Re: Friday OT: Demotivational poster of the week

[WL]

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/celebrity-pictures-inigo-montoya-dying.jpg


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:
> OK, what's everybody's favorite (de)motivational poster?
>
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/misspelling-it-still-
> matters-alot-demotivational-poster.jpg
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Friday OT: Demotivational poster of the week

[Sam Cayze]

Good topic :)
http://home.comcast.net/~phate408/posters/simplicity.jpg

 

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Friday OT: Demotivational poster of the week

OK, what's everybody's favorite (de)motivational poster?

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/misspelling-it-sti
ll-
matters-alot-demotivational-poster.jpg


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Friday OT: Demotivational poster of the week

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

OK, what's everybody's favorite (de)motivational poster?

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/misspelling-it-still-
matters-alot-demotivational-poster.jpg


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

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Re: Del *.bak after 7 days

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

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Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Don Ely]

You are odd, yes!

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 February 2009 11:06 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> I would have to disagree with that.
>
> To have Practical Experience you do have to have 'some' understanding of
> the theory of what they are doing. Else, they wouldn't know how, and why, it
> is important.
>
>  You don��™t need to have a theoretical understanding of Active Directory
> to be able to perform operational tasks ��" add users, link GPOs, perform
> restores, ec
>
> There are plenty of ops guys that I interview every year that say they
> arœstro in Active Directory (���™ve even had a few that say they
> arœstro with IIS, but I can usually dissuade them about that J).
> But as soon as we take them through a design exercise for a fictitious
> company and saœtell me about Site Link Bridgin��� oœtell me about GC
> placement ��" how does a GC do its work and how does that impact your
> design�� I start to see a bit of hesitancy.
>
> Now, an MCSE is not going to teach you all that stuff. But people who can
> undertake structured study ��" not just research things that confront them
> in thœhere and n make better consultants/architects than those that
> ca���™t (all other things being equal).
>
> If I were a manager, and was looking to hire a tech, I would ask them how
> long they had been in this industry and how long they have had their cert's,
> if any. I am looking for someone who knows the work. I am also looking for
> someone who can think quickly and knows how to apply their knowledge across
> different disciplines.
>
> Of course we are all looking for great hires that have great initiative,
> great attitude, great knowledge, great experience and so on. Not all of them
> will have MCSEs. But if I see someone who makes an effort to go out and get
> their certification (and has some work experience as well), then that person
> (all other things being equal) will be ahead in my books. Not only do they
> have practical experience from the things that they actually did, they
> should also have some theoretical knowledge about the product and ™s
> features that they have���™t yet used. And when you go to a customer you
> need to know a bit about as much as possible, so you can discuss options. On
> the other hand, if all you have is a hammer, then problem looks like a nail.
> I do my certs because I like studying new things���" learning about products
> and what they can do. The certs are just there to prove to myself that I can
> pass a test. But then again, I run 7 servers in my own apartment and have 10
> other computers, so I��™m probably a bit odd.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
>
> I don't have my MCSE, but I have been administering networks since the late
> 80's. I have admin'd Novell, up to version 5, a SCO Unix server, RISC 6000
> servers, and multitudes of NT 4.0, 2000/2003 Servers. I have experience with
> Active Directory and GPO.  I have been admin'd Cisco Routers and Switches
> when they were OEM'd to IBM. I got a contract to be an Assistant Network
> Admin and was instrumental in setting up a disaster recovery for their MS
> SQL 2000 server. I setup a Virtual Server on their 2003 box and took a
> snapshot of the SQL Server. Migrated the data off the SQL internal drives to
> a JBOD. Showed management that if this server should die that we could be up
> in 20 minutes, or less, with the Virtual Server failover configuration. This
> was back in 2005.
>
> Did I have my MCSE Cert? No. But I did understand the theories in order to
> get this to work. Yes, I did have to do research, but at least I knew what
> to look up and who to go to to get my questions answered. Nearly everything
> that I know has been by hands on learning and experience.
>
> If I were a manager, and was looking to hire a tech, I would ask them how
> long they had been in this industry and how long they have had their cert's,
> if any. I am looking for someone who knows the work. I am also looking for
> someone who can think quickly and knows how to apply their knowledge across
> different disciplines.
>
> Story I read once, and it has helped me in many situations (this story is
> old as it references a time when someone would actually pump your gas);
>
> Woman is distraught because her son got hold of a ring and put it on his
> finger, and now it was stuck. She tried to remove the ring, but her son's
> finger was swelling up. So she called the doctor's office and they said to
> bring him in.
> When she got there, the doctor looked at the finger and said that the
> swelling was getting worse and that they may need to amputate the finger or
> else an infection would set in.
> So the woman takes her son to the hospital.
> Along the way, she notices that she needs to get some gasoline, or else she
> won't make it to the hospital. She pul

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Scot Parsons]

Sen. Kerry, Sen. McCain would be more appropriate. Bush didn't go to law 
school. He got an MBA from Harvard. Bush also finished Yale with a one point 
higher average than Kerry. Gore wasn't stellar either. Five Fs out of 8 classes 
in grad school at Vanderbilt Divinity School. 

-Original Message-
From: Phil Guevara [mailto:pguev...@mhccov.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his
class in law/military school?
 A: "President George Bush, Senator Mccain". 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
wrote:
> A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ...

  Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class
in med school?
  A: "Doctor".

-- Ben

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RE: Backup Software

[Bob Fronk]

Just did the same thing this week.  A few bumps along the way, but I like DPM 
very much over Symantec BE.

Have finally rid my network of all things Symantec!!.  

-Original Message-
From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup Software

I switched from BE to DPM. I really like it, but I have a pretty much 
completely Microsoft infrastructure. If you don't it would not be so great.
TVK

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup Software

Just seeing if there is a backup solution that people have migrated to from 
Backup Exec.

What does UltraBac do differently or offer that BE doesn't?

