Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Kyle Munz]

High Jean,

That is a high mileage (kilometerage?) bike but as long as it was well
maintained that's not necessarily a problem for these bikes. That's about
the right price though if all it needs is cleaning and tune up. If any
major parts are missing though you might consider passing on it. You can
quickly end up spending more on eBay than what the bike is worth. One
particular issue with that bike is where the wiring harness plugs into the
back of the fuse block underneath the headlight. The plugs can get loose
which leads to arcing which melts the plastic. Another thing to listen for
is cam chain slap if you can get the engine running. The tensioner gets
loose over the years and replacement parts are hard to find.




-Kyle

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Jean-François Therien <
brockolicosmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, I'm reading the other posts related on buying... I should be good I
> guess. I'll update once I get to see it then.
>
> Le vendredi 13 mars 2015 21:39:36 UTC-4, Jean-François Therien a écrit :
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I saw an add for an '83 Nighthawk 650 which I'll be checking out on
>> Sunday. The seller says it has 58000km, a broken turn indicator, and needs
>> a tune up, carb cleaning and braking system cleaning. He is asking 750$ CDN
>> for it.
>>
>> This would be my 2nd motorcycle, I bought an '07 Shadow Spirit last year
>> which has been fun to learn on, but now my wife will be using it and I
>> wanted to get my own bike.
>>
>> I wanted to know if anyone had some tips as to what to check on this one?
>> Any part in particular I should pay more attention to or anything that
>> could be a deal breaker? I'll do a visual inspection on it and see if I can
>> get it to start of course, but I don't think it is in a state that I can
>> test ride it.
>>
>> JF
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Tommy Hill]

That's about 36,000 miles.  I would call that just a little above average 
miles.  I have about 33,000 on mine.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

Thanks for the tips! I'll keep an eye on those!

JF

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Tommy Hill]

Jean- Francois, ou habitez vous?

(Et celui-ca est jusqu'a la limite de ma francais...😞)

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

Tommy that is good french!

J'habite à Mirabel, près de Montréal!

Every year, just before spring, the itch to go get a motorcycle gets me. 
I've been wanting to ride for 18 years, but was too broke/stupid back then 
and would have killed myself (I loved speeding in my car, was going to buy 
a VFR750  without taking any motorcycle lessons...)

Then about 9 years ago, I told my girlfriend I wanted to buy a motorcycle. 
She laughed as she asked me what I was going to do with that since we were 
expecting a baby. Then came another baby a few years later. I'd try every 
year, but she kept telling me it'll have to wait until the kids have grown 
up and left the house :(

Finally, last year, we were on the highway with the kids sleeping in the 
back of the car. It was the 1st warm weekend of the season and we were 
getting passed by lots and lots of bikes. Now every spring, I'd lookup 
bikes, how much they cost, insurance, license, lessons, etc... My wife (we 
had married) tells me maybe could get a motorcycle sooner. I told her I was 
thinking more about now than sooner. She asked me how much it costs to get 
a motorcycle, and after I told her all of it, she said "Well, if you get 
one, I want one too!" Couldn't be more blessed!

JF

Le samedi 14 mars 2015 09:18:11 UTC-4, Tommy Hill a écrit :
>
> Jean- Francois, ou habitez vous? 
>
> (Et celui-ca est jusqu'a la limite de ma francais...😞)

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Graham Rogers]

Yeah, where do you live Jean-Francois?

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> On Mar 14, 2015, at 09:18, Tommy Hill  wrote:
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> Jean- Francois, ou habitez vous?
> 
> (Et celui-ca est jusqu'a la limite de ma francais...😞)
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I live near Montreal, Canada.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Tommy Hill]

Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I 
considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken a 
course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good 450 
NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in Miami 
(where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S here at home 
in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get this 700S running 
well...  

FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail things, 
but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!

Bon chance avec le moto(?)!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Tommy Hill]

Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I 
considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken a 
course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good 450 
NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in Miami 
(where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S here at home 
in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get this 700S running 
well...  

FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail things, 
but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!

