Re: [NTG-context] Selecting fonts using the built-in simplefonts module
On 29.03.2015 21:31, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 29.03.2015 um 20:33 schrieb Jörg Weger mailto:joerg73@googlemail.com>>: You need the familyname of the font, you use the font manager of your OS to get the name. \definefontfamily [junction] [rm] [Junction] \definefontfamily [junction] [mm] [Latin Modern Math] \definefontfamily [junction-light] [rm] [Junction] [tf=style:light,bf=style:regular] I just had it made working this way: \definefontfamily[mainface] [ss] [EgalobhierFarinUrlaubodersonstwasoderwersteht] [tf=Junction Light, bf=Junction Regular] \definefontfamily [mainface] [ss] [Junction] [tf=* Light,bf=* Regular] It seems that as soon as you define your own weights (which you can mix from different font families) in the fourth pair of brackets, there can be anything in the third pair of brackets (family name). \definefontfamily[mainface] [sans] [Anything] [regularfont=Junction Light, boldfont=Junction Regular] works as well and is more self-explaining. This will only work when you set a upright font or you will get problems. What problems do you mean? The following seems to work, only that there is a fallback to the fonts defined as upright fonts (which are in fact italic fonts) for the \em parts which seems to be the default behaviour if no italic fonts are defined in the fourth bracket pair: %%% MWE \definefontfamily[mainface][ss][EgalobhierFarinUrlaubodersonstwassteht][tf=Roboto Light Italic, bf=Roboto Black Italic] \setupbodyfont[mainface,9pt] \starttext \ss \input lorem \ss \bf \input lorem \ss \tf \em \input lorem \ss \bf \em \input lorem \stoptext %% End of MWE % Of course these font definitions do not make much sense but they work as I had expected from previous observations. And of course you should define all styles (\rm, \ss, \mm). An advantage of your way > \definefontfamily [junction-light] [rm] [Junction] > [tf=style:light,bf=style:regular] is that you have to type the family name only once if you re-define weights from the same family. When you use the keywords for the style you don’t have to look for the right names and simpelfonts has fallbacks when the requested style isn’t available. That is a nice option. Are there any reasons why one should not use any of all those synonyms? What do you mean? I mean that for example inside the second bracket pair “rm” equals “serif”, ”ss“ equals “sans” etc., in the fourth bracket pair “regularfont” equals “tf” etc. Are there recommendations to not use some of those apart from personal taste? Or is “rm” simply a shorter plain TeX heritage while “serif” is more self-explaining? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Selecting fonts using the built-in simplefonts module
On 29.03.2015 19:47, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 29.03.2015 um 14:40 schrieb Pavneet Arora mailto:pavneet_ar...@waroc.com>>:
Hello everyone,
After a long time I have some typesetting work in front of me...yippeee!
I am struggling with adapting my templates to the new integrated
simplefonts module, and hope that someone can help.
The three issues I am having are:
1. How does one find the proper expanded long name of the desired font.
For this project, I am using some fonts from The League of Moveable
Type (https://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/).
I have reloaded the fonts, and can list them, in the traditional
manner. What I don't know is how to find the proper name for---say
Junction Light---to use as the third argument in
'\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Junction Light]'
The use of 'Junction Light' doesn't work, and neither does
'Junction-Light', nor 'junctionlight', nor even 'Junction, Light'
which I retrieve from Font Viewer under Linux. MWE follows at the
end of this email. I reference Wolfgang's response stating that the
expanded name must be used
(http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2014/077321.html).
You need the familyname of the font, you use the font manager of your OS
to get the name.
\definefontfamily [junction] [rm] [Junction]
\definefontfamily [junction] [mm] [Latin Modern Math]
\definefontfamily [junction-light] [rm] [Junction]
[tf=style:light,bf=style:regular]
I just had it made working this way:
\definefontfamily[mainface]
[ss]
[EgalobhierFarinUrlaubodersonstwasoderwersteht]
[tf=Junction Light, bf=Junction Regular]
It seems that as soon as you define your own weights (which you can mix
from different font families) in the fourth pair of brackets, there can
be anything in the third pair of brackets (family name).
\definefontfamily[mainface]
[sans]
[Anything]
[regularfont=Junction Light, boldfont=Junction Regular]
works as well and is more self-explaining.
An advantage of your way
> \definefontfamily [junction-light] [rm] [Junction]
> [tf=style:light,bf=style:regular]
is that you have to type the family name only once if you re-define
weights from the same family.
Are there any reasons why one should not use any of all those synonyms?
Greetings Jörg
\definefontfamily [junction-light] [mm] [Latin Modern Math]
\setupbodyfont[junction]
\starttext
\input ward \bf \input ward
\blank \switchtobodyfont[junction-light]
\tf \input ward \bf \input ward
\stoptext
2. How does one switch fonts in-line for small snippets of text? I
used to use '{\simplefont[heydingsicons] q}123.345.67890', but this
now results in an error.
tex error > error on line 7 in file
virtual://buffer.noname.1: ! Undefined control sequence
l.7 {\simplefont [heydingsicons] q}~123.456.7890
{\simplefont[heydingsicons..
When you use a symbol font define a command for it with \definesymbol
and access it with \symbol.
The example below uses the Font Awesome [1] font for the symbols (the
symbols are defined in the attached file).
\usesymbols[fontawesome]
\defineframed
[SymbolFrame]
[strut=no,
width=1em,
height=1em,
background=color,
backgroundcolor=black,
corner=round,
radius=.5ex,
foregroundcolor=white]
\definesymbol
[mysymbol]
[\SymbolFrame{\directsymbol{fontawesome}{question}}]
\starttext
\startlines
\symbol[fontawesome][question]
\symbol[fontawesome][question-circle]
\framed[strut=no,width=1em,height=1em,background=color,backgroundcolor=black,corner=round,radius=.5ex,foregroundcolor=white]{\symbol[fontawesome][question]}
\symbol[mysymbol]
\stoplines
\stoptext
3. This may be a more generic typescript mapping issue, but I still
struggle with understanding font mappings. I don't quite get how
the default mappings are done.
Look, for example, at Junction above. 'junction' is mapped to
'junctionbold' rather than 'junctionregular'. Is this just done by
taking the first in the list in alphabetic order?
Or how the League Gothic font is processed below. How is it that
leaguegothic is mapped to leaguegothiccondenseditalic by default?
What is the recommended way in this new simplefont scheme to set the
mappings for a document?
$ mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=leaguegothic
resolvers | trees | analyzing 'home:texmf'
resolvers | caching | skipping 'files' for 'home:texmf' from
'/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/trees/54be04d87dd160089f572b19cb5c97e9'
(version mismatch)
leaguegothic leaguegothiccondenseditalic
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/theleagueof-league-gothic-64c3ede/LeagueGothic-CondensedItalic.otf
leaguegothiccondenseditalicleaguegothiccondenseditalic
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/theleague
Re: [NTG-context] Selecting fonts using the built-in simplefonts module
Your mistake was that you did not use the correct font family name in
the third pair of square brackets. It is simply “Junction”.
I have yet to find out if ConTeXt itself can show a font’s true family name.
On Linux I am either using a command line tool called otfinfo (that
also shows me what opentype features are there) or I open the font with
fontforge (if I want to find out more about the details of opentype
features) or I open it with mate-font-viewer (fork of
gnome-font-viewer). In the latter the family name is shown in the first
line on the right.
Name: Junction
What desktop environment are you using?
As far as I have understood by default the built in font-selection
module uses the “family members” named “Regular” and “Bold” of a
selected font family, e.g. in
\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Junction]
\ss gives Junction Regular and \ss \bf gives Junction Bold
If you want to use different font weights you have to define them
yourself in a fourth pair of square brackets.
The League of Movable Type’s Junction font family offers three weights:
Light, Regular and Bold.
Assuming that you want to use Junction Light as your “regular sans
serif” font and Junction Regular as your “bold sans serif” you define
for sans serif:
\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Junction]
[regularfont=Junction Light, boldfont=Junction Regular]
Now \ss should give Junction Light and \ss \bf should give Junction Regular.
You can define italics as well, as the following definition for Google’s
Roboto shows where I am using light and black instead of regular and
bold. (Junction does not offer italic or slanted, that is why I use
Roboto as an example of a family with many weights and styles.
https://developer.android.com/design/style/typography.html should have
the reworked 2014 version for download.)
\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Roboto]
[regularfont=Roboto Light, italicfont=Roboto Light Italic,
boldfont=Roboto Black, bolditalicfont=Roboto Black Italic]
(You could even mix weights and styles from different font families.)
Hope that helps.
Greetings Jörg
On 29.03.2015 14:40, Pavneet Arora wrote:
Hello everyone,
After a long time I have some typesetting work in front of me...yippeee!
