to?.. not to? Hope this helps? Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 2/4/2004 at 4:52 AM aronsmith wrote: Imgot this security warning can any one tell me what this means Have I been hacked ? TIA smitty Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On 2/4/2004 at 7:21 AM aronsmith wrote: Got it bookmarked thanks (I'm gonna have to get serious about security gonna get the separate firewall up in the next day or so (2 firewalls any reason to?.. not to? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; Using two firewalls usually causes problems with file sharing, etc., so I wouldn't bother with 2 firewalls if I were you. If you put up a firewall box in front of the server, remember to shut down the firewall ( Shorewall ) that's running on the server. As far as services that you can shut down are concerned, you'll need to send me a list of the services that are running on it now, and the services that you need. By the way, is this box being used as a server or workstation ? That answer can go a long way to helping us decide what to leave running and what to shut down. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 10:23, Lanman wrote: On 2/4/2004 at 7:21 AM aronsmith wrote: any reason to?.. not to? *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; Using two firewalls usually causes problems with file sharing, etc., so I wouldn't bother with 2 firewalls if I were you. If you put up a firewall box in front of the server, remember to shut down the firewall ( Shorewall ) that's running on the server. As far as services that you can shut down are concerned, you'll need to send me a list of the services that are running on it now, and the services that you need. By the way, is this box being used as a server or workstation ? That answer can go a long way to helping us decide what to leave running and what to shut down. Lanman = The old box will just be used as a firewall the workstation will be a seperate box i had an old 500mhz compaq that I had stripped the am and drives out of so I bought 3 Nics at the surplus shop All 3Coms I have downloadd IPcop and with 128Mg Ram (probably overkill) should make a nice firewall Also want to be able to put my laptop on line also (old Dell 500 win XP ) Thinking kinda like this DSL | | oldbox(firewall) | hub | ---___|__ | | | (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? thanks smitty __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On 2/4/2004 at 10:52 AM aronsmith wrote: Thinking kinda like this DSL | | oldbox(firewall) | hub | ---___|__ | | | (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? thanks smitty *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Aron; IPCOP or Smoothwall 2.0 should be fine. I don't know if IPCOP allows you to do remote management of the firewall, but Smoothwall does. Unless you're planning on running a separate web-server, the third NIC isn't needed at all. 128MB ram isn't what I'd call overkill, but then I'm a RAM hog so I'd start at 256MB's and I wouldn't look back. I probably go through 50 or 60 GB's of ram each month, just to give you an idea of what I mean. Are you hosting any sites, domains, or email servers? If not then we can start shutting down services as soon as you want to. Make up a list of the services which are currently running on your PC and email it to me off-list. Otherwise, sounds like you're Good to Go ! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whats happinging
On Wednesday 04 February 2004 19:52, aronsmith wrote: The old box will just be used as a firewall the workstation will be a seperate box i had an old 500mhz compaq that I had stripped the am and drives out of so I bought 3 Nics at the surplus shop All 3Coms I have downloadd IPcop and with 128Mg Ram (probably overkill) should make a nice firewall Also want to be able to put my laptop on line also (old Dell 500 win XP ) Thinking kinda like this DSL | | oldbox(firewall) | hub | ---___|__ | | | (Workstation) laptop spare (slimserver? Do you think that would do it? I've got a similar setup you're proposing here except that I'm using smoothwall and a P166 32M box. No big deal there's not that much difference between ipcop and smoothwall. I gather it was more a social matter than anything else that caused the fork. 128 m ram is nice, that way you will not need a HDwatch your logs though, they tend to grow. I installed on an old 300M HD and clean it out once a month, if I wait longer it's full. What might get you flustered is that you've 3 same nic's so it'll be hard to differentiate between them during installation. I solved it by using 3 very different ones for red, green and orange( a realtek, nec and 3com). I suppose if it really starts to get messy you could put each one in, one after the other and reboot/re-install every time to solve that, at the worst. Keep yer eyes on the mac adresses i.e. have them jotted down before you start installingthat'll help:) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
