Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
$.02: David E. Fox wrote: So far so good...some servers should be included, postfix / apache probably for starters. No need for innd,postgresd, etc. Again, the current installation profiles need to be tweaked - one shouldn't have to go for a server install to get a few necessary (plus some that aren't - depending on what you want to do) plus 'workstation' plus 'development' to get a basic workstation with some development and server capability -- which I think is what many want. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Also, make sure standard installation: - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a client and a server to make it easy to play multiplayer games over a network (or locally), but can make it a little confusing for someone who just want to play a local single player game. Someday you'll want to learn the commands to start the server and client separately, when you do press help_for_multiplayer. (Or have multiplayer be an option on a startup menu after you start Civ with the single command. Or, default to multiplayer, and ask How many players on this computer?, How many players on other computers?, and How many computer players?) (I guess I should send this to the FreeCiv list.) Randy Kramer
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 20:59, Michel Clasquin wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2001 10:35, Franki wrote: non-KDE/non-GNOMEapps: xmms - it looks like Winamp, sounds like winamp, it even uses winamp skins. A newie essential. XMMS is actually part of the GNOME project. It works equally well in KDE, however. Netscape/mozilla: for compatibility reasons xgalaga - just because Hehehe... Add xbill and freeciv to that! GIMP - Yes I know it is a Gnome app, but you could hardly not mention it separately, right? 4. No servers included in this distro. 5. market it as linux for windoze users... the power of linux with the ease of windows. (that may not appeal to us, ,but it will appeal to windoze users..) 6. possibly even a file manager that calls / (c drive) /home (my docs) and /usr (prog files) and /proc (linux) and /mnt/floppy (a drive) /mnt/cdrom (d drive) to help them feel at home, although thats proably overkill... NO g Additionally 7. Hide the root account even more than is being done already. Extensive use of kdesu is the key here. Package the root password as knowing a special secret code that lets you install new things rather than as just the password of some weird user called root. (Honey, do we know anyone called Root?) because it cuts down on alot of the reasons that linux is great, but it should still be done because its the best way to lure disgruntled windoze users over to the greener pastures.. Some good ideas here. Hope the mandrakeans are reading this forum. Hey, what was the name of Mandrake the Magician's sidekick again? Lothar, I think. How's that for a name: LotharLinux. Lothar was actually the old name of HardDrake, back in the Mandrake 7.0/7.1 days. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
RE: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
I think you guys are missing the point.. This is an install to woo windoze users, mandrake makes the mini router/firewall distro... why not a version that matches windows functionality without all the rest.. clients of everything, not servers they require configuration and in the end will make the distro pointless...you might as well get the full version... match the functionality of windows, and let them understand that before you give them the option of more... They can always buy a added functionality cd or download the rpms from a mandrake site dedicated to it... keep it simple, and they will come... (good marketing slogan actually :-) There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2001 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake. $.02: David E. Fox wrote: So far so good...some servers should be included, postfix / apache probably for starters. No need for innd,postgresd, etc. Again, the current installation profiles need to be tweaked - one shouldn't have to go for a server install to get a few necessary (plus some that aren't - depending on what you want to do) plus 'workstation' plus 'development' to get a basic workstation with some development and server capability -- which I think is what many want. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Also, make sure standard installation: - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a client and a server to make it easy to play multiplayer games over a network (or locally), but can make it a little confusing for someone who just want to play a local single player game. Someday you'll want to learn the commands to start the server and client separately, when you do press help_for_multiplayer. (Or have multiplayer be an option on a startup menu after you start Civ with the single command. Or, default to multiplayer, and ask How many players on this computer?, How many players on other computers?, and How many computer players?) (I guess I should send this to the FreeCiv list.) Randy Kramer
RE: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Maybe a tiny floppy app, that can probe a windows system and give a report of what is likely to work with linux and what isn't ... then give heaps of the disks to mandrake resellers, so people can try one in thier computers before buying the winlinux distro just a thought, or you could make the same file downloadable on lotsa we sites.. would be handy to have a windows app that queries windows system/device-manager to look for compliant/non compliant devices and print a little report to screen... thats something that even more experianced linux users would find handy sometimes.. just more of my inane thoughts.. my apologies.. :-) regards Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David E. Fox Sent: Monday, 2 July 2001 2:54 AM To: Randy Kramer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] curious My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake. Include Samba server and client, pre-setup to easily allow enabling of file and printer sharing, in both directions. Oh yes. Many will want