Bon chance avec le moto(?)!

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Allen Thomas]

I use this checklist to not only keep track of what I have fixed on what
bike, but it also helps keeping track of costs.​
 Master_Motorcycle Checklist.xls

​

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Tommy Hill  wrote:

> Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I
> considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken
> a course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good
> 450 NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in
> Miami (where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S
> here at home in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get
> this 700S running well...
>
> FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail
> things, but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!
>
> Bon chance avec le moto(?)!
>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Kyle Munz]

That's a great list. I'm afraid to fill it out and find what I've actually
spent on my 700S over the year though. Oh well, I bought it to ride it not
flip it.


-Kyle

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Allen Thomas 
wrote:

> I use this checklist to not only keep track of what I have fixed on what
> bike, but it also helps keeping track of costs.​
>  Master_Motorcycle Checklist.xls
> 
> ​
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Tommy Hill  wrote:
>
>> Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I
>> considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken
>> a course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good
>> 450 NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in
>> Miami (where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S
>> here at home in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get
>> this 700S running well...
>>
>> FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail
>> things, but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!
>>
>> Bon chance avec le moto(?)!
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Allen Thomas]

My GS is getting that way and once I sell this 750 custom, it will be way
over it's worth because I'm going to rebuild with a big bore kit. I've
decided Ol' Blue is a keep forever bike. So why not get her in the 125HP
range?

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Kyle Munz  wrote:

> That's a great list. I'm afraid to fill it out and find what I've actually
> spent on my 700S over the year though. Oh well, I bought it to ride it not
> flip it.
>
>
> -Kyle
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Allen Thomas 
> wrote:
>
>> I use this checklist to not only keep track of what I have fixed on what
>> bike, but it also helps keeping track of costs.​
>>  Master_Motorcycle Checklist.xls
>> 
>> ​
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Tommy Hill  wrote:
>>
>>> Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I
>>> considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken
>>> a course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good
>>> 450 NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in
>>> Miami (where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S
>>> here at home in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get
>>> this 700S running well...
>>>
>>> FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail
>>> things, but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!
>>>
>>> Bon chance avec le moto(?)!
>>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I made a similar list when I bought my VT750C2 last year. It makes it a lot 
easier to track what's happening to it indeed.

Le samedi 14 mars 2015 12:20:42 UTC-4, Allen a écrit :
>
> I use this checklist to not only keep track of what I have fixed on what 
> bike, but it also helps keeping track of costs.​
>  Master_Motorcycle Checklist.xls 
> 
> ​
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Tommy Hill  > wrote:
>
>> Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I 
>> considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken 
>> a course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good 
>> 450 NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in 
>> Miami (where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S 
>> here at home in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get 
>> this 700S running well...
>>
>> FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail 
>> things, but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike!
>>
>> Bon chance avec le moto(?)!
>>
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

Thanks! I hope everything will be well with it tomorrow when I see it. I am 
really excited about it. I spoke to the seller a bit today to get his 
address and get some more info at the same time. He bought it from his 
friend 2 years ago and didn't ride it since. He says that when he bought it 
from his friend, he hadn't seen it and thought he was getting an '82 and he 
wanted to make a cafe racer out of it, but the styling didn't work with the 
'83, so he just left it in his garage. He claimed to be a motorcycle 
collector, and by looking at the pictures of his NH in the ad, there are a 
lot of other motorcycles in his garage.

We'll see tomorow :)

Le samedi 14 mars 2015 10:01:12 UTC-4, Tommy Hill a écrit :
>
> Incroyable!   je voyage a Montreal, Quelquefois.  While unemployed, I 
> considered selling my '85 650, but my wife wouldn't let me.  She has taken 
> a course, but still doesn't have a bike.   I am casually looking for a good 
> 450 NH for her.  I have had 5, all 84-86, 650s.  Bought a 700S last year in 
> Miami (where I work) and liked it so much, I bought a gorgeous '86 700S 
> here at home in SC.  I have a great wife to let me have 3!!  Now to get 
> this 700S running well...   
>
> FWIW, I like the 84-86 model more than the '83.  Just some minor detail 
> things, but they look more updated.  You know, for 30 year old bike! 
>
> Bon chance avec le moto(?)!

