Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Mojca == Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm, Mojca Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future Mojca LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web Mojca server is already there, print server and post script interpreter Mojca not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may Mojca come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login Mojca mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from Mojca zip files and from web etc.] ...) Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in some big box deep under the earth's surface? Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgpJh1JHwQdiL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Gour wrote: Mojca == Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm, Mojca Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future Mojca LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web Mojca server is already there, print server and post script interpreter mtxrun --script server ... in order to know this, read between the lines on this list and see what gets added to the main context zip Mojca not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may Mojca come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login one of the projects funded by TUG is a cross platform environment derived from texshop (on osx) .. in order to know about this ... attend user groups Mojca mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from Mojca zip files and from web etc.] ...) reading from web and zip is mentioned in the mk document and articles Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in some big box deep under the earth's surface? you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote: Mojca == Mojca Miklavec writes: Hmm, Mojca Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future Mojca LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web Mojca server is already there, print server and post script interpreter Mojca not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may Mojca come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login Mojca mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from Mojca zip files and from web etc.] ...) Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in some big box deep under the earth's surface? It was a joke ... I hope. But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :) Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote: Mojca == Mojca Miklavec writes: Hmm, Mojca Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future Mojca LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web Mojca server is already there, print server and post script interpreter Mojca not far away from being done, OPERATING SYSTEM Linux WEB SERVER http://www.keplerproject.org/ PRINT SERVER http://www.cups.org/ POSTSCRIPT INTERPRETER http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ FONTS http://fontforge.sourceforge.net EDITOR emacs, scite, notepad++, vim,. LANGUAGE ruby, python, perl, lua, cweb, pascal-web,.. The problem in maintenance. -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Hans == Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hans you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -) Heh, this feature God marked as 'female-only' ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgpwAB324I1AI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
luigi scarso wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote: Mojca == Mojca Miklavec writes: Hmm, Mojca Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future Mojca LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web Mojca server is already there, print server and post script interpreter Mojca not far away from being done, OPERATING SYSTEM Linux WEB SERVER http://www.keplerproject.org/ PRINT SERVER http://www.cups.org/ POSTSCRIPT INTERPRETER http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ FONTS http://fontforge.sourceforge.net EDITOR emacs, scite, notepad++, vim,. LANGUAGE ruby, python, perl, lua, cweb, pascal-web,.. The problem in maintenance. indeed, which is why we want to keep luatex as minimal a possible; there is now support for sockets so one can do fancy things but the main reason for sockets being there is not that one can then build webservers (side effect) but because sockets are nowadays as fundamental as files Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Mojca == Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mojca But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :) Well, I'm considering to visit for a few days...let's see. Last week-end we were in Logarska Dolina (na Rinki). Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgpKPDngVtPmU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Mojca == Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mojca But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :) Hey, what is this: Sunday (24.08.) Hard work all day ( night) long Not even a free Sunday? That's heretic ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Zagreb, Croatia | GPG key: C6E7162D pgplt1zlz9yFz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:56:22PM -0400, John Culleton wrote: On Sunday 25 May 2008 05:04:22 pm Hans Hagen wrote: Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hello Hans, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. so much? With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the smallest part. The Ubuntu alternate cd lets you do a text-only install. Afterwords, you can add whatever you want. aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ? Hans Slackware allows you to pick and choose which software you install. And a CDR variant, Slax, will run from a mini-cdr. There are other diminutive Linuxes. Debian is another distro which lets you pick and choose during installation. -- Siep Kroonenberg ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web server is already there, print server and post script interpreter not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from zip files and from web etc.] ...) The only serious concern being security, but for those who do not care too much ... Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
On Sunday 25 May 2008 05:04:22 pm Hans Hagen wrote: Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hello Hans, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. so much? With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the smallest part. aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ? Hans Slackware allows you to pick and choose which software you install. And a CDR variant, Slax, will run from a mini-cdr. There are other diminutive Linuxes. -- John Culleton Resources for every author and publisher: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf http://wexfordpress.com/tex/packagers.pdf http://www.creativemindspress.com/newbiefaq.htm http://www.gropenassoc.com/TopLevelPages/reference%20desk.htm ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
How about Morphix? http://www.morphix.org I made a disk for another purpose about a year ago, it is based on debian, and I don't think the system itself was more than some 100 Mb Johan 2008/5/25 Martin Schröder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/5/25 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ? Yes, but we want a standard debian-like system for making system updates easier. There have been efforts to create TeX-Linuxes; I remember a talk at a recent BachoTeX... Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- Johan Sandblom, MD PhD m +46735521477 Sweden What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite - Bertrand Russell ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Hi, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. What about this http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder Not sure what rpath really is, but I can't see where it could help. I thought about creating a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop vm with TeX installed. Installation is not the hard part, maintainig it is. But this might get off-topic!?!? Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