that. - Makes printing Just work (including to a shared remote printer on a Windows box) - Makes sound Just work - Makes CD burner Just work (including easy selection of DAO option -- maybe the default for audio CDs) OK for printing and sound - go for CUPS. Personally sond printing have worked out of the box for me, others' mileages may vary, of course. I don't have a CD burner, but I do know there are a few different programs that do this task differently, perhaps equally well, I don't know. But pick one, and roll its code into Konqueror, and let people burn CD's from inside the file manager. After all, you work with disks / floppies the same way, why should CD's be different? - Provides good looking fonts (for any hardware) by default, allows easy selection of good looking alternates I agree in principle, but many good fonts are copyrighted, and the free ones don't always look too good. I've been to a few free sites and they have some interesting fonts there, but not ones you would want to use in business correspondence. (Personally, 99% of my 'formal' correspondence is done in either Palatino or New Century Schoolbook, and the major WPs that I use provide those fonts.) I figure most people on Windows just use Arial because it's the default, but it doesn't look too good either :). And why provide so many conflicting fonts - I mean, there's 100dpi, 75dpi, unscaled fonts, scaleable fonts, Cyrillic fonts, etc. I know they have their uses, but they probably don't all need to be included in a scaled-down 'newbie' distribution. And while we're on the subject of fonts, how about documentation? The current thing seems to be to provide it in a slew of differing formats - I mean there's DVI howtos, PS howtos, html howtos, info-based documentation (that requires 'info', natch), man pages, DocBook stuff, etc., etc. It would be nice if all this stuff could all be in the same format, and generated on the fly when needed (I've always thought the idea of separating man and cat pages, and deleting unused cat pages since they could always be reconstructed was a good way of doing things). - Prominently displays list of hardware that works / does not work on the box (or booklet attached to box but readable before buying) (tough to do). You might need a rather large booklet actually. :) But if you look at the lists, there are a lot of questions about such and such a thing, like Winmodems, wondering if or whether these will be supported. Having a bright red sticker on the box warning: doesn't work with Winmodems may be helpful, and it may not be. It might be better to have a few known working configurations, and steer the person in the direction of those configurations. (Scenario: user goes into computer store, gets a copy of this distribution. On the back cover is a suggested list of components - user goes around the store with a shopping cart, picks up the components, and takes it over to the service counter to be assembled.) The way to beat MS at their own game is to just not buy branded 'assembled' computer systems. After all, people have for a long time bought stereo components. - Starts (Free)Civ for a local single player game with one command (which starts client and server, starts game, and has a more about FreeCiv button that briefly explains that Civ on Linux includes a the hell with that -- I want Monopoly! :) Actually I was at my mom's house playing Parker Brothers' monopoly on a windows box yesterday -- it can be played either single player (with computerized opponents) or it can be quickly configured (separate menu option) to play multiplayer over the internet. And it's done as a single component, not (perhaps) haphazardly with different binaries with different options, depending on how you want to play. Randy Kramer David E. Fox
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Frank wrote: There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away I think you have many good ideas, but speaking as a Windows user who has recently installed Mandrake 8, it wasn't the large number of options that is the problem, but the unfinished business of the GUI after you get the thing installed. The first time I installed, I chose the default options for my own purposes and did not pick and choose individual programs. I reinstalled Linux in a couple of days because I felt I didn't know what was on the system. I've always done Custom Installs of all my Windows programs (including Windows itself!) and I don't like to depend on what other people think I should have. So I reinstalled Linux with a custom installation and went through the entire programs list in the Mandrake graphical installer. I was, frankly, much happier with that because I had a better idea of what was available and what I did and did not want. I think it would be fine for something like the Mandrake installer to offer an additional option called Basic that would include a pre-selected, limited number of programs. A user can always install others after using the system for a bit. The real problems come after you start using Linux--or trying to. I still haven't gotten my system set up to the stage where I can try some productivity apps for real. My current problem is getting my Type 1 and TrueType fonts installed and available to the programs I want to use. This is one of the roughest edges of Linux on the desktop. Its font handling is abstruse, unfriendly, poor, and just plain weird. It's totally different from Windows or the Mac. Where is something like Adobe Type Manager when we need it? Even in my Windows 3.0 days, my PostScript fonts were rasterized correctly for the screen and printer (PostScript or not) and they were available seamlessly to all my applications that were font-capable. I find it astonishing that fonts seem to be an afterthought on the Linux desktop. Gajillions of often-ugly screen fonts get installed. How can I dump them? All they do is make for a long font list of useless junk. It's hard to find the necessary information because context-sensitive help isn't here yet. Another example of something that is unacceptable as it stands now: the first time I tried to eject a Zip disk, it wouldn't go. First I got scared that it was stuck in the drive (an ATAPI