Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
ABM: --- The dissolution of the former Soviet Union during the autumn and winter of 1991 required the United States to re-evaluate the bilateral treaties that had existed between the Soviet Union and itself, including the ABM Treaty. (1) Both President Bush and President Clinton operated on the general principle that the treaty rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union had passed to the successor States [] As the Legal Adviser to the State Department during the Bush Administration explained, [a]s an operating principle, agreements between the United States and the USSR that were in force at the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union have been presumed to continue in force with respect to the former republics. What is the legal basis for adopting this position? Except for the Baltic states, which the United States never recognized as part of the Soviet Union, we regarded the emergence of Russia and the other former republics to have stemmed from what was essentially the complete breakup of the Soviet Union. [AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:] Thus, continuity of treaty relations is supported by our reading of state practice, and by policy considerations underlying this rule. Perhaps most importantly, however, continuity has been supported by the republics themselves, who affirmed this approach in the Alma Ata Declaration when they guaranteed the fulfillment of international obligations stemming from the treasties and agreements of the former U.S.S.R.[...] [comments in Brackets made by me] link: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/abmjq.htm apart from that: Ban of B/C Weapons: -- Monday May 21, 2001 The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. The protocol took six years to negotiate and established measures to monitor the ban on biological weapons. It was a follow-up to the 1972 treaty, ratified by 143 nations, which bans the development, production and possession of biological weapons. link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html On Friday 10 January 2003 06:39 pm, Kelley Jernigan wrote: Why is it that people miss that the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty was made with a country that no longer exists? Any treaties that are made with any country that ceases to exist are null and void automatically. I cut the rest Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
What a lot of nonsence. If it were about oil the Best thing the USA could do is lift all of the sanctions. Then the US could have all the Iraqi oil it wanted to buy. JKJ On Monday 06 January 2003 8:22 pm, Todd Franklin wrote: What gets me is that the whole Iraq thing is over the oil. There's still no conclusive proof that they have weapons of mass destruction, but we know for sure they have vast amounts of oil. In fact, the Bush administration has already divided it up amongst the oil companies. (primarily american I'm sure) It makes me want to puke. We know North Korea is making weapons-grade plutonium right now, but since there's no oil there, the Bush administration has decided to use diplomacy instead of bombing them. Hmm double standard? And what ever happened to Bin Laden anyway? Why haven't they gotten him? Most advanced military in the world can't find one guy? We've got sattelites that can find oil miles deep, but can't find one terrorist in a cave! GR! Sorry about the rant, but here I sit in the midwestern US, I was layed off in April 02 and I can't find a job, my unemployment has been cut off, the economy is going to hell, and this f***ing moronic administration is slowly taking away our rights. Pretty soon the only US constitutional right left will be to own a gun so we can blow our own heads off. Todd Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 05 January 2003 05:28 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 6:38 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. Ain't that true the world over? How many people really do? I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) Unfortunately two or three idiots can turn a world upside down. Anne ...and 60 hours of Gilligan is certain to reduce anyone to a babbling idiot. (I think we've set a new list record for simultaneous OT threads -- three by my count. Oh well, it's the weekend. Damn glad I don't pay by the minute, though.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- J. Kelley Jernigan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
Why is it that people miss that the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty was made with a country that no longer exists? Any treaties that are made with any country that ceases to exist are null and void automatically. JKJ On Thursday 09 January 2003 10:53 pm, bones wrote: Hell, everybody has strong feelings about this subject. I have resisted long but this post is really way beyond. Imagine: There are two countries, X and Y. - X has made war to two other countries (to one of them with strong support by Y) and shot rockets against a third, it is _suspected_ to have weapons of mass destruction. (Todays news tell me though that it is _not_ likely they do, or even did - is the news in america different?) - Y is proven to _have_ weapons of mass destruction, is the only country that has actually used it and is willing to do so again. (see below: [1]). Has recently one-sidedly _broken_ the ABM treaty with russia to reduce nuclear weapons on both sides (Y is now stronger so the treaty is obsolete). [2] Y possess biological/chemical weapons and has recently ignored another international treaty they signed in 1972 that bans b+c weapons [4] . They have repeatedly attacked and invaded other (democratically elected) countries. [3] --- Which one is more dangerous? --- Do you sometimes question yourself and your position? How comes your are so self-righteous? You are with us or against us what a shit! I am against Bush _and_ Fundamentalists, because they are basically the same to me. Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? p. But well it _is_ true that this is the place to discuss opposing views about KDE and Gnome I just couldn't let it stand like this. -- [1] The Pentagon's newly revised, secret-but-leaked nuclear posture review lists not just one or two, but at least seven nations that may conceivably qualify as targets for nuclear attack by the United States. The potential bull's-eyes include not only the usual axis of evil-also known as Iran, Iraq and North Korea-but Libya and Syria, as well as our friends in China and Russia. government site: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/stories/01121302.htm (and) bbc :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1707812.stm [2] The United States has given Russia formal notice that it will withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in six months, President Bush said December 13. links: same as above [3] IRAN 1953 CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah. INDONESIA 1965 Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost. CHILE 1973 CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed. Turkey By means of repetitive coups the US-backed army has ousted the democratically elected parties for several times. http://www.countries.com/messageboard/messages/688.html (or) http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm [4] The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html -- J. Kelley Jernigan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
Hell, everybody has strong feelings about this subject. I have resisted long but this post is really way beyond. Imagine: There are two countries, X and Y. - X has made war to two other countries (to one of them with strong support by Y) and shot rockets against a third, it is _suspected_ to have weapons of mass destruction. (Todays news tell me though that it is _not_ likely they do, or even did - is the news in america different?) - Y is proven to _have_ weapons of mass destruction, is the only country that has actually used it and is willing to do so again. (see below: [1]). Has recently one-sidedly _broken_ the ABM treaty with russia to reduce nuclear weapons on both sides (Y is now stronger so the treaty is obsolete). [2] Y possess biological/chemical weapons and has recently ignored another international treaty they signed in 1972 that bans b+c weapons [4] . They have repeatedly attacked and invaded other (democratically elected) countries. [3] --- Which one is more dangerous? --- Do you sometimes question yourself and your position? How comes your are so self-righteous? You are with us or against us what a shit! I am against Bush _and_ Fundamentalists, because they are basically the same to me. Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? p. But well it _is_ true that this is the place to discuss opposing views about KDE and Gnome I just couldn't let it stand like this. -- [1] The Pentagon's newly revised, secret-but-leaked nuclear posture review lists not just one or two, but at least seven nations that may conceivably qualify as targets for nuclear attack by the United States. The potential bull's-eyes include not only the usual axis of evil-also known as Iran, Iraq and North Korea-but Libya and Syria, as well as our friends in China and Russia. government site: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/arms/stories/01121302.htm (and) bbc :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1707812.stm [2] The United States has given Russia formal notice that it will withdraw from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty in six months, President Bush said December 13. links: same as above [3] IRAN 1953 CIA directs overthrow of elected left-leaning government, installs Shah. INDONESIA 1965 Army coup assisted to an unknown degree by CIA; left-leaning elected government toppled; between 250,000 to 1,000,000 lives lost. CHILE 1973 CIA-backed coup ousts elected leftist president; rightist dictator installed. Turkey By means of repetitive coups the US-backed army has ousted the democratically elected parties for several times. http://www.countries.com/messageboard/messages/688.html (or) http://www.neravt.com/left/invade.htm [4] The Bush administration has found another international agreement to spurn. This time it's a draft agreement to enforce a 1972 treaty banning biological weapons, an agreement backed by Britain and other European countries. http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,494257,00.