___
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

1. Please define "better".

2. Seriously, why are you looking away from a product with which you are

familiar?

3. Our NYC office uses BE.  I was sent a "How to" with a series of screen 
shots, etc regarding their use of BE.  That doc has me clinging even more 
tightly to UltraBac (which I've been using for perhaps 10+ years)!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


"Cameron Cooper"  wrote on 02/04/2009 11:50:48 AM:

> Currently we are running Symantec BackUp Exec 12 in our environment , 
> at one site with removable hard drives and with tapes at another site.  
> Was wondering if there is another product that is better than BackUp 
> Exec and see what others thought about them.
> 
> ---___
> Cameron Cooper
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ken Schaefer]

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Dennis Rogov  wrote:
>> I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
>> Windows platform should have an MCSE.
>
>  I have no major vendor certifications.  I'll put my IT skills
> against any Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert, and wager
> good money I'll win.

When do we start? :-)

Cheers
Ken


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ken Schaefer]

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 11:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Ken,

I would have to disagree with that.

To have Practical Experience you do have to have 'some' understanding of the 
theory of what they are doing. Else, they wouldn't know how, and why, it is 
important.

You don���t need to have a theoretical understanding of Active Directory to be 
able to perform operational tasks add users, link GPOs, perform restores, ec
There are plenty of ops guys that I interview every year that say they 
arestron in Active Directory (I���ve even had a few that say they are 
���strong��� with IIS, but I can usually dissuade them about that ���). But as 
soon as we take them through a design exercise for a fictitious company and say 
���tell me about Site Link Bridgi� or ���tell me about GC placement ��� how 
does a GC do its work and how does that impact your design��� I start to see a 
bit of hesitancy.
Now, an MCSE is not going to teach you all that stuff. But people who can 
undertake structured study ��� not just research things that confront them in 
thehere and no make better consultants/architects than those that 
c�t (all other things being equal).
If I were a manager, and was looking to hire a tech, I would ask them how long 
they had been in this industry and how long they have had their cert's, if any. 
I am looking for someone who knows the work. I am also looking for someone who 
can think quickly and knows how to apply their knowledge across different 
disciplines.
Of course we are all looking for great hires that have great initiative, great 
attitude, great knowledge, great experience and so on. Not all of them will 
have MCSEs. But if I see someone who makes an effort to go out and get their 
certification (and has some work experience as well), then that person (all 
other things being equal) will be ahead in my books. Not only do they have 
practical experience from the things that they actually did, they should also 
have some theoretical knowledge about the product and is features that they 
haven���t yet used. And when you go to a customer you need to know a bit about 
as much as possible, so you can discuss options. On the other hand, if all you 
have is a hammer, then problem looks like a nail. I do my certs because I like 
studying new things ��� learning about products and what they can do. The certs 
are just there to prove to myself that I can pass a test. But then again, I run 
7 servers in my own apartment and have 10 other computers, so�m probably a 
bit odd.
Cheers
Ken

I don't have my MCSE, but I have been administering networks since the late 
80's. I have admin'd Novell, up to version 5, a SCO Unix server, RISC 6000 
servers, and multitudes of NT 4.0, 2000/2003 Servers. I have experience with 
Active Directory and GPO.  I have been admin'd Cisco Routers and Switches when 
they were OEM'd to IBM. I got a contract to be an Assistant Network Admin and 
was instrumental in setting up a disaster recovery for their MS SQL 2000 
server. I setup a Virtual Server on their 2003 box and took a snapshot of the 
SQL Server. Migrated the data off the SQL internal drives to a JBOD. Showed 
management that if this server should die that we could be up in 20 minutes, or 
less, with the Virtual Server failover configuration. This was back in 2005.

Did I have my MCSE Cert? No. But I did understand the theories in order to get 
this to work. Yes, I did have to do research, but at least I knew what to look 
up and who to go to to get my questions answered. Nearly everything that I know 
has been by hands on learning and experience.

If I were a manager, and was looking to hire a tech, I would ask them how long 
they had been in this industry and how long they have had their cert's, if any. 
I am looking for someone who knows the work. I am also looking for someone who 
can think quickly and knows how to apply their knowledge across different 
disciplines.

Story I read once, and it has helped me in many situations (this story is old 
as it references a time when someone would actually pump your gas);

Woman is distraught because her son got hold of a ring and put it on his 
finger, and now it was stuck. She tried to remove the ring, but her son's 
finger was swelling up. So she called the doctor's office and they said to 
bring him in.
When she got there, the doctor looked at the finger and said that the swelling 
was getting worse and that they may need to amputate the finger or else an 
infection would set in.
So the woman takes her son to the hospital.
Along the way, she notices that she needs to get some gasoline, or else she 
won't make it to the hospital. She pulls into a gas station. The gas attendant 
walks up and asks her what she needs. She blurts out that she needs to get some 
gas to get her son to the hospital because of his hand. The attendant ask to 
see h

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Phil Guevara]

 Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his
class in law/military school?
 A: "President George Bush, Senator Mccain". 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
wrote:
> A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ...

  Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his class
in med school?
  A: "Doctor".

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
 

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RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Phil Guevara]

Eventually the doctor will get experience and his education will be
moot. (According to the logic in the ring analogy)
 
 
 
 
"Education = learned before the mistake. Experience = learned after the
mistake."

  _  

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Ben,

That is really scary when you think about that 


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
wrote:
> A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ...

 Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his
class in med school?
 A: "Doctor".


-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



 


 


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Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Ben,

That is really scary when you think about that

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez 
> wrote:
> > A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ...
>
>  Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his
> class in med school?
>  A: "Doctor".
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Daniel Rodriguez  wrote:
> A doctor. who is certified and has many years of schooling ...

  Q: What do they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his
class in med school?
  A: "Doctor".

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

David,

I have been looking for those CD's for the past hour. I can only find my
Windows 2000 Server CD. I know I have NT 4.0, but just can't find it. If you
need it tonight, give me some time. I just don't know where those CD's are.



