Re: [newbie] networking advice
Another thing to mention about the 192.168.x.x IP addresses is that they are classed as private (non-routable on the Internet). Thus you can use them at home for internal netorks. Depending on the size of your internal network, you can use any of address ranges below. Class A private: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 Class B private: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 Class C private: 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 05:24, Bart Salien wrote: snip snip I agree with John s explanation , however 192.x.x.x to my knowledge is a class C network with a default mask of 24 = 255.255.255.0 class B ranges from 128.x.x.x/16 till 191.x.x.x/16 class C ranges from 192.x.x.x/24 till 223.x.x.x/24 For most home networks the default mask will be OK , and there is no need for further subnetting , it will only make it more complicated . Greetings , Bart. Thanks for your response! I guess I should be awake when I start to try to figure out a network :( -- Erik Linux User 288105 = Bill who? Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 02:59, John McQuillen wrote: snip There is no reason why you can't use an entire class C network at home for your 2,3 or 4 host network, besides, the private address range in use here is actually a class B (192.168.0.0/16) and there would be no problem using that either. It would just mean that you have one network and shit loads (256^2-2) of unique host addresses available. By using CIDR (Classless Inter Domain Routing) you ignore the native class of the network and adjust the mask to suit your requirements of unique networks/unique hosts. The tighter you make your mask (adding bits to the default class mask), the more unique networks you have available, while limiting the amount of unique hosts that you can have per network. By the way, your example is incorrect. A 29 bit mask (255.255.255.248) will give you 6 possible hosts with 0 being the network address, 6 hosts, and 7 being the broadcast address. The way I like to think of it is in lots of 256. 256-248=8, minus 2 for your network and broadcast addresses and you are left with 6 possible hosts. 256/8=32, so you would be able to have 32 separate networks with 6 hosts each. There is really no need to go to the trouble of subnetting to this extent, however, unless you have need for multiple networks. I hope that my explanation has been understandable :) Regards, John... Thanks, John! I do understand...and like your 'lots' of 256' example. Guess when I am trying to figure out networks, it would help if I was awake:( -- Erik Linux User 288105 = Bill who? Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 05:24, Bart Salien wrote: snip snip I agree with John s explanation , however 192.x.x.x to my knowledge is a class C network with a default mask of 24 = 255.255.255.0 class B ranges from 128.x.x.x/16 till 191.x.x.x/16 class C ranges from 192.x.x.x/24 till 223.x.x.x/24 For most home networks the default mask will be OK , and there is no need for further subnetting , it will only make it more complicated . Greetings , Bart. Thanks for your response! I guess I should be awake when I start to try to figure out a network :( -- Erik Linux User 288105 = Bill who? Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 18:12, Erik Farnsworth wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 10:45, teddy wl wrote: 1.for connecting all your PC you need ethernet card for every PC. configuring the IP address ex. 192.168.1.0/24 if you do not understand the IP you must read the basic of TCP/IP or i sugestion to you, to enter this address for your PC's : PC 1 : 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 PC 2: 192.168.1.2 netmask same above PC 3:192.168.1.3 netmask same above PC 4: 192.168.1.4 netmask same above I'm a little confused here. with the example above (and I admit that I have never worked with a home network that included Windows machines)... I would expect to see: network base address:192.168.1.0/29 or 192.168.1.0 netmask: 255.255.255.248 PC 1:192.168.1.1 PC 2:192.168.1.2 PC 3:192.168.1.3 PC 4:192.168.1.4 broadcast address: 192.168.1.5 I have seen several examples of networking as stated above by Teddy...but don't understand how that setup would be 'legal' (in the networking sense) and would work properly. I would expect a netmask of 255.255.255.0 for each of the machines would indicate that each machine was authoritative for an entire Class C network. I plan to set up my own home network soon (no windows machines, but several linux PCs and a mandrake iMac and an OS X iBook)...and I want to do it correctly, but without 'overkill'. Could someone with networking experience add a few cents to this, please? There is no reason why you can't use an entire class C network at home for your 2,3 or 4 host network, besides, the private address range in use here is actually a class B (192.168.0.0/16) and there would be no problem using that either. It would just mean that you have one network and shit loads (256^2-2) of unique host addresses available. By using CIDR (Classless Inter Domain Routing) you ignore the native class of the network and adjust the mask to suit your requirements of unique networks/unique hosts. The tighter you make your mask (adding bits to the default class mask), the more unique networks you have available, while limiting the amount of unique hosts that you can have per network. By the way, your example is incorrect. A 29 bit mask (255.255.255.248) will give you 6 possible hosts with 0 being the network address, 6 hosts, and 7 being the broadcast address. The way I like to think of it is in lots of 256. 256-248=8, minus 2 for your network and broadcast addresses and you are left with 6 possible hosts. 256/8=32, so you would be able to have 32 separate networks with 6 hosts each. There is really no need to go to the trouble of subnetting to this extent, however, unless you have need for multiple networks. I hope that my explanation has been understandable :) Regards, John... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
