Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Wolfgang, I do apologize. ConTeXt, does have the functionality that I was suggesting. I must say though that it seems just 2-3 weeks young and searching for the command defineparagraph brings up Nil on ConTeXt Garden. Thank, you for the example. Yet, is not quite what I had in mind. But, that does not matter for right now. Hans already said it is non trivial to get the functionality of what I has suggest. Which was to introduce the concept of a "paragraph" into ConTeXt that TeX does not have and not have to use startparagraph and stopparagraph all the time for a "standard" paragraph. Yes, Yes, I know how to use setupbodyfont, setupdenting, and the likes for that! I was aware that I could develop my own environments for paragraphs The paragraph environment does pretty much close the gap and it will be very beneficial to the beginners and converts. Thanx to whoever did the work and to you, too. regards Keith. Am 01.02.2013 um 04:58 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster : > > Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" : > >> Hi Wolfgang, >> >> You do seem to understand what I am getting at! >> >> I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have >> suggest was >> one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just >> like the headers >> have control over them. [deleted example for brevities sake] >> Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: >> >>> ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when >>> you export the document >>> as XML or create a tagged PDF. >>> >>> The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned >>> nothing to do with paragraphs, >>> it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple >>> paragraphs. The name >>> for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. >> >> Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already >> have an idea. >> Just need to figure out the implementation. > > You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own > environments. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi again, OK I just updated context, asking for all modules, and now I don't have any more error. Thanks, Alain Le 1/02/2013 04:58, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" mailto:keithjschu...@web.de>>: Hi Wolfgang, You do seem to understand what I am getting at! I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have suggest was one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like the headers have control over them. \startsetups[paragraph:german] \language[german] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:double] \setupinterlinespace[big] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:indenting] \setupindenting[yes,medium] \stopsetups \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] \defineparagraph[indent][setups=paragraph:indenting] \defineparagraph[red] [color=red] \defineparagraph[italic][style=italic] \setupwhitespace[line] \starttext \startparagraph \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[german] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[big] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[indent] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[red] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[italic] \input reich \stopparagraph \stoptext Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you export the document as XML or create a tagged PDF. The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned nothing to do with paragraphs, it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple paragraphs. The name for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already have an idea. Just need to figure out the implementation. You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own environments. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
On 02/01/2013 01:16 PM, Alain Delmotte wrote: Hi Wolfgang, Using MkIV, version 2013.01.24 i get an error about \defineparagraph: ! Undefined control sequence. system > tex > error on line 25 in file first.tex: Undefined control sequence ... [...] 24 25 >> \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] 26 \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] [...] l.25 \defineparagraph [german][setups=paragraph:german] ? ! Emergency stop. Thanks for all the answers you, patiently, give to newbies. Regards, Alain Alain, Update MKIV. I had the same problem earlier. It works. Devendra Le 1/02/2013 04:58, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" mailto:keithjschu...@web.de>>: Hi Wolfgang, You do seem to understand what I am getting at! I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have suggest was one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like the headers have control over them. \startsetups[paragraph:german] \language[german] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:double] \setupinterlinespace[big] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:indenting] \setupindenting[yes,medium] \stopsetups \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] \defineparagraph[indent][setups=paragraph:indenting] \defineparagraph[red] [color=red] \defineparagraph[italic][style=italic] \setupwhitespace[line] \starttext \startparagraph \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[german] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[big] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[indent] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[red] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[italic] \input reich \stopparagraph \stoptext Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you export the document as XML or create a tagged PDF. The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned nothing to do with paragraphs, it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple paragraphs. The name for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already have an idea. Just need to figure out the implementation. You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own environments. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Wolfgang, Using MkIV, version 2013.01.24 i get an error about \defineparagraph: ! Undefined control sequence. system > tex > error on line 25 in file first.tex: Undefined control sequence ... [...] 24 25 >> \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] 26 \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] [...] l.25 \defineparagraph [german][setups=paragraph:german] ? ! Emergency stop. Thanks for all the answers you, patiently, give to newbies. Regards, Alain Le 1/02/2013 04:58, Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" mailto:keithjschu...@web.de>>: Hi Wolfgang, You do seem to understand what I am getting at! I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have suggest was one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like the headers have control over them. \startsetups[paragraph:german] \language[german] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:double] \setupinterlinespace[big] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:indenting] \setupindenting[yes,medium] \stopsetups \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] \defineparagraph[indent][setups=paragraph:indenting] \defineparagraph[red] [color=red] \defineparagraph[italic][style=italic] \setupwhitespace[line] \starttext \startparagraph \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[german] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[big] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[indent] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[red] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[italic] \input reich \stopparagraph \stoptext Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you export the document as XML or create a tagged PDF. The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned nothing to do with paragraphs, it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple paragraphs. The name for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already have an idea. Just need to figure out the implementation. You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own environments. