[NSP] Re: Trad.nsp vs Dartmouth
John, I try to stay out of these public debates, as it seems nothing good ever comes of them. But I really think it is unfair of you to categorize the argument as elitism because a couple of the best plpers are trying to make people understand how to play their instrument properly. I'll stop now before I anger too many friends! best wishes, Rick Damon On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:50 PM, John Dally wrote: I don't understand the rift between the proper pipers and the NPS. Don't they owe much of their fame to winning and judging competitions there? Doesn't the NPS publish and sell their books? I'm sorry to see fractious elitism born again. I thought we had gone beyond that a couple of years ago, finally. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Dave S david...@pt.lu wrote: Hi Inky, -- glad you keep one eye open and nope I can't play proper - I don't have the wrapper of the tradition anywhere near - so I don't even bother with any form of competition, I just like great instruments. Dave S On 6/16/2011 8:08 PM, Inky- Adrian wrote: The annual smallpipe Bitch and Bite comps. will be in July. There will be 6 classes: absolute sloppyness and running-your-notes-in, just damn right easy-playing, almost there, nearly normal, can't play like that-it's too hard and tight as a cats arsehole. Tommy Breckons would be proud of me! -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3707 - Release Date: 06/16/11 Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup.
[NSP] Re: E major tune
Anthony, can you explain why one would want to play such a tune in Emaj, when it fits nicely in Gmaj? Just wondering... On May 17, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup.
[NSP] Re: E major tune
Thanks, Anthony. That is helpful. Now I'll just have to give it a try both ways to see how each sounds I guess. I don't think an ABC player cuts it for this sort of thing. -- Rick On May 17, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: Hello Rick That's probably a one for Catriona but I'll take a stab - a) It's the key it seems to have been written in b) It probably fits well on the fiddle and that's what the teacher played c) When people alter keys like that (eg. Calliope House from Emaj to Dmaj) something is lost and most importantly d) It sounded really lovely in that key. In this particular instance Alice was the only piper among a group of hotshot players - mostly fiddlers - so she just fitted in. The thing was she made such a good job of it Catriona dropped a group of about 10 down to just her and Alice to really punch it along as a middle tune in a great set. Anthony --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu wrote: From: Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: E major tune To: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com Cc: Dartmouth NPS nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 15:21 Anthony, can you explain why one would want to play such a tune in Emaj, when it fits nicely in Gmaj? Just wondering... On May 17, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Anthony Robb wrote: --- On Tue, 17/5/11, Gibbons, John j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote: It is remarkable that an Emaj tune can be played successfully, 4 sharps away from the NSP's home key. It might be easier if the tune was on a gapped scale rather than full-blown E major, but it is hard to avoid the E-B interval, which isn't quite a 5th on NSP, but should be in this key. Playing on the keys rather than fingerholes slows us mortals down, too. I'd like to see the dots or abc of the tune, just to know what some people are managing nowadays. Hello John all Neil Tavernor kindly sent attachments of two versions in ABC from JC tune finder. Here's a link to ABC and sheetmusic formats: [1]http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8853/comments 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup. Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup. --
[NSP] Re: Cocks Bryan Book for sale
Wayne, I'd be glad to store it for you! --Rick On May 13, 2011, at 2:04 PM, wayne cripps wrote: I have one of those too, but nobody seemed to be interested in it. Wayne On May 12, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Steve Bliven wrote: Posted on the Chiff Fipple Used Instruments Board by flutemaker Casey Burns; [1]http://forums.chiffandfipple.com/viewtopic.php?f=35t=82144 Am selling my old copy of The Northumbrian Bagpipes by Cocks and Bryan, published by the Northumbrian Pipers Society in 1975 There are a few handwritten notes inside, and the cover is faded some and there are the occasion dirt and oil stains (this lived in my workshop). Otherwise in good shape. $100 plus postage Email me at [2]caseyburnsflu...@gmail.com if interested Disclaimer: I know nothing more than what is posted here. I'm passing it on to the list on the chance that someone might be interested. Best wishes. Steve -- References 1. http://forums.chiffandfipple.com/viewtopic.php?f=35t=82144 2. file://localhost/net/people/lute-arc/caseyburnsflu...@gmail.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Rick Damon richard.a.damon@dartmouth.edu A computer without Windows is like a chocolate chip cookie without ketchup.