1.for connecting all your PC you need ethernet card for every PC. configuring the IP address ex. 192.168.1.0/24 if you do not understand the IP you must read the basic of TCP/IP or i sugestion to you, to enter this address for your PC's : PC 1 : 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 PC 2: 192.168.1.2 netmask same above PC 3:192.168.1.3 netmask same above PC 4: 192.168.1.4 netmask same above If your printer connected into you windows PC, you can configuring Samba in you other Linux PC. and you can use that printer for all PC. for modem, you just one is enough, if your modem connected into you Linux, you can use IP tables to share your modem connection to internet, or if your PC have installed mandrake you can configuring it with mandrake control center, there you can configuring your modem to share the connection to internet. I wish it can help you... i'm sorry my english and i wish you understan what i read Teddy W. Laksono Linux Power :)) --- L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 4 PCs. 3 on dual boot with linux and windows(98 or me)and one win98se. one has built in 8139 lan card. How should I go for networking these? 1)what is the optimum ways if I have to include a few more PCs. Dual boot ones can be made only linux ones. 2)what should I get in hardware? 3)How to go about in configuring software so that peripherals like printer, modem attached one can be used by other and files can be shared? As a newbie in networking i need initiation and advice -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 10:45, teddy wl wrote: 1.for connecting all your PC you need ethernet card for every PC. configuring the IP address ex. 192.168.1.0/24 if you do not understand the IP you must read the basic of TCP/IP or i sugestion to you, to enter this address for your PC's : PC 1 : 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 PC 2: 192.168.1.2 netmask same above PC 3:192.168.1.3 netmask same above PC 4: 192.168.1.4 netmask same above I'm a little confused here. with the example above (and I admit that I have never worked with a home network that included Windows machines)... I would expect to see: network base address:192.168.1.0/29 or 192.168.1.0 netmask: 255.255.255.248 PC 1:192.168.1.1 PC 2:192.168.1.2 PC 3:192.168.1.3 PC 4:192.168.1.4 broadcast address: 192.168.1.5 I have seen several examples of networking as stated above by Teddy...but don't understand how that setup would be 'legal' (in the networking sense) and would work properly. I would expect a netmask of 255.255.255.0 for each of the machines would indicate that each machine was authoritative for an entire Class C network. I plan to set up my own home network soon (no windows machines, but several linux PCs and a mandrake iMac and an OS X iBook)...and I want to do it correctly, but without 'overkill'. Could someone with networking experience add a few cents to this, please? TIA. -- Erik Linux User 288105 = Bill who? Micro what? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] networking advice
I have 4 PCs. 3 on dual boot with linux and windows(98 or me)and one win98se. one has built in 8139 lan card. How should I go for networking these? 1)what is the optimum ways if I have to include a few more PCs. Dual boot ones can be made only linux ones. 2)what should I get in hardware? 3)How to go about in configuring software so that peripherals like printer, modem attached one can be used by other and files can be shared? As a newbie in networking i need initiation and advice -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] networking advice
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 12:50, L.V.Gandhi wrote: I have 4 PCs. 3 on dual boot with linux and windows(98 or me)and one win98se. one has built in 8139 lan card. How should I go for networking these? 1)what is the optimum ways if I have to include a few more PCs. Dual boot ones can be made only linux ones. If you install/configure SAMBA (SMB) on the linux machines, and use regular Windows networking on the Windoze machines, you should be good to go. As long as you configure them all for the same workgroup... 2)what should I get in hardware? As long as your network cards are compatible cards - linux should pick them up right off the bat. The only hardware you'll need is either a hub or a switch...and how many machines would dictate how many ports you need... 3)How to go about in configuring software so that peripherals like printer, modem attached one can be used by other and files can be shared? As a newbie in networking i need initiation and advice Modem sharing is a wide area - but if you're talking about sharing your internet connection, you can do that from either linux or Windoze...sharing other devices - printers and hard drives - is rather easy in Windoze - but once again, you have to make sure to install/configure SAMBA in order to share with the Windoze machines... -- L.V.Gandhi Cheers! -- Fri Nov 8 13:30:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | A pig is a jolly companion, Boar, sow, barrow, or gilt -- A pig is a pal, who'll boost your morale, Though mountains may topple and tilt. When they've blackballed, bamboozled, and burned you, When they've turned on you, Tory and Whig, Though you may be thrown over by Tabby and Rover, You'll never go wrong with a pig, a pig, You'll never go wrong with a pig! -- Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] networking advice
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