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Thursday 09 January 2003 06:15 pm, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: Some people may have hurt your feelings - well that's sad. But your country is going to _kill_ people - not just hurt their feelings. Is it better to kill than to cope with opposing views and maybe discover that you are wrong? Bones, Nice post. I'm sure there will be sweeping policy changes and a flood of apologies issued from Washington very soon. Until then, can we drop the subject at least on this list? It's getting real old. Pretty please? I'll be your best friend. ;) Feel free to contact me personally and flame my government to your heart's content. I'm also on the #Mandrake-offtopic IRC channel at freenode.net. ~Brandon I'll be everyone's second best friend! Please? -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 23:04, Dennis Sue wrote: I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. I've seen people get slapped down for wanting to keep this list to its purpose, but all we have in common is an interest in an OS - nothing else. The which-star-trek-actor-do-you-fancy thread was tedious, but this one is downright nasty. The web is full of places to talk about which race you hate most, and how the US saves the world on a daily basis. Don't do it here. Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
A quick check on my own server gave me 352 newsgroups that included the word politics in the title... some scope there I would suggest ;o) regards Daryl On Tuesday 07 Jan 2003 10:40 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Milos Prudek wrote: [...] I think that this list is intended for discussion about Mandrake Linux. While I appreciate your opinion and actually agree with most points, in my opinion this list is not appropriate to discuss politics. John Richard Smith wrote: That is quite correct , I tend to agree , but people are very worried about this situation, little scope to discuss these things really exists, and in this instance at least , here is an opportunity . John -- If God is perfect, why did He create discontinuous functions? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
At 10:29 AM 1/7/2003 +0100, you wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support for an Iraqi war. I think that this list is intended for discussion about Mandrake Linux. While I appreciate your opinion and actually agree with most points, in my opinion this list is not appropriate to discuss politics. -- Milos Prudek hate to agree, but i do heh... politics/abortion/religion=not listable stuff really... gets too messy :) - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 04:20 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Our Prime minister Tony Blair is way out on a limb.There is little support for an Iraqi war. I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse. Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke The Iraqi's were preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel, Another holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish people. Never again, NEVER AGAIN! Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our people with all the means at our disposal. Their critics would hear none of that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, probably Conservatives too. A U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League. The Russians lined up with the Arabs,As did the British, screaming for vengence, Screaming for sanctions. The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get along and pretend it's ok, a FACT. It has everything to do with the American Governments Middle East Foreign Policy, which is stimulating terrorism and has been for some time, America's sin that stimulates terrorism is this - Supporting Israel. As long as we support Israel then we will be hated by the Arab nations. Our only mistake was during the Iran / Iraq war assuming that the enemy of our enemy is our friend. They are not, never have been, never will be. If not for Israel, Then because we are not Islamic. When the Arabs have no common enemy to fight, They kill each other. As much as we hear of the plight of the Palastinians, Which of those nations have ever raised a finger to help their brother Palistine ? They throw the Palastinians out of their countries. Only using them as pawns against Israel. When Israel offered the Palastinians settlements, and money They were told not to accept, To do so would cost them their lives. Yassar Arafat led attacks against HIS people, The ones who accepted land, and money. Yassar Arafat killed HIS brothers for wanting peace. and an invasion of Iraq right now will confirm in the minds of evey Arab just how much they have to fear. And what are these 9/11 , School bombing type of attacks suppose to stimulate ? Fear. So you can quit whining about the poor , innocent Arabs. Especially when the cowardly little bastards run into an Israeli school and blow up innocent civilians. They are all in bed together on this terror. It is how cowards fight. It's all they know, nothing of honor, Nothing of Integrity. They are a detestable people hell bent on your destruction. They do not want peace. And I do not want peace at any cost. Why is it that liberals generally want peace, no matter what the price ? Is it worth your dignity ? Your self respect ? Your silence to wrongs committed against an innocent people ? What wouldn't you give for it ? Apparantly your life. The middle east is the worlds oil well, Not after America comes in, It's called the spoils of war, and it then belongs to US. invading Iraq at this time and under current circumstances is a 10 year