RE: [newbie] really really out of topic
I'm interested Sridhar, where did you hear about XP throttling bandwidth down to save some for talking to M$ servers?? thats something that people should know about. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] really really out of topic On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:08:15 +0800, Sean Goh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, so what's the deal with saying that the video card has 32mb of ram when it needs to use the system RAM??? Simple: you probably don't have a real video card. In fact, you probably have some kind of embedded graphics chip on your motherboard (or integrated into your CPU chipset). These things are cheap-'n'-nasty, and are often included in low-cost (i.e. cheap) PCs. They don't have any memory of their own; instead they leech off your system RAM. That way, the system vendor can say our machine has 64MB of RAM, when the fact is that you lose much of that to the video chipset. The same thing is happening to hard drives nowadays. Many machines preinstalled with WinXP have several gigabytes set aside for system recovery and backups (the 'rollback' feature). Many don't even come with a Windows CD, instead relying on this hidden partition. If you accidentally wipe that data, you're screwed. The vendor can still say our drives are 30GB when you can only use 20GB of that. I hear that Windows XP does a similar thing with network bandwidth, reserving 10-20% for itself so it can communicate with MS servers behind your back. I don't know what it uses that bandwidth for, but it's enough to put me off MS products for good (not that I liked them before). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- informal Xerox PARC slogan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
It was a while ago, so I can't remember exactly where I got it. At a guess, it was probably The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk) or The Inquirer (http://www.theinquirer.net). On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:52:46 +0800, Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested Sridhar, where did you hear about XP throttling bandwidth down to save some for talking to M$ servers?? thats something that people should know about. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] really really out of topic On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:08:15 +0800, Sean Goh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, so what's the deal with saying that the video card has 32mb of ram when it needs to use the system RAM??? Simple: you probably don't have a real video card. In fact, you probably have some kind of embedded graphics chip on your motherboard (or integrated into your CPU chipset). These things are cheap-'n'-nasty, and are often included in low-cost (i.e. cheap) PCs. They don't have any memory of their own; instead they leech off your system RAM. That way, the system vendor can say our machine has 64MB of RAM, when the fact is that you lose much of that to the video chipset. The same thing is happening to hard drives nowadays. Many machines preinstalled with WinXP have several gigabytes set aside for system recovery and backups (the 'rollback' feature). Many don't even come with a Windows CD, instead relying on this hidden partition. If you accidentally wipe that data, you're screwed. The vendor can still say our drives are 30GB when you can only use 20GB of that. I hear that Windows XP does a similar thing with network bandwidth, reserving 10-20% for itself so it can communicate with MS servers behind your back. I don't know what it uses that bandwidth for, but it's enough to put me off MS products for good (not that I liked them before). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us. -- Western Union internal memo, 1876. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 11:08 pm, you wrote: ok, so what's the deal with saying that the video card has 32mb of ram when it needs to use the system RAM??? Sean the video chip section will then use 32 megs of ram and will have that much less ram available for the system so when you specify the amount of ram you will need to subtract the amount of ram for video (128 - 32= 96). I always add a couple of megs to the no=longer avail to system ram (video) to be sure that it can all be read, so when I start the install on this MoBo, I would hit f1 (instead of enter when asked install or upgrade hit enter, or f1 for more options) and type mem=94 then hit enter Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] really really out of topic
Hi guys, I'm using 128 mb ram and when i boot up it says in parenthesis that 64mb is shared. When i booted to windows, it says i have 64mb ram. So i tot i'd try to disable the shared by going to Bios. After i exited and lo and behold, i don't get no text on my comp...it's a complete blank!!! Now i'm so frustrated with my new computer and i already took out the battery for 30 mins and put it back in and still nothing!! Help i'm really desperate! I just want to install Linux and all this had to happen. Regards, Sean Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] really really out of topic
