[newbie] suggestion to mdk developers
when i click on removable media icon selecting unmount or eject but the media is still in use and it cannot be unmounted/ejected the new window apears with information about Device in use. that's just fine but there should be like /sbin/fuser -v /dev/scd0 and it should list processes which are bothering cdrom or it could even give an option to kill these process(es). many times mdk-newbie doesn't have a clue about fuser program and would simply like to get the cd out of the drive. maybe this is more windows like approach, but what's bad about it?? please, write what you think about this and eventually how to let mdk developers know. thanks. cheers, joe riha (mdk 9 user) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] suggestion to mdk developers
when i click on removable media icon selecting unmount or eject but the media is still in use and it cannot be unmounted/ejected the new window apears with information about Device in use. that's just fine but there should be like /sbin/fuser -v /dev/scd0 and it should list processes which are bothering cdrom or it could even give an option to kill these process(es). many times mdk-newbie doesn't have a clue about fuser program and would simply like to get the cd out of the drive. maybe this is more windows like approach, but what's bad about it?? please, write what you think about this and eventually how to let mdk developers know. thanks. cheers, joe riha (mdk 9 user) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggestion for Mozilla for next Mandrake distribution
I figure this isn't the proper place for this, but maybe the right people will see it or forward it to Mandrake. I have a suggestion for Mandrake on a change to the Mozilla they ship with Mandrake. It would be really nice if a link for www.mandrakelinux.com was included in the personal toolbar of Mozilla. I know it can be easily added, but it shouldn't have to be. If a link could also be added for MandrakeClub, that would be even better, yet. Finally, what is the official way to make suggestions to Mandrake? Joe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Suggestion to Mandrake
On Friday 26 October 2001 6:52 pm, you wrote: Hi... Guys, am I right to say that when user interface is being tested, so far, it is the techies that are doing the testing and evaluating about the user friendlyness of the OS and about the control you have over ur system. I think u guys should now start involving home users, users that aren't even familiar with windows interface, and get their evaluation, to provide the experience that home users are looking for, and yet provide the control that techies are looking for... Why? because for me, Mandrake 8.1, was a bad impression, because I change the default shell to Cshell, and yet, all the basics commands like ls are not working... I still haven't solve that as I'm having exams... but got a lot of help from Tim and Steve... but if u really want to see Mandrake or Linux win over markets dominated by microsoft, it's time to involve the home users whom are equally important if not more, as techies made up only a small fraction of computer users. Let's work together to make Microsoft wake up its idea... -- Mandrake has a network of some 75 crashtesters based all over the world, these are not techies employed by Mandrake, they are ordinary users who have volunteered their time to test new releases/products etc. The benefit of this is that software is tested on a range of hardware rather than just the equipment available within Mandrake and it is tested by people whose skill and knowledge also varies - there are those who have a great deal of knowledge and some (such as me) who have a lesser amount of knowledge. This means that some things which would be obvious to a techie are not immediately obvious to an ordinary user and Mandrake are given the ordinary users feedback, suggestions are made and taken on board ( Xtart came about as a result of a problem encountered by one Crashtester). Crashtesters began with 8.0, continued with 8.1 and they are currently being tasked with testing in areas which are of specific interest to them, e.g. installation, networking, office products, Lilo Grub, commercial packages etc. Poogle Registered Linux user 182657 (added to sig for the benefit of those irritated by it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggestion to Mandrake
Hi... Guys, am I right to say that when user interface is being tested, so far, it is the techies that are doing the testing and evaluating about the user friendlyness of the OS and about the control you have over ur system. I think u guys should now start involving home users, users that aren't even familiar with windows interface, and get their evaluation, to provide the experience that home users are looking for, and yet provide the control that techies are looking for... Why? because for me, Mandrake 8.1, was a bad impression, because I change the default shell to Cshell, and yet, all the basics commands like ls are not working... I still haven't solve that as I'm having exams... but got a lot of help from Tim and Steve... but if u really want to see Mandrake or Linux win over markets dominated by microsoft, it's time to involve the home users whom are equally important if not more, as techies made up only a small fraction of computer users. Let's work together to make Microsoft wake up its idea... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Suggestion to Mandrake
