[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Jim Peterson]

Secondly, if you are going to be collecting credit card
 information, what kind of security protocols you have in mind for
 protecting the data from a malicious insider?  One would not like to
 swipe cards only to learn later that it all got hacked out.

Manoj


Hear, hear! However, I don't know if it's the mild hangover, or just my
twisted sense of humor, but I hear the song "My Own Worst Enemy" playing...

Jim Peterson
Technology Coordinator
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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sat, Aug 29 2009, Howard wrote:

> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Secondly, if you are going to be collecting credit card
>>  information, what kind of security protocols you have in mind for
>>  protecting the data from a malicious insider?  One would not like to
>>  swipe cards only to learn later that it all got hacked out.

> Great point.  Please rest assured I can see no reason (good or 
> otherwise) to keep anything remotely financial regarding our 
> participants.  We don't collect dues; we haven't spent money as a club 
> in forever.

I was making that comment in response to a suggestion that
 people just swipe a credit card in order to register (see:
Message-ID: <48555fa40908281059r5511fb1cx83b48461f1207...@mail.gmail.com>
 ).

Before I swipe a card, I would like to know who I can sue for
 negligence when my data takes a walk :-)

> Security is a priority; any member access from the web site needs proper 
> credentials.  I will accept any and all assistance with the security 
> process - not my bag.

I would suggest you do not get people to swipe credit cards,
 then.  A simple rails gui atop a basic DB would be all that we need,
 really.  Something I think Rick or Steve can whip up in 30 minutes or
 so.

manoj
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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Howard]

Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Secondly, if you are going to be collecting credit card
>  information, what kind of security protocols you have in mind for
>  protecting the data from a malicious insider?  One would not like to
>  swipe cards only to learn later that it all got hacked out.
> 
> manoj

Great point.  Please rest assured I can see no reason (good or 
otherwise) to keep anything remotely financial regarding our 
participants.  We don't collect dues; we haven't spent money as a club 
in forever.

Security is a priority; any member access from the web site needs proper 
credentials.  I will accept any and all assistance with the security 
process - not my bag.

Howard

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Fri, Aug 28 2009, John wrote:

>> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting
>> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so
>> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.
>
> It may not be a desirable option from the standpoint that it has a
> price tag attached to it, but what about using an account with a
> service like Emma?

I don't really care one way or the other if it has a price tag,
 but is it free software?

Secondly, if you are going to be collecting credit card
 information, what kind of security protocols you have in mind for
 protecting the data from a malicious insider?  One would not like to
 swipe cards only to learn later that it all got hacked out.

manoj
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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Howard White]

Evan Brown wrote:
> I would suggest, although it really is overkill, to do a vtiger install 
> as you can easily modify fields and set up user permissions that would 
> work perfectly for this.

What you don't know is that my Asterisk/Elastix demo machine (which I 
bring to LinuxFest) has vTiger and SugarCRM installed upon it by 
default.  I was actually leaning towards Sugar as it has more event and 
lead tracking that vTiger (but we are truly splitting hairs here). 
Either one is more than enough.  A frigging spreadsheet would be enough 
for most of what we need...

Changing the fields we track is of interest as many people do NOT want 
to use their legal names.  We need a clean place to track "nomes du 
guerre."  I can't keep the players straight without a scorecard.

And to the point of Emma, depending on how we link "IT" to the web, 
SugarCRM can manage email campaigns for anything we need to do.  We even 
wrote an extra module to link Sugar to Emma.

Howard

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[John]

> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting
> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so
> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.

It may not be a desirable option from the standpoint that it has a
price tag attached to it, but what about using an account with a
service like Emma? It would make it really easy to collect member
information and conduct activities like polling and voting for our
largely online membership. I have a co-branded account with Emma
established. However, they may cut NLUG some kind of a break in a
direct relationship since they support other OSS user groups.

JC
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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Ken Barber]

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jack  wrote:

> They chip pets and 'industrial animals'.

So yes, they do chip musicians... especially drummers

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[John F. Eldredge]

A few people have already chosen to have this do e to them.  Are you 
volunteering to be a test subject?

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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:50:44 
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They chip pets and 'industrial animals'.  Why not people?