On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:

>  Anybody out there wouldn't happen to have a 120 trial or an old ISO image
> of NT Server or 2000 Server Standard???
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Dennis Rogov  wrote:
> I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
> Windows platform should have an MCSE.

  I have no major vendor certifications.  I'll put my IT skills
against any Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert, and wager
good money I'll win.

  I realize certs are a requirement at many organizations.  I've
always found I wouldn't want to work at those sorts of organizations.
So they're filtering me out and I'm filtering them it.  Everybody
wins.  :)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

uh, yeah.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:

>  Firefox can do FTP?!?
>
>  --
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:45 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ISO images
>
> David,
>
> Getting the following error:
>
> ftp.imcu.com uses an invalid security certificate.
>
> The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.
>
> (Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)
>
>
> Currently using Mandriva Linux with Firefox 3.0.5
>
> This should work. Any other way to get it to you?
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:
>
>>  Couldn't handle you all.
>>
>> Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System Admin
>> Issues.
>>
>> Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber you are at
>> any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box of rocks in
>> the middle of the ocean with no flotation device….
>>
>> J
>>
>> That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or just
>> messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery from
>> 2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any time
>> soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all…
>>
>> ;-}
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't trust us??   >;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *Systems Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *315 SE 2nd Ave***
>>
>> *Gainesville**, Fl 32601*
>>
>> *Office (352) 393-2741 x320*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *Fax (352) 393-2746*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>>
>>
>>
>> That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone
>>
>> J
>>
>> Needless to say the password has been changed….
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you put the NT server here:
>>
>> https://ftp.imcu.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Username ftp_David
>>
>> Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Just put it in the root.
>>
>> You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: ISO images
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ISO images

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Sam Cayze  wrote:
> Firefox can do FTP?!?

  Actually, Firefox *can* do FTP, but as Dave McSpadden noted, that's
not Daniel Rodriguez's problem.  And I don't think Firefox can do FTP
PUT (upload), just GET.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Ken,

I would have to disagree with that.

To have Practical Experience you do have to have 'some' understanding of the
theory of what they are doing. Else, they wouldn't know how, and why, it is
important.

I don't have my MCSE, but I have been administering networks since the late
80's. I have admin'd Novell, up to version 5, a SCO Unix server, RISC 6000
servers, and multitudes of NT 4.0, 2000/2003 Servers. I have experience with
Active Directory and GPO.  I have been admin'd Cisco Routers and Switches
when they were OEM'd to IBM. I got a contract to be an Assistant Network
Admin and was instrumental in setting up a disaster recovery for their MS
SQL 2000 server. I setup a Virtual Server on their 2003 box and took a
snapshot of the SQL Server. Migrated the data off the SQL internal drives to
a JBOD. Showed management that if this server should die that we could be up
in 20 minutes, or less, with the Virtual Server failover configuration. This
was back in 2005.

Did I have my MCSE Cert? No. But I did understand the theories in order to
get this to work. Yes, I did have to do research, but at least I knew what
to look up and who to go to to get my questions answered. Nearly everything
that I know has been by hands on learning and experience.

If I were a manager, and was looking to hire a tech, I would ask them how
long they had been in this industry and how long they have had their cert's,
if any. I am looking for someone who knows the work. I am also looking for
someone who can think quickly and knows how to apply their knowledge across
different disciplines.

Story I read once, and it has helped me in many situations (this story is
old as it references a time when someone would actually pump your gas);

Woman is distraught because her son got hold of a ring and put it on his
finger, and now it was stuck. She tried to remove the ring, but her son's
finger was swelling up. So she called the doctor's office and they said to
bring him in.
When she got there, the doctor looked at the finger and said that the
swelling was getting worse and that they may need to amputate the finger or
else an infection would set in.
So the woman takes her son to the hospital.
Along the way, she notices that she needs to get some gasoline, or else she
won't make it to the hospital. She pulls into a gas station. The gas
attendant walks up and asks her what she needs. She blurts out that she
needs to get some gas to get her son to the hospital because of his hand.
The attendant ask to see her son's hand. He examines it for a second and ask
her to bring her son to the work bay. He gets her son to sit down and he
pulls out some string from a drawer. The attendant proceeds to wrap the
string around the finger just in front of the ring. As he wraps the string
around the finger, he makes it a bit tighter than the previous round. This
makes the boy's finger a little smaller and allows the attendant to move the
ring up the finger.
Eventually, the attendant is able to get the ring off.

Now, this story shows two schools of thought. A doctor. who is certified and
has many years of schooling, determined that amputation was necessary for
this situation. The attendant at the gas station knew from experience, that
he didn't need to squeeze the entire finger to get the ring off. He just
needed to squeeze a little area at a time to move the ring past a certain
point.

My point to this story is this; Even though you have someone who is
certified, but with little or no experience, they may not be able to give
the best answer to a problem. But, someone with experience will rely on past
situations to come up with the best answer to a problem.

My $.02.


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  Sounds like a guy who doesn't know what he's doing.
>
>
>
> But MCSEs (or CCNAs or CISSPs) aren't tested on whether you can create
> shortcuts on desktops.
>
>
>
> Someone who's just read a bunch of books and then gone and passed some
> exams probably isn't going to be able to do a lot in a practical situation.
> But there are plenty of people who have practical experience who don't
> understand the theory behind what they are doing.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> *From:* Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 February 2009 9:45 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
> Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.
>
>
>
> He lasted about one week.
>
>
>
> *From:* Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer
> what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP,
> never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't
> have learned nothing taking a class 

RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

It isn't really ftp.

He is using https and the prefix is ftp for the imcu.com site.

It is obsecurity 

 



From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Firefox can do FTP?!? 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

David,

Getting the following error:

ftp.imcu.com uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is
unknown.

(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)


Currently using Mandriva Linux with Firefox 3.0.5

This should work. Any other way to get it to you?

