Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:12, Randy Kramer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I'd just like to cast a vote for nedit. It has syntax highlighting (for many languages), soft word wrap (they call it continuous word wrap), and macros, and, if you're from windows, it just seems more comfortable than vi or emacs. Kedit is nice too, and there are others, but nedit had more of the features I wanted. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Speaking of soft word wrap, does anybody know of any good (fast, small memory footprint, decent feature set, etc.) GUI editors that employ this feature? Kedit and Kwrite don't, and Gedit inherits GTK's weird (to me, anyway) method of doing soft word wrap (try it and see :). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
Does anybody have an Emacs quick reference file? If you do, please share. TIA, Jen On Monday 27 August 2001 17:25, you wrote: On Tuesday 28 August 2001 04:34, Paul wrote: In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Pick one and stick with it. Some like vi, some like emacs. And some like gedit/nedit/whatever. I think it is good to have a choice, figure out what's the best for you, and then use it :) Paul Hmmm, well the ingredients of a jihad have we when first we seek to compare and contrast emacs and vi. emacs has a more complex command structure and a MUCH better tutorial as well as bindings for many languages that gives you auto-indent, color-coding, and even function stubs. As an editor it is not for speed typists so much as for folks who concentrate on content. On the typical power outage crash your loss in emacs will be the last two words typed or so. For vi, it may be larger. Actually you cannt really compare the two. Emacs can do shell things and help you debug programs without ever getting out of the dark slate gray (that sure looks pine green to me) screen while vi cannot. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is a matter of taste, but I can tell you this-- You can run X with just an xterm and you can call vi from it and you have to exit to the xterm to do bash things, but you can run emacs as a window manager/desktop environment and you can read mail and browse th web and debug without ever exiting. vi was designed as a great improvement over the older blind text editors like ed and ex which were really designed for efficiency on a teletype style terminal. I remember using it and thinking how much better it was, then I ran into MINCE (Mince Is Not Complete Emacs) and never looked back. vi has more than one mode which some like and some hate. When you come to the decision, it is a matter of taste. There are also others out there, like joe which can be emacs-like or pico-like or wordstar-like, and jed, which also can customize bindings. Look at each of them a little while, learn how to change their styles, then go get nano of nedit and look at them. An editor is a personal choice. Cooledit is liked by some as well, and SIAG offers xedplus to further confuse the issue, then if you want language independence or internationalizaion capabilities the one to use is yudit. Forget it, it's too complicated to decide. Break out your Ada manual and write one that can't be buffer overflowed, and make it your very own :-D Civileme Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- Jennifer #221463 Yahoo IM: jlynn2k #include wisdom.h void ignorance (it offers no value) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 14:05, jennifer wrote: Does anybody have an Emacs quick reference file? If you do, please share. On my computer I issued the following commands: narfi@/[1042] locate refcard.ps /usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc/refcard.ps narfi@/[1043] rpm -q -f /usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc/refcard.ps emacs-20.7-16mdk I.e. the file is called /usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc/refcard.ps and it came from the rpm package emacs-20.7-16mdk. Provided you have everything installed, you should be able to view it with gv /usr/share/emacs/20.7/etc/refcard.ps Best, Narfi. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
Good afternoon folks, I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I have only been playing with them for a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Thanks as always for your collective infinite wisdom. Peace, Isaac When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why the poor had no food, they called me a communist. - Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
I use emacs for everything. I find it too much of a pain to jump around from editor to editor for different projects. I spend my work days writing shell scripts, editing text files, and C++ programming, and use emacs for all of these tasks. If you take the time to thoroughly learn emacs, you don't need vi, IMHO. Tim - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi Good afternoon folks, I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I have only been playing with them for a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Thanks as always for your collective infinite wisdom. Peace, Isaac When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why the poor had no food, they called me a communist. - Archbishop Oscar Romero of El Salvador Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Pick one and stick with it. Some like vi, some like emacs. And some like gedit/nedit/whatever. I think it is good to have a choice, figure out what's the best for you, and then use it :) Paul -- Such is life. And life becomes sucher and sucher. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I'd just like to cast a vote for nedit. It has syntax highlighting (for many languages), soft word wrap (they call it continuous word wrap), and macros, and, if you're from windows, it just seems more comfortable than vi or emacs. Kedit is nice too, and there are others, but nedit had more of the features I wanted. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