[NSP] Re: re-conditioning ... (dangers of brass tarnish?)
My SSP set is gold-plated (no keys) and looks as good as new 15 years on now. My NSP (only a few years old) is silver-plated and also looks as good as new. But the gold really stands out, so if you can afford the extra cost, it's really worthwhile! --Rick On Jan 14, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Julia Say wrote: On 14 Jan 2011, Colin wrote: Gold fittings won't tarnish (well, people have gold flutes so why not). There are gold-plated sets. The cost, in the current metals market, involves the phrase arm and a leg when compared to silver plate though. Gold plate is also applied much thinner than silver plate (to keep the cost down, presumably). So it might wear through on much used keys for example. It's probably cheaper than a solid silver set right now even so. Julia To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: a key question for NSPipers
Great question, John. I'm sure there are people who get the extra keys because the look cool, but I'd hope that you'd not get the bigger chanter until you needed it. By that I mean that you need it to play the music you want to play. I started out with at 7-key set, and I'm glad I did. I think you are more likely to pay closer attention to the basics that way. But I kept setting aside music that I'd love to play if only I had more keys. By the time I was ready to move to a big chanter I had tunes waiting that called for a lot of keys! I ended up getting a 16-key set, but soon wished I'd gone for 17 keys. (I'm missing the low D#, which everyone told me I didn't need. Many people still tell me that, but I know what I want!) I just recently started working on a tune that uses the one key I'd never used, so I'm now vindicated in getting this chanter. When I got it, though, I had immediate buyer's remorse, wondering what I'd gotten myself into. --Rick On Dec 14, 2010, at 11:58 AM, John Dally wrote: When do you qualify to really need more keys? When I ordered my set a number of years ago I was convinced that the desire for 17 keys was really too much, so I ordered a thirteen key set instead. Now I find myself reaching for the two missing Bb's and C#'s. Is there such a thing as key-envy? Is it presumptuous or perhaps a failure of imagination to want more keys? How many keys is enough? I hear tell of twenty five key chanters now. Is this obsession a pipemaker's nightmare? cheers, John To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Help please
Ditto to what Sheila said. I just tried it on a Mac with Safari. Also tried it on Windoze with IE. Glad to continue with Firefox or anything else any time you ask, Anthony. --Rick On Nov 16, 2010, at 4:13 PM, bri...@aol.com wrote: Sorry, Anthony, but that's the way we 're hearing it also. I know that it sounded interesting when you combined Windy Gyle Slow Air and fast Jig, but interesting is not the adjective I'd use for this combination. Sheila -Original Message- From: Anthony Robb anth...@robbpipes.com To: Chris Almond chrisalmo...@aol.com; John Birchall Andrea Egner john.birch...@t-online.de; Ewan Barker e.bar...@ballarat.edu.au; NIGEL BARLOW barlowsmallpi...@btinternet.com; Kim Bibby-Wilson k...@northumbriana.org.uk; Anne Dolphin Bill Toy annedolp...@hotmail.com; Edmund Boulting lkmar...@bellsouth.net; Sheila John Bridges bri...@aol.com; Steve Campbell s.campbell...@btinternet.com; Paul Tabbush Carolyn Robson paul.tabb...@virgin.net; Margaret Cato dmc...@talktalk.net; Tevye Celius t-cel...@onu.edu; Sue Clark sue.cl...@blueyonder.co.uk; Roger Clubley ro...@clubleys.co.uk; Dave Cook dco...@talk21.com; John Corrigan j...@x1jjc.wanadoo.co.uk; Graham O'Sullivan grahamjosulli...@yahoo.co.uk; David Oliver dmomu...@hotmail.co.uk; Sara Paton cookie_...@hotmail.com; Tristan Seldon lord.nit...@googlemail.com; Gill Sergeant gsat5...@aol.com; Dave Singleton david...@pt.lu; neil smith' nwspi...@hotmail.co.uk; Neil Tavernor neiltavernor! @b! tinternet.com; Jenny Tunbridge g.tunbri...@allsaints-gosforth.org.uk; Lindy Turner l.turne...@btinternet.com; Hans Waltl wa...@compuserve.com; Francis Wood oatenp...@googlemail.com Sent: Tue, Nov 16, 2010 9:54 am Subject: Help please Hello Folks May I ask for your help to see if you experience all clips playing automatically and simultaneously (OUCH!!) when viewing my website www.robbpipes.com It seems fine from this end but there is at least 1 person out there finding this problem and I'd like to see how universal it is. Hugs thanks all round for any assistance with this. Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: smallpipes