I am struggling with adapting my templates to the new integrated
simplefonts module, and hope that someone can help.
The three issues I am having are:
1. How does one find the proper expanded long name of the desired font.
For this project, I am using some fonts from The League of Moveable
Type (https://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/).
I have reloaded the fonts, and can list them, in the traditional
manner. What I don't know is how to find the proper name for---say
Junction Light---to use as the third argument in
'\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Junction Light]'
The use of 'Junction Light' doesn't work, and neither does
'Junction-Light', nor 'junctionlight', nor even 'Junction, Light'
which I retrieve from Font Viewer under Linux. MWE follows at the
end of this email. I reference Wolfgang's response stating that the
expanded name must be used
(http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2014/077321.html).
$ mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=junction
resolvers | trees | analyzing 'home:texmf'
resolvers | caching | skipping 'files' for 'home:texmf' from
'/opt/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/trees/54be04d87dd160089f572b19cb5c97e9'
(version mismatch)
junction junctionbold
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/junction-master/Junction-bold.otf
junctionbold junctionbold
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/junction-master/Junction-bold.otf
junctionlight junctionlight
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/junction-master/Junction-light.otf
junctionregular junctionregular
/home/pavneet/.fonts/opentype/TheLeagueOfMoveableType/junction-master/Junction-regular.otf
2. How does one switch fonts in-line for small snippets of text? I
used to use '{\simplefont[heydingsicons] q}123.345.67890', but this
now results in an error.
tex error > error on line 7 in file virtual://buffer.noname.1: !
Undefined control sequence
l.7 {\simplefont [heydingsicons] q}~123.456.7890
{\simplefont[heydingsicons..
3. This may be a more generic typescript mapping issue, but I still
struggle with understanding font mappings. I don't quite get how
the default mappings are done.
Look, for example, at Junction above. 'junction' is mapped to
'junctionbold' rather than 'junctionregular'. Is this just done by
taking the first in the list in alphabetic order?
Or how the League Gothic font is processed below. How is it that
leaguegothic is mapped to leaguegothiccondenseditalic by
Re: [NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and TikZ picture remembering
After putting the definition you proposed last in front of my minimal
example in mkiv beta 2015.02.03 it worked once and then not any more. I
also tried to remove all auxiliary files after a new pass.
But today I installed beta 2015.03.10 (complete fresh install as I keep
the older version in a renamed folder) and now the MWE with your extra
code renders repeatedly correct.
So this seems to be a workaround until you rewrite “write” as you said.
I will experiment further with tikz’ ‘remember’ picture mode.
Greetings Jörg
START MWE %
%D %%% Hans’ redefinition of write function: %%%
\def\syst_write#1#2%
{\ctxcommand{write(\number#1,\!!bs\normalunexpanded{#2}\!!es)}}
\unexpanded\def\writeviatex#1#2%
{\ifx\normalwrite\relax\else
\normalwrite#1{#2}%
\fi}
%%
\usemodule[tikz]
\usetikzlibrary[shapes.misc,arrows]
\starttext
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n1) {this};
belongs to
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n2) {that};
\starttikzpicture
[remember picture,overlay]
\draw[->] (n1.north) to [bend left] (n2.north);
\stoptikzpicture
\stoptext
STOP MWE %%
On 08.03.2015 23:17, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/8/2015 7:07 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.03.2015 um 18:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :
On 3/8/2015 1:04 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.03.2015 um 12:55 schrieb Hans Hagen mailto:pra...@wxs.nl>>:
On 3/8/2015 12:26 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.03.2015 um 11:11 schrieb Hans Hagen mailto:pra...@wxs.nl>
>:
this should help:
\unexpanded\def\writeviatex#1#2%
{\ifx\normalwrite\relax\else
% the \detokenize makes sure we don't expand \noexpanded macros
\normalwrite#1{\detokenize{#2}}%
\fi}
(in future version i might replace write completely)
Only partially because the saved positions from \pdfsavepos are
wrong.
in what sense wrong?
Content of the external file from MkIV (the entries on the first
page show 0
and the values on page 2 and 3 are always the same):
1:0:0
2:0:0
3:4661756:45255023
4:4661756:45255023
5:4661756:45255023
6:4661756:45255023
Content of the external file from MkII (different values for the first
and second position on each page):
1:6526435:46204089
2:4661756:45256000
3:6526435:46204089
4:4661756:45256000
5:6526435:46204089
6:4661756:45256000
ypositions can differ a bit because we use different fonts and so
does the interlinespace
But the values for both positions should be different which isn’t the
case for MkIV
and the first page saves 0 for the x and y positions.
It's a side effect of expansion at the wrong time (where such primitives
can return wrong values but at least they return something) but
something like this works:
\def\syst_write#1#2%
{\ctxcommand{write(\number#1,\!!bs\normalunexpanded{#2}\!!es)}}
\unexpanded\def\writeviatex#1#2%
{\ifx\normalwrite\relax\else
\normalwrite#1{#2}%
\fi}
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Re: [NTG-context] Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?
Thank you very much for that list. Greetings Jörg On 08.03.2015 13:58, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 08.03.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Jörg Weger : You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace. But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it? Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”? Are these enough? \starttext %\hsize\zeropoint \startlines a\enskip b a\quad b a\qquad b a\twoperemspace b a\threeperemspaceb a\fourperemspace b a\sixperemspace b a\figurespaceb a\punctuationspace b a\breakablethinspace b a\hairspace b a\zerowidthspace b \stoplines \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Does a "half-space" or small space exist in ConTeXt?
> You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
>
But \thinspace aka \, is a non-breaking space, isn’t it?
Is there a way to let it break a line if needed in certain circumstances
or is there something else like a “non-non-breaking thinspace”?
Greetings Jörg
On 08.03.2015 12:35, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 08.03.2015 um 12:24 schrieb Robert Blackstone :
Hi all,
I would like to use something like a "half-space" or small space in a situation
where neither no space, nor a normal space is ideal.
See the ME:
-
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setmainfont[Verdana]
\setupbodyfont[10pt]
\starttext
On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, moves to the
octave {\em \lohi{A}{a} .
\medskip
On the third beat a 6th between bass and tenor, {\em \lohi{B}{g}} , moves to
the octave {\em \lohi{A}{a}} .
\stoptext
Without a space after {\em \lohi{B}{g}}, the normal situation, the comma is too
close to the B, (and the period too close to the A), suggesting some
superscript.
A normal space does not look nice (but if necessary I could live with it)
Is there an intermediate size for a space somehow?
You can use \thinspace or \, which is the short form of \thinspace.
BTW. The context version of \medskip is \blank[medium].
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and TikZ picture remembering
> Is that really an mkiv issue? If I understood well tikz has its own way
> of keeping track of positions independent of context.
Normally yes.
But there is TikZ’ “remember picture” mode. You can produce several
independent TikZ pictures on a ConTeXt/LaTeX/plain text page. TikZ tells
ConTeXt (or LaTeX or plain TeX) to give back the coordinates of those
pictures on the page after the page has been typeset. TikZ can then draw
interconnections between those images which are rendered in an extra run.
In my example the rounded rectangles with the words inside are TikZ
images which are put inline into the ConteXt text by the command
\tikz[baseline] \node[, draw, anchor=text] {}
When I use
\tikz[baseline, remember picture] …
instead I activate the mode explained above and the arrows can be drawn
according to the “remembered” coordinates after ConTeXt’s first
typesetting run.
According to Wolfgang Schuster in the first reply in this thread when
using ConTeXt mkiv – other than mkii – file the coordinates given back
after the first typesetting run look strange in TikZ’ auxiliary so there
seems to be a mistake somnewhere between ConTeXt and TikZ in this regard.
Greetings Jörg
On 07.03.2015 15:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/7/2015 1:08 PM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Metapost’s learnig curve seems to be a lot steeper to me. It is really a
pity that ConTeXt mkiv does not save the node coordinates correctly as
Wolfgang found out.
Is that really an mkiv issue? If I understood well tikz has its own way
of keeping track of positions independent of context.
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and TikZ picture remembering
Thank you very much Hans and Aditya for your efforts and sorry for only
replying now — momentarily I am writing a paper (of course typeset with
ConTeXt :-) ) that has to get finished.
For now I have dropped the idea of using that certain type of
illustration in the paper as your METAPOST examples are working, but I
had forgotten to say that I need effectively two arrows from one part of
a sentence two two others (I am trying to illustrate a linguistic
ambiguity problem) and I did not manage to get that working starting
from your examples. Then I need a shape other than a tight frame to
surround the words, TikZ’ rounded rectangles were too nice for that. In
the moment I don’t have the time to dive deeper into METAPOST which
seems to be a mighty beast from what I see in the Metafun manual, but in
future I shurely will.
