Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
Another solution is to get VMware (www.vmware.com), and run a virtual windows. Works great for office. -- Stephen Singer XJ Wang wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, you wrote: Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Try StarOffice first. Trust me on this... my boss downloaded some MS DOC files off the 'Net and opened 'em in Star Office just fine! At least give it a shot. :-) StarOffice will crunch most of Office 97 Documents. I say 99% of them, but I do have problems with occational documents that it displays and prints improperly and sometimes those will lead to problems. My advice: Try StarOFfice if not then try WOrdPerfect 8.0 and if not, sorry :( Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Suprisly 600MB will indeed install MS Office and Windows 95. A bare mininium install of WIndows 95 OSR 2.0 fully stripped down takes ~130. A Full OFfice 97 Install takes ~230MB [Office 97 Professional]. Now, if you want to take off some of the less useful parts like Access/PowerPoint if you don't use them, then it goes down. Logically, it should not be that large. At home, for my parents I have setup a Windows 95/Office 97/Netscape 4.08/Q-Modem Pro Partition and it only takes 500ish. [not minium install of WIn95 and FAT32]. Otherwise the network install is a good idea If you can get SAMBA up and running, I don't see why it wouldn't work, so long as MS Office doesn't mind doing a "Network Install" or at least installing to a Network hard drive.
RE: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, you wrote: Then again maybe my employer will change to Linux (in my dreams). Nahh...get 'em to switch to Word Perfect... it's free for Linux as well. ;-) John
RE: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
Switch to WordPerfect? That's dream number 2;-) -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A) On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, you wrote: Then again maybe my employer will change to Linux (in my dreams). Nahh...get 'em to switch to Word Perfect... it's free for Linux as well. ;-) John
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
And to further your pursuit, check out www.98lite.net . They offer a utility that trims win98 to realistic, even Linux proportions. - Original Message - From: Simon Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A) Just a quick note for you. A bare Windows 95 machine, with Office 97 but without all the sounds, assistants, etc, can fit in a 200Meg drive with room left over. I should know, I have a dodgy laptop with a 200 meg hard drive, and they fit!! That leaves 400Meg for your documents. Win98 will add another 50Meg for the same config, 98SE will add another 100Meg. (Good old Microsoft eh?!!) If you do run out of space, you would do better having the documents on the other machine, rather than having Office on the other machine. - Original Message - From: Aaron deRozario [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:56 AM Subject: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A) Greetings all Over the last couple of days I have been reading plenty of HOW-TO's, and a few mini-HOWTO's on networking with Linux. In fact I've encountered more weird acronyms and strange buxx words in the last 2 days than in the rest of my life put together. However I am learning a bucketload and realising that there is A LOT of good docs in the how-to's! Don't think is going to stop me from posting lots of trivial and basic questions though! At the moment I am considering logistical problems - hardware setups and the like (messing up software is free - messing up hardware costs $$$). Here is one of the many plans I am considering (Plan A) I currently have a box with a 1gig hda with Windows and a 6.4gig hdb with Linux. I am thinking of ripping out the 1 gig drive and putting into a 486 (actually an AMD-133 in a 486 board). I would like to split this drive giving about 600meg to Windows, and the rest to Linux. The 6.4 will stay with its current machine and become the server. In Linux mode I want to use this machine basically to learn about Unix/Linux networking (NFS, telnet, remote X-terminals) etc. In Windows mode I want to learn about Samba, and use Windows when I have to. I was thinking of connecting the two machines using 10Mbit cards and a hub (a third machine will be added later if these two work out okay). Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Thanking you in advance Aaron
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
How about installing StarOffice? Its got filters for major wordprocessors. www.stardivision.com You'll like it. -Original Message- From: Aaron deRozario [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:09 PM Subject: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A) Greetings all Over the last couple of days I have been reading plenty of HOW-TO's, and a few mini-HOWTO's on networking with Linux. In fact I've encountered more weird acronyms and strange buxx words in the last 2 days than in the rest of my life put together. However I am learning a bucketload and realising that there is A LOT of good docs in the how-to's! Don't think is going to stop me from posting lots of trivial and basic questions though! At the moment I am considering logistical problems - hardware setups and the like (messing up software is free - messing up hardware costs $$$). Here is one of the many plans I am considering (Plan A) I currently have a box with a 1gig hda with Windows and a 6.4gig hdb with Linux. I am thinking of ripping out the 1 gig drive and putting into a 486 (actually an AMD-133 in a 486 board). I would like to split this drive giving about 600meg to Windows, and the rest to Linux. The 6.4 will stay with its current machine and become the server. In Linux mode I want to use this machine basically to learn about Unix/Linux networking (NFS, telnet, remote X-terminals) etc. In Windows mode I want to learn about Samba, and use Windows when I have to. I was thinking of connecting the two machines using 10Mbit cards and a hub (a third machine will be added later if these two work out okay). Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Thanking you in advance Aaron
