[NSP] Re: on keilder side
Thanks John, for the correction -- I had assumed and was wrong - sorry Kevin ! Dave S On 7/16/2011 12:00 AM, Gibbons, John wrote: Kevin, Tom Anderson, who wrote it, explained in an interview in 1970, printed in his book ''Ringing Strings'' ''I was coming out of Eshaness in late January 1969,the time was after 11pm and as I looked back at the top of the hill leading out of the district I saw so few lights compared to what I had remembered when I was young. As I watched, the lights started going out one by one. That, coupled with the recent death of my late wife, made me think of the old word 'Slockit' meaning, a light that has gone out, and I think that was what inspired the tune.'' John From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] on behalf of Dave S [david...@pt.lu] Sent: 15 July 2011 22:27 To: Kevin Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [NSP] Re: on keilder side Hi, It's probably a lighthouse on a promontary called Da Slockit in the Shetland Islands -- super tune on NSP. Tom Anderson wrote some superb melodies for violin --- and the Kielder is a village and a river Dave S On 7/15/2011 10:43 PM, Kevin wrote: Hello to All, i have just had a question from my Swedish friend who is asking the meaning of a tune: On one of Kathryn Tickells earliest recordings on kielder side theres a happy tune called da slockit light do you know the tune? which i can only guess means the turned of light?. What does it really mean? And what is on kielder side? Is it a river perhaps. Thanks. Mikael. can anyone enlighten him on the title of the tune? kevin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3766 - Release Date: 07/15/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1516/3766 - Release Date: 07/15/11
[NSP] Re: Shield's H'pipe
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Matt Seattle [1]theborderpi...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Francis Wood [2]oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote: I think history and evolution have been fairly kind to Isaac Cooper. A lively 'Miss Forbes' Farewell' is a cracking tune! Yes, history, evolution, and Will Atkinson. His is the 'definitive', most finely wrought version to my ears. Did he come up with it or learn it from someone else? As a postscript, at Rothbury today I heard Jimmy Little's winning medley in the Miscellaneous Instruments class, including Miss Forbes' Farewell. The same version as Will Atkinson played, with all the bounce and lilt that Anthony prizes, and at a decent lick too. Absolutely delightful! -- References 1. mailto:theborderpi...@googlemail.com 2. mailto:oatenp...@googlemail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: on keilder side
Den 16-07-2011 00:00, Gibbons, John skrev: Kevin, Tom Anderson, who wrote it, explained in an interview in 1970, printed in his bo ok ''Ringing Strings'' cut... made me think of the old word 'Slockit' meaning, a light that has gone o ut, and I think that was what inspired the tune. Just a little scrap of information: The word slockit is in fact just a different way of spelling the Danish /Scandinavian word slukket meaning extinguished or turned off. This is a quite normal word that we use every day. The facinating thing is that the old Danish Tounge has lived on in the Shetlands and Orkneys since viking age, and that the traditional music in the islands and in eastern scotland and Northumbria shows a resemblance with traditional music from the west coast area of Jutland in Denmark that is absent in eastern Denmark. Bo Albrechtsen Denmark -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: on keilder side
Many thanks to all who replied, it is great, i have passed the info on to my Swedish friend, and also it was interesting for me as i had visited the Shetlands before, so it was nice to identify the tune with that Island. many thanks kevin --- On Fri, 15/7/11, Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Kevin tilb...@yahoo.com Subject: [NSP] on keilder side To: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 15 July, 2011, 21:43 Hello to All, i have just had a question from my Swedish friend who is asking the meaning of a tune: On one of Kathryn Tickells earliest recordings on kielder side theres a happy tune called da slockit light do you know the tune? which i can only guess means the turned of light?. What does it really mean? And what is on kielder side? Is it a river perhaps. Thanks. Mikael. can anyone enlighten him on the title of the tune? kevin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances
Francis Wood wrote; I'm not convinced that this is anything else other than nonsense. It starts familiarly but then goes completely mad ( a brief allusion to 'Il est né, le Divin Enfant' creeps in) and goes all over the place. I agree, though . . . a very interesting character! Mr Dunk was heavily involved in the highbrow music scene He may have thought he was, but did the highbrow music scene agree? Well, the educated musicians of Dunks day tended to be snobbish and condescending towards folk music and musicians. We would do well to avoid that pitfall in return. Having looked at Dunks ms in abc then it does appear on the surface to have no merit. If however you realise that the thing has no musical punctuation at all then you have a way into the piece. His ms may have been a work in progress, and handed over with a few verbal instructions which were never passed down the line. Add normal form to it and bar 9 needs a first part repeat, with 10 for the second time thro. Same for bars 18 and 19. This left the end still confused but I