Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER
John Richard Smith wrote: On Saturday 23 February 2002 02:19, you wrote: Hello George , your on the right track. You see the above creates the correct files and their text entries , after exiting VI , I cat the files and the new enties are there, but rebooting simply removes them, they disappear, fstab returns to old text, and lilo.conf is deleted. That is why they don't boot. john, as we have tended to agree, something is getting blown away, and from this, you have, in my opinion, confirmed this. so, as a suggestion, more experience with installations... because things are being as they are and you are not getting what you want from 'default' install, do not do a multi partition install. something is squirrel ing multi partition install and instead of continuing in that direction, reinstall on a single partition and _install_lilo_ instead of grub. as i said before, lilo is proven, grub is new and needs to age. personally, i think biggest problem with grub, is they are trying to make grub a 'super loader' and from what i have experienced with it and read in bug-grub post, there are too many folks trying to use grub and are having trouble with it. granted, there are a lot of installs made with grub and they work. but to me, there are too many that do not work. i tried a multi partition with lm7.1 and it was screwed up, so i did a reinstall to a single partition and it worked fine. because of that, i install lm8.0 to a single partition and it worked fine also. when i install lm8.1, i will make it a single partition install, after which, i will spread it across several partitions. i would bet that if a survey was made of this list, most would report they use lilo because of problems with grub. i may be wrong. i wish i could give you a more positive answer to your problem, but i am now tending to believe that either you have a bad download, or there is some sort of incompatibility with your hardware and it is causing you problems. good luck. let us know what you decide. tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email, text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 12:01, you wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Hello George, Thanks, I am afraid there is no /etc/lilo.conf, drakeX failed to create one. So, just to prove a point to myself I did LM8.1 re-install all over again, but this time I insisted drakX install Lilo instead of Grub. The result is absolutely identicle. as in you can boot w2k and not boot into linux? something is getting trash bad like. Maybe, I thought, I seem to remember reading somewhere, that one of the bugbears of windows is that it insists on being the first partition on any hard drive. w3.11, w4wg3.11, yes. w98, w98, no. on this and another box, w98 is on second partition. w2k, me, nt, no personal experience with, do not know or recall any post with statements to effect. so... read over next before doing. i erred at start of last, this i have stepped thru and should be correct. +++ boot lm8.1 cd, at start screen, press 'f1' function, at command line text prompt, enter 'rescue', press enter. after boot, at command line; cd /etc cp fstab fstab.org vi fstab insert line; /dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults 1 1 [note: this sets up for following mount] write and quit vi. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk cd /mnt/disk/etc cp fstab fstab.org vi fstab with exception of ' / ' for /dev/hda6, check to be sure that spaces are before '/' as; /dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts mode = 0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmps defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec, \ codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec, \ codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-2,umask=0,sync, \ codepage-850,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd1 /mnt/floppy2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,syn,exec, \ codepage=850,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 [note: '\' denotes line continued on next line] to gain ready access to other partitions, insert these lines; /dev/hda8 /hda/8 ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda3 /w2k/c ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 /w2k/d ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda9 /w2k/e ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda10 /w2k/f ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda11 /w2k/g ntfs defaults 0 0 write and quit vi. cp fstab fstab.001 cp lilo.conf lilo.conf.org vi lilo.conf edit lilo.conf to something like following; boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b default=md81 keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=100 message=/boot/message-graphic menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=md81 root=/dev/hda6 vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hda6 append= failsafe read-only other=/dev/hda3 label=w2k table=/dev/hda +++ on what part of earth do you reside? tc,hago. g . George, Well , It's a long story, stimulated by your suggestions I soon found that I new too little about the vi editor programme ,and had to do some investigation first , just so that I could save and exit it, and indeed simply how to create a file where you wanted it. Never mind though, I did learn this in the end . First I re - wrote the /etc/fstab and etc/lilo.config files having learnt how to create the file in /etc directory. Second I re - wrote the /boot/grub/menu.lst as you suggested. All of this has so far accomplished nothing by way of success. I guess there is something else wrong as well, haven't a clue what. It seems strange that drakX install programme fails to create correct entries in the first place. This is a new computer, which I have assembled from parts bought in and installed by myself. I did wonder whether there might of been something not configured right in the AMI Bios programme so I spent some time going over all the entries, just in case. Can not say I found anything particularly disturbing. So I am stumped at the moment. I live in the middle of England , in a New city called milton Keynes. regards, John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER
John Richard Smith wrote: Hello George, Thanks, I am afraid there is no /etc/lilo.conf, drakeX failed to create one. So, just to prove a point to myself I did LM8.1 re-install all over again, but this time I insisted drakX install Lilo instead of Grub. The result is absolutely identicle. as in you can boot w2k and not boot into linux? something is getting trash bad like. Maybe, I thought, I seem to remember reading somewhere, that one of the bugbears of windows is that it insists on being the first partition on any hard drive. w3.11, w4wg3.11, yes. w98, w98, no. on this and another box, w98 is on second partition. w2k, me, nt, no personal experience with, do not know or recall any post with statements to effect. so... read over next before doing. i erred at start of last, this i have stepped thru and should be correct. +++ boot lm8.1 cd, at start screen, press 'f1' function, at command line text prompt, enter 'rescue', press enter. after boot, at command line; cd /etc cp fstab fstab.org vi fstab insert line; /dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults 1 1 [note: this sets up for following mount] write and quit vi. mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/disk cd /mnt/disk/etc cp fstab fstab.org vi fstab with exception of ' / ' for /dev/hda6, check to be sure that spaces are before '/' as; /dev/hda6 / ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1 /boot ext2 defaults 1 2 none /dev/pts devpts mode = 0620 0 0 none /dev/shm tmps defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec, \ codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,exec, \ codepage=850,ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto user,iocharset=iso8859-2,umask=0,sync, \ codepage-850,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd1 /mnt/floppy2 auto user,iocharset=iso8859-1,umask=0,syn,exec, \ codepage=850,noauto 0 0 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 [note: '\' denotes line continued on next line] to gain ready access to other partitions, insert these lines; /dev/hda8 /hda/8 ext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda3 /w2k/c ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda5 /w2k/d ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda9 /w2k/e ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda10 /w2k/f ntfs defaults 0 0 /dev/hda11 /w2k/g ntfs defaults 0 0 write and quit vi. cp fstab fstab.001 cp lilo.conf lilo.conf.org vi lilo.conf edit lilo.conf to something like following; boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b default=md81 keytable=/boot/us.klt lba32 prompt timeout=100 message=/boot/message-graphic menu-scheme=wb:bw:wb:bw image=/boot/vmlinuz label=md81 root=/dev/hda6 vga=788 read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hda6 append= failsafe read-only other=/dev/hda3 label=w2k table=/dev/hda +++ on what part of earth do you reside? tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email, text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Fwd: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER
Very many thanks for your reply, (forgive me, I'm confused , your name ? ) Sorry to be a nuisance, you see there are two ways to look upon problems, You can wish they were not there , and do nothing, or say to yourself, well , this is my chance to learn something. In this case it's the latter, both for me , and my son inlaw, who was the cc addition, and like me is building identical computer, and therefore has the same problem . Anyway you asked me:- Harddrive: hda1 ,203mb , linux boot configuration: hda3 , 4.8gb , W2KNTFS : hda5 , 4.8gb , spare NTFS partition, : hda6 , 4.8gb , LM8.1 , /root : hda7 , 1.04gb , Linux swap, : hda9 , 4.8gb, Linux native spare, : hda9 , 4.8gb, NTFS spare : hda10,4.8gb, NTFS spare : hda11,6.7gb, NTFS spare and so, hda1 is the boot partition (necessary for multiple linux OS additions ,later,will be shared with further Linux O/s's,as boot partition ) hda6 /root , the main LM8.1 install, hda7 / swap partition, will be shared with any further Linux O/S's hda9 /spare partiton for future additional linux O/S's, not needed at this time The aim is to keep abreast of future Mandrake releases and install them alongside one another, overwriting the oldest as we go. many thanks, John -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 04:52:55 + From: g [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello this, John Richard Smith wrote: A few more thoughts, ok... give me some time to read back thru these 2 and original post. way things were set up, i want to combine your post to see just where what is. it appears, when you did install, you allow lm8.1 to partition drive. please read back thru your post and verify partitioning. need to know for sure what hda1, hda2, hda3, hda4 are use for. which physical is extended? i started you off close, but not complete. will rewrite instructions did an f1 rescue , enter , cd /mnt/etc cat /etc/fstab /dev/ram3/ext2 defaults 1 1, /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy auto defaults, noauto 0 0 none /proc proc defaults, noauto,ro 0 0 /dev/cdrom/mnt/cdrom auto defaults, noauto 0 09 writer's note : this should have entries for /dev/hda6/ext2 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda1/boot/bootext2 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda7 swap swap defaults 0 0 Yes/no ? yes. hda1, /boot and hda6, /root must be in fstab also cat /etc/mtab writers note : This is correct as far as it goes, however what about an entry for /dev/hda7 swap swap defaultts 0 0 yes/no ? no. this is rescue, minimal, and why /dev/ram3. mtab is a list of current mount, so some how it got / and /boot correct. normally fstab is read. also what about Scsi emulation, entries in these files ? needed for cdrom This suggests to me that Grub enties in fstab and mtab are all up the creek ? They need to be corrected from the command line, not sure how to do this please advise, do I need a text editor ? no paddle or boat. happens a lot with grub. so, you want to hassle with grub, or enjoy system with lilo? please verify above, and i will working up a new rescue boot sequence.. John (call me this) i did. g btw. remove '1' from 'newbie 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. also, is there a reason to leave 'cc:' address in? had trouble sending, so i left it off this round. tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email, text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. --- -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] MANDRAKE INSTALL ON NEW COMPUTER
greets john, please excuse delays, i am in and out a lot, both day and night. so i am not avoiding you, just that other things do get priority. John Richard Smith wrote: Very many thanks for your reply, (forgive me, I'm confused , your name ? ) g = george Sorry to be a nuisance, no one learning is a nuisance. people who will not read man and manuals can be bothersome. or say to yourself, well , this is my chance to learn something. best bet... Anyway you asked me:- ok. i just wanted to be sure of what to tell you. i will be sending you info to set up lilo.conf and fstab. yes, lilo. as i said before, get it working, then you can enjoy system and even set up grub. tho i really do not know why. back shortly... tc,hago. g . -- think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email, text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