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
600 MB is plenty of room for Win 95 and Office 97 full install. It takes about 200-300 MB, but it will fit. If you don't need Access or Pwrpoint, don't install them and save space.You probably won't have room for IE 5 either. Use an older version of any browser. Either work on docs from disk or don't save tons of docs on the PC to conserve room. Yes, it will be slower to boot and start programs on a 486, but it will work. After you do your install you might want to do a defrag to clean things up a bit. I would not want to work every day on a 486, but they are still useful. Make sure you have plenty of RAM. 16 MB or more at least. Brian -Original Message- From: Aaron deRozario [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings all snip Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Thanking you in advance Aaron
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, John Aldrich wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, you wrote: Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Try StarOffice first. Trust me on this... my boss downloaded some MS DOC files off the 'Net and opened 'em in Star Office just fine! At least give it a shot. :-) StarOffice will crunch most of Office 97 Documents. I say 99% of them, but I do have problems with occational documents that it displays and prints improperly and sometimes those will lead to problems. My advice: Try StarOFfice if not then try WOrdPerfect 8.0 and if not, sorry :( Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Suprisly 600MB will indeed install MS Office and Windows 95. A bare mininium install of WIndows 95 OSR 2.0 fully stripped down takes ~130. A Full OFfice 97 Install takes ~230MB [Office 97 Professional]. Now, if you want to take off some of the less useful parts like Access/PowerPoint if you don't use them, then it goes down. Logically, it should not be that large. At home, for my parents I have setup a Windows 95/Office 97/Netscape 4.08/Q-Modem Pro Partition and it only takes 500ish. [not minium install of WIn95 and FAT32]. Otherwise the network install is a good idea If you can get SAMBA up and running, I don't see why it wouldn't work, so long as MS Office doesn't mind doing a "Network Install" or at least installing to a Network hard drive.
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
Just a quick note for you. A bare Windows 95 machine, with Office 97 but without all the sounds, assistants, etc, can fit in a 200Meg drive with room left over. I should know, I have a dodgy laptop with a 200 meg hard drive, and they fit!! That leaves 400Meg for your documents. Win98 will add another 50Meg for the same config, 98SE will add another 100Meg. (Good old Microsoft eh?!!) If you do run out of space, you would do better having the documents on the other machine, rather than having Office on the other machine. - Original Message - From: Aaron deRozario [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:56 AM Subject: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A) Greetings all Over the last couple of days I have been reading plenty of HOW-TO's, and a few mini-HOWTO's on networking with Linux. In fact I've encountered more weird acronyms and strange buxx words in the last 2 days than in the rest of my life put together. However I am learning a bucketload and realising that there is A LOT of good docs in the how-to's! Don't think is going to stop me from posting lots of trivial and basic questions though! At the moment I am considering logistical problems - hardware setups and the like (messing up software is free - messing up hardware costs $$$). Here is one of the many plans I am considering (Plan A) I currently have a box with a 1gig hda with Windows and a 6.4gig hdb with Linux. I am thinking of ripping out the 1 gig drive and putting into a 486 (actually an AMD-133 in a 486 board). I would like to split this drive giving about 600meg to Windows, and the rest to Linux. The 6.4 will stay with its current machine and become the server. In Linux mode I want to use this machine basically to learn about Unix/Linux networking (NFS, telnet, remote X-terminals) etc. In Windows mode I want to learn about Samba, and use Windows when I have to. I was thinking of connecting the two machines using 10Mbit cards and a hub (a third machine will be added later if these two work out okay). Here is the logistical concern I need answered. Both the gf and I do occasionally have to bring work home. Normally this is in the form of MS Word documents, sometimes 40 pages or more. Now I know there are MS Word filters on some Linux wordprocessors however when you are dealing with very long documents, that include charts etc, small discrepencies when importing/exporting the file leads to some serious headaches. I will need to continue to have MS Office 97 (sorry). If I go ahead and do something that makes it impossible to run Office the gf WILL HAVE MY BOLLOCKS. She will live if it runs slowly - she will kill me if it doesn't run at all. Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Thanking you in advance Aaron
Re: [newbie] Wanted - networking tips (plan A)
Aaron deRozario wrote: Greetings all Here is the question then (finally) 600meg is not going to hold Win95 plus Office. So I want to install Office onto a network drive on the Linux server. Will a 10Mbit network be quick enough for the Windows machine to run Office from the networked drive? Yes I know Office is slow anyway, even slower on a 486, but will a 10Mbit allow Office to actually work? Bigger networks than yours have been doing it for years with 10Mb connections, I don't see why you'd have problems. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