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Am 31.01.2013 um 23:02 schrieb "Keith J. Schultz" : > Hi Wolfgang, > > You do seem to understand what I am getting at! > > I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have > suggest was > one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like > the headers > have control over them. \startsetups[paragraph:german] \language[german] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:double] \setupinterlinespace[big] \stopsetups \startsetups[paragraph:indenting] \setupindenting[yes,medium] \stopsetups \defineparagraph[german][setups=paragraph:german] \defineparagraph[big] [setups=paragraph:double] \defineparagraph[indent][setups=paragraph:indenting] \defineparagraph[red] [color=red] \defineparagraph[italic][style=italic] \setupwhitespace[line] \starttext \startparagraph \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[german] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[big] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[indent] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[red] \input reich \stopparagraph \startparagraph[italic] \input reich \stopparagraph \stoptext > Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: > >> ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when >> you export the document >> as XML or create a tagged PDF. >> >> The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned >> nothing to do with paragraphs, >> it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple >> paragraphs. The name >> for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. > > Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already > have an idea. > Just need to figure out the implementation. You can use \definestartsetup or \definebuffer to create your own environments. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Wolfgang, You do seem to understand what I am getting at! I purposely put "paragraph" in quotes. because the environment that I have suggest was one that had setups for bodyfont, color, indenting etc. and one can just like the headers have control over them. Furthermore, you have stated on the on the 30th: > ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you > export the document > as XML or create a tagged PDF. > > The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned > nothing to do with paragraphs, > it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple > paragraphs. The name > for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. Thank you anyway. I will look into creating what I need on my own. I already have an idea. Just need to figure out the implementation. regards Keith Am 31.01.2013 um 17:24 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster : > > Am 31.01.2013 um 09:40 schrieb Keith J. Schultz : > >> It would have been nice, if ConTeXt had such an environment. I do not >> know how ConTeXt processes >> things internally, but since it is a front end, ConTeXt could have the >> syntactic sugar of a "paragraph"-environment. >> That is that, while parsing the source it injects groups into the code >> it outputs for the paragraphs. >> This would give us then "paragraph"-layout. Naturally, this is not a >> TeX way, but could be a ConTeXt way. > > ConTeXt *has* a paragraph environment! > > \starttext > > \startparagraph > This is the first paragraph. > \stopparagraph > > \startparagraph > This is another paragraph. > \stopparagraph > > \stoptext > > Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Am 31.01.2013 um 09:40 schrieb Keith J. Schultz : > It would have been nice, if ConTeXt had such an environment. I do not > know how ConTeXt processes > things internally, but since it is a front end, ConTeXt could have the > syntactic sugar of a "paragraph"-environment. > That is that, while parsing the source it injects groups into the code > it outputs for the paragraphs. > This would give us then "paragraph"-layout. Naturally, this is not a > TeX way, but could be a ConTeXt way. ConTeXt *has* a paragraph environment! \starttext \startparagraph This is the first paragraph. \stopparagraph \startparagraph This is another paragraph. \stopparagraph \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Wolfgang, Am 30.01.2013 um 21:56 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster : > > Am 30.01.2013 um 10:00 schrieb Keith J. Schultz : > >> Hi Everybody, >> [snip, snip] >> Also, it took me awhile to find the setupwhitespace command, because for me >> whitespace can be >> either horizontal or vertical. I think it would be better to rename it to >> setupparagraphspacing or something >> like that. Or at least define a synonym for it. This would make things >> easier for the casual or beginning user. > > Which space do you mean in horizontal direction? O.K. Traditionally in typesetting and typography whitespace is just that white space. White space can also be inter-word spacing (horizontal). Since ConTeXt's setupwhitespace just maps to the parskip-demension I personally find the name confusing. Possible for a synonym one maybe should use then setparagraphskip. This is just a suggestion. > >> Maybe I am missing something. Ideas welcome. > > The problem with the formatting of paragraphs is that TeX (the engine) has no > big concept about paragraphs. > > When you want to change the font or color for a paragraph you have to change > the values of the document > with \setupbodyfont[…] or \setupcolors[textcolor=…]. For local changes for a > certain paragraph you can > apply these values in a group (to change the color you can just use > \startcolor[…] … \stopcolor). I am aware of this. Since, I noticed the the paragraph(s) environment, I only assume that the functioned similar to the header environments. My mistake! It would have been nice, if ConTeXt had such an environment. I do not know how ConTeXt processes things internally, but since it is a front end, ConTeXt could have the syntactic sugar of a "paragraph"-environment. That is that, while parsing the source it injects groups into the code it outputs for the paragraphs. This would give us then "paragraph"-layout. Naturally, this is not a TeX way, but could be a ConTeXt way. > > ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you > export the document > as XML or create a tagged PDF. > > The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned > nothing to do with paragraphs, > it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple > paragraphs. The name > for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name. regards Keith ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Alain, If I bring it to fruition, I will offer it to the community. regards Keith Am 30.01.2013 um 19:42 schrieb Alain Delmotte : > [snip, snip] > Regards to both, > and, Keith, I'd like to see your programming manual when you have it ready. > ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Am 30.01.2013 um 10:00 schrieb Keith J. Schultz :
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Thank you for your help with the documentation.