internal). Then I thought I'd try doing an eject command in a console. Somehow that worked--I don't know how I figured out how to include the /mnt/zip qualifier. Eventually I kinda sorta figured out how to deal with Zip disks, which get mounted through the supermount feature in Mandrake 8, but still have to be unmounted by root in order to eject them. Doubtless, I could fix that up so user could do it--but I don't know how. I also don't know where to look and the directions would have to be in something other than geekspeak, which is probably an unrealistic expectation.g I could give you a list of other things that would quickly drive would-be users away, as you put it. I think they could all be solved, probably in short order if some distro truly wanted to appeal to Windows users who want to become Linux users but not techies. I don't think it's too many choices that drive people away, but an interface that is too thin and quickly leaves the unprepared user in the clutches of long, obscure command lines. This won't fly, folks. No matter how wonderful the underlying architecture is, it has to be easy to use to have a chance of succeeding as a desktop OS. --Judy Miner
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Two good ideas! Randy Kramer Franki wrote: Maybe a tiny floppy app, that can probe a windows system and give a report of what is likely to work with linux and what isn't ... then give heaps of the disks to mandrake resellers, so people can try one in thier computers before buying the winlinux distro just a thought, or you could make the same file downloadable on lotsa we sites.. would be handy to have a windows app that queries windows system/device-manager to look for compliant/non compliant devices and print a little report to screen...
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
On Sunday 01 July 2001 05:06 pm, Judith Miner wrote: Frank wrote: There is a HUGE need for a distro that doesn't offer so many options that it drives would be users away I think you have many good ideas, but speaking as a Windows user who has recently installed Mandrake 8, it wasn't the large number of options that is the problem, but the unfinished business of the GUI after you get the thing installed. The first time I installed, I chose the default options for my own purposes and did not pick and choose individual programs. I reinstalled Linux in a couple of days because I felt I didn't know what was on the system. I've always done Custom Installs of all my Windows programs (including Windows itself!) and I don't like to depend on what other people think I should have. So I reinstalled Linux with a custom installation and went through the entire programs list in the Mandrake graphical installer. I was, frankly, much happier with that because I had a better idea of what was available and what I did and did not want. I think it would be fine for something like the Mandrake installer to offer an additional option called Basic that would include a pre-selected, limited number of programs. A user can always install others after using the system for a bit. The real problems come after you start using Linux--or trying to. I still haven't gotten my system set up to the stage where I can try some productivity apps for real. My current problem is getting my Type 1 and TrueType fonts installed and available to the programs I want to use. This is one of the roughest edges of Linux on the desktop. Its font handling is abstruse, unfriendly, poor, and just plain weird. It's totally different from Windows or the Mac. Where is something like Adobe Type Manager when we need it? Even in my Windows 3.0 days, my PostScript fonts were rasterized correctly for the screen and printer (PostScript or not) and they were available seamlessly to all my applications that were font-capable. I find it astonishing that fonts seem to be an afterthought on the Linux desktop. Gajillions of often-ugly screen fonts get installed. How can I dump them? All they do is make for a long font list of useless junk. It's hard to find the necessary information because context-sensitive help isn't here yet. Another example of something that is unacceptable as it stands now: the first time I tried to eject a Zip disk, it wouldn't go. First I got scared that it was stuck in the drive (an ATAPI internal). Then I thought I'd try doing an eject command in a console. Somehow that worked--I don't know how I figured out how to include the /mnt/zip qualifier. Eventually I kinda sorta figured out how to deal with Zip disks, which get mounted through the supermount feature in Mandrake 8, but still have to be unmounted by root in order to eject them. Doubtless, I could fix that up so user could do it--but I don't know how. I also don't know where to look and the directions would have to be in something other than geekspeak, which is probably an unrealistic expectation.g I could give you a list of other things that would quickly drive would-be users away, as you put it. I think they could all be solved, probably in short order if some distro truly wanted to appeal to Windows users who want to become Linux users but not techies. I don't think it's too many choices that drive people away, but an interface that is too thin and quickly leaves the unprepared user in the clutches of long, obscure command lines. This won't fly, folks. No matter how wonderful the underlying architecture is, it has to be easy to use to have a chance of succeeding as a desktop OS. --Judy Miner Judy, A good portion of what you have mentioned has been covered in the Mandrake archives. People are working on these features and more than can mentioned in a few brief emails. Rather than stepping on the gas and trying to drive 100 miles an hour, I think it would be a good idea to get a good book on Linux, sit back and do some reading. Then, if you have additional questions, people would be more than happy to help you out. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Excellent answer! On Sunday 01 July 2001 20:29, Romanator wrote: Judy, A good portion of what you have mentioned has been covered in the Mandrake archives. People are working on these features and more than can mentioned in a few brief emails. Rather than stepping on the gas and trying to drive 100 miles an hour, I think it would be a good idea to get a good book on Linux, sit back and do some reading. Then, if you have additional questions, people would be more than happy to help you out. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Kmailer by Tux