realised that bars 26 abd 27 were the first time and 28 and 29 the last time thro, played slowly for a big finish. Probably you would play the piece 2As, 2Bs over with 2Cs to finish with a flourish. Here it is, amended. I hope it reads ok as melody leaves a lot of dross which I had to edit out. Pay more attention next time, because it works ok even if a little unfamiliar. Cheers, Dave X:Music edited by Dave Shaw T:Whin Shields on the Wall C:John L. Dunk Q:1/4=104 M:2/4 L:1/16 K:G d2 |:B2G2 G2B2 |A2D2 D2D2 | G2G2 GABc |d3B d2g2 |e2c2 c2e2 | d2G2 G2AB |c2E2 E2FG |[1ABcd e2fg :|[2 decB ABGF |:G3E G2B2 |e2B2 B2e2 | d3A d2e2 |a2e2 e2f2 |g3e g2f2 | e2d2 c2B2 |A2d2 d2fd |[1A2d2 e2fg :|[2 a3g gfed |:B2G2 GABG |A2D2 D2EF | G2G2 GABc |d6 g2 |e2c2 c2de | d2G2 G2AB |[1c2B2 A2G2 |dedB GAGE :|[2 c3F Fd2G-|G3E G4 |] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances
Hello Dave and others, I must say, I greatly prefer Gilbert Askew's re-working of this tune to the reworking of the abc below! What Dunk submitted in manuscript to the NPS was no scribble. Its appearance looks plausible and musically literate and there's no doubt at all as to the intentions of its content. The problem is that it remains musical nonsense. It's interesting that Askew (who edited the NPS Tunebook in 1936) found value in this tune, as well as Dunk's other included tune, the Lass of Falstone. I don't know whether that one required similar remedial attention. These are his remarks in the introduction: The editor also wishes to thank his friend Mr. John L. Dunk for the Whinshields Hornpipe [Askew has also changed the title here] and the Lass o' Falstone, two very successful essays in what may be termed the Northumbrian mode, by the author of , Hyperacoustics Tonality - its Rational Basis and Elementary Development and other works dealing with the philosophic aspect of music. Perhaps it was really a question of you hum it and I'll write it. Is it possible that, after all, Dunk couldn't accurately represent the tune himself in written form? Incidentally the choice of tunes in that collection wasn't Askew's alone. Several other members were also acknowledged in this task, including Jack Armstrong who could certainly recognise a tune that was good, and logically one that was not. So what was really going on here? Francis On 16 Jul 2011, at 23:11, Dave Shaw wrote: Francis Wood wrote; I'm not convinced that this is anything else other than nonsense. It starts familiarly but then goes completely mad ( a brief allusion to 'Il est né, le Divin Enfant' creeps in) and goes all over the place. I agree, though . . . a very interesting character! Mr Dunk was heavily involved in the highbrow music scene He may have thought he was, but did the highbrow music scene agree? Well, the educated musicians of Dunks day tended to be snobbish and condescending towards folk music and musicians. We would do well to avoid that pitfall in return. Having looked at Dunks ms in abc then it does appear on the surface to have no merit. If however you realise that the thing has no musical punctuation at all then you have a way into the piece. His ms may have been a work in progress, and handed over with a few verbal instructions which were never passed down the line. Add normal form to it and bar 9 needs a first part repeat, with 10 for the second time thro. Same for bars 18 and 19. This left the end still confused but I realised that bars 26 abd 27 were the first time and 28 and 29 the last time thro, played slowly for a big finish. Probably you would play the piece 2As, 2Bs over with 2Cs to finish with a flourish. Here it is, amended. I hope it reads ok as melody leaves a lot of dross which I had to edit out. Pay more attention next time, because it works ok even if a little unfamiliar. Cheers, Dave X:Music edited by Dave Shaw T:Whin Shields on the Wall C:John L. Dunk Q:1/4=104 M:2/4 L:1/16 K:G d2 |:B2G2 G2B2 |A2D2 D2D2 | G2G2 GABc |d3B d2g2 |e2c2 c2e2 | d2G2 G2AB |c2E2 E2FG |[1ABcd e2fg :|[2 decB ABGF |:G3E G2B2 |e2B2 B2e2 | d3A d2e2 |a2e2 e2f2 |g3e g2f2 | e2d2 c2B2 |A2d2 d2fd |[1A2d2 e2fg :|[2 a3g gfed |:B2G2 GABG |A2D2 D2EF | G2G2 GABc |d6 g2 |e2c2 c2de | d2G2 G2AB |[1c2B2 A2G2 |dedB GAGE :|[2 c3F Fd2G-|G3E G4 |] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Mr Dunk - Inspector of Public Nuisances
I would like to thank Dave for the effort he has put into this. I do not believe the piece is without merit, but it is beyond my personal musical capacity. Quoting Dave Shaw d...@daveshaw.co.uk: Well, the educated musicians of Dunks day tended to be snobbish and condescending towards and musicians. We would do well to avoid that pitfall in return. I think that the attitude of educated musicians and the professional classes to what they themselves classified as folk music was a little complex. As well as condescension, there was also fear, suspicion, admiration, envy... I think they didn't get it! If I feel any suspicion towards that class it is hugely mitigated by the Christmas Carols of Ralph Vaughan Williams which I think show how a Classical or highbrow Composer can be influenced by the indigenous music of Britain in much the same way as Middle European composers took the music of their own regions as inspirations for their compositions. Here it is, amended. I hope it reads OK as melody leaves a lot of dross which I had to edit out. I would like to hear an audio clip of your version. I for one do not read well enough to appraise your ABC Pay more attention next time, because it works OK even if a little unfamiliar. You have just echoed my gut instinct. Barry To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