>
> Inorder to teach myself ConTeXt I have to decided to write a
> learning by doing manual for ConTeXt.
>
> First off, I know I can get the formatting needed,
> by using defineparagraph and setupparagraphs, but then
> have I have to use start/stop-myparagraph, etc. .
>
> Well, I wanted "format" my normal paragraphs.
> Following, the standard way of doing things in ConTeX, as
> with headers and wanted to use setupparagraphs.
>
> The problem want is the name of the standard(default) paragraph.
> I have not found any. Is there a name for it.
>
> As example lets take I want to have a little space between my paragraph.
>
> MWE
>
> \setupwhitespace{medium]
>
> \startext
>
>
>
>
>
> \stoptext
>
> What I would like is to do:
>
> MNWE:
>
> \setuparagraphs[][][before={\setupwhitespace{medium]]
> %% or
> %% \setuparagraphs[][][before=\bigskip]
> \startext
>
>
>
>
>
> \stoptext
>
> In other words there is no way, that I can find to globally set "standard"
> paragraphs!!
>
> The same goes for indenting of paragraphs. Yes, Yes there are the standard
> indenting commands.
>
> I feel though one should be able to use setupparagraphs for this.
>
> Also, it took me awhile to find the setupwhitespace command, because for me
> whitespace can be
> either horizontal or vertical. I think it would be better to rename it to
> setupparagraphspacing or something
> like that. Or at least define a synonym for it. This would make things easier
> for the casual or beginning user.
Which space do you mean in horizontal direction?
> Maybe I am missing something. Ideas welcome.
The problem with the formatting of paragraphs is that TeX (the engine) has no
big concept about paragraphs.
When you want to change the font or color for a paragraph you have to change
the values of the document
with \setupbodyfont[…] or \setupcolors[textcolor=…]. For local changes for a
certain paragraph you can
apply these values in a group (to change the color you can just use
\startcolor[…] … \stopcolor).
ConTeXt provides also a paragraph environment but this add only tags when you
export the document
as XML or create a tagged PDF.
The paragraphs (note the "s") environment has a Hans already mentioned nothing
to do with paragraphs,
it just puts the content on columns where each column can con tai multiple
paragraphs. The name
for the environment is misleading because columns is already taken as name.