RE: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Hi all, After hearing many people talk about how linux is not suitable for the desktop, I figured I'd add my 2 cents worth.. IF Linux was setup to default to only the same functionality and install options that windows has,, it would be really easy to install and just as easy to use... think about it.. take one mdk install, remove all servers and the multiple apps of the same apps, settle on one for each,, one word processor, one spreadsheet, one text editor,, one of everthing... settle on just Gnome or KDE, nothing else.. (probably KDE as its just that bit more like win blows to look at) no choice of console or X at boot, make it always boot to GUI... Wouldn't that make for a tiny, neat and efficient usable os for newbies?? then once they have the hang of it,, introduce them to the pleasures of a full distro... I had the idea to do that about 2 years ago... I wanted to make a linux intall based on redhat and make it as close in spec and appearance to windows, so as to make them feel at home.. long enough to get them hooked on linux... ( I know the purists amonst us would object to that as akin to removing the best features of linux, but think of how many something like that could lure away windoze users without scaring them off or making them feel inept...) because of its fixed contents, support would be a piece of cake,, no servers means more security and less hassles by default... and they could make a really pretty desktop with office folders and productivity folders and stuff like that.. and any windoze newbies could be up and running very fast... Corel seemed to be a good step in this equation, but they didn't go far enough,, they still offered way more then a windows install and it was good, but not as easy as windoze... a mandrake version would kick its ass... they could call it Mandrake Linux for Windows users. the power of linux with the ease of windows... that would grab windoze users who don't want to rent XP or whatever by the droves.. because all current linux distro's still offer so many packages on install, they will never make it look as simple to newbies.,... The differences are simple.. - winblows asks you if you want to install a notepad.. - Linux asks you how many different text editors you want to install, or worse, it asks you if you want to install a package by name, and that name is nothing a newbie would know or recognice or know. I honestly can't belive someone still hasn't released a massivly cutdown desktop release of linux (apart from offering it as in install chose, which isn't the same as its not known about until you are installing it.) It has so many extra featurs over windoze,, consider the following.. 1. It's cheaper by a large margin. 2. No expensive office package to buy. 3. Setting up dialup with kppp is actually easier then windoze by a good margin. 4. Completely upgradable.. package by package. 5. An app for every occasion... 6. far better stability and reliability with less overheads... The problem is that the people who put the linux distros together are not newbies. they are experianced programers for the most part,, so they can't imagine what its like for a newbie anymore... Here is what is needed.. 1. A current 2.4 kernel... 2. a poll to ask everyones opinion on what is the easiest most useful of each app type that should be included in this distro. 3. One of each app type only... use the above poll to determine what app should be chosen for each app type. 4. No servers included in this distro. 5. market it as linux for windoze users... the power of linux with the ease of windows. (that may not appeal to us, ,but it will appeal to windoze users..) 6. possibly even a file manager that calls / (c drive) /home (my docs) and /usr (prog files) and /proc (linux) and /mnt/floppy (a drive) /mnt/cdrom (d drive) to help them feel at home, although thats proably overkill... 7. you get the idea, the reason that linux isn't considered desktop material, is because noone has made it that way... because it cuts down on alot of the reasons that linux is great, but it should still be done because its the best way to lure disgruntled windoze users over to the greener pastures.. I wish I had the talent to do this,, I have a suspecision that it would quickly become the distro of choise for newbies, although they would no doubt change to a full distro once they got the hang of things, the full distro is what stops them trying in the first place think about it, and picture yourself as a complete linux newbie who has used windoze in its many variations over the years,, isn't that a nice easy way to introduce yourself to the concept of linux? MS were right in their approach, win95 98, Me and 2000 pro and now XP home... are all simple limited in choise installs that don't require any real knowlege to use and install... they have very few of the options of NT, NT server SBS 2000 server, 2000 advanced server ect as a result they don't suffer
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
Whoa, just to clarify my comment I meant nothing about Linux being suitable for the desktop or for the average user, whatever that might be. Just for the record I think of Linux as a much more sophisticated and complex OS than Windows and Mac. By no means do I think otherwise. It is not an easy click and go as can claim Mac. It isn't what most PC users use and care to know. I am glad it is exists as an option. But a standard would simplify Linux and create a large community among different distros as it started out to be. Now though it seems that they are all drifting apart. I have heard about this kind of suggestion and the vast majority of response are very angry in tone. I guess some don't like Linux being changed from what it is now. There are of course exceptions to every rule. Things are a little disorderly but I hope things will work themselves out.
Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
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Re: [newbie] curious .... My last comment on the subject.. Great suggestion for Mandrake.
remove all servers and the multiple apps of the same apps, settle on one for
each,, one word processor, one spreadsheet, one text editor,, one of
everthing...
I kind of like that idea. Peanut linux or other small distributions probably
already do something along that line -- if they can shoehorn linux+kde and
whatever else in 85 megs, that is. Everyone can tell there is just a lot of
duplication in any decent-sized distribution -- you've got kapps that
duplicate much of the xapps functionality -- just look at all the different
clock applets, editors, etc. It's easy to counter a question like How do
I edit a file in Linux with a dozen or more conflicting responses, all
custom-tailored to one of the different editors that is included.
no choice of console or X at boot, make it always boot to GUI...
Well, that in itself doesn't take up much extra disk space, but Mandrake
already boots to GUI. That's all right but to take it to another extreme
(login wizards that distort the idea of passwords and so forth, for instance)
is unwise. You can eliminate the extra window managers (or at least not
install them).
then once they have the hang of it,, introduce them to the pleasures of a
full distro...
Or just point out they can get their favorite extra stuff by installing
from the CD or what have you. I think you can do this without necessarily
going to a different distro -- just tailor the individual installation
functions to include one that basically says install basic working system;
however, that install must provide enough stuff as to make the system usable
without having to add a bunch of extra packages. For instance, Mandrake now
has workstation and development and some other install profiles (such as
server) but if one does a basic install of workstation he still needs to
bring in development stuff if he wants to (say) recompile a kernel -- but
it's possible to have the 'basic install' install components like the C
compiler development stuff, but not install other components like python,
perl, tcl, etc.
I had the idea to do that about 2 years ago... I wanted to make a linux
intall based on redhat and make it as close in spec and appearance to
You almost could have done that with fvwm95 :).
worse, it asks you if you want to install a package by name, and that name
is nothing a newbie would know or recognice or know.
I think you've made a very good point. Windows at least calls its notepad
'notepad.exe' so someone new can come to the system and say - aha - notepad
- that's what I want. emacs What does that do? In fact, Laura Conrad and I
were just diecussing this point recently. To the uninitiated, many of the
Linux names for programs are just something that somebody made up[1], sounds
cute (maybe in a language other than English) :) or what have you. Partly,
of course, this is because there are so many choices available. If you have
twelve editors, you can't just call one of them EDITOR and be done with
it :). I'm not suggesting renaming the linux utilities, of course, as that
would just be confusing as well. But a distribution aimed at novices could
just opt to install one of a set of editors and tell the user 'to edit files,
type edit' and edit could be a symlink to {vi,emacs,pico,...} if need be.
1. A current 2.4 kernel...
2. a poll to ask everyones opinion on what is the easiest most useful of
each app type that should be included in this distro.
3. One of each app type only... use the above poll to determine what app
should be chosen for each app type.
So far so good...some servers should be included, postfix / apache
probably for starters. No need for innd,postgresd, etc. Again, the
current installation profiles need to be tweaked - one shouldn't have
to go for a server install to get a few necessary (plus some that
aren't - depending on what you want to do) plus 'workstation' plus
'development' to get a basic workstation with some development and
server capability -- which I think is what many want.
5. market it as linux for windoze users... the power of linux with the ease
of windows. (that may not appeal to us, ,but it will appeal to windoze
users..)
As others have mentioned, that might not fly, but it certainly could be
marketed as an easier, gentler Linux while still maintaining the power
that's under the hood. It would still be Mandrake, or whatever distribution
one decides to use as a base. It just wouldn't present the new user with a
cornucopia of differing and (sometimes) conflicting packages.
6. possibly even a file manager that calls / (c drive) /home (my docs) and
/usr (prog files) and /proc (linux) and /mnt/floppy (a drive) /mnt/cdrom (d
I'd be against that because it unnecessary clouds that it's Unix under
the hood. If you want, you can already do that with symlinks, and MS likely
got the idea of my documents from /home anyway, since previous MS products
lacked completely the concept of a separate storage area for data.
[1] Disallowing