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Greg]

If I may, buying a bike is the best purchase I've ever made. It will give you 
the best return for your money. I bought  one for my 30th birthday. My wife and 
3 kids supported me. My daughter passed her motorcycle class at 15and 1/2 years 
old. The person at the DMV was confused when giving her the license at 16. Be a 
good Dad and teach your kids about life and living it and loving it. A bike 
will do all that and much more.


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From: Jean-François Therien 
Date:03/14/2015  9:35 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

Tommy that is good french!

J'habite à Mirabel, près de Montréal!

Every year, just before spring, the itch to go get a motorcycle gets me.
I've been wanting to ride for 18 years, but was too broke/stupid back then
and would have killed myself (I loved speeding in my car, was going to buy
a VFR750  without taking any motorcycle lessons...)

Then about 9 years ago, I told my girlfriend I wanted to buy a motorcycle.
She laughed as she asked me what I was going to do with that since we were
expecting a baby. Then came another baby a few years later. I'd try every
year, but she kept telling me it'll have to wait until the kids have grown
up and left the house :(

Finally, last year, we were on the highway with the kids sleeping in the
back of the car. It was the 1st warm weekend of the season and we were
getting passed by lots and lots of bikes. Now every spring, I'd lookup
bikes, how much they cost, insurance, license, lessons, etc... My wife (we
had married) tells me maybe could get a motorcycle sooner. I told her I was
thinking more about now than sooner. She asked me how much it costs to get
a motorcycle, and after I told her all of it, she said "Well, if you get
one, I want one too!" Couldn't be more blessed!

JF

Le samedi 14 mars 2015 09:18:11 UTC-4, Tommy Hill a écrit :
>
> Jean- Francois, ou habitez vous?
>
> (Et celui-ca est jusqu'a la limite de ma francais...😞)

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I am planning to do just that. When we got the Shadow last year, the kids
loved sitting on it and pretending to ride it. We're on the lookout of a
50cc motocross for them too, every time they see one they ask us for one.
Now the best thing with them is I can get them to wash the bike for me in
summer while I do something else. They do a pretty good job!

When I was their age, my father had said he'd get my brother and I a
motocross, but we ended up with an 80cc Yamaha Moto4 quad. That quad was
the most fun I had with any quad, even when I got past 25 years old.. I
still have it, but the whole thing is in really bad shape. The engine
starts, but it won't move without stalling.
Le 2015-03-15 06:10, "Greg"  a écrit :

>  If I may, buying a bike is the best purchase I've ever made. It will
> give you the best return for your money. I bought  one for my 30th
> birthday. My wife and 3 kids supported me. My daughter passed her
> motorcycle class at 15and 1/2 years old. The person at the DMV was confused
> when giving her the license at 16. Be a good Dad and teach your kids about
> life and living it and loving it. A bike will do all that and much more.
>
>
>  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jean-François Therien 
> Date:03/14/2015 9:35 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650
>
>  Tommy that is good french!
>
>  J'habite à Mirabel, près de Montréal!
>
>  Every year, just before spring, the itch to go get a motorcycle gets me.
> I've been wanting to ride for 18 years, but was too broke/stupid back then
> and would have killed myself (I loved speeding in my car, was going to buy
> a VFR750  without taking any motorcycle lessons...)
>
>  Then about 9 years ago, I told my girlfriend I wanted to buy a
> motorcycle. She laughed as she asked me what I was going to do with that
> since we were expecting a baby. Then came another baby a few years later.
> I'd try every year, but she kept telling me it'll have to wait until the
> kids have grown up and left the house :(
>
>  Finally, last year, we were on the highway with the kids sleeping in the
> back of the car. It was the 1st warm weekend of the season and we were
> getting passed by lots and lots of bikes. Now every spring, I'd lookup
> bikes, how much they cost, insurance, license, lessons, etc... My wife (we
> had married) tells me maybe could get a motorcycle sooner. I told her I was
> thinking more about now than sooner. She asked me how much it costs to get
> a motorcycle, and after I told her all of it, she said "Well, if you get
> one, I want one too!" Couldn't be more blessed!
>
>  JF
>
> Le samedi 14 mars 2015 09:18:11 UTC-4, Tommy Hill a écrit :
>
> Jean- Francois, ou habitez vous?
>
> (Et celui-ca est jusqu'a la limite de ma francais...😞)
>
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I just came back from seeing the nighthawk, it wasn't as clean as I thought it 
would be: some rust, paint was scratched and scuffed, chrome was peeling off. 
The seller couldn't find the keys either, so we couldn't check the gas tank 
either. The seller works at a dealer and he picked up the NH that the previous 
gave as a trade in, so he never saw it running either...