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi, Le 30/01/2013 19:49, Thomas A. Schmitz a écrit : On 01/30/2013 07:42 PM, Alain Delmotte wrote: Thomas, It's better not start such a discussion. When I was younger ( :-) ) I was reacting this way, so I understand, but this never helped!!! Regards to both, and, Keith, I'd like to see your programming manual when you have it ready. Alain OK, Alain, acknowledged. And I'm happy someone thinks I'm young - will turn 50 this year. Hu! Being 66 you are a kid :-) Alain All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
On 01/30/2013 07:42 PM, Alain Delmotte wrote: Thomas, It's better not start such a discussion. When I was younger ( :-) ) I was reacting this way, so I understand, but this never helped!!! Regards to both, and, Keith, I'd like to see your programming manual when you have it ready. Alain OK, Alain, acknowledged. And I'm happy someone thinks I'm young - will turn 50 this year. All best Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Thomas, It's better not start such a discussion. When I was younger ( :-) ) I was reacting this way, so I understand, but this never helped!!! Regards to both, and, Keith, I'd like to see your programming manual when you have it ready. Alain Le 30/01/2013 19:13, Thomas A. Schmitz a écrit : On 01/30/2013 07:03 PM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: I have already seen these. My needs are more sophisiticated and I need programmers manuals and no such users manuals. Thanx regards Keioth. Wow. I think you misspelled your name. And the words "thank you." And you may be too sophisticated for our humble mailing list. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
On 2013–01–30 Keith J. Schultz wrote: > > First I would like to ask not to change messages' subject if you want to > > see another point. > > Changing subject breaks the normal links of threads, further it becomes > > very difficult to find a message embedded in another subject. > > For a new subject create a new message/thread. > 1) I was not aware that in the headers that information of the message > I hit the reply button on. There's a reason that mail clients provide two distinct features for “new mail” and “reply to”. A new mail creates a new thread and a reply to creates an “In-Reply-To:” header. > 2) I would assume that e-mail clients and forums would be smart enough > to check the >subject like and react appropriately. You sent a message containing: In-Reply-To: <9cbfd630-fefd-4f75-9e3c-d6ba53b27...@web.de> And that's exactly how email clients should display the message, as a reply to the message with the given Message-ID. It's totally valid to change the “Subject” line keeping the thread. An email client has no built-in crystal ball which could prophesy your intentions. > At least my e-mail client handles these things gracefully. I would consider filing a bug report. Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
On 01/30/2013 07:03 PM, Keith J. Schultz wrote: I have already seen these. My needs are more sophisiticated and I need programmers manuals and no such users manuals. Thanx regards Keioth. Wow. I think you misspelled your name. And the words "thank you." And you may be too sophisticated for our humble mailing list. Thomas ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Alain, Am 30.01.2013 um 16:07 schrieb Alain Delmotte : > Hi, > > First I would like to ask not to change messages' subject if you want to see > another point. > Changing subject breaks the normal links of threads, further it becomes very > difficult to find a message embedded in another subject. > For a new subject create a new message/thread. 1) I was not aware that in the headers that information of the message I hit the reply button on. 2) I would assume that e-mail clients and forums would be smart enough to check the subject like and react appropriately. At least my e-mail client handles these things gracefully. > > I also search for documentation, especially to understand the philosophy of > ConTeXt. > I did find the thread "From LaTeX to ConTeXt" very interesting because, even > if you do not know LaTeX, the steps to obtain certain results are well > described, often in many steps more and more professional. > I have already seen these. My needs are more sophisiticated and I need programmers manuals and no such users manuals. Thanx regards Keioth. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
I forgot to give the link :
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/From_LaTeX_to_ConTeXt
Alain
Le 30/01/2013 16:07, Alain Delmotte a écrit :
Hi,
First I would like to ask not to change messages' subject if
you want to see another point.
Changing subject breaks the normal links of threads, further
it becomes very difficult to find a message embedded in
another subject.
For a new subject create a new message/thread.
I also search for documentation, especially to understand
the philosophy of ConTeXt.
I did find the thread "From LaTeX to ConTeXt" very
interesting because, even if you do not know LaTeX, the
steps to obtain certain results are well described, often in
many steps more and more professional.
Good ConTeXting,
Alain Delmotte
Le 30/01/2013 10:00, Keith J. Schultz a écrit :
Hi Everybody,
Thank you for your help with the documentation.
Inorder to teach myself ConTeXt I have to decided to write a
learning by doing manual for ConTeXt.
First off, I know I can get the formatting needed,
by using defineparagraph and setupparagraphs, but then
have I have to use start/stop-myparagraph, etc. .
Well, I wanted "format" my normal paragraphs.
Following, the standard way of doing things in ConTeX, as
with headers and wanted to use setupparagraphs.
The problem want is the name of the standard(default)
paragraph.
I have not found any. Is there a name for it.
As example lets take I want to have a little space between
my paragraph.
MWE
\setupwhitespace{medium]
\startext
\stoptext
What I would like is to do:
MNWE:
\setuparagraphs[][][before={\setupwhitespace{medium]]
%% or
%% \setuparagraphs[][][before=\bigskip]
\startext
\stoptext
In other words there is no way, that I can find to
globally set "standard" paragraphs!!
The same goes for indenting of paragraphs. Yes, Yes there
are the standard indenting commands.
I feel though one should be able to use setupparagraphs
for this.
Also, it took me awhile to find the setupwhitespace
command, because for me whitespace can be
either horizontal or vertical. I think it would be better
to rename it to setupparagraphspacing or something
like that. Or at least define a synonym for it. This would
make things easier for the casual or beginning user.
Maybe I am missing something. Ideas welcome.
regards
Keith.
