[nlug] Bluetooth incompatibility

2022-01-31 Thread John F. Eldredge 
Has anyone heard of certain phones' Bluetooth not being compatible with
certain cars? I have a Moto G Stylus phone, and a 2017 Mitsubishi Mirage ES
car. The phone works fine with my Bluetooth headphones. With the car, I was
able to pair the phone, and I get a ringtone over the car's sound system
when a call comes in, but the call audio itself does not route through the
car audio. Mitsubishi says my phone Bluetooth is not compatible with the
car Bluetooth.

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RE: [nlug] RHEL8's "Enterprise Agreement" (for the free usages)

2022-01-31 Thread Mark J. Bailey 
Yeah, no doubt most people never bother to ever read most of these software 
agreements. No telling what all else is buried deep in some of them! :) It’s a 
highly unlikely threat for us peons, but I still wasn’t previously aware of 
this provision. It certainly prompted me to sit up and start paying more 
attention to it. And, yes, I bet Oracle is a more unsettling bedfellow. I 
wonder if/when they finally move into downtown Nashville, if some of our laid 
back Tennessee-style southern hospitality will sink in with them, and take some 
of the edge off?! Nah, I doubt it! :) Sent from  
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 Subject:  Re: [nlug] RHEL8's "Enterprise Agreement" (for the free usages)If 
anyone migrated their CentOS boxes to OEL, they gave Oracle the same
right. Oracle is far more aggressive on the enforcement of that than Red
Hat ever has.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 3:03 AM Mark J. Bailey  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I was having to deal with RHEL8 for a client this weekend, and in doing
> some research on something related to the client’s need, I stumbled across
> yet another post in Reddit on Rocky/Alma/etc vs RHEL’s free usage
> scenarios. What caught my attention in particular was one commenter pointed
> out this hidden “gem” of a clause in the Red Hat’s “Enterprise Agreement”
> (that you have to agree to in order to be able to legally use it for free):
>
>
>
> *11. Review. While this Agreement is in effect and for one year
> thereafter, Red Hat or its designee, acting in accordance with Section 9,
> may inspect your facilities and records to verify your compliance with this
> Agreement. You agree to (a) respond promptly to requests for information,
> documents and/or records, (b) grant appropriate access for on site visits
> in order to verify your compliance, and (c) reasonably cooperate in
> connection with any such verification. Red Hat will provide at least ten
> (10) days prior written notice for any on site visits, and will conduct on
> site visits during regular business hours in a manner that reasonably
> minimizes interference with your business. If Red Hat notifies you of any
> noncompliance or underpayment, then you will resolve the non compliance
> and/or underpayment within fifteen (15) days from the date of notice. If
> the underpayment exceeds five percent (5%), then you will also reimburse
> Red Hat for the cost of the inspection.*
>
>
>
> I must admit, it was a bit of an eye opener. For my part, don’t think I’ve
> ever seen anything quite like this in the OSS “free” world. Anyways, it’s
> by and large a moot point of concern for most everyone present here, but
> still….
>
>
>
> So, if the Red Hat Compliance Squad shows up at your home or work place,
> you’ll now know why! But your spouse or employer (or client even!) might be
> a little less understanding and sympathetic! 😊
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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Re: [nlug] RHEL8's "Enterprise Agreement" (for the free usages)