I agree 10,000% - I've been saying this for about a year now (since being heavily involved with linux). The typcial response to this is hey, it's open source, you should participate in the testing and give your feedback to Mandrake which is great, but like you I would like to see more formal users group tests. However, this all comes back down to money. One rumour I heard was the the Mandrake development team is comprised of 6 guys slaving away (don't know how true this is), but most certainly they don't have the resources to do full user testing. How about this though? Would anyone like to see a Mandrake User's Group conference kind of like they do for business folks like Nortel and Cisco. If you've never heard of or been to one its usually a 2 or 3 day conference when a company (like Mandrake for example) reserves a big hotel room and they have these really (hopefully) intensive question and answer sessions directly with the users. It's usually kind of pricey but can be pretty cool. Another spin on this would be to have local LUGs host formal user testing sessions with Jane and John Doe. It could be quite cool, for example, you could ask your public library if you could set up 3 or 4 systems in one of their conference rooms one weekend and have an open QA systems testing and do some formal data gathering to report back to Mandrake. This not only would help Mandrake out but could also expose the public to linux even more (which could be a good and a bad thing -- it might turn some folks off real fast). If there is anyone out there that knows how to do formal user interface QA testing I'd be interesting in knowing how to do that. Also, the areas the need to be QA'd from a non-techie user point of view . For example: - system installation - using the office products - using internet products - basic system configuration 101 that everyone needs to know (what would that entail?) - (what else?) Anyway, just some of my thoughts... ps: my thought it Mandrake already knows where the short commings are but just don't have the time and or money resources to address them, so they just give it their best effort. -Original Message- From: Loke Kit Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:52 PM To: Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject: [newbie] Suggestion to Mandrake Hi... Guys, am I right to say that when user interface is being tested, so far, it is the techies that are doing the testing and evaluating about the user friendlyness of the OS and about the control you have over ur system. I think u guys should now start involving home users, users that aren't even familiar with windows interface, and get their evaluation, to provide the experience that home users are looking for, and yet provide the control that techies are looking for... Why? because for me, Mandrake 8.1, was a bad impression, because I change the default shell to Cshell, and yet, all the basics commands like ls are not working... I still haven't solve that as I'm having exams... but got a lot of help from Tim and Steve... but if u really want to see Mandrake or Linux win over markets dominated by microsoft, it's time to involve the home users whom are equally important if not more, as techies made up only a small fraction of computer users. Let's work together to make Microsoft wake up its idea... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggestion For A message Footer
Denis, As mostly a lurker I observe a fairly constant stream of requests to "Un-Sub-Scribe" (reserved word??) from readers who wish to leave, depart, resign, give up, etc. I watch several user groups and note that a number add a footer to every outgoing message from the mailserver which tells the recipient how to depart gracefully. Two in particular are worth a 'look-at' - Pronto and Mysql. Cheers John === Home of the Americas Cup MSer's of the world ignite!!! ===
Re: [newbie] suggestion
:~Man, this is getting ridiculous... :~everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... Unsubscribe and use mail-archives. (No, you cannot have it and eat it, sorry) Denis - Mag^H^H^HDr. Denis Havlik http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austria(@ @) tel: (++431) 4277/51179 ---oOO--(_)--OOo-
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Ummm - you subscribed to this list didn't you? You want to learn how to use and administer your Linux box don't you? Well, so did everony else in here. The questions you see are problems being encountered by all the people in here, and occasinally, you get a success story and a solution for that particular problem. We aren't asking you and questions but if you see anything you can answer, feel free to reply and tell us all how you solved it! If the amount of mail is overwhelming you, unsubscribe. Why DID you subscribe to this list? Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22/02/2000 18:17:02 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: Re: [newbie] suggestion Newbie, I feel like I'm being spammed. Every time I sign on I have tons of Linux messages that ask me questions I don't understand. I am not a Linux expert, so I wish they would knock it off. robseroquel
Re: [newbie] suggestion
On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 06:12:26AM -0600, Jeanette Russo wrote: I think we are going a bit far here if a quick thank you is not acceptable. People need to start enjoying yourself a little. Live a little and don't sweat the small stuff :-) Jeanette At 03:55 AM 2/23/2000 +0100, Rial Juan wrote: And how about people stop saying things like "Thank you, I followed your advice and it worked" [ ... SNIP ... ] I have to strongly disagree with Rial Juan. Saying "Thank you, I followed your advice and it worked" is not only polite, but it is also *very* usefull for the people on this list. Many people on this list are only reading it, because they are too shy or whatever. And with a "Thank you, I followed your advice and it worked" they now know how to solve a problem they might have. It is also usefull for the person who actually gave the advice. He knows if it works or not on a maybe different configuration. Rial Juan, maybe this list is not suited for you. But please don't change its rules. Feedback is always needed. Regards, DindinX -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] suggestion
:- :-And how about people stop saying things like "Thank you, I followed your :-advice :-and it worked" or "Mandrake is a great distro" or other ridiculus stuff like :-that on the list? If someone helped you out, you can thank him in a private :-mail. If you think mandrake is a great distro, nice. So do most people on :-this Hi Thanking for someones help is good. Besides, it helps everyone who happens to get the same problem later, and searches trough the archive. "Thx, it worked" message (maybe even a bit more details) on the end of a problem-solving procedure is a Very Good Sign (tm). cu Denis