The nice thing about TikZ are that you can use the self explaining
commands rather intuitively (at least having some experience in Lilypond
and now ConTeXt), that there are many different building blocks
predefined that you can use and that there are hundreds of examples in
the internet that you can use as starting point. So I managed to get
some things working after a self-tought one day crash course –
Metapost’s learnig curve seems to be a lot steeper to me. It is really a
pity that ConTeXt mkiv does not save the node coordinates correctly as
Wolfgang found out.
Greetings Jörg
On 03.03.2015 20:28, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/3/2015 6:12 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
2. The metafun alternative is a bit inconvenient. Suppose you want to
draw a bunch of such graphics (words connected by arrows). Then, you
will need to ensure that node names are unique. (Is there a way to get
around that?)
\newcounter\connectedwordcounter
\starttexdefinition unexpanded fromword [#1]#2
\expandafter\pushmacro\csname cwc>#1\endcsname % nesting hack
\doglobal\increment\connectedwordcounter
\setxvalue{cwc>#1}{\connectedwordcounter}%
\startpositionoverlay{highlightoverlay}
\setMPpositiongraphic
{\getvalue{cwc>#1}>f}
{highlightgraphic}
{from=\getvalue{cwc>#1}>f,to=\getvalue{cwc>#1}>t}
\stoppositionoverlay
\hpos{\getvalue{cwc>#1}>f}{#2}%
\stoptexdefinition
\starttexdefinition unexpanded toword [#1]#2
\hpos{\getvalue{cwc>#1}>t}{#2}
\expandafter\popmacro\csname cwc>#1\endcsname % nesting hack
\stoptexdefinition
Thanks.
Aditya
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[NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and TikZ picture remembering
In the minimal working example below inside of a text two words should
be printed inside of rounded TikZ rectangles and should be connected by
an TikZ arrow pointing from the first word to the other.
TikZ offers the remember picture/overlay option for that.
The MWE works in MkII (command “texexec”) which I am not using, but not
in the latest MkIV (command “context”).
The problem might be that according to the PGF/TikZ manual “You need to
use a driver that supports picture remembering and you need to run TEX
twice” (16.13.1 Referencing a Node in a Different Picture).
So my questions are:
1.) Does LuaTeX support TikZ picture remembering?
2.) If so, how can I get ConTeXt MkIV to “run TeX twice”?
3.) If all of the above worked, would that work also if the inline TikZ
pictures to be remembered are on another file referenced via \input?
I have seen a solution similar to what I want to achieve in the METAFUN
manual but I don’t have a clue how to get that METAPOST alternative working.
Greetings Jörg
START MWE %
\usemodule[tikz]
\usetikzlibrary[shapes.misc,arrows]
\starttext
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n1) {this};
belongs to
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n2) {that};
\starttikzpicture
[remember picture,overlay]
\draw[->] (n1.north) to [bend left] (n2.north);
\stoptikzpicture
\stoptext
STOP MWE %%
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[NTG-context] Problem with MkIV and TikZ picture remembering
In the minimal working example below inside of a text two words should
be printed inside of rounded TikZ rectangles and should be connected by
an TikZ arrow pointing from the first word to the other.
TikZ offers the remember picture/overlay option for that.
The MWE works in MkII (command “texexec”) which I am not using, but not
in the latest MkIV (command “context”).
The problem might be that according to the PGF/TikZ manual “You need to
use a driver that supports picture remembering and you need to run TEX
twice” (16.13.1 Referencing a Node in a Different Picture).
So my questions are:
1.) Does LuaTeX support TikZ picture remembering?
2.) If so, how can I get ConTeXt MkIV to “run TeX twice”?
3.) If all of the above worked, would that work also if the inline TikZ
pictures to be remembered are on another file referenced via \input?
I have seen a solution similar to what I want to achieve in the METAFUN
manual but I don’t have a clue how to get that METAPOST alternative working.
Greetings Jörg
START MWE %
\usemodule[tikz]
\usetikzlibrary[shapes.misc,arrows]
\starttext
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n1) {this};
belongs to
\tikz[baseline,remember picture] \node[rounded
rectangle,draw,anchor=text] (n2) {that};
\starttikzpicture
[remember picture,overlay]
\draw[->] (n1.north) to [bend left] (n2.north);
\stoptikzpicture
\stoptext
STOP MWE %%
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Re: [NTG-context] superior numbers for footnote numbers?
Hello Hans,
Those are nice self-explanatory commands which also mean I don’t have to
define them myself.
From my short opentype feature experience I would add the following
combinations (defined names could be shortened, long names here only for
better explanation):
Tabular oldstyle numbers (oldstyle numbers aligning correctly in tables
through fixed spacing):
\definefontfeature[f:tabular_oldstyle][onum=yes,tnum=yes]
\unexpanded\def\settaboldstyle{\doaddfeature{f:tabular_oldstyle}}
\settaboldstyle
Proportional oldstyle numbers (oldstyle numbers for in-text use
spaced/kerned according to their forms):
\definefontfeature[f:proportional_oldstyle][onum=yes,pnum=yes]
\unexpanded\def\setpropoldstyle{\doaddfeature{f:proportional_oldstyle}}
\setpropoldstyle
Tabular lining numbers (lining numbers aligning correctly in tables
through fixed spacing):
\definefontfeature[f:tabular_lining][lnum=yes,tnum=yes]
\unexpanded\def\settablining{\doaddfeature{f:tabular_lining}}
\settablining
Proportional lining numbers (lining numbers spaced/kerned according to
their forms):
\definefontfeature[f:proportional_lining][lnum=yes,pnum=yes]
\unexpanded\def\setproplining{\doaddfeature{f:proportional_lining}}
\setproplining
plus
Scientific inferiors (numbers for subscript, e.g. in chemical formulas):
\definefontfeature[f:inferiors][sinf=yes]
\unexpanded\def\setinferiors{\doaddfeature{f:inferiors}}
\setinferiors
Of course all this works only if the font offers the according opentype
features.
Greetings Jörg
On 05.02.2015 23:46, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 2/5/2015 2:10 PM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Thank you very much! I had not thought it was that easy!
Jörg
On 05.02.2015 13:14, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\definefontfamily [mainface][rm][Linux Libertine O]
\definefontfamily [mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella Math]
\definefontfeature[f:sups][sups=yes]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\setupnote[footnote][textcommand=,textstyle=\addff{f:sups}]
\setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,headstyle=\addff{f:sups}]
\starttext
\input knuth\footnote{Knuth sample text}
\input ward\footnote{Ward sample text}
\stoptext
i'll add:
\definefontfeature[f:superiors][sups=yes]
\unexpanded\def\setsuperiors{\doaddfeature{f:superiors}}
(we already have \setsmallcaps, \settabular and \setoldstyle)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] superior numbers for footnote numbers?
Thank you very much! I had not thought it was that easy!
Jörg
On 05.02.2015 13:14, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
\definefontfamily [mainface][rm][Linux Libertine O]
\definefontfamily [mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Pagella Math]
\definefontfeature[f:sups][sups=yes]
\setupbodyfont[mainface]
\setupnote[footnote][textcommand=,textstyle=\addff{f:sups}]
\setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,headstyle=\addff{f:sups}]
\starttext
\input knuth\footnote{Knuth sample text}
\input ward\footnote{Ward sample text}
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] superior numbers for footnote numbers?
Better equipped opentype fonts offer so called superior numbers as an opentype feature. Those are special smaller figures for “superscript” (opentype feature “sups”) that are not simply scaled down versions of the normal figures (be they oldstyle or lining) you are normally using. Scaling down is as far as I understood the default way context is using to generate the numbers for footnotes. Is there a way to define the use of unscaled superiors according to the fontsizes of body text and footnote text instead? Greetings Jörg PS: I am using for serif the “Linux Libertine O” family (installed as OTF and invoked by the included mkiv simplefont mechanism) which has the “sups” feature. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] using context wiki offline?
The recent crash of the context wiki reminded me that for wikipedia it is possible to download the whole wiki and use it offline. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download It would be great if you could do that with contextgarden as well. (Maybe you can do that already but I don’t know how :) ) Greetings Jörg On 03.02.2015 16:45, Taco Hoekwater wrote: Hi guys, The harddisk of the server that (amongst other things) runs the ConTeXt wiki and various luatex.org websites has apparently crashed. We are trying to get the server running again, but it could take some time before everything is back online. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] PDF document statistics (character count incl. spaces)?
