Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
I got KDE2.2.2 installed! I used linuxconf to do the install. You can specify to install all of the rpms in a given directory. After downloading all of the files and I had no real problems upgrading to kde2.2.2 after I found that going to the KDE ftp site and getting the 2.2.2 rpms was a better idea than getting the 2.2.2 rpms off of a cooker mirror as I had originally tried. I just recently did a new hd install of 8.1, after having 7.2 in place for nearly a year :). The download did take a while, even though I have DSL. But I had already installed KDE from 8.1, so the upgrade wasn't all that hard -- doing it manually though. One just has to install or upgrade the components in the proper order, and it helps to install or upgrade the dependents (such as libraries) first before upgrading the other components, and to install the base and devel packages together (or you get mutual dependency problems). I even did some upgrading via the package manager (uprmi or whatever it's called.) It's n ok tool but I still see issues with dependencies (you d/l a package, find out that it needs something else, so you go and d/l that too ad infinitum). And in one instance it gobbled up all my RAM and nearly all my swap (256m/300+ of swap) :(. And I'm (finally) convering my filesystems to reiserfs :) Grant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:49 pm, you wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? I'm just about ready to give up on Mandrake. First time it agressively overwrote a windows dist, and this upgrade joke is even worse. For you, go RED HAT 7.2, as I have experience getting that working on a SIS board with all built-in SIS stuff. The only thing not working is accellerated video. My 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade lost half my prefs, now tries to mount a floppy twice upon bootup, and renamed all my groups from 'users' to numbers, which causes an error every time I bring up a terminal. Has *anybody* had ANY luck with this supposed upgrade? 30-35 packages failed to 'upgrade' without any explanation why, all on disk2. Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning M8.0 dist, with working Xv and Xine, today I have a crap M8.1 dist with holes, and Xine won't even run in Xv mode. I'm disgusted as well, is there a M$ mole on the upgrade team? You did backup your system before doing an OS upgrade... right?!? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
On Thursday 29 November 2001 17:17, you wrote: On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:49 pm, you wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? I'm just about ready to give up on Mandrake. First time it agressively overwrote a windows dist, and this upgrade joke is even worse. For you, go RED HAT 7.2, as I have experience getting that working on a SIS board with all built-in SIS stuff. The only thing not working is accellerated video. My 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade lost half my prefs, now tries to mount a floppy twice upon bootup, and renamed all my groups from 'users' to numbers, which causes an error every time I bring up a terminal. Has *anybody* had ANY luck with this supposed upgrade? 30-35 packages failed to 'upgrade' without any explanation why, all on disk2. Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning M8.0 dist, with working Xv and Xine, today I have a crap M8.1 dist with holes, and Xine won't even run in Xv mode. I'm disgusted as well, is there a M$ mole on the upgrade team? You did backup your system before doing an OS upgrade... right?!? It is best not to use upgrade on the installation disks when going from a lower distribution to a newer one. The best thing to do is an expert install and know before hand the partition you have on your disk as /home. i.e. /home is hda6 on my hard drive. Then when you make the change from one such as 7.2 to 8.1 use the same partitions and do not reformat /home when it indicates what partitions will be formatted. If the /home partition is yellow click on it to make it no color and then let the install format the other partitions. You then have all your old info like bookmarks and address book but a new OS on the machine. Even this is not 100% satisfactory but it is better than totally reformatting and starting from scratch. The other way is to make a seperate partition as a back up for /home and call it say /backhome and then reformat everything but backhome. You can then go into backhome and get your lbookmarks etc and place them in home and voila a whole new world. HTH -- Dennis M. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
