Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:26:14 -0500 Ray Hogaboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will most likely go with a new combo drive. It will not be a Samsung. It looks like they not support there drive for more that a Toshiba SD-1312 here. DVD/CDrw combo. $130 or less depending on where you go. Ray Hogaboom -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On Thu February 26 2004 12:29 am, David E. Fox wrote: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:48:49 -0500 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suggest a Pioneer, or Plextor drive as a long-term replacement. That 8100+ is about 2 or 3 years old, isn't it? Depending on how much you use the drive, it may be time for an upgrade anyway. I've had good luck with a Toshiba combo drive. SD-1302, DVD-R CD-RW. Before you run out to the store to buy a new one though, replace the IDE cable, and see if the drive is set as a Master or Slave. Whichever it is, Good idea. But I simplified things a bit. I unplugged my existing CD-R drive (a Memorex) and just plugged its replacement using the same cables. No trouble having to figure whether it was master or slave, same positioning (/dev/hdc) etc. The biggest difficulty in using the new drive - the existing install hung on boot. That took some doing to recover from, to say the least. But as I see it, there's little reason to have both a CDR and a CDRW in the same system, unless you are doing a lot of duplication (which I am not -- the little I do I can get by with dd'ing or ripping off the contents of the drive, and then burning a new CD). I have no problems with replace cables, changing jumpers, or figuring out whether it was master or slave. About 2 years ago I picked up a truck load of old computers and hardware for $150. Some of the computer just had some simple problem. Some had parts missing. Some of them I spent a littel time fixing then sold them, mostly on eBay. Some went for scrap, others I am keeping for my own use. I also got 2 of the very 1st portable computer ever made, both in near mint working condition. I did make a very nice return on my investment. I will most likely go with a new combo drive. It will not be a Samsung. It looks like they not support there drive for more that a couple of years. I can not even get windows updates for this cd burner. I does work fine with Windows 98ce and XP pro. so as long as I have to have Windows on a couple of my computers I will have a place for the Samsung cd burner. -- Ray Hogaboom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On Tue February 17 2004 8:52 am, TheViking wrote: Ugh.. This really is beginning to annoy me. I've tried three different distro's now (Lindows, RedHat Mandrake) and im back to Mandrake. Only problem is, whenever I try and access my HP 8100+ CD-RW drive it crashes Lanman Thanks for your reply TheViking's Problem is simular to my problem. I too thought that the HP 8100+ CD-RW may have been built by SAMSUNG for HP. It may even be the exact same thing as my SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-408B This is why I added the discription of my problem to his. I have tried RedHat Mandrake On February 18, 2004 11:37 am, Ray Hogaboom wrote: I am also having about the same problem with my SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-408B drive but I can never get its contents to display. It lock up my system when I put a data cd in or if I try burning a cd. On Wed February 18 2004 9:48 pm, Lanman wrote: Just a suggestion here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that the HP8100+ is actually manufactured by Samsung. I can't remember specifics, but I've had quite a few of those HP drives, and they've been nothing but trouble, especially in Linux, but also in Windows. Of course we all know that HP doesn't build their own drives don't we? Like a lot of companies, they just rebrand them, and slap a new front-end on their software. Their buffers are crap, and they tend to fail quite often. IIRC, the trouble is the firmware on the drives, but it's very tricky to upgrade without info from the manufacturer, and they don't like to give out that info. You do have a very good point there as I have found that I can not down load drivers or get any other info from Samsung for this drive. I had my hopes up when I read that Samsung was going to support Linux. But Windows XP does have drivers that work. I have no problems with this burner when running Windows 98 or XP. You said it yourself Ray - 3 distro's of Linux, and the same problem with each. Odds are that it's not a driver module or flaw in Linux, but a problem with the drive. No not a flaw with Linux or Linux driver module, just need the right driver module or setting so that Linux knows how to make the SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-408B work. Other models of SAMSUNG CD-R/RW do work with Linux. No problems with the drive either as it does work flawless with Windows 98 XP. That would easily explain why you're not getting many responses to your post. Other people aren't having that problem, so they don't know how to help. I suggest a Pioneer, or Plextor drive as a long-term replacement. That 8100+ is about 2 or 3 years old, isn't it? Depending on how much you use the drive, it may be time for an upgrade anyway. This drive has not been used very much at all. Try borrowing another brand of drive from someone else and try that one out. As long as Mandrake detects the new drive, it's probably a sure thing that the problem goes away. It may not be the fix you had in mind but it should be a permanent fix. When I had Red Hat installed, I installed an older scsi card with a Phillips 2600 burner and a cyberdrive 120S CDROM. There was problems with these.. I then installed a cdrom out of an old Packard Bell I have this did not work. When booting to Windows 98 or XP they all worked. I now have another cdrom in the computer that does work with Mandrake Before you run out to the store to buy a new one though, replace the IDE cable, and see if the drive is set as a Master or Slave. Whichever it is, reverse it. If there's a CDROM drive in the same PC, and on the same cable, reverse it's master/Slave settings at the same time. I have tried the above Also, drop the DMA in the BIOS to 0 or off, The only setting in my