So I hope you might get bored once in a while before I have to write my bachelor thesis :) Greetings Jörg On 02.02.2015 00:56, Hans Hagen wrote: On 2/1/2015 10:06 PM, Jörg Weger wrote: Is the character count “wc --char ” returns with or without blank spaces? (Which is important for me.) “man wc” doesn’t talk about that. I had hoped there was a better way than to edit the result of “pdftotext” in my text editor or in libreoffice writer (deleting unnecessary carriage returns and spaces by searching for regular expressions) which are able to do the count I need. In fact I had hoped that ConTeXt was able to count the characters and spaces it renders to PDF (is that theoretically possible?) … it's not too hard so maybe when i'm bored or see a good reason .. Hans --- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] font search path and subfolders
Just did a complete reinstall and now the subfolders work. Also makes manual uninstall of fonts much more convenient. Cheers Jörg On 31.01.2015 21:07, Jörg Weger wrote: I tried to put the subfolders into a folder ~/fonts/ instead of ~/.fonts/ – same result :-( ls -la returns drwxr-xr-x for ~/.fonts/ as well as for ~/.fonts/opentype/ and ~/.fonts/truetype/ Greetings Jörg On 31.01.2015 19:26, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 01/31/2015 05:35 PM, Jörg Weger wrote: I still get (while using subfolders in ~/.fonts/opentype/) !LuaTeX error: cannot find OpenType font file for reading () ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1 after having run export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts//;$HOME/.fonts//" Hi Jörg, at least to avoid to run that again and again, I think you could add that at last line of tex/setuptex. BTW, do you have a ~/.fonts/truetype/ directory? And does ConTeXt load fonts from that directory without problems? Could it be that you have an issue with permissions in the ~/.fonts/opentype/ directory? What about creating a new directory with another name and moving your fonts there? I think it may be an issue with permissions. Just in case it helps, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] PDF document statistics (character count incl. spaces)?
Is the character count “wc --char ” returns with or without blank spaces? (Which is important for me.) “man wc” doesn’t talk about that. I had hoped there was a better way than to edit the result of “pdftotext” in my text editor or in libreoffice writer (deleting unnecessary carriage returns and spaces by searching for regular expressions) which are able to do the count I need. In fact I had hoped that ConTeXt was able to count the characters and spaces it renders to PDF (is that theoretically possible?) … Greetings Jörg On 01.02.2015 20:11, Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Sun, 1 Feb 2015, Jörg Weger wrote: Is there a way to report the “character count including spaces” of the resulting PDF in ConTeXt? Given that these counts are never accurate, how about pdftotext filename followed by wc filename Aditya ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Font switching on title page
Thank you very much Pablo, indeed it helps :)
Meanwhile I had found a solution by putting as well title and subtitle
(author name) into groups
\begingroup ... \endgroup
but your braces solution is less typing and less distraction from the text.
Greetings Jörg
On 01.02.2015 12:04, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 02/01/2015 11:37 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
I have started to design a title page for a paper.
First comes an information block at bodyfont size \tf (all in sans
serif), followed by the title of the paper in \bfd, then the author
(=me) in \bfa. The information block that follows then should be in
bodyfont size again, but it isn’t, it is too tall. What am I missing
about font switching? Is it maybe because it is a makeup page?
Hi Jörg,
"pagestate=stop" is the default in makeups, so you don’t need to add it.
\tf only changes the font to roman, but not the size. I don’t know
whether there is a switch that does that.
The best way avoid problems when using font switches is to enclose them
in braces.
Such as in (complete sample):
\definemakeup[titlepage][doublesided=no]
\starttext
\starttitlepagemakeup[top=,]
{\ss
information \crlf
about \crlf
university \crlf
and \crlf
course \par}
\blank[4*line]
{\bfd \ss
Paper \par}
\blank
{\bfa \ss
by me}
\blank[4*line]
{\ss
my \crlf
information, \crlf
adress \crlf
etc.}
\stoptitlepagemakeup
I hope it helps,
Pablo
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[NTG-context] Font switching on title page
I have started to design a title page for a paper. First comes an information block at bodyfont size \tf (all in sans serif), followed by the title of the paper in \bfd, then the author (=me) in \bfa. The information block that follows then should be in bodyfont size again, but it isn’t, it is too tall. What am I missing about font switching? Is it maybe because it is a makeup page? %% Here is a MWE %% \definemakeup[titlepage][pagestate=stop,doublesided=no] \starttext \starttitlepagemakeup[top=,] \tf \ss information \crlf about \crlf university \crlf and \crlf course \par \blank[4*line] \bfd \ss Paper \par \blank \bfa \ss by me \blank[4*line] \tf \ss my \crlf information, \crlf adress \crlf etc. \stoptitlepagemakeup \stoptext %% end of MWE ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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Is there a way to report the “character count including spaces” of the resulting PDF in ConTeXt? Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] font search path and subfolders
I tried to put the subfolders into a folder ~/fonts/ instead of ~/.fonts/ – same result :-( ls -la returns drwxr-xr-x for ~/.fonts/ as well as for ~/.fonts/opentype/ and ~/.fonts/truetype/ Greetings Jörg On 31.01.2015 19:26, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 01/31/2015 05:35 PM, Jörg Weger wrote: I still get (while using subfolders in ~/.fonts/opentype/) !LuaTeX error: cannot find OpenType font file for reading () ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1 after having run export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts//;$HOME/.fonts//" Hi Jörg, at least to avoid to run that again and again, I think you could add that at last line of tex/setuptex. BTW, do you have a ~/.fonts/truetype/ directory? And does ConTeXt load fonts from that directory without problems? Could it be that you have an issue with permissions in the ~/.fonts/opentype/ directory? What about creating a new directory with another name and moving your fonts there? I think it may be an issue with permissions. Just in case it helps, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] font search path and subfolders
I still get (while using subfolders in ~/.fonts/opentype/) !LuaTeX error: cannot find OpenType font file for reading () ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! mtx-context | fatal error: return code: 1 after having run export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts//;$HOME/.fonts//" and Pablo’s proposal mtxrun --script fonts --reload --force although a lot happens after latter command. Running mtxrun --script fonts --list --all lists much more fonts now than before, but the PDF rendering still fails. After I move the OTF files from the subfolders to the parentfolder ~/.fonts/ and run mtxrun --script fonts --reload --force again, the PDF just renders fine. Any ideas? Greetings Jörg On 31.01.2015 16:05, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: On 01/31/2015 01:40 PM, Jörg Weger wrote: In my Linux home folder I have the usual “~/.fonts/” folder in which I have put subfolders “~/.fonts/opentype/” and “~/.fonts/truetype/”. Inside those subfolders I would like font families to have their own subfolders. [...] What am I missing? (Typo maybe?) Hi Jörg, it seems that // makes the search recursive. And you have to force the font cache generation: mtxrun —script font —reload —force I hope ith works, Pablo ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] font search path and subfolders
Do you mean reported by mtxrun --expand-var OSFONTDIR ? Jörg On 31.01.2015 13:54, Hans Hagen wrote: On 1/31/2015 1:40 PM, Jörg Weger wrote: Being able to put opentype font families into subfolders as well would be a great help to keep a clear view of all my fonts. what OSFONTDIR paths get reported (the reported paths should show what gets scanned for what) does $HOME/.fonts// work Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] font search path and subfolders
In my Linux home folder I have the usual “~/.fonts/” folder in which I have put subfolders “~/.fonts/opentype/” and “~/.fonts/truetype/”. Inside those subfolders I would like font families to have their own subfolders. When I set the font search path by running export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts;$HOME/.fonts/opentype;$HOME/.fonts/truetype" from the command line followed by mtxrun --script fonts --reload only the fonts in the /truetype/ subfolders are recognised. This means I have to put all my opentype fonts directly into the /opentype/ folder. On Stackexchange I found a solution http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/209705/context-system-font-search-path which says that putting “//” after the folder made the search recursive, but neither export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts//;$HOME/.fonts/opentype//;$HOME/.fonts/truetype//" nor export OSFONTDIR="/usr/local/share/fonts//;$HOME/.fonts//" works for me. What am I missing? (Typo maybe?) Being able to put opentype font families into subfolders as well would be a great help to keep a clear view of all my fonts. Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] publications in footnotes (new bibliography mkiv)