On May 28, 2009, at 4:26 AM, [1]christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: KT has mastered the tradition, internalised it, and built on it. She is a creator rather than a curator. Since Chris has been saying such nice things about KT I thought I should re-visit her work, in case I'm missing something. Check the following link and you too will be impressed! [2]http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=JR5UoFbcI5Y (Give it a couple of seconds to finish loading, and turn the sound up!) -- References 1. mailto:christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu 2. http://james.nerdiphythesoul.com/bennyhillifier/?id=JR5UoFbcI5Y To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: None piping query
I've got some unused spam you can have if you're so desperate for mail, Richard! :-) On Apr 20, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Richard Shuttleworth wrote: An envelope has just arrived in the mail bearing an Oxford postmark and dated April 15, 2009. It is addressed in what looks like an older person's handwriting and has no mention of the sender's name or address. Unfortunately, the envelope was empty and I have no idea who the writer was. I am sending this note to the NSP list in the offchance that a piper in the Oxford area is trying to get in touch with me. If so, perhaps he or she could respond to this e-mail. My aplogies to the rest of the list. Richard Shuttleworth Philipsburg, Quebec -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: piping style
Tim, I think the suggestion that someone who wants to master the instrument and play well is doing it as a technical exercise instead of enjoying playing music is insulting. I believe that if you're going to play music you first need to get a level of competency on the instrument you play. I certainly agree that there are many styles of playing, and a wide range of musical tastes. --Rick On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:31 AM, tim rolls BT wrote: I too have little experience of piping, but I agree that the area of the correct way to play is a subject of some debate. I am keen to ensure that the NSP community is receptive to the efforts of young pipers, (and older ones, no prejudice here) so as I reckon you have a good thirty years yet of being a young piper you will have plenty of opportunity to develop your style, jazz on the pipes eh? Rick, if you are in the group treating pipes playing as a technical exercise, and trying to achieve a certain traditional technique is your aim, then certainly there is a right answer, and luckily there are pipers who will gladly help you work towards that aim, but if your aim is more philosophical, like trying to enjoy playing the music you can make for your own pleasure, then it would seem there are as many right answers as there are players. In general, the latter group don't try to tell the former not to try and achieve the perfection they are looking for! Each to his own. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
But Chris, we're not talking about styles at all. We're talking about something more simple than that, just learning to control the instrument. Or do you consider playing well a different style of playing than playing sloppily? Whether you play the traditional tunes or rock and roll is something that can get people rather worked up, but that's not what the discussion is. I sometimes think of this in terms of language. Different languages require you to make different sounds. If you don't learn to make the sounds first, you can't make the words, and if you can't make the words, you can't make the phrases, etc. --Rick On Apr 14, 2009, at 5:05 AM, christopher.bi...@ec.europa.eu wrote: Do you think math teachers are unfair for calling answers wrong? I'm sorry, but this is frankly silly. Proving things write or rongue is what maths is about. Something may be wrong when playing a given style music (like playing jazz as if it was classical and vice versa) but describing a style as wrong in itself can only be regarded as narrow-mindedness - can't it? c To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[NSP] Re: Re:
David, Are you also opposed to giving out grades in school, as it might traumatize or hinder the creativity of those who march to a different drummer? Do you think math teachers are unfair for calling answers wrong? --Rick On Apr 13, 2009, at 2:56 PM, David Baker wrote: Though I may not be able to offer much in the way of piping experience as yet, I don't think it fair to call any style of playing any instrument 'incorrect' simply because it does not adhere rigidly to tradition. I play the trumpet as well as the NSP. Had it not been for certain groups of musicians breaking the rules because what resulted sounded good to them, the only style of trumpet playing would be baroque, and jazz would not exist (to give but one example). I would hope the NSP community was receptive to the efforts of young players (I hope at 22 I can still call myself one) expressing themselves through their chosen instrument and working hard in order to do so. If not, this 'tradition' is indeed in real danger of dying out. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