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM, David R. Wilson  wrote:

>
> Are you saying the band members need RFID implants?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 13:28 -0400, JMJ wrote:
> > Howard White wrote:
> >
> > > My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> > > up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.
> >
> > Sounds like a good idea!  Perhaps you could incorporate an RFID reader
> > and capture info from any RFID-enabled items they may have on their
> > person, e.g. a passport.
> >
> > What hardware/software are you planning to use?
> >
> > My abilities are pretty meager, but I'd be willing to help out since I
> > could transfer knowledge/skill gained from this sort of project to
> > benefit the band I sing with.
> >
> > JMJ
> >
> >
>
> >
>




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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Jack]

They chip pets and 'industrial animals'.  Why not people?


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:46 PM, David R. Wilson  wrote:

>
> Are you saying the band members need RFID implants?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 13:28 -0400, JMJ wrote:
> > Howard White wrote:
> >
> > > My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> > > up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.
> >
> > Sounds like a good idea!  Perhaps you could incorporate an RFID reader
> > and capture info from any RFID-enabled items they may have on their
> > person, e.g. a passport.
> >
> > What hardware/software are you planning to use?
> >
> > My abilities are pretty meager, but I'd be willing to help out since I
> > could transfer knowledge/skill gained from this sort of project to
> > benefit the band I sing with.
> >
> > JMJ
> >
> >
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Evan Brown]

I would suggest, although it really is overkill, to do a vtiger install as
you can easily modify fields and set up user permissions that would work
perfectly for this.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Howard White  wrote:

>
> Members,
>
> My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.  Our
> event in June did not record members and visitors; by extension we did
> not follow up with those visitors.  Given that NLUG is a _computer_
> group, it seemed to me to be rather silly to ask people to _write_ their
> names and email addresses on a piece of paper!  How 20th century.
>
> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting
> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so
> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.
>
> REST ASSURED, NO EMAIL OR NAME INFORMATION SHALL BE USED FOR PURPOSES
> OTHER THAN NLUG ACTIVITIES.  Such activities do not include fund raising
> for any .
>
> Comments?
>
> Howard White
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Jim Peterson]

Sounds like a good idea, maybe even allow online signups? That way you
could still reach those who intended to come but couldn't for whatever
reason.  And, I would offer that writing your name is even further back,
like 18th-century!

Jim Peterson
Technology Coordinator
Goodnight Memorial Library
203 S. Main St.
Franklin, KY  42134
(270) 586-8397
www.gmpl.org
Tweet me @GMLGeek
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On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 10:43 -0500, Howard White wrote:

> Members,
> 
> My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set 
> up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.  Our 
> event in June did not record members and visitors; by extension we did 
> not follow up with those visitors.  Given that NLUG is a _computer_ 
> group, it seemed to me to be rather silly to ask people to _write_ their 
> names and email addresses on a piece of paper!  How 20th century.
> 
> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting 
> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so 
> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.
> 
> REST ASSURED, NO EMAIL OR NAME INFORMATION SHALL BE USED FOR PURPOSES 
> OTHER THAN NLUG ACTIVITIES.  Such activities do not include fund raising 
> for any .
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Howard White
> 
> > 

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[David R. Wilson]

Are you saying the band members need RFID implants?

Dave


On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 13:28 -0400, JMJ wrote:
> Howard White wrote:
> 
> > My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set 
> > up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.
> 
> Sounds like a good idea!  Perhaps you could incorporate an RFID reader 
> and capture info from any RFID-enabled items they may have on their 
> person, e.g. a passport.
> 
> What hardware/software are you planning to use?
> 
> My abilities are pretty meager, but I'd be willing to help out since I 
> could transfer knowledge/skill gained from this sort of project to 
> benefit the band I sing with.
> 
> JMJ
> 
> 

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Andrew Farnsworth]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:28 PM, JMJ  wrote:

>
> Howard White wrote:
>
> > My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> > up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.
>
> Sounds like a good idea!  Perhaps you could incorporate an RFID reader
> and capture info from any RFID-enabled items they may have on their
> person, e.g. a passport.
>

This would be really cool, but how many people(*) actually carry their
passports with them all the time.