blue touch paper to ww3 with china. John At the moment, The only thing China really has on us in manpower. They can send them out like ants, Lose 20 million like nothing. That's why we develop weapons. And besides, What are we suppose to do ? Cower in the corner like most of the world did some 60 years ago ? Oh no, We can't defend ourselves because somebody might beat us up , Or is it this instead It just wouldn't be prudent ? I've had my fill of people pissing on the one nation that has helped every other. We've put our blood, sweat, and tears into EVERY other nation on this planet and have been insulted for it. We are not perfect, we make mistakes. This just doesn't happen to be one of them. And neither will taking out the next Arab nation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 08:38 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:04, Dennis Sue wrote: Well, Dennis Sue, all I can say is that you've got your shite together. You got's my vote, I'll be watching email from this address much closer in the future. Btw, see what you think about this: Strategy of appeasement = NaziDrake a much deserved and post timely death for such OT threads as this, on a tech mailling list Heh. --LX P.S. Funny how, during the last WW, the Allied symbol was a star, which is the same symbol as Mandrake carries now. Conversely, if the beloved European appeasement strategy had been brought to fruition with Hitler, we would have a swastika symbol instead. Interesting how history impacts everything. Like Mandrake. I have patiently waited for this ridiculous diatribe to die off. I have listened as you people have insulted MY country, MY President, My people. Now, I've had enough, And I'm going to have MY say. Some probably won't like what I have to say, How unfortunate for you. I have not enjoyed much of what you have said. It has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, that's an excuse. Really ? Let's go back to June 7,1981 When Israel blew up a Iraqi nuclear reactor. The world screamed for their blood once again. The Israeli's claimed that it was a preemptive strike. Menachem Begin spoke The Iraqi's were preparing atomic bombs to drop on the children of Israel, Another holocaust would have happened in the history of the Jewish people. Never again, NEVER AGAIN! Tell your freinds, Tell anybody you meet, we shall defend our people with all the means at our disposal. Their critics would hear none of that, No it was just the hateful agressive Jews at it again, Just haters, probably Conservatives too. A U.N. sanction was demanded by Secretary General Chedli Klibi, of the Arab League. The Russians lined up with the Arabs,As did the British, screaming for vengence, Screaming for sanctions. The U.N. condemned the Israeli attack. Days later, Israel began releasing documents, Here is some of what was released : 13 feet beneath the reactor, The Iraqi's had been maintaining a secret installation for use in developing an atomic weapon. They had stockpiled 200 tons of natural plutonium . They were indeed developing weapons of mass destruction. That is an undisputable FACT. Not an opinion, not a feeling, not an emotional let's all just get along and pretend it's ok, a FACT. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 03:27:07PM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:22, mike wrote: I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... ...and to think I moved to Australia to be away from US politics...I guess not... Not that the U.S. seems intent on building a world empire, I suspect everyone will have to deal with US politics. Even places as remote from technological civilization as Afghanistan! Afghanistan uset to be the proverbial end-of-the-earth when I was little. -- hendrik -- Sun Jan 5 15:25:00 EST 2003 3:25pm up 18:33, 6 users, load average: 0.73, 0.56, 0.56 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Sunday 05 January 2003 12:08 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Jan 05, 2003 at 03:27:07PM +1100, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 15:22, mike wrote: I've noticed there is a lot of Red and Yellow in Linux... ...and to think I moved to Australia to be away from US politics...I guess not... Not that the U.S. seems intent on building a world empire, I suspect everyone will have to deal with US politics. Even places as remote from technological civilization as Afghanistan! Afghanistan uset to be the proverbial end-of-the-earth when I was little. -- hendrik -- Sun Jan 5 15:25:00 EST 2003 3:25pm up 18:33, 6 users, load average: 0.73, 0.56, 0.56 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Which is better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 6:38 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: What I can't figure out is who here in the US wants a world empire and why they think it's a good idea. Ain't that true the world over? How many people really do? I raised 5 kids and that is all the squabling I care to endure. I also don't feel threatened by anyone else, other than terrorists and they can be homegrown just as easily as from somewhere else. We all need to just chill, kick back with a Bud or Guiness or what ever your taste may be and watch Gilligan's Island for 60 hours straight. That would cure a lot of world funk. : ) Unfortunately two or three idiots can turn a world upside down. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