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:

Couldn't handle you all.

Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System Admin
Issues.

Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber you are at
any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box of rocks
in the middle of the ocean with no flotation device

:-)

That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or just
messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery from
2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any time
soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all...

;-}

 

 



From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

You don't trust us??   >;-)

 

John W. Cook

Systems Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

:-)

Needless to say the password has been changed

 

 



From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
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RE: ISO images

[Sam Cayze]

Firefox can do FTP?!? 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images


David,

Getting the following error:

ftp.imcu.com uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is
unknown.

(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)


Currently using Mandriva Linux with Firefox 3.0.5

This should work. Any other way to get it to you?


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:


Couldn't handle you all.

Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System
Admin Issues.

Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber
you are at any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box
of rocks in the middle of the ocean with no flotation device

:-)

That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or
just messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery
from 2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any
time soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all...

;-}

 

 





From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM 

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images



 

You don't trust us??   >;-)

 

John W. Cook

Systems Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

:-)

Needless to say the password has been changed

 

 





From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would
you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 





From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
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Indiana 
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RE: Virtual PC

[Michael B. Smith]

This (built in) is available to you as a part of MDOP. If you have SA.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael
I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php


-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Virtual PC

Wondering if this can be done... 

Can we setup a virtual pc, using Microsoft Virtual PC, on a Windows 2003
Terminal Server and then load that onto a computer as if the user was
actually running the OS on that machine?

___
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com

-Original Message-
From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

IT achievement:
I was almost able to completely document our Business Recovery process
for the Mortgage server but the hard drives failed and I had to start
over
:-)
I wouldn't be a good candidate for your company I am sorry I have wasted
both of our time...


-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview?

It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but how
about some accountability to hiring managers?  If you are hiring someone
shouldn't you ask questions like:

"Please give us an example from your experience where you worked with
multiple sites and subnets"
"Tell us about your experience with environments that had > 5000 users"
"Tell us about a moderately complex exchange script you have written"

My favorite question to ask a potential employee is tell me about the
coolest IT thing you have done recently or more professionally tell me
about an IT achievement you are most proud of.  That answer generally
tells me what type of person I am talking to.

-troy 



-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers t

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Troy Meyer]

As long as you can create a shortcut on the desktop



-Original Message-
From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

IT achievement:
I was almost able to completely document our Business Recovery process
for the Mortgage server but the hard drives failed and I had to start
over
:-)
I wouldn't be a good candidate for your company I am sorry I have wasted
both of our time...


-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview?

It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but how
about some accountability to hiring managers?  If you are hiring someone
shouldn't you ask questions like:

"Please give us an example from your experience where you worked with
multiple sites and subnets"
"Tell us about your experience with environments that had > 5000 users"
"Tell us about a moderately complex exchange script you have written"

My favorite question to ask a potential employee is tell me about the
coolest IT thing you have done recently or more professionally tell me
about an IT achievement you are most proud of.  That answer generally
tells me what type of person I am talking to.

-troy 



-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so m

Virtual PC

[Cameron Cooper]

Wondering if this can be done... 

Can we setup a virtual pc, using Microsoft Virtual PC, on a Windows 2003
Terminal Server and then load that onto a computer as if the user was
actually running the OS on that machine?

___
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com

-Original Message-
From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

IT achievement:
I was almost able to completely document our Business Recovery process
for the Mortgage server but the hard drives failed and I had to start
over
:-)
I wouldn't be a good candidate for your company I am sorry I have wasted
both of our time...


-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview?

It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but how
about some accountability to hiring managers?  If you are hiring someone
shouldn't you ask questions like:

"Please give us an example from your experience where you worked with
multiple sites and subnets"
"Tell us about your experience with environments that had > 5000 users"
"Tell us about a moderately complex exchange script you have written"

My favorite question to ask a potential employee is tell me about the
coolest IT thing you have done recently or more professionally tell me
about an IT achievement you are most proud of.  That answer generally
tells me what type of person I am talking to.

-troy 



-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in w

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[David McSpadden]

IT achievement:
I was almost able to completely document our Business Recovery process
for the Mortgage server but the hard drives failed and I had to start
over
:-)
I wouldn't be a good candidate for your company I am sorry I have wasted
both of our time...


-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview?

It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but how
about some accountability to hiring managers?  If you are hiring someone
shouldn't you ask questions like:

"Please give us an example from your experience where you worked with
multiple sites and subnets"
"Tell us about your experience with environments that had > 5000 users"
"Tell us about a moderately complex exchange script you have written"

My favorite question to ask a potential employee is tell me about the
coolest IT thing you have done recently or more professionally tell me
about an IT achievement you are most proud of.  That answer generally
tells me what type of person I am talking to.

-troy 



-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time
for a change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Ko

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Not in this lifetime...


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue
> 
> Then you ARE just like Shook...Welcome to adulthood!!!

Are you saying Shook is an adult???


Webster


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Troy Meyer]

Seriously though... Did you ask any questions in the interview?

It's always nice to see the bi-annual rant about certs here but how about some 
accountability to hiring managers?  If you are hiring someone shouldn't you ask 
questions like:

"Please give us an example from your experience where you worked with multiple 
sites and subnets"
"Tell us about your experience with environments that had > 5000 users"
"Tell us about a moderately complex exchange script you have written"

My favorite question to ask a potential employee is tell me about the coolest 
IT thing you have done recently or more professionally tell me about an IT 
achievement you are most proud of.  That answer generally tells me what type of 
person I am talking to.

-troy 



-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not 
kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what 
they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never 
bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have 
learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers / my 
own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke, would 
you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once and 
I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to hire a 
more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved in the 
process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position. Well they 
hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick at. Well after 
about two months of working together and him consistently failing to do simple 
things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he would start taking the 
printer network device apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and 
drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but 
decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop 
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in the 
hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they 
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who 
have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can 
be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Su

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ken Schaefer]

Sounds like a guy who doesn't know what he's doing.