But this might get off-topic!?!? yes, better stop here -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hi, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. so much? What about this http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder Not sure what rpath really is, but I can't see where it could help. I thought about creating a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop vm with TeX installed. Installation is not the hard part, maintainig it is. indeed it involves some long term maintainance, esp once users start depending on it, but the idea of being able to run from say a memory stick has some appeal Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Hello Hans, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. so much? With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the smallest part. Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Patrick Gundlach wrote: Hello Hans, But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. so much? With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the smallest part. aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
2008/5/25 Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ? Yes, but we want a standard debian-like system for making system updates easier. There have been efforts to create TeX-Linuxes; I remember a talk at a recent BachoTeX... Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Patrick Gundlach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Much better. But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. What about this http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder -- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals
Hi, What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Much better. But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though. Patrick -- ConTeXt wiki and more: http://contextgarden.net ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Hans Hagen wrote: Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? quite probably not You can read that as: It depends on whether the released version of the Stix fonts will be packaged in a predictable manner. It should either follow the cambria math example (otf, for mkiv) or the cm/ams example (pfb, for mkii) to make it work in context. From the beta program so far, neither seems to be likely to happen, but we will have to wait and see (some more). Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX? quite probably not - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but someoneelse may see it as a challenge) H - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from the cont-* zips) one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from the cont-* zips) one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case (maybe windows still needs some libraries). So there is still some space that could be saved. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need Any clues for how to go about this? i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/c. messes. LM+Gyre is fine. What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE the ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs have that will set the appropriate environment variables. Include SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files, perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case (maybe windows still needs some libraries). So there is still some space that could be saved. See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. -- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Joel C. Salomon wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need Any clues for how to go about this? There are two options: 1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call mtx-update with --engine=luatex and then you won't get almost any tfm/enc/map files; you still get pfb files as they are needed for math; and you get quite some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since px tx math fonts need them (needed for gyre) - this will go away once gyre math is ready; it could be optimized, but I consider trying to fix virtual fonts to use gyre instead of urw fonts a loss of time since it's soon going to be obsolete rather soon anyway 2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like: rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/fonts/new/ minimals/current/fonts/common/' texmf-fonts rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/bin/context/linux minimals/current/bin/luatex/linux/' texmf-linux i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of lm is tex gyre open type I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/c. messes. LM+Gyre is fine. What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE the ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs have that will set the appropriate environment variables. Include SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files, perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I can put different stuff on the garden). See also: http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/ you can then start from there. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote: See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference. However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then put its cache into temp. What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Mojca PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it probably gets old before you even manage to burn it Are you sure ? pdftex is frozen (almost), . I have a production with a context 4 years old. Context (in some...contexts) stay pretty young. -- luigi it's new . it's powerful . it's luatex . http://www.luatex.org ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote: See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm trying to minimize. A bit off-topic: mayb we can also think a context-live iso img. I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference. However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then put its cache into temp. Mojca PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it probably gets old before you even manage to burn it ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
2008/4/11, luigi scarso [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What about an image to run with a virtual machine ? Much better. Best Martin ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mojca Miklavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any clues for how to go about this? There are two options: 1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call mtx-update with --engine=luatex As opposed to --engine=all? Sounds good so far. But... you still get pfb files as they are needed for math; and you get quite some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since px tx math fonts need them (needed for gyre) - this will go away once gyre math is ready; I suppose that a legacy-free TeX will have to wait a bit... Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on tug.org) in mkiv? 2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like: snip See also: http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/ you can then start from there. Looking into it. What I have in mind is a small package with … a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting environment on a USB stick. If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I can put different stuff on the garden). Can't promise a lot of time, but it's something I need so I'll work on it. --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby] - index sorting takes place in mkiv - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, c.). So how to best go about this? I'm downloading the current minimals (or should I use the .zips at http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm?); what can I cut out? --Joel ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