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Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi,
First I would like to ask not to change messages' subject if
you want to see another point.
Changing subject breaks the normal links of threads, further
it becomes very difficult to find a message embedded in
another subject.
For a new subject create a new message/thread.
I also search for documentation, especially to understand
the philosophy of ConTeXt.
I did find the thread "From LaTeX to ConTeXt" very
interesting because, even if you do not know LaTeX, the
steps to obtain certain results are well described, often in
many steps more and more professional.
Good ConTeXting,
Alain Delmotte
Le 30/01/2013 10:00, Keith J. Schultz a écrit :
Hi Everybody,
Thank you for your help with the documentation.
Inorder to teach myself ConTeXt I have to decided to write a
learning by doing manual for ConTeXt.
First off, I know I can get the formatting needed,
by using defineparagraph and setupparagraphs, but then
have I have to use start/stop-myparagraph, etc. .
Well, I wanted "format" my normal paragraphs.
Following, the standard way of doing things in ConTeX, as
with headers and wanted to use setupparagraphs.
The problem want is the name of the standard(default) paragraph.
I have not found any. Is there a name for it.
As example lets take I want to have a little space between my paragraph.
MWE
\setupwhitespace{medium]
\startext
\stoptext
What I would like is to do:
MNWE:
\setuparagraphs[][][before={\setupwhitespace{medium]]
%% or
%% \setuparagraphs[][][before=\bigskip]
\startext
\stoptext
In other words there is no way, that I can find to globally set "standard"
paragraphs!!
The same goes for indenting of paragraphs. Yes, Yes there are the standard
indenting commands.
I feel though one should be able to use setupparagraphs for this.
Also, it took me awhile to find the setupwhitespace command, because for me
whitespace can be
either horizontal or vertical. I think it would be better to rename it to
setupparagraphspacing or something
like that. Or at least define a synonym for it. This would make things easier
for the casual or beginning user.
Maybe I am missing something. Ideas welcome.
regards
Keith.
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Re: [NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
On 1/30/2013 10:00 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi Everybody,
Thank you for your help with the documentation.
Inorder to teach myself ConTeXt I have to decided to write a
learning by doing manual for ConTeXt.
First off, I know I can get the formatting needed,
by using defineparagraph and setupparagraphs, but then
have I have to use start/stop-myparagraph, etc. .
Well, I wanted "format" my normal paragraphs.
Following, the standard way of doing things in ConTeX, as
with headers and wanted to use setupparagraphs.
The problem want is the name of the standard(default) paragraph.
I have not found any. Is there a name for it.
As example lets take I want to have a little space between my paragraph.
MWE
\setupwhitespace{medium]
\startext
\stoptext
What I would like is to do:
MNWE:
\setuparagraphs[][][before={\setupwhitespace{medium]]
%% or
%% \setuparagraphs[][][before=\bigskip]
\startext
\stoptext
In other words there is no way, that I can find to globally set "standard"
paragraphs!!
just say \setupwhitespace{medium] as the \setupparagraphs refers to a
special mechanism (kind of table like that predates the tabulate
mechanism)
Hans
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[NTG-context] Possible inconsistency in the use of paragraphs in ConTeXt
Hi Everybody,
Thank you for your help with the documentation.
Inorder to teach myself ConTeXt I have to decided to write a
learning by doing manual for ConTeXt.
First off, I know I can get the formatting needed,
by using defineparagraph and setupparagraphs, but then
have I have to use start/stop-myparagraph, etc. .
Well, I wanted "format" my normal paragraphs.
Following, the standard way of doing things in ConTeX, as
with headers and wanted to use setupparagraphs.
The problem want is the name of the standard(default) paragraph.
I have not found any. Is there a name for it.
As example lets take I want to have a little space between my paragraph.
MWE
\setupwhitespace{medium]
\startext
\stoptext
What I would like is to do:
MNWE:
\setuparagraphs[][][before={\setupwhitespace{medium]]
%% or
%% \setuparagraphs[][][before=\bigskip]
\startext
\stoptext
In other words there is no way, that I can find to globally set "standard"
paragraphs!!
The same goes for indenting of paragraphs. Yes, Yes there are the standard
indenting commands.
I feel though one should be able to use setupparagraphs for this.
Also, it took me awhile to find the setupwhitespace command, because for me
whitespace can be
either horizontal or vertical. I think it would be better to rename it to
setupparagraphspacing or something
like that. Or at least define a synonym for it. This would make things easier
for the casual or beginning user.
Maybe I am missing something. Ideas welcome.
regards
Keith.
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