But MCSEs (or CCNAs or CISSPs) aren't tested on whether you can create 
shortcuts on desktops.

Someone who's just read a bunch of books and then gone and passed some exams 
probably isn't going to be able to do a lot in a practical situation. But there 
are plenty of people who have practical experience who don't understand the 
theory behind what they are doing.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
Sent: Friday, 6 February 2009 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not 
kidding. Really.. not kidding.

He lasted about one week.

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what 
they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never 
bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have 
learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers / my 
own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke, would 
you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once and 
I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to hire a 
more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved in the 
process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position. Well they 
hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick at. Well after 
about two months of working together and him consistently failing to do simple 
things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he would start taking the 
printer network device apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and 
drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but 
decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop 
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in the 
hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they 
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who 
have no MS certs and never will.

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can 
be an MCSE without much trouble.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[dennis_rogov2004]

Why did you him then
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Jacob" 

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:44:51 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not
kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer
what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP,
never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't
have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers
/ my own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke,
would you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once
and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to
hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved
in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position.
Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick
at. Well after about two months of working together and him consistently
failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he
would start taking the printer network device apart since that had to be the
problem.  I sat down and drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring
he was a carpenter but decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a
small company as desktop support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was
the major factor in the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people
who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests
can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my
team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other
vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior
level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your
infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix...
As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager
certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and
requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 

  _  

From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for
a change.

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything
2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they
never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005
is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell
for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Adm

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Cameron Cooper]

Lol... makes you wonder how did he pass the MCSE tests?

 

---___

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com  

 

From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop.
Not kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time
for a change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not
security folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams
everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that
mentality, they never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin
hell for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

N

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Jacob]

We hired an MCSE who did not know how to create a shortcut on a desktop. Not
kidding. Really.. not kidding.

 

He lasted about one week.

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer
what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP,
never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't
have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers
/ my own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke,
would you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once
and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to
hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved
in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position.
Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick
at. Well after about two months of working together and him consistently
failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he
would start taking the printer network device apart since that had to be the
problem.  I sat down and drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring
he was a carpenter but decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a
small company as desktop support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was
the major factor in the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people
who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests
can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my
team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other
vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior
level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your
infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix...
As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager
certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and
requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 

  _  

From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for
a change.

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything
2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they
never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005
is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell
for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

 

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go
through the whole thing for 2008.

 

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]

RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

I do appreciate that

Keeps me from having to remember so much...

Do you fix anything else I might have left undone...

:-)

 



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Don't worry. I put it back to the one you posted.

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

:-)

Needless to say the password has been changed

 

 



From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana 
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sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any 
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

David,

Getting the following error:

ftp.imcu.com uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown.

(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)


Currently using Mandriva Linux with Firefox 3.0.5

This should work. Any other way to get it to you?

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:

>  Couldn't handle you all.
>
> Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System Admin
> Issues.
>
> Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber you are at
> any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box of rocks in
> the middle of the ocean with no flotation device….
>
> J
>
> That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or just
> messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery from
> 2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any time
> soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all…
>
> ;-}
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> You don't trust us??   >;-)
>
>
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *Systems Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *315 SE 2nd Ave***
>
> *Gainesville**, Fl 32601*
>
> *Office (352) 393-2741 x320*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *Fax (352) 393-2746*
>
> *MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+*
>
>
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone
>
> J
>
> Needless to say the password has been changed….
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> Can you put the NT server here:
>
> https://ftp.imcu.com
>
>
>
> Username ftp_David
>
> Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)
>
>
>
> Just put it in the root.
>
> You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?
>
>
>
> Thank you so much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ISO images
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
> believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the
>
> sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any
>
> other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of
>
> this email is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
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>
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RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

Actual I have the 2000 already.  I an NT coming down in zips.

But no actual ISO image. 

Thanks

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana 
Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the 
use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you 
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sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any 
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: ISO images

[Martin Blackstone]

Don't worry. I put it back to the one you posted.

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

J

Needless to say the password has been changed..

 

 

  _  

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 

  _  

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana 
Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the 
use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you 
are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to 
believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the 
sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any 
other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of 
this email is strictly prohibited.
 
 

 

 

 
This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana 
Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the 
use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you 
are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to 
believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the 
sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any 
other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of 
this email is strictly prohibited.
 
 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Ok... I can't find my NT 4.0 Server, but I do have my 2000 Server. Will that
help? It's a 10 user license key.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:

>  Couldn't handle you all.
>
> Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System Admin
> Issues.
>
> Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber you are at
> any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box of rocks in
> the middle of the ocean with no flotation device….
>
> J
>
> That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or just
> messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery from
> 2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any time
> soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all…
>
> ;-}
>
>  0
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> You don't trust us??   >;-)
>
>
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *Systems Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *315 SE 2nd Ave***
>
> *Gainesville**, Fl 32601*
>
> *Office (352) 393-2741 x320*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *Fax (352) 393-2746*
>
> *MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+*
>
>
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone
>
> J
>
> Needless to say the password has been changed….
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> Can you put the NT server here:
>
> https://ftp.imcu.com
>
>
>
> Username ftp_David
>
> Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)
>
>
>
> Just put it in the root.
>
> You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?
>
>
>
> Thank you so much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ISO images
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
> believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the
>
> sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any
>
> other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of
>
> this email is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
> believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the
>
> sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any
>
> other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of
>
> this email is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or
> attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI),
> confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission,
> dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this
> information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without
> the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information
> may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act
> of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or
> unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil
> and/or criminal penalties.
> Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really
> need to.
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
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> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ 

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

It's not a question of trust, it's a question of. well, I guess it is a
question of trust, when you get down to it. :)