Thanks for the tip. No I havent backed it up. No point. I've spent so much time tinkering with the OS I haven't actually found a use for the computer. Played a few games of freeciv. Cant play tuxracer, opengl not supported. Ive upgraded the kernel, and lots of other things. I even managed to pound xfree86-4.1x into it. Cant use it though. When I go to change the display properties it still only lets me choose between xfree 3.3.6 and 4.0.3. My scanner is not supported and sound will not work. To get my computer to run well under linux I need an new video card (SiS = bad), sound card (crystal audio codec is an unknown device), Scanner (Mag = twain only) and a new monitor (VeiwSonic 15es has the wrong refresh rate ???) So far this free software has cost me $60. I'm not worried about reformating, I've already done it 5 times. Apparently Mandrake does not yet support upgrading to kde222. They have some use at your own risk info http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=1418mode=threadorder=0thold=0 On November 29, 2001 03:52 pm, you wrote: On Thursday 29 November 2001 17:17, you wrote: On Wednesday 28 November 2001 12:49 pm, you wrote: On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? I'm just about ready to give up on Mandrake. First time it agressively overwrote a windows dist, and this upgrade joke is even worse. For you, go RED HAT 7.2, as I have experience getting that working on a SIS board with all built-in SIS stuff. The only thing not working is accellerated video. My 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade lost half my prefs, now tries to mount a floppy twice upon bootup, and renamed all my groups from 'users' to numbers, which causes an error every time I bring up a terminal. Has *anybody* had ANY luck with this supposed upgrade? 30-35 packages failed to 'upgrade' without any explanation why, all on disk2. Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning M8.0 dist, with working Xv and Xine, today I have a crap M8.1 dist with holes, and Xine won't even run in Xv mode. I'm disgusted as well, is there a M$ mole on the upgrade team? You did backup your system before doing an OS upgrade... right?!? It is best not to use upgrade on the installation disks when going from a lower distribution to a newer one. The best thing to do is an expert install and know before hand the partition you have on your disk as /home. i.e. /home is hda6 on my hard drive. Then when you make the change from one such as 7.2 to 8.1 use the same partitions and do not reformat /home when it indicates what partitions will be formatted. If the /home partition is yellow click on it to make it no color and then let the install format the other partitions. You then have all your old info like bookmarks and address book but a new OS on the machine. Even this is not 100% satisfactory but it is better than totally reformatting and starting from scratch. The other way is to make a seperate partition as a back up for /home and call it say /backhome and then reformat everything but backhome. You can then go into backhome and get your lbookmarks etc and place them in home and voila a whole new world. HTH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? Grant. Grant: You can buy the CD's from cheapbytes. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
Grant; a couple of tips here. First, if your downlad speeds are that slow, try a different FTP site. On cablemodem, I usually hit speeds over 100kbps., and so should you. If your download is slow, it's probably because your connected to an FTP site that is really busy. Second, when you do the KDE 2.2.2 upgrade, login using a different desktop environmant like Gnome, then open the Mandrake Control Center/Software Manager, and do the updates from there. If you download the updates and KEEP them on your hard drive, you can define the folder which holds the updates as a source location for the updates. That way you're not downloading them again. I just did the updates exactly as I described, and it's running perfectly (so far). Hope that helps? Lanman On Wednesday 28 November 2001 09:35 am, you wrote: Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? Grant. Grant: You can buy the CD's from cheapbytes. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Carroll Grigsby wrote: Grant Fraser wrote: I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? I'm just about ready to give up on Mandrake. First time it agressively overwrote a windows dist, and this upgrade joke is even worse. For you, go RED HAT 7.2, as I have experience getting that working on a SIS board with all built-in SIS stuff. The only thing not working is accellerated video. My 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade lost half my prefs, now tries to mount a floppy twice upon bootup, and renamed all my groups from 'users' to numbers, which causes an error every time I bring up a terminal. Has *anybody* had ANY luck with this supposed upgrade? 30-35 packages failed to 'upgrade' without any explanation why, all on disk2. Yesterday I had a perfectly functioning M8.0 dist, with working Xv and Xine, today I have a crap M8.1 dist with holes, and Xine won't even run in Xv mode. I'm disgusted as well, is there a M$ mole on the upgrade team? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] upgrading 8.0 to 8.1
I give up trying to upgrade a piece at a time. When trying to upgrade to KDE 2.2.2 I found that it wanted me to install setup which conflicts with bash and I cant force it. Is there an 8.1 upgrade disk? even with cable internet it still takes 10 hours to download one ISO. The last time I tried to do that I just got bad disks and actually had to go out and pay money for an OS. I may even have to give up on linux altogether. No sound, crappy video, no opengl support. Can you say SIS Chipset? Grant. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