That \citation[entry] method works fine so far. But now two practical problems come up: 1. If I put an article from an “incollection” BibTeX entry into the publications list the full page range of that article inside the collection should be shown, e.g. “S. 250–262” (in German) or something like that. If I quote a passage of said article in my text and reference it on the same page by a footnote I want only the page number(s) to be shown where the exact text passage can be found, let’s say e.g. “S. 253”. So the footnote cannot be exactly the same as the list try. 2. There might be other cases where the footnote reference and the list entry might have to be different: e.g. full given names in the list vs. only initials in the footnote, complete listing of all authors in the list vs. et al. in the footnote etc. etc. Is there (will there be) a way to define maybe an “entry variant” for that purpose which in above given case would e.g. exclude the page range so you could add the page in the footnote manually? Meanwhile I am fine with my workaround, but future papers I will have to write will be much more extensive, which might mean a much larger bibliography :). Greetings Jörg On 31.01.2015 12:29, Hans Hagen wrote: On 1/30/2015 10:39 AM, Jörg Weger wrote: At least I have found a workaround for that problem: I will render my complete publications list for the paper by using \placebtxrendering[method=dataset] and copy the entry from the resulting PDF into the footnote of my ConTeXt file. There I can edit (= shorten) and format it. For the future it be great to have a variant like “\cite[publfootnote][]” that would render a predefined style of the publication (optionally different from the list entry) into a footnote. An in-tex rendering can be done with \definebtxcitevariant[entry] % this definition is missing in the beta \starttext \citation[entry][something-5] \placebtxrendering \stoptext - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] publications in footnotes (new bibliography mkiv)
At least I have found a workaround for that problem: I will render my complete publications list for the paper by using \placebtxrendering[method=dataset] and copy the entry from the resulting PDF into the footnote of my ConTeXt file. There I can edit (= shorten) and format it. For the future it be great to have a variant like “\cite[publfootnote][]” that would render a predefined style of the publication (optionally different from the list entry) into a footnote. Greetings Jörg On 29.01.2015 13:41, Jörg Weger wrote: I have to prepare a paper in literary science. I need to be able to quote a reference in a footnote instead of a in-text reference. Such a footnote should look the same or similar as the entry in the publications list. I guess that I have to do \setupbtxcitevariant and \definebtxcitevariant but then I am stuck. It would be great if one could put a separate page number/range for every footnote. Is there maybe already a mechanism for that? Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] publications in footnotes (new bibliography mkiv)
I have to prepare a paper in literary science. I need to be able to quote a reference in a footnote instead of a in-text reference. Such a footnote should look the same or similar as the entry in the publications list. I guess that I have to do \setupbtxcitevariant and \definebtxcitevariant but then I am stuck. It would be great if one could put a separate page number/range for every footnote. Is there maybe already a mechanism for that? Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] bibliography: alignment of first hanging lines in publications list, hyphenation
I looked in the wiki for “descriptions” and found this:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupdescriptions
I played around a lot with the parameters from there in \setupbtxlist,
but the problem remains. The only way to get hanging indentation is
\setupbtxlist[alternative=hanging] and no matter what else I change the
respectively first lines of every publications list entry are not
aligned to the very left of the full text width :(
Maybe it has something to do with the numbering?
If I use \setupbtxrendering[numbering=yes] the numbers are aligned
properly to the very left while the following beginnings of the entries
are not. Maybe the problem is that the numbers are only “hidden”, but
not really “deleted”? (Excuse my probably incorrect use of terminology.)
For comparison I tried the old mechanism again:
\setupbibtex[database={},sort=author]
\setuppublications[alternative=apa]
\starttext
\title{Literaturverzeichnis}
\placepublications[criterium=all]
\stoptext
Here the hanging first lines of each entry align with the title at the
very left.
I can live with the actual state of the new mkiv mechanism for now as my
lecturers’ eyes will be blinded by the remaining perfect ConTeXt layout :)
But in future it would be great to have a real hanging indentation in
the publications list according to the definition that in hanging
indentation in contrary to normal indentation all but the very first
line (which starts as a normal line at the very left) are indented.
Greetings Jörg
PS: By the way, Did I thank you for making this great software freely
available and for the great quick support on the mailing list?
On 28.01.2015 14:39, Jörg Weger wrote:
But with
> \setupbtxlist[alternative=left,margin=0cm,align={hanging,hz}]
there is no hanging indentation.
Isn’t it possible for the first “hanging” line of an hanging indentation
layout to start exactly on the very left, while the next lines are
exactly indented?
> just the settings of descriptions
To be honest, i don’t know exactly what you mean by „descriptions“.
Greetings Jörg
On 28.01.2015 10:00, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/28/2015 8:42 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Attached are a MWE using plain APA and the corresponding BibTeX file.
(Don’t mind the mistakes regarding series/volumes, I got that working in
my personal setup that overrides plain APA.)
APA style defaults with hanging indents in the publications list.
The respectively hanging first lines of each entry in the publications
list are not properly aligned on the left. (The indented lines are). I
would like all of those first lines to start on the very left of the
textfield.
If I use \hyphenation to prevent e.g. names from being hyphenated those
words might be driven into the right margin.
Hanging punctuation doesn’t seem to work as well.
Is there anything that can be done about that? Or how can the
justification be switched to flush left/ragged right with hanging
indents on the left?
\setupbtxlist[alternative=left,margin=0cm,align={hanging,hz}]
just the settings of descriptions
Greetings Jörg
PS: And by the way, “\placebtxrendering[criterium=all]” is not working
anymore. I think I had it working before to place all entries from the
BibTeX file into the publications list regardless of their actual
appearance in the text as citations–which was a good way to test only
the publications list’s layout.
\placebtxrendering[method=dataset]
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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography: alignment of first hanging lines in publications list, hyphenation
But with
> \setupbtxlist[alternative=left,margin=0cm,align={hanging,hz}]
there is no hanging indentation.
Isn’t it possible for the first “hanging” line of an hanging indentation
layout to start exactly on the very left, while the next lines are
exactly indented?
> just the settings of descriptions
To be honest, i don’t know exactly what you mean by „descriptions“.
Greetings Jörg
On 28.01.2015 10:00, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/28/2015 8:42 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Attached are a MWE using plain APA and the corresponding BibTeX file.
(Don’t mind the mistakes regarding series/volumes, I got that working in
my personal setup that overrides plain APA.)
APA style defaults with hanging indents in the publications list.
The respectively hanging first lines of each entry in the publications
list are not properly aligned on the left. (The indented lines are). I
would like all of those first lines to start on the very left of the
textfield.
If I use \hyphenation to prevent e.g. names from being hyphenated those
words might be driven into the right margin.
Hanging punctuation doesn’t seem to work as well.
Is there anything that can be done about that? Or how can the
justification be switched to flush left/ragged right with hanging
indents on the left?
\setupbtxlist[alternative=left,margin=0cm,align={hanging,hz}]
just the settings of descriptions
Greetings Jörg
PS: And by the way, “\placebtxrendering[criterium=all]” is not working
anymore. I think I had it working before to place all entries from the
BibTeX file into the publications list regardless of their actual
appearance in the text as citations–which was a good way to test only
the publications list’s layout.
\placebtxrendering[method=dataset]
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[NTG-context] bibliography: alignment of first hanging lines in publications list, hyphenation
Attached are a MWE using plain APA and the corresponding BibTeX file.
(Don’t mind the mistakes regarding series/volumes, I got that working in
my personal setup that overrides plain APA.)
APA style defaults with hanging indents in the publications list.
The respectively hanging first lines of each entry in the publications
list are not properly aligned on the left. (The indented lines are). I
would like all of those first lines to start on the very left of the
textfield.
If I use \hyphenation to prevent e.g. names from being hyphenated those
words might be driven into the right margin.
Hanging punctuation doesn’t seem to work as well.
Is there anything that can be done about that? Or how can the
justification be switched to flush left/ragged right with hanging
indents on the left?
Greetings Jörg
PS: And by the way, “\placebtxrendering[criterium=all]” is not working
anymore. I think I had it working before to place all entries from the
BibTeX file into the publications list regardless of their actual
appearance in the text as citations–which was a good way to test only
the publications list’s layout.