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:30 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  You don't trust us??   >;-)
>
>
>
> *John W. Cook*
>
> *Systems Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *315 SE 2nd Ave*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32601*
>
> *Office (352) 393-2741 x320*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *Fax (352) 393-2746*
>
> *MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+*
>
>
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone
>
> J
>
> Needless to say the password has been changed….
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: ISO images
>
>
>
> Can you put the NT server here:
>
> https://ftp.imcu.com
>
>
>
> Username ftp_David
>
> Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)
>
>
>
> Just put it in the root.
>
> You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?
>
>
>
> Thank you so much.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: ISO images
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
> believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the
>
> sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any
>
> other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of
>
> this email is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are property of Indiana
>
> Members Credit Union, are confidential, and are intended solely for the
>
> use of the individual or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you
>
> are not one of the named recipient(s) or otherwise have reason to
>
> believe that you have received this message in error, please notify the
>
> sender and delete this message immediately from your computer. Any
>
> other use, retention, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of
>
> this email is strictly prohibited.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or
> attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to
> which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI),
> confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission,
> dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this
> information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without
> the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information
> may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act
> of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or
> unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil
> and/or criminal penalties.
> Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really
> need to.
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

Couldn't handle you all.

Let's see there are I don't know about 8500 members of NT System Admin
Issues.

Of which 10% are eager to show everybody else how much dumber you are at
any given moment.  Like right now I am about as dumb as a box of rocks
in the middle of the ocean with no flotation device

:-)

That would be about 850 users accessing and dumping or taking or just
messing with my EFT server.  Which is a fragile piece of machinery from
2002.  I don't have it in the plans to replace said machinery any time
soon.  So, no, I really don't trust you all...

;-}

 

 



From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

You don't trust us??   >;-)

 

John W. Cook

Systems Administrator

Partnership For Strong Families

315 SE 2nd Ave

Gainesville, Fl 32601

Office (352) 393-2741 x320

Cell (352) 215-6944

Fax (352) 393-2746

MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

 

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

:-)

Needless to say the password has been changed

 

 



From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
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RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Cliff Partlow]

I was in a rather large IT division with many different skill sets, all over
the country. Most of the guys and gals I worked with gave 100%  8 to 16
hours a day. Everyone wanted to move to the Network Infrastructure team or
the Server administration team, some real nuts liked Lotus Notes Admin,
these are just examples. The competition was very healthy, professional, and
strong. Certs were requirements of the given slot. If you were real good and
proved it by your performance you could get a prime slot with the
understanding that the certification would follow shortly thereafter. I had
to study for a week or two before the test, some of these guys did it over a
weekend and that was demoralizing. It was never a good idea to get to your
review and not have that portion of your job requirements' lacking. I do
remember the one and only time it happened to me and how embarrassed I felt
at not having my particular cert and my lead saying to me what can the
company do to help me with this problem. That's where you say "I blew it and
it will not happen again."  There may be 8 to 10 areas covered on the review
and your peers are scoring high in all of them so you really do not have a
choice. Well you could always quit or asked to go back to TAC.

 

 

"From The Sunny Side Of The Street !"

Cliff P.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 13:47
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \
consulting engagement \ pre-sales meeting.  Necessary evil, in my mind.  I
hate the rat race but I keep current as it "validates" me\my company to the
untrained  prospect. 

 

--Andy Shook

Sr. Sales Engineer

Peak 10

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e-mail.  

 

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Certs are just a piece of paper...  

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov 
wrote:

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my
team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other
vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior
level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your
infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix...
As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager
certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and
requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 

  _  

From: "Ziots, Edward"  


To: NT System Admin Issues 

Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for
a change.

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything
2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they
never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005
is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell
for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MC

RE: ISO images

[John Cook]

You don't trust us??   >;-)

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone
:)
Needless to say the password has been changed



From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

Can you put the NT server here:
https://ftp.imcu.com

Username ftp_David
Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

Just put it in the root.
You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

Thank you so much.




From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images






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RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

That probably shouldn't have gone out to everyone

:-)

Needless to say the password has been changed

 

 



From: David McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ISO images

 

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
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RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Webster]

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue
> 
> Then you ARE just like Shook...Welcome to adulthood!!!

Are you saying Shook is an adult???


Webster


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: ISO images

[David McSpadden]

Can you put the NT server here:

https://ftp.imcu.com  

 

Username ftp_David

Password EriMM02=  (Where 0 is zero.)

 

Just put it in the root.

You wouldn't happen to have the product key for it as well would you?

 

Thank you so much.

 

 

 



From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ISO images

 

 

 
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~   ~

Re: ISO images

[Daniel Rodriguez]

I have actual cd's of both. What do you need and how do you need me to get
it to you?


On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David McSpadden  wrote:

>  Anybody out there wouldn't happen to have a 120 trial or an old ISO image
> of NT Server or 2000 Server Standard???
>
>
>
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~   ~

RE: Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?

[Free, Bob]

I'd think klist would be more like if that was the chosen route as it's
CLI



From: Devin Meade [mailto:devin.me...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?


kerbtray - I don't know if it can be scripted.  
 
hth Devin


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stephen Wimberly
 wrote:


I have a script that I want to run, but only when the user login
was cached.
Is there a way to tell whether the current user login was cached
or verified
by a domain controller?

I _thought_ I'd use the %logonserver% variable, but apparently
it shows the
domain controller that last authenticated the user even when the
current
login was cached.

Most scripts I've seen ping a server that is only available on
the LAN and
look for the reply.  In this case though I don't care if they
are on LAN or
not, I care if they are cached or not.


I found a script that looks through the event log for "Last
cache login" and
displays the date/time, but it doesn't effectively tell me what
my current
login is.

Anyone know a way to tell?  I know the XP firewall has settings
for a domain
profile, is it using a domain profile for all cached logins?

Thanks In Advance for pointers!