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Unsubscribe if it's too much for you. If you have a question, then you can email the list but ask the person to cc it to you. - Original Message - From: "Kit" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mandrake Linux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [newbie] suggestion Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7)
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Newbie, I feel like I'm being spammed. Every time I sign on I have tons of Linux messages that ask me questions I don't understand. I am not a Linux expert, so I wish they would knock it off. robseroquel
RE: [newbie] suggestion
You have subscribed to a high volume mailing list . what did you expect ??? Ingo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] suggestion Newbie, I feel like I'm being spammed. Every time I sign on I have tons of Linux messages that ask me questions I don't understand. I am not a Linux expert, so I wish they would knock it off. robseroquel application/ms-tnef
RE: [newbie] suggestion
retard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] suggestion Newbie, I feel like I'm being spammed. Every time I sign on I have tons of Linux messages that ask me questions I don't understand. I am not a Linux expert, so I wish they would knock it off. robseroquel
Re: [newbie] suggestion
And how about people stop saying things like "Thank you, I followed your advice and it worked" or "Mandrake is a great distro" or other ridiculus stuff like that on the list? If someone helped you out, you can thank him in a private mail. If you think mandrake is a great distro, nice. So do most people on this list, so you're telling us nothing new or interresting. What are you all? A bunch of internet-newbies exploring the wonders of electronic mail? Why not send in some chain-letters and silly jokes as well, while you're at it? If you're looking for a way to get famous, spamming mailing lists is not the way to go. Start up a rockband or shoot some sick adult movies with you and a donkey on LSD in the lead roles. And last but not least READ YOUR FRIGGING SUBSCRIPTION CONFIRMATION MAILS on how to unsubscribe. I'm tired of getting these stupid mails in my mailbox. Ok, so this _IS_ a newbie list, but come on... Newbie doesn't necessarily have to mean stupid, ignorant or idiot. I have nothing against high-traffic mailing lists since I skim these lists anyway, deleting all uninterresting mail prior to reading anything. But the silly stuff that passes by on this list is really really sickening. A little bit of netiquette would be nice, people. On Feb 22 Shane T. Ferguson wrote: Unsubscribe if it's too much for you. If you have a question, then you can email the list but ask the person to cc it to you. - Original Message - From: "Kit" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mandrake Linux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [newbie] suggestion Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7) -- Rial Juan http://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumtel: (++32) 89/856533 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org Unix IS user-friendly. It's just not ignorant-friendly or idiot-friendly.
[newbie] suggestion
Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7)
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Its a sign of the times plus growing popularity, thats what you get when you give a good thing away! - Original Message - From: "Kit" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Mandrake Linux" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [newbie] suggestion Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7)
Re: [newbie] suggestion
I think a lot of the people that actually answer the messages won't go there... just a thought. DvB On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Kit wrote: Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7)
Re: [newbie] suggestion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, you wrote: Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7) Maybe the reason your getting tons of Linux newbie mailings is because this is a Linux newbie mailing list. -- "The linux philosophy is laugh in the face of danger. Oops, Wrong one `Do it yourself.' That's it." L.Torvalds -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.1 iQA/AwUBOLHXHDSDOYZYZiV2EQLHBgCg2buTyrWv7zPjIyXkQAxjhBzqZ3MAn3J4 f82b3h72EEc7iUbW3d6p1xQY =qMgy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Geee, maybe a digest, like the one that is available in the pulldown menu at the website for signing up to the list? From: Kit [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: KompuKit Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:20:27 -0500 To: Mandrake Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] suggestion Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ# 7110071 HomePage: http://kwg.virtualave.net/kwg http://kompukit.dyndns.org (personal webserver,does NOT run 24/7)
Re: [newbie] suggestion
Kit wrote: Man, this is getting ridiculous... everytime I check my mailI get tons of linux newbie list mailings... I think we should ask for a private chatroom for newbies...so that we enter when we want and not have to put up with so many mailings...all the time...what do you think? I think you should unsubscribe if you are bothered by the messages. Cheers John Montgomery
[newbie] Suggestion
Could the keeper of the "FAQ" post it in here once a week, perhaps? This might cut down on answering the same questions over and over again. :-) As someone was good enough to point out, although the FAQ is kept on the web site, not everyone installs X on their machine, or really even knows where to go to look for it! Just an idea... John