\setuplanguage [de]
\mainlanguage [de]
\usebtxdataset[testbib_daf.bib]
\showframe
\setbreakpoints[compound]
\setupalign [hyphenated,justified,hanging,hz,]
\definefontfeature[default][default][expansion=quality,protrusion=quality,]
\hyphenation{Helbig Deutscher Heraus-geber}
\starttext
\cite[authoryears][weinrich:2006]
\cite[authoryear][goethe:2008]
\cite[authoryears][hoelscher:2006]
\cite[authoryear][martinez:1999]
\cite[authoryears][stedje:2007]
\cite[authoryear][wrobel:2007]
\cite[authoryears][baur:2001]
\cite[authoryear][hoffmann:2000]
\cite[authoryears][sereno:1994] \\
\blank
\startsection[title=Literaturverzeichnis, number=no]
\placebtxrendering[criterium=text]
\stopsection
\stoptext
@Book{ goethe:2008,
author = {{Johann Wolfgang von} Goethe},
title = {{Die Leiden des jungen Werthers}},
publisher = {Deutscher Taschenbuchverlag},
year = 2008,
address = {München},
note = {Original von 1774},
}
@Book{ hoelscher:2006,
author = {Petra Hölscher and Eberhard Piepho and Jörg Roche},
title = {{Handlungsorientierter Unterricht mit Lernszenarien â
Kernfragen zum Spracherwerb}},
publisher = {Finken},
year = 2006,
address = {Oberursel},
}
@Book{ martinez:1999,
author = {Matias Martinez and Michael Scheffel},
title = {{Einführung in die Erzähltheorie}},
publisher = {Beck},
year = 1999,
address = {München},
}
@Book{ stedje:2007,
author = {Astrid Stedje},
title = {{Deutsche Sprache gestern und heute}},
publisher = {Fink},
year = 2007,
address = {München},
edition = {6.~neubearb.},
}
@Book{ weinrich:2006,
author = {Harald Weinrich},
title = {{Sprache, das heiÃt Sprachen}},
publisher = {Narr},
year = 2006,
address = {Tübingen},
}
@Book{ wrobel:2007,
author = {Ulrike Wrobel},
title = {{Raum als kommunikative Ressource: eine
handlungstheoretische Analyse visueller Sprachen}},
publisher = {Peter Lang},
year = 2007,
volume = 47,
series = {{Arbeiten zur Sprachanalyse}},
address = {Frankfurt am Main u.|~|a.},
}
@InCollection{ sereno:1994,
author = {Joan A. Sereno},
title = {{Phonosyntactics}},
booktitle = {{Sound Symbolism}},
publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
year = 1994,
editor = {Leanne Hinton and Joanna Nichols and John Ohala},
pages = {263â275},
address = {New York},
}
@InCollection{ baur:2001,
author = {Rupprecht Baur},
title = {{Deutsch als Fremdsprache â Deutsch als Zweitsprache}},
booktitle = {{Deutsch als Fremdsprache}},
publisher = {de Gruyter},
year = 2001,
editor = {Gerhard Helbig and Lutz Götze and Gert Henrici and Hans-Jürgen Krumm},
volume = {19.1},
series = {{HSK}},
pages = {617â628},
address = {Berlin},
}
@Book{ hoffmann:2000,
title = {{Sprachwissenschaft: Ein Reader}},
publisher = {Walter de Gruyter},
year = 2000,
editor = {Ludger Hoffmann},
address = {Berlin, New York},
}
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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography again: “von” and “van”
As I have already replied to Hans’ post, I don’t mind using the “double
braces solution” as an easy workaround to distinguish German “vons” and
Dutch “vans”. But I am not sure if that solution solves the problems
with French and Spanish name attributes as well.
Greetings Jörg
On 28.01.2015 04:10, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
I have been arguing with Hans over the proper treatment of "particles",
in general. The rules vary greatly - here we are looking at a
comparison between Dutch and German practice. In French, the use often
depends on history differing before and after the revolution. In
Spanish, we have other practice.
One solution is to make the rendering depend on the "language=" bibtex
field. But this does not work universally. With Hans, we have extended
the bibtex standard so that names can be explicitly separated, as in:
author = {particle, lastname, suffix, firstname}
This allows the author to use a free form for each component without
resorting to any bibtex trickery (like capitalization or not). How
these components are handled or rendered is not entirely worked out.
Indeed, the German practice differs from others. Thus my suggestion of
the use of the language field (or setting).
Alan
On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 21:50:44 +0100
Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/27/2015 8:16 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:
Hi Jörg,
Though, generally, the von, as well as a few others, are nobility
particles in Germany, but not necessarily always noblility
particles, but at times signify the place where a persons ancestor
came from!
Now, in the case Goethe you are right that he was ennobled.
Therefore the von is not truly part of his name. He should be
listed as you rightly mentioned under Goethe and not "von Goethe“.
It is impossible for a bibliographic system to handle this, so
there is no switch for it!
you can try to wrap thing that belong together in { } ... it might
work
So, it is up to the author of a text to set up his entries
properly, by putting the von in the right part of the name field.
indeed, not all can be catched in a poorly specified format
btw, context loads the bib data in memory and fields of type author
get split into multiple authors and each is split into parts; most
magic is under our own control so we can always add variants if
needed (maybe some prefix that indicates a german name or so) but
anyway this whole von business is on our agenda
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography again: “von” and “van”
Thank you very much, Hans.
I think I had tried something with double braces before (I use them also
for German booktitles to keep upper and lowercase intact) but only now I
got it working:
Writing both
“author = {{Johann Wolfgang von} Goethe}”
and
“author = {Goethe, {Johann Wolfgang von}}”
in the BibTeX are easy workarounds for the problem I was describing. I
can happily live with that. In case a problem like that arises I will
anyway first take a look at the according BibTeX entry.
Greetings Jörg
On 27.01.2015 21:50, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/27/2015 8:16 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:
Hi Jörg,
Though, generally, the von, as well as a few others, are nobility
particles in Germany, but not necessarily always
noblility particles, but at times signify the place where a persons
ancestor came from!
Now, in the case Goethe you are right that he was ennobled. Therefore
the von is not truly part of his name.
He should be listed as you rightly mentioned under Goethe and not "von
Goethe“.
It is impossible for a bibliographic system to handle this, so there
is no switch for it!
you can try to wrap thing that belong together in { } ... it might work
So, it is up to the author of a text to set up his entries properly,
by putting the von in the right part of the name field.
indeed, not all can be catched in a poorly specified format
btw, context loads the bib data in memory and fields of type author get
split into multiple authors and each is split into parts; most magic is
under our own control so we can always add variants if needed (maybe
some prefix that indicates a german name or so) but anyway this whole
von business is on our agenda
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] bibliography again: “von” and “van”
Hi Keith, how would you “set up an entry properly” in a BibTeX file where you have only one field for author/editor (serious question!)? I normally put the names uninverted but inverting Goethe’s name in the BibTeX file didn’t change anything. As far as I understood ConTeXt can handle inverted and uninverted names in BibTeX name fields equally well. There is something in the default mechanism that interpretes the “von” as part of the surname. What I was proposing was a way to manually switch to another mode where the “von” is treated as an attribute on a by-case-base–just like you can switch between “authoryear” and “authoryears” as I learned today. Greetings Jörg On 27.01.2015 20:16, Keith Schultz wrote: Hi Jörg, Though, generally, the von, as well as a few others, are nobility particles in Germany, but not necessarily always noblility particles, but at times signify the place where a persons ancestor came from! Now, in the case Goethe you are right that he was ennobled. Therefore the von is not truly part of his name. He should be listed as you rightly mentioned under Goethe and not "von Goethe“. It is impossible for a bibliographic system to handle this, so there is no switch for it! So, it is up to the author of a text to set up his entries properly, by putting the von in the right part of the name field. regards Keith Am 27.01.2015 um 19:20 schrieb Jörg Weger : The default way to diplay (inverted) names with “von” and “van” is “von Goethe” and “van Halen” in in-text references and “von Goethe, Johann Wolfgang” and “van Halen, Edward”. The problem with this is that while AFAIK the Dutch “van Halen” means that one of his ancestors came ”from” a place/city called “Halen” in German names the “von” is always a sign of nobility. Even long before monarchy and nobility was abolished in Germany by the revolution of 1919 you would not have talked about “von Goethe” but simply “Goethe”–so in a reference it would be “(Goethe 1774)” and “Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von” in the publications list, but still “(van Halen 1984)” and “van Halen, Edward”. It would be nice if you could switch between two modes while invoking the citation. I have not yet discovered where this order is defined. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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The default way to diplay (inverted) names with “von” and “van” is “von Goethe” and “van Halen” in in-text references and “von Goethe, Johann Wolfgang” and “van Halen, Edward”. The problem with this is that while AFAIK the Dutch “van Halen” means that one of his ancestors came ”from” a place/city called “Halen” in German names the “von” is always a sign of nobility. Even long before monarchy and nobility was abolished in Germany by the revolution of 1919 you would not have talked about “von Goethe” but simply “Goethe”–so in a reference it would be “(Goethe 1774)” and “Goethe, Johann Wolfgang von” in the publications list, but still “(van Halen 1984)” and “van Halen, Edward”. It would be nice if you could switch between two modes while invoking the citation. I have not yet discovered where this order is defined. Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Now I got it and I got it working :) Thanks a lot! By the way, is there a difference between \cite and \citation? On 27.01.2015 04:59, Alan BRASLAU wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:13:09 +0100 Jörg Weger wrote: * normal reference in brackets: author year, no comma: e.g. “(Einstein 1904)” \cite[authoryears][Einstein1904] * author is named in the text, only year in brackets: e.g. “As it has been proven by Einstein (1904) …” \cite[authoryear][Einstein1904] * if page numbers are to be given in the citation: colon after year, followed directly (without space) by page number(s)/range: e.g. “(Einstein 1904:351)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 f.)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 ff.)” or “(Einstein 1904:226–231)”. This feature is currently *broken* (and we need to fix it). Alan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] New mkiv bibliographic engine: bug with “Editor”/“Editors” differentiation (?)