2022-01-31 Thread Kent Perrier 
If anyone migrated their CentOS boxes to OEL, they gave Oracle the same
right. Oracle is far more aggressive on the enforcement of that than Red
Hat ever has.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 3:03 AM Mark J. Bailey  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I was having to deal with RHEL8 for a client this weekend, and in doing
> some research on something related to the client’s need, I stumbled across
> yet another post in Reddit on Rocky/Alma/etc vs RHEL’s free usage
> scenarios. What caught my attention in particular was one commenter pointed
> out this hidden “gem” of a clause in the Red Hat’s “Enterprise Agreement”
> (that you have to agree to in order to be able to legally use it for free):
>
>
>
> *11. Review. While this Agreement is in effect and for one year
> thereafter, Red Hat or its designee, acting in accordance with Section 9,
> may inspect your facilities and records to verify your compliance with this
> Agreement. You agree to (a) respond promptly to requests for information,
> documents and/or records, (b) grant appropriate access for on site visits
> in order to verify your compliance, and (c) reasonably cooperate in
> connection with any such verification. Red Hat will provide at least ten
> (10) days prior written notice for any on site visits, and will conduct on
> site visits during regular business hours in a manner that reasonably
> minimizes interference with your business. If Red Hat notifies you of any
> noncompliance or underpayment, then you will resolve the non compliance
> and/or underpayment within fifteen (15) days from the date of notice. If
> the underpayment exceeds five percent (5%), then you will also reimburse
> Red Hat for the cost of the inspection.*
>
>
>
> I must admit, it was a bit of an eye opener. For my part, don’t think I’ve
> ever seen anything quite like this in the OSS “free” world. Anyways, it’s
> by and large a moot point of concern for most everyone present here, but
> still….
>
>
>
> So, if the Red Hat Compliance Squad shows up at your home or work place,
> you’ll now know why! But your spouse or employer (or client even!) might be
> a little less understanding and sympathetic! 😊
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
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> Windows
>
>
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Re: [nlug] RHEL8's "Enterprise Agreement" (for the free usages)

2022-01-31 Thread John R. Dennison 
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 03:02:59AM -0600, Mark J. Bailey wrote:
> 
> I must admit, it was a bit of an eye opener. For my part, don’t think
> I’ve ever seen anything quite like this in the OSS “free” world.
> Anyways, it’s by and large a moot point of concern for most everyone
> present here, but still…. 

It's been present in their Enterprise Agreements for quite some time and
is applicable to both the free and non-free tiers.

Current Enterprise Agreement for North America is at:

https://www.redhat.com/licenses/Enterprise_Agreement_Webversion_NA_English_20211109.pdf

In this document the section in question is section 10.




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[nlug] RHEL8's "Enterprise Agreement" (for the free usages)

2022-01-31 Thread Mark J. Bailey 
Hello,

I was having to deal with RHEL8 for a client this weekend, and in doing some 
research on something related to the client’s need, I stumbled across yet 
another post in Reddit on Rocky/Alma/etc vs RHEL’s free usage scenarios. What 
caught my attention in particular was one commenter pointed out this hidden 
“gem” of a clause in the Red Hat’s “Enterprise Agreement” (that you have to 
agree to in order to be able to legally use it for free):

11. Review. While this Agreement is in effect and for one year thereafter, Red 
Hat or its designee, acting in accordance with Section 9, may inspect your 
facilities and records to verify your compliance with this Agreement. You agree 
to (a) respond promptly to requests for information, documents and/or records, 
(b) grant appropriate access for on site visits in order to verify your 
compliance, and (c) reasonably cooperate in connection with any such 
verification. Red Hat will provide at least ten (10) days prior written notice 
for any on site visits, and will conduct on site visits during regular business 
hours in a manner that reasonably minimizes interference with your business. If 
Red Hat notifies you of any noncompliance or underpayment, then you will 
resolve the non compliance and/or underpayment within fifteen (15) days from 
the date of notice. If the underpayment exceeds five percent (5%), then you 
will also reimburse Red Hat for the cost of the inspection.

I must admit, it was a bit of an eye opener. For my part, don’t think I’ve ever 
seen anything quite like this in the OSS “free” world. Anyways, it’s by and 
large a moot point of concern for most everyone present here, but still…. 

So, if the Red Hat Compliance Squad shows up at your home or work place, you’ll 
now know why! But your spouse or employer (or client even!) might be a little 
less understanding and sympathetic! 😊

Mark

Sent from Mail for Windows

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