You have an onboard video card don't you? Most of the new onboard video cards uses system RAM as video memory. So, if you say to the BIOS that you have a 64megs video card, then it will take 64megs of your 128 megs of system ram as video memory. If you already disabled the shared memory, you disabled your onboard video card. If you want to fix this without having to buy an add-on video card, read your motherboard documentation on how to restore the BIOS to default setings (usually by setting a jumper on the motherboard). Be sure to do exactly what the documentation sais. Jumping the wrong thing may break your motherboard... Albert Charron Trisotech Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Sean Goh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] really really out of topic Hi guys, I'm using 128 mb ram and when i boot up it says in parenthesis that 64mb is shared. When i booted to windows, it says i have 64mb ram. So i tot i'd try to disable the shared by going to Bios. After i exited and lo and behold, i don't get no text on my comp...it's a complete blank!!! Now i'm so frustrated with my new computer and i already took out the battery for 30 mins and put it back in and still nothing!! Help i'm really desperate! I just want to install Linux and all this had to happen. Regards, Sean Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:50, Sean Goh wrote: Hi guys, I'm using 128 mb ram and when i boot up it says in parenthesis that 64mb is shared. When i booted to windows, it says i have 64mb ram. So i tot i'd try to disable the shared by going to Bios. After i exited and lo and behold, i don't get no text on my comp...it's a complete blank!!! Now i'm so frustrated with my new computer and i already took out the battery for 30 mins and put it back in and still nothing!! Help i'm really desperate! I just want to install Linux and all this had to happen. Regards, Sean ~~ Out of Topic? What was the topic? Sean are you using on-board graphics with this new computer and is it using 64 MB of your 128 as video RAM? If so you won't have a display if you don't allow the graphics chipset to use the physical memory. You have a couple choices; Disable on-board graphics processor and install an actual graphics adapter (video card), or; Increase the hell out of the available physical memory (if you're using any 9X version of Windows the maximum is 512 MB without doing some serious registry hacking) and leave the graphics chipset using the 64 MB it's set for while the system uses the rest for data manipulation other than display, or; increase the memory but buy a graphics adapter anyway. This is the option I would tend to follow since increased memory with any GNU/Linux distribution is always a Good Thing. My true advice would be for you to take the box back where you bought it and ask them to do one of these things for you. You don't want an unusable machine and you don't want to hurt yourself; now do you? ;) What's the topic now? :-) HTH; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Suffocating together ... would create heroic camaraderie. -- Khan Noonian Singh, Space Seed, stardate 3142.8 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
On Tuesday 20 August 2002 19:52, Joseph Braddock wrote: snip He should also be able to go into the BIOS setup and reduce the amount of shared RAM for the onboard video, like, say 8MB or 16MB. It wasn't too long ago that a 16MB AGP video card was state of the art! Joe ~~~ You're probably correct Joe, but some of the value boards don't have that much built in flexibilty. Depends on which chipset and what BIOS is used. I guess it's just proof that a person should identify the hardware in question before asking questions like the one we were trying to help with. I forgot that may be a possibility. :( I'm still using one of those 'state of the art' video cards until I build my new system. A Creative Riva TNT 16 MB. It wasn't bad for the time when I bought it, but it sorta/kinda sucks now. :-) -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org I like young girls. Their stories are shorter. -- Tom McGuane Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
ok, so what's the deal with saying that the video card has 32mb of ram when it needs to use the system RAM??? Sean -- ...if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. - 2 Chron 7:14 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] really really out of topic
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:08:15 +0800, Sean Goh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, so what's the deal with saying that the video card has 32mb of ram when it needs to use the system RAM??? Simple: you probably don't have a real video card. In fact, you probably have some kind of embedded graphics chip on your motherboard (or integrated into your CPU chipset). These things are cheap-'n'-nasty, and are often included in low-cost (i.e. cheap) PCs. They don't have any memory of their own; instead they leech off your system RAM. That way, the system vendor can say our machine has 64MB of RAM, when the fact is that you lose much of that to the video chipset. The same thing is happening to hard drives nowadays. Many machines preinstalled with WinXP have several gigabytes set aside for system recovery and backups (the 'rollback' feature). Many don't even come with a Windows CD, instead relying on this hidden partition. If you accidentally wipe that data, you're screwed. The vendor can still say our drives are 30GB when you can only use 20GB of that. I hear that Windows XP does a similar thing with network bandwidth, reserving 10-20% for itself so it can communicate with MS servers behind your back. I don't know what it uses that bandwidth for, but it's enough to put me off MS products for good (not that I liked them before). -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The best way to predict the future is to invent it. -- informal Xerox PARC slogan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