Thanks for the quick reply, so I will update. Greetings Jörg On 26.01.2015 11:52, Hans Hagen wrote: On 1/26/2015 11:07 AM, Jörg Weger wrote: new bibliographic engine: bug with “Editor”/“Editors” differentiation (?) There seems to be a bug in the new MkIV bibliographic engine regarding the differentiation of the “editor” variable into “Editor” (singular) and “Editors” (plural) from BibTeX. I have attached a BibTeX file with only two books, one is a “book” naming one “editor” instead of an “author”, the other is of the “incollection” type and issued by several editors. In the BibTeX file I have used the uninverted names combined with “and”. The same bug applies if you delete all but one editors from the “incollection” example. In the following MWE I have changed the language to English and the style to the pure default APA. In English there should be the differentiation between “(Ed.)” and “(Eds.)” after the name(s) but only the latter applies. % === start of MWE = \setuplanguage [en] \mainlanguage [en] \setupbtx[specification=apa] \definebtxdataset[apa] \usebtxdataset[apa][150126_testbib_short.bib] \setbtxdataset[apa] \definebtxrendering[apa][dataset=apa] \setupbtxrendering[sorttype=authoryear,numbering=no] \starttext \cite[hoffmann:2000] \cite[sereno:1994] \\ \blank \placebtxrendering[criterium=text] \stoptext % === end of MWE === (My ConTeXt version is “2015.01.13 15:54”.) there has been a singular/plural fix last week Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] New mkiv bibliographic engine: bug with “Editor”/“Editors” differentiation (?)
new bibliographic engine: bug with “Editor”/“Editors” differentiation (?)
There seems to be a bug in the new MkIV bibliographic engine regarding
the differentiation of the “editor” variable into “Editor” (singular)
and “Editors” (plural) from BibTeX.
I have attached a BibTeX file with only two books, one is a “book”
naming one “editor” instead of an “author”, the other is of the
“incollection” type and issued by several editors. In the BibTeX file I
have used the uninverted names combined with “and”. The same bug applies
if you delete all but one editors from the “incollection” example.
In the following MWE I have changed the language to English and the
style to the pure default APA. In English there should be the
differentiation between “(Ed.)” and “(Eds.)” after the name(s) but only
the latter applies.
% === start of MWE =
\setuplanguage [en]
\mainlanguage [en]
\setupbtx[specification=apa]
\definebtxdataset[apa]
\usebtxdataset[apa][150126_testbib_short.bib]
\setbtxdataset[apa]
\definebtxrendering[apa][dataset=apa]
\setupbtxrendering[sorttype=authoryear,numbering=no]
\starttext
\cite[hoffmann:2000]
\cite[sereno:1994] \\
\blank
\placebtxrendering[criterium=text]
\stoptext
% === end of MWE ===
(My ConTeXt version is “2015.01.13 15:54”.)
Greetings Jörg
@InCollection{ sereno:1994,
author = {Joan A. Sereno},
title = {{Phonosyntactics}},
booktitle = {{Sound Symbolism}},
publisher = {Cambridge University Press},
year = 1994,
editor = {Leanne Hinton and Joanna Nichols and John Ohala},
pages = {263â275},
address = {New York},
}
@Book{ hoffmann:2000,
title = {{Sprachwissenschaft: Ein Reader}},
publisher = {Walter de Gruyter},
year = 2000,
editor = {Ludger Hoffmann},
address = {Berlin, New York},
}
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Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Thank You Alan and Hans for your efforts regarding my questions so far.
After I had played a while with the examples Hans had attached, I have
had a little success bei renaming copies of
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.lua and
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.mkiv to
publ-imp-daf.lua and publ-imp-daf.mkiv (DaF stands for “Deutsch als
Fremdsprache” = “German as a foreign language”, my subject of study) and
putting those renamed copies into the same folder as a test file that
should contain only in-text references and a publications list.
I have started to set up a “real world” BibTeXt example from the
examples in the style sheet we were given by the university. So far I
have different examples for “book” and “incollection”.
Inside the two new configuration files I replaced every occurrence of
“apa” by “daf”. Then I edited publ-imp-daf.mkiv by trial and error. I
managed to change punctuation/delimiters in the publications list, but
did not fully succeed with the in-text reference. I understand now that
it is not trivial to set up a style as there are many decisions to be
taken. The problem I have regarding the publications list is that the
order I need differs in some ways from apa which means I have to split
some of the macros defined for apa. E.g. for “book” my order is
author(s), year, title, (optional: edition), adress, publisher,
(optional: series, volume)
and for incollection
author(s), year, title, editor(s), booktitle, publisher’s city adress,
publisher, (optional: series, volume), page(s)
I think I have yet to translate the other real world examples (mainly
electronic media) into BibTeX before I start to ask further questions
regarding the order in the publications list.
For now I have an important question regarding in-text references:
Is there a way to switch between the following citation modes?
I have to manage:
* normal reference in brackets: author year, no comma: e.g.
“(Einstein 1904)”
* author is named in the text, only year in brackets: e.g. “As it has
been proven by Einstein (1904) …”
* if page numbers are to be given in the citation: colon after year,
followed directly (without space) by page number(s)/range: e.g.
“(Einstein 1904:351)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 f.)” or “(Einstein 1904:251
ff.)” or “(Einstein 1904:226–231)”.
(“f.” and “ff.” are the German abreviations for “et seq.” respectively
“et seqq.”)
Is it possible to switch between those three modes? If not it would be
great to implement that.
“\cite[extras={}][]” doesn’t seem to work anymore, so
I cannot put page numbers manually.
Greetings from Munich
Jörg
PS: Regarding the small caps from my original question: Those would be
nice, but they are not obligatory—it is just my idea to let the
references stick out more from the surrounding text and giving the whole
thing more the impression of sophisticated typesetting :)
For me it is much more important to get the information in the
publications list into the right order first.
On 23.01.2015 07:26, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
From what I can see, the only *significant* style difference that you
seek is the use of \letterspace and \sc for names (authors or editors).
The use of old numbers is trivial as they will be used if specified for
the rest of the document.
How else does your university's standard differ from the APA?
All of the details of the layout are programmable using setups.
By the way, the APA sort order is: authors(or editors), year,
title (and possibly journal, volume, number, page).
Alan
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:44:56 +0100
Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/17/2015 7:23 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Hi Alan
What I am trying to achieve is the following (of which typesetting
the author’s name is only a detail): setting up an environment that
I can use for all papers and works that I have to write during my
academic studies. With the basic layout I am almost done. The main
remaining problem is to get the bibliographic information details
in the publications list into the right order for every possible
type of publication according to the standards demanded by my
university department which differ from APA style.
You ask what I am looking for:
It would be great to be able at the same time to format every
detail of information while defining said order.
Defining that order could be done by giving a kind of “maximum case”
with the exact order of the desired variables and the punctuation
and blanks between them for every particular type of publication
cited. Out of that “maximum case” the underlying mechanism would
ignore everything not needed in the particular case of a certain
publication.
In the case of publication type “book” it could be something like:
\setpublicationstyleforlist [type:book]
[{invertedauthor1}{/}{invertedauthor2}{/}{invertedauthor3}{et al.}{
(}{year}{): }{title}{. }{address}{: }{publisher}{.}]
... that not good enough: fields c
Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Thank You Alan and Hans for your efforts regarding my questions so far.
After I had played a while with the examples Hans had attached, I have
had a little success bei renaming copies of
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.lua and
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.mkiv to
publ-imp-daf.lua and publ-imp-daf.mkiv (DaF stands for “Deutsch als
Fremdsprache” = “German as a foreign language”, my subject of study) and
putting those renamed copies into the same folder as a test file that
should contain only in-text references and a publications list.
I have started to set up a “real world” BibTeXt example from the
examples in the style sheet we were given by the university. So far I
have different examples for “book” and “incollection”.
Inside the two new configuration files I replaced every occurrence of
“apa” by “daf”. Then I edited publ-imp-daf.mkiv by trial and error. I
managed to change punctuation/delimiters in the publications list, but
did not fully succeed with the in-text reference. I understand now that
it is not trivial to set up a style as there are many decisions to be
taken. The problem I have regarding the publications list is that the
order I need differs in some ways from apa which means I have to split
some of the macros defined for apa. E.g. for “book” my order is
author(s), year, title, (optional: edition), adress, publisher,
(optional: series, volume)
and for incollection
author(s), year, title, editor(s), booktitle, publisher’s city adress,
publisher, (optional: series, volume), page(s)
I think I have yet to translate the other real world examples (mainly
electronic media) into BibTeX before I start to ask further questions
regarding the order in the publications list.