Oops, sorry, if you want to use it from the command line (without X) it won't work. I'd use jstar from the command line, but I'd still use nedit in X, even invoking it from the command line. Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm starting to do pretty much everything from the command line now, to the point that I don't even touch XWindows for most of the day. While this is cool and exciting, I'm curious as to people's opinions on what text editor I should use for programming, file editing, etc. I'd just like to cast a vote for nedit. It has syntax highlighting (for many languages), soft word wrap (they call it continuous word wrap), and macros, and, if you're from windows, it just seems more comfortable than vi or emacs. Kedit is nice too, and there are others, but nedit had more of the features I wanted. Hope this helps, Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
What's the difference between Xemacs and emacs? - Isaac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
On Tuesday 28 August 2001 04:34, Paul wrote: In reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s words, written Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) a few days and it seems to me that vi is a lot easier thus far. The CTRL-D/DEL thing in emacs is a real hassle. I know that vi is intended for C programming and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? Pick one and stick with it. Some like vi, some like emacs. And some like gedit/nedit/whatever. I think it is good to have a choice, figure out what's the best for you, and then use it :) Paul Hmmm, well the ingredients of a jihad have we when first we seek to compare and contrast emacs and vi. emacs has a more complex command structure and a MUCH better tutorial as well as bindings for many languages that gives you auto-indent, color-coding, and even function stubs. As an editor it is not for speed typists so much as for folks who concentrate on content. On the typical power outage crash your loss in emacs will be the last two words typed or so. For vi, it may be larger. Actually you cannt really compare the two. Emacs can do shell things and help you debug programs without ever getting out of the dark slate gray (that sure looks pine green to me) screen while vi cannot. Whether this is an advantage or disadvantage is a matter of taste, but I can tell you this-- You can run X with just an xterm and you can call vi from it and you have to exit to the xterm to do bash things, but you can run emacs as a window manager/desktop environment and you can read mail and browse th web and debug without ever exiting. vi was designed as a great improvement over the older blind text editors like ed and ex which were really designed for efficiency on a teletype style terminal. I remember using it and thinking how much better it was, then I ran into MINCE (Mince Is Not Complete Emacs) and never looked back. vi has more than one mode which some like and some hate. When you come to the decision, it is a matter of taste. There are also others out there, like joe which can be emacs-like or pico-like or wordstar-like, and jed, which also can customize bindings. Look at each of them a little while, learn how to change their styles, then go get nano of nedit and look at them. An editor is a personal choice. Cooledit is liked by some as well, and SIAG offers xedplus to further confuse the issue, then if you want language independence or internationalizaion capabilities the one to use is yudit. Forget it, it's too complicated to decide. Break out your Ada manual and write one that can't be buffer overflowed, and make it your very own :-D Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
What's the difference between Xemacs and emacs? There are a few differences. Xemacs started life out as a separate source code fork from GNU Emacs - it was called Lucid Emacs back then. Since then, the code bases have merged somewhat, and there aren't too many differences between the two. Some may find emacs better, others may like Xemacs. You won't need to have both installed. - Isaac David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Xemacs vs. emacs vs. vi
and emacs for command interpreting/bash programming, so is it best for me to use both? What are the advantages of each tool under different circumstances? I'm not sure where you got that idea - see my other message. My recommend- ation - use whatever you feel more comfortable with. For some, emacs is easier to figure out (mostly because most people coming to Unix aren't going to be used to a 'modal' editor, as vi is). Isaac David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