BIOS that has any thing to do with DMA is under Onboard Parallel Port is set to ECP+EPP and under that is ECP Mode Use DMA is set to 3 the only other option is 1 and make sure that the IDE cable is attached to your Secondary IDE interface with an ATA33 cable, and not an ATA100 cable, or to the Primary IDE interface.. I am not sure how to tell between a ATA33 and ATA100. But I have 3 old computers 2 486 75Mhz and a Pentium 100Mhz that I could pull cables out. Stick with the basics first, then try it out. Since the drive is screwing up whenever you attempt to access it though, I wouldn't hold out for that as a fix. Lanman Again thanks for your help -- Ray Hogaboom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On Tue February 17 2004 8:52 am, TheViking wrote: Ugh.. This really is beginning to annoy me. I've tried three different distro's now (Lindows, RedHat Mandrake) and im back to Mandrake. Only problem is, whenever I try and access my HP 8100+ CD-RW drive it crashes the desktop and takes around 15 minutes to pop up a window displaying its contents. For that same CD, it will be ok, opening in half a second or so and behaving properly. As soon as I put a different CD in and try to access it, it crashes the desktop again (All mount icons etc) and takes around 15 mins to recover. I had discussed this issue with another person on here before but I've lost his e-mail, and further help would have been great. Does ANYONE know how I can fix this? I am also having about the same problem with my SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-408B drive but I can never get its contents to display. It lock up my system when I put a data cd in or if I try burning a cd. Tried fails safe mode and cdrecord from bash shell evrey thing seam to be working until it started to write the data then the system locked up. Ray Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On February 18, 2004 11:37 am, Ray Hogaboom wrote: On Tue February 17 2004 8:52 am, TheViking wrote: Ugh.. This really is beginning to annoy me. I've tried three different distro's now (Lindows, RedHat Mandrake) and im back to Mandrake. Only problem is, whenever I try and access my HP 8100+ CD-RW drive it crashes the desktop and takes around 15 minutes to pop up a window displaying its contents. For that same CD, it will be ok, opening in half a second or so and behaving properly. As soon as I put a different CD in and try to access it, it crashes the desktop again (All mount icons etc) and takes around 15 mins to recover. I had discussed this issue with another person on here before but I've lost his e-mail, and further help would have been great. Does ANYONE know how I can fix this? I am also having about the same problem with my SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-408B drive but I can never get its contents to display. It lock up my system when I put a data cd in or if I try burning a cd. Tried fails safe mode and cdrecord from bash shell evrey thing seam to be working until it started to write the data then the system locked up. Ray Just a suggestion here, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that the HP8100+ is actually manufactured by Samsung. I can't remember specifics, but I've had quite a few of those HP drives, and they've been nothing but trouble, especially in Linux, but also in Windows. Of course we all know that HP doesn't build their own drives don't we? Like a lot of companies, they just rebrand them, and slap a new front-end on their software. Their buffers are crap, and they tend to fail quite often. IIRC, the trouble is the firmware on the drives, but it's very tricky to upgrade without info from the manufacturer, and they don't like to give out that info. You said it yourself Ray - 3 distro's of Linux, and the same problem with each. Odds are that it's not a driver module or flaw in Linux, but a problem with the drive. That would easily explain why you're not getting many responses to your post. Other people aren't having that problem, so they don't know how to help. I suggest a Pioneer, or Plextor drive as a long-term replacement. That 8100+ is about 2 or 3 years old, isn't it? Depending on how much you use the drive, it may be time for an upgrade anyway. Try borrowing another brand of drive from someone else and try that one out. As long as Mandrake detects the new drive, it's probably a sure thing that the problem goes away. It may not be the fix you had in mind but it should be a permanent fix. Before you run out to the store to buy a new one though, replace the IDE cable, and see if the drive is set as a Master or Slave. Whichever it is, reverse it. If there's a CDROM drive in the same PC, and on the same cable, reverse it's master/Slave settings at the same time. Also, drop the DMA in the BIOS to 0 or off, and make sure that the IDE cable is attached to your Secondary IDE interface with an ATA33 cable, and not an ATA100 cable, or to the Primary IDE interface.. Stick with the basics first, then try it out. Since the drive is screwing up whenever you attempt to access it though, I wouldn't hold out for that as a fix. Lanman Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Same CD problem all over again!
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 15:52, TheViking wrote: Ugh.. This really is beginning to annoy me. I've tried three different distro's now (Lindows, RedHat Mandrake) and im back to Mandrake. Only problem is, whenever I try and access my HP 8100+ CD-RW drive it crashes the desktop and takes around 15 minutes to pop up a window displaying its contents. For that same CD, it will be ok, opening in half a second or so and behaving properly. As soon as I put a different CD in and try to access it, it crashes the desktop again (All mount icons etc) and takes around 15 mins to recover. I had discussed this issue with another person on here before but I've lost his e-mail, and further help would have been great. Does ANYONE know how I can fix this? Viking, First - you have to relax... :-) Second - Please send us therelevant line from the /etc/fstab file, so we can make sure what are he settings for the CD-RW. And, as always, havve a look at the /var/log/messages file, you might find a clue there... HTH, .::. Amichai Rotman Short text-only e-mails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