Andy

* - Actually I do, mine is within arms reach right now.  Habit left over
from working in Europe and not knowing which country I would be in
tomorrow... or which country I was currently in for that matter :-)

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Andrew Farnsworth]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Howard White  wrote:

>
> Members,
>
> My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.  Our
> event in June did not record members and visitors; by extension we did
> not follow up with those visitors.  Given that NLUG is a _computer_
> group, it seemed to me to be rather silly to ask people to _write_ their
> names and email addresses on a piece of paper!  How 20th century.
>
> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting
> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so
> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.
>
> REST ASSURED, NO EMAIL OR NAME INFORMATION SHALL BE USED FOR PURPOSES
> OTHER THAN NLUG ACTIVITIES.  Such activities do not include fund raising
> for any .
>
> Comments?
>
> Howard White


Howard,

Gathering this information would be very good and certainly appropriate.  I
think we should gather all this information and then sell it (author quickly
ducks and runs after lighting such a huge fire :-) )  Seriously though,
gathering it is a great idea and I would suggest adding an option the user
may select that says something like "don't contact me for anything",
"contact me for more events like this one", "contact me for all NLUG
events", "Contact me every day!!!".

Andy

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Jack]

Some folks are skiddish about signing up for anything.  If you could do a
'quick and easy'
kind of a signup, not requiring anything if they insist, but requesting
information.

Also, give away businss cards whether they sign up or not
with the logo, and how to sign up for the mailing list, and the web address.
Possibly a few key works to catch the eye, like 'free', 'install fests',
'classes', 'email lists',
'open source', etc. listed on the cards as well. ... Just a thought.

><> ... Jack


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Howard White  wrote:

>
> Members,
>
> My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set
> up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.  Our
> event in June did not record members and visitors; by extension we did
> not follow up with those visitors.  Given that NLUG is a _computer_
> group, it seemed to me to be rather silly to ask people to _write_ their
> names and email addresses on a piece of paper!  How 20th century.
>
> NLUG has for years captured attendance information expressly for voting
> eligibility purposes.  My intent is to build on those efforts; not so
> much from a historical perspective but as a continuing project.
>
> REST ASSURED, NO EMAIL OR NAME INFORMATION SHALL BE USED FOR PURPOSES
> OTHER THAN NLUG ACTIVITIES.  Such activities do not include fund raising
> for any .
>
> Comments?
>
> Howard White
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[Jack]

Back in a former life, I was active in a user group elsewhere.

I considered putting in a 'bar swipe' on a 'checkin computer'.

The first time you visit/join, put in name, address, email, etc,
and choose some card, like Visa, Kroger, Drivers License, etc,
and swipe it.  The idea was to 'register' the card (like take the fields
in swipe strip 1 and encrypt it using password type, one way encrypting
method, and just saved.  Give the folks a 'sticker', so they can remember
what card they used.

The next meeting, just swipe the card, and you are 'registered' for
having attended that meeting.

We also found that it helpped to give away schwag, one or two things,
at each meeting.

When you have logged in, for the meeting, a random number generator
is run at the end of the meeting to choose a winner.

Officers were automatically excluded at that group, but that was
their way.

Schwag was usually an O'Riley book, software from SCO, Red Hat, etc.
Whomever we could email and beg stuff from.  The Books, we requested
a 500 word (more or less) review by the next meeting that we put on the
web site, and the 'schwag queen' (officer that handled getting the schwag,
usually the president, or vp) would send a copy and a link back to the
company.  It helped keep up 'relations' with the vendors.  Often when
we called and had 'commercial vendors' present, we would suggest them
bringing the schwag, t-shirt, mug, whatever.

We also gave schwag credit on our web site for helping sponsor the
meetings.

Enough of my ADD wanderings.  If it something sounds good, use it.
If not, the this is just more wast of all our bandwidth!

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[nlug] Re: Exercise in massive overkill

[JMJ]

Howard White wrote:

> My action item in advance of the LinuxFest September 19, 2009 is to set 
> up a Customer Relationship Management system as a sign up sheet.

Sounds like a good idea!  Perhaps you could incorporate an RFID reader 
and capture info from any RFID-enabled items they may have on their 
person, e.g. a passport.

What hardware/software are you planning to use?

My abilities are pretty meager, but I'd be willing to help out since I 
could transfer knowledge/skill gained from this sort of project to 
benefit the band I sing with.

JMJ

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