On the bright side, before leaving, my wife asked me if the price was good, so 
I checked kijiji to see if there were any other listings, and a new one was 
added less than 24hrs ago. 100$ more, but road ready, 17000 miles, '84 model, 
paint and chrome in good condition. The only worry I have is that it was 
outside all winter, underneath a tarp/blanket, otherwise seller says the bike 
was stored inside a heated garage previous years.

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Tommy Hill]

I would think your concern would be mostly, if not completely cosmetic.  If it 
looks good, being outside one winter probably isn't a big deal.

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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I spoke to the seller, I'll test drive it next Sunday :)
Le 2015-03-15 12:35, "Tommy Hill"  a écrit :

> I would think your concern would be mostly, if not completely cosmetic.
> If it looks good, being outside one winter probably isn't a big deal.
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RE: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Jean-François Therien]

I went to see the '84 650 this morning, it had a few plastic tarps on it, not 
too much snow on it. Paint and chrome are in very good shape. The forks have 
some light rust sprinkles that are easily wiped off, fuel tank looks rust free.

The front wheel was locked due to the calipers being seized, either due to ice 
or rust, I don't know. I could hardly pull the brake lever also. The battery 
was dead as well. I bring my battery on Friday to try to start it.

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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Graham Rogers]

Gunk and corrosion will be seizing the calipers. You will need to take the 
system apart and clean, probably Same with the clutch. Carbs will probably need 
to be removed and cleaned before it will start. Bought a 1983 650 in the fall 
in worse shape for $100, Graham

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> On Mar 17, 2015, at 15:32, Jean-François Therien  
> wrote:
> 
> I went to see the '84 650 this morning, it had a few plastic tarps on it, not 
> too much snow on it. Paint and chrome are in very good shape. The forks have 
> some light rust sprinkles that are easily wiped off, fuel tank looks rust 
> free.
> 
> The front wheel was locked due to the calipers being seized, either due to 
> ice or rust, I don't know. I could hardly pull the brake lever also. The 
> battery was dead as well. I bring my battery on Friday to try to start it.
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Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Buying an '83 Nighthawk 650

[Allen Thomas]

+1 Graham knows what he's talking about. Locked up calipers are pretty
common on a bike that has been sitting. Even if they weren't locked up I'd
recommend taking them apart along with the master cylinder, as they are
sure to be full of snot, and the master cylinder return port is probably
clogged. New seals are cheap.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Graham Rogers 
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> Gunk and corrosion will be seizing the calipers. You will need to take the
> system apart and clean, probably Same with the clutch. Carbs will probably
> need to be removed and cleaned before it will start. Bought a 1983 650 in
> the fall in worse shape for $100, Graham
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 17, 2015, at 15:32, Jean-François Therien <
> brockolicosmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I went to see the '84 650 this morning, it had a few plastic tarps on
> it, not too much snow on it. Paint and chrome are in very good shape. The
> forks have some light rust sprinkles that are easily wiped off, fuel tank
> looks rust free.
> >
> > The front wheel was locked due to the calipers being seized, either due
> to ice or rust, I don't know. I could hardly pull the brake lever also. The
> battery was dead as well. I bring my battery on Friday to try to start it.
> >
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