For now I have an important question regarding in-text references:
Is there a way to switch between the following citation modes?
I have to manage:
* normal reference in brackets: author year, no comma: e.g.
“(Einstein 1904)”
* author is named in the text, only year in brackets: e.g. “As it has
been proven by Einstein (1904) …”
* if page numbers are to be given in the citation: colon after year,
followed directly (without space) by page number(s)/range: e.g.
“(Einstein 1904:351)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 f.)” or “(Einstein 1904:251
ff.)” or “(Einstein 1904:226–231)”.
(“f.” and “ff.” are the German abreviations for “et seq.” respectively
“et seqq.”)
Is it possible to switch between those three modes? If not it would be
great to implement that.
“\cite[extras={}][]” doesn’t seem to work anymore, so
I cannot put page numbers manually.
Greetings from Munich
Jörg
PS: Regarding the small caps from my original question: Those would be
nice, but they are not obligatory—it is just my idea to let the
references stick out more from the surrounding text and giving the whole
thing more the impression of sophisticated typesetting :)
For me it is much more important to get the information in the
publications list into the right order first.
On 23.01.2015 07:26, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
From what I can see, the only *significant* style difference that you
seek is the use of \letterspace and \sc for names (authors or editors).
The use of old numbers is trivial as they will be used if specified for
the rest of the document.
How else does your university's standard differ from the APA?
All of the details of the layout are programmable using setups.
By the way, the APA sort order is: authors(or editors), year,
title (and possibly journal, volume, number, page).
Alan
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:44:56 +0100
Hans Hagen wrote:
On 1/17/2015 7:23 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
Hi Alan
What I am trying to achieve is the following (of which typesetting
the author’s name is only a detail): setting up an environment that
I can use for all papers and works that I have to write during my
academic studies. With the basic layout I am almost done. The main
remaining problem is to get the bibliographic information details
in the publications list into the right order for every possible
type of publication according to the standards demanded by my
university department which differ from APA style.
You ask what I am looking for:
It would be great to be able at the same time to format every
detail of information while defining said order.
Defining that order could be done by giving a kind of “maximum case”
with the exact order of the desired variables and the punctuation
and blanks between them for every particular type of publication
cited. Out of that “maximum case” the underlying mechanism would
ignore everything not needed in the particular case of a certain
publication.
In the case of publication type “book” it could be something like:
\setpublicationstyleforlist [type:book]
[{invertedauthor1}{/}{invertedauthor2}{/}{invertedauthor3}{et al.}{
(}{year}{): }{title}{. }{address}{: }{publisher}{.}]
... that not good enough: fields can be absent, there is no way to
distinguish au
Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Hello again, After looking once more for all files within ConTeXt with “apa” in their name, I found out that I can start to write my own citation style by changing things in the file “~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/bib/bibl-apa.tex”. It’s not as convenient as I had described in my previous post, but not to far from that and I think I will manage to get everything working. Anyway it is much easier for me than learning to edit XML in CSL files which I looked at today. What I still do not understand: How can I make the edited file work as an alternative style to APA in \setuppublications in my environment? I tried to rename the file to “bibl-abc.tex“ and change \setuppublications in my ConTeXt environment to \setuppublications[alternative=abc] but that did not work. Do I have to rename something else? And supposed I have succeeded to create my own style, will those selfmade style files survive an update? And what are that localized files for like “bibl-apa-de.tex”, “bibl-apa-fr.tex” etc.? They seem to be older than “bibl-apa.tex”. \Greetings Jörg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Hi Alan
What I am trying to achieve is the following (of which typesetting the
author’s name is only a detail): setting up an environment that I can
use for all papers and works that I have to write during my academic
studies. With the basic layout I am almost done. The main remaining
problem is to get the bibliographic information details in the
publications list into the right order for every possible type of
publication according to the standards demanded by my university
department which differ from APA style.
You ask what I am looking for:
It would be great to be able at the same time to format every detail of
information while defining said order.
Defining that order could be done by giving a kind of “maximum case”
with the exact order of the desired variables and the punctuation and
blanks between them for every particular type of publication cited. Out
of that “maximum case” the underlying mechanism would ignore everything
not needed in the particular case of a certain publication.
In the case of publication type “book” it could be something like:
\setpublicationstyleforlist [type:book]
[{invertedauthor1}{/}{invertedauthor2}{/}{invertedauthor3}{et al.}{
(}{year}{): }{title}{. }{address}{: }{publisher}{.}]
The underlying mechanism would ignore author 2 and 3 if there was only
one single author. In case of more than 3 authors given the “et al.”
would be used after naming the first 3 authors.
That system would be perfect, if you could do do the desired typographic
formatting directly inside that definition:
\setpublicationstyleforlist [type:book] [{\letterspace{\sc
{invertedauthor}{/}{invertedauthor}{/}{invertedauthor}}{et al.}}{
(}{\oldstyle{year}}{): }{\it{title}}{. }{adress}{: }{publisher}{.}]
Accordingly for the inline references:
\setupcitestyle[{\letterspace{\sc{authorlastname}{ et al.}}}{
}{\oldstyle{year}}]
There should be a possibility to invoke a certain citation style you
have defined from a text file so you would not have to type
(respectively copy/paste) everything again every time.
The advantage of such a system would be that everybody could define
exactly what he/she needs.
Would that be very difficult to implement?
Then there are the cases where the definition work has already be done
in the form of special XML files: Over 7,000 CSL (= citation style
language) files are listed for download at the citationstyles.org
website. Pandoc seems to have a way to use CSL files to filter, order
and format the information from BibTeX files. It would be great if you
could do that directly inside ConTeXt as well.
\ConTeXtualGreetings :)
Jörg
PS: I have (as I wrote) defaulted oldstyle numbers for my whole
environment, so I am not mixing old and normal style.
On 16.01.2015 14:18, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
We have completely rewritten the bibliography subsystem of ConTeXt
which is not quite production-ready. It should become easier to create
custom renderings of bibliography references and publication lists.
Do you wish to mix old style numbers for the years with normal style
numbers for volume, number, chapter, page, etc.? If so, would such a mix
look strange?
Do you want only the author names in small capitals, or also the
editor? What about the title, journal, publisher, ... ?
I suppose all names, but not other text.
I do not have any suggestion with the use of the "old" bibliography
module, and the new system is, as I said, not quite ready. But please
clarify what you are looking for so that we can make this somehow
possible.
Alan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 06:08:36 +0100
Jörg Weger wrote:
Hello everybody,
I am rather new to ConTeXt and I am momentarily stuck with the
following:
How can I further format the way an inline reference and a
bibliographic reference in the publications list are displayed? For
example I would like to display the author(s) in spaced-out small
caps (I am using the “letterspace” module). The year should be in
oldstyle numbers both in the inline reference and in the publications
list. An inline-reference should like this (simulated without BibTeX,
letterspacing slightly exaggerated):
% == MWE ===
\usemodule[t][letterspace]
\defineletterspace [LSsmcp]
\setupletterspace [LSsmcp][factor=.08, spaceskip=.4em,
suppresskern=no,]
\starttext
\input knuth ({\LSsmcp {\sc Knuth}} {\os 1991})
\input zapf
\stoptext
% ==
I have defaulted oldstyle numbers my environment but I would like to
get the the small caps working for the author(s) name(s).
I messed around with \setuppublications and \setupcite without
success. Is there a way to invoke such formatting in those setups?
Greetings
Joerg
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[NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list
Hello everybody,
I am rather new to ConTeXt and I am momentarily stuck with the following:
How can I further format the way an inline reference and a bibliographic
reference in the publications list are displayed? For example I would
like to display the author(s) in spaced-out small caps (I am using the
“letterspace” module). The year should be in oldstyle numbers both in
the inline reference and in the publications list. An inline-reference
should like this (simulated without BibTeX, letterspacing slightly
exaggerated):
% == MWE ===
\usemodule[t][letterspace]
\defineletterspace [LSsmcp]
\setupletterspace [LSsmcp][factor=.08, spaceskip=.4em, suppresskern=no,]
\starttext
\input knuth ({\LSsmcp {\sc Knuth}} {\os 1991})
\input zapf
\stoptext
% ==
I have defaulted oldstyle numbers my environment but I would like to get
the the small caps working for the author(s) name(s).
I messed around with \setuppublications and \setupcite without success.
Is there a way to invoke such formatting in those setups?
Greetings
Joerg
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