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!
~
~   ~





-- 
Devin


 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[dennis_rogov2004]

This topic really depands on the inviduals. However wouldn't you agree if you 
go for a position and your skills attitude are very similar to your 
competition. If they have certs and you don't most likelly that candidate will 
be chosen. In this economy you never know when you will be dealt that card.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond 

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:01:50 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


As a qualified candidate making a lateral career move, am I going to recover 
the $1000 or so in costs to take the tests? I don't know anyone that pays more 
for them short of an entry level position.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

My belief having an mcse just means that you went through the proccess and 
passed all the exams and you have a foundation. I would be the last person to 
say that just because you have an mcse you are an expert.. However for someone 
who has been in IT for years and has been working within windows environment 
passing exams should be a joke and I don't see any excuses why one shouldn't do 
it...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From: "Garcia-Moran, Carlos"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:42:27 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what 
they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never 
bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have 
learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers / my 
own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke, would 
you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once and 
I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to hire a 
more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved in the 
process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position. Well they 
hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick at. Well after 
about two months of working together and him consistently failing to do simple 
things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he would start taking the 
printer network device apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and 
drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but 
decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop 
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in the 
hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they 
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who 
have no MS certs and never will.

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can 
be an MCSE without much trouble.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Point taken,

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

For those into security I

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Michael B. Smith]

Bah.

 

You should think of certs and degrees merely as ways to get you entry.

 

I work with lots of banks and educational institutions; and subcontract to
other consulting firms. Certs and degrees are the price of entry.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael

I'll be at TEC'2009! http://www.tec2009.com/vegas/index.php

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Best reason I've heard yet for not getting a degree. :-P

 

 

From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost
impossible to land a managment position

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

  _  

From: "Ziots, Edward" 
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:41:52 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Concurr, 

 

Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep doing
it. The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am looking for,
no certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only reason I can see is
basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements to have so many
certified people on staff to maintain status. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

  _  

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Brian Desmond]

As a qualified candidate making a lateral career move, am I going to recover 
the $1000 or so in costs to take the tests? I don't know anyone that pays more 
for them short of an entry level position.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

My belief having an mcse just means that you went through the proccess and 
passed all the exams and you have a foundation. I would be the last person to 
say that just because you have an mcse you are an expert.. However for someone 
who has been in IT for years and has been working within windows environment 
passing exams should be a joke and I don't see any excuses why one shouldn't do 
it...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From: "Garcia-Moran, Carlos"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:42:27 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer what 
they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP, never 
bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't have 
learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers / my 
own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke, would 
you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once and 
I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to hire a 
more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved in the 
process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position. Well they 
hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick at. Well after 
about two months of working together and him consistently failing to do simple 
things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he would start taking the 
printer network device apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and 
drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but 
decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop 
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in the 
hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they 
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who 
have no MS certs and never will.

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can 
be an MCSE without much trouble.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Point taken,

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.
Some of us like being Sys Admins.
:)


From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Brian Desmond]

Yep and I would say that if I was hiring because I needed those things to put 
in front of customers that it'd be nice if the candidate has it, but, the 1000 
bucks it's going to cost me to pay for the tests is a small price to pay if 
it's a qualified candidate. I'd rather hire the qualified guy and pay for the 
tests than the semi qualified guy and not pay for the tests.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \ consulting 
engagement \ pre-sales meeting.  Necessary evil, in my mind.  I hate the rat 
race but I keep current as it "validates" me\my company to the untrained  
prospect.

Andy Shook
Sr. Sales Engineer
Peak 10
8910 Lenox Pointe Drive
Charlotte, NC 28273
ph: 704.264.1078 | mobile: 803-517-2168 | fax: 704.264.2010 
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From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Certs are just a piece of paper...
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 

To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Point taken,



Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question



For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

:)





From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High



People are still running the M$ cert rat race?



Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.



Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)



Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim 
[mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question



The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.





From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question



Yes.

2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[dennis_rogov2004]

My belief having an mcse just means that you went through the proccess and 
passed all the exams and you have a foundation. I would be the last person to 
say that just because you have an mcse you are an expert.. However for someone 
who has been in IT for years and has been working within windows environment 
passing exams should be a joke and I don't see any excuses why one shouldn't do 
it...
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Garcia-Moran, Carlos" 

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:42:27 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time
for a change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not
security folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams
everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that
mentality, they never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin
hell for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

___

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[David Lum]

Agreed. I'm not a "fan" of certs, but I concede that they can at minimum be a 
tie breaker. When I applied for my first admin gig it came down to me and 
another guy, and I won out on the simple fact I had a little CNA cert and the 
other guy had zip. Maybe it's years of admin experience that jades some of us, 
but at this point I feel if my resume, experience and references can't 
adequately demonstrate my abilities then the job just might be over my head 
anyhow.

Degree's - I don't have one of those either. As near as I can tell it's saved 
me from debt, but I also think I can't go any higher up the food chain w/out 
one (which actually suits me just fine :)).
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \ consulting 
engagement \ pre-sales meeting.  Necessary evil, in my mind.  I hate the rat 
race but I keep current as it "validates" me\my company to the untrained  
prospect.

Andy Shook
Sr. Sales Engineer
Peak 10
8910 Lenox Pointe Drive
Charlotte, NC 28273
ph: 704.264.1078 | mobile: 803-517-2168 | fax: 704.264.2010 
|andy.sh...@peak10.com
MANAGED HOSTING | VIRTUALIZED SERVICES | MANAGED DATA CENTER SERVICES | SAS 70 
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From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Certs are just a piece of paper...
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 

To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Point taken,



Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question



For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

:)





From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High



People are still running the M$ cert rat race?



Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.



Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)



Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim 
[mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question



The upgrade 

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Brian Desmond]

A degree says you spent 4 years of work producing something and finishing 
something. In order to get a degree you need to at least be able to read some 
requirements, write a report, and have said report be written to at least a 
mediocre standard to get yourself a C on it. That says I can give you a task 
and at least get something mediocre back which I can in turn clean up into 
something professional.

That said, I don't personally care whether anyone I interview has one or not.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost 
impossible to land a managment position

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From: "Ziots, Edward"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:41:52 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Concurr,

Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep doing it. 
The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am looking for, no 
certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only reason I can see is 
basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements to have so many certified 
people on staff to maintain status.

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Steven Peck]

Sigh.  Oh horrors.  It's yet another negative story about how awful
certifications are.  What ever shall we do

So.  I have had various certifications over the years.  I have
benefited from having them as well.  They are not now a be all end all
'justification' of expertise.  They are something that is yet another
indicator.

I use them as a validation of my study/skill-set expertise.  I have
read, practiced and understood enough to get the certification.  Now,
that may not be valuable to you which is fine, but it's a nice
indicator that not only do I think I have a good grasp of a given
product, per the vendors yardstick, they think I have a grasp of it as
well.

I have also benefited from having them.  With one job it was a choice
between me and one other.  Both of us had similar resumes and
experiences but I had the certifications and they didn't.  I got the
job.  Why?  Because I had taken the little extra effort to obtain
outside validation of my skills with, yes, that piece of paper.

We all have horror stories of people who interviewed well (with and
without the piece of paper) and turned out to be wrong in all sorts of
ways.  That is not because of a piece of paper, that was because the
hiring process was flawed.  Don't point at the piece of paper to
validate your superiority, but by the same token, don't point at a
lack of having it as one either.

To the point, I am currently updating my pieces of paper to current
levels.  Why?
To validate my understanding of new technologies.
To demonstrate (with simple metrics) enough initial competence to pass
HR screening check lists.
To have them to annoy people who 'claim they could' but for some
reason don't.  If you claim you could, then prove it or stop knocking
down the efforts of those who do bother.

Experience trumps a lot, but certifications are a tool that can, when
combined with experience, get you ahead in the game.

Steven Peck
Http://www.blkmtn.org

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Garcia-Moran, Carlos
 wrote:
> For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no longer
> what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I had an MCP,
> never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it to me. I wouldn't
> have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't learn from mentors / peers
> / my own research and reading.   Requiring an MCSE for a position is a joke,
> would you pay the person more? Salaries rarely ever go up it you take Certs.
>
>
>
> Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company once
> and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They decided to
> hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I wasn't involved
> in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants for the position.
> Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I could shake a stick
> at. Well after about two months of working together and him consistently
> failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could print and he couldn't he
> would start taking the printer network device apart since that had to be the
> problem.  I sat down and drilled him about his skills , prior to his hiring
> he was a carpenter but decided to switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a
> small company as desktop support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was
> the major factor in the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!
>
>
>
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they
> can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people
> who have no MS certs and never will.
>
>
>
> Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests
> can be an MCSE without much trouble.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
>
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
> handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
> Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my
> team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other
> vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior
> level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your
> infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix...
> As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager
> certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and
> requires involment multiple departments.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Ziots, Edward" 
> To: NT System Admin Issue

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Best reason I've heard yet for not getting a degree. :-P


From: dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost 
impossible to land a managment position

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From: "Ziots, Edward"
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:41:52 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Concurr,

Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep doing it. 
The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am looking for, no 
certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only reason I can see is 
basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements to have so many certified 
people on staff to maintain status.

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Then you ARE just like Shook...Welcome to adulthood!!!


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

I got nuthin'...

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

I'm Lum's hero, he wants to be like me when he grows up.

Shook
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bluescreen Issue

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Brian's e-mail out of context is hilarious: "Have you got a dump? I'll 
> look at it. "

  I thought it was Shook's job to take statements out-of-context.
Quit cutting in on his territory.  ;)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[dennis_rogov2004]

Hmm in that case degree is just a paper. However without a degree its almost 
impossible to land a managment position
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Ziots, Edward" 

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:41:52 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Concurr, 

 

Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep
doing it. The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am
looking for, no certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only
reason I can see is basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements
to have so many certified people on staff to maintain status. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[David Lum]

I got nuthin'...

-Original Message-
From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

I'm Lum's hero, he wants to be like me when he grows up.

Shook
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bluescreen Issue

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Brian's e-mail out of context is hilarious: "Have you got a dump? I'll look
> at it. "

  I thought it was Shook's job to take statements out-of-context.
Quit cutting in on his territory.  ;)

-- Ben

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~   ~

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~   ~




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RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Andy Shook]

But sometimes, those pieces of paper are required for an interview \ consulting 
engagement \ pre-sales meeting.  Necessary evil, in my mind.  I hate the rat 
race but I keep current as it "validates" me\my company to the untrained  
prospect.

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From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Certs are just a piece of paper...
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 

To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Point taken,



Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question



For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

:)





From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High



People are still running the M$ cert rat race?



Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.



Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)



Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..



Z



Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim 
[mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question



The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.





From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question



Yes.

2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>>



Hi all



I have a question about certifications:



I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to 
stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03 Windows







From: John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't credit 
me jack for having an 

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

For the most part I'm a firm believer that Certs and Test's are no
longer what they used to be. I've been doing IT for around 15+ years, I
had an MCP, never bothered to make it into an MCSE. It wasn't worth it
to me. I wouldn't have learned nothing taking a class that I didn't
learn from mentors / peers / my own research and reading.   Requiring an
MCSE for a position is a joke, would you pay the person more? Salaries
rarely ever go up it you take Certs.

 

Let me tell you a quick story about certs I was working for a company
once and I was the supervisor of a 5 person desktop  IT team. They
decided to hire a more senior guy once one of my team members left, I
wasn't involved in the process except for giving my bosses needs /wants
for the position. Well they hired an MCSE guy that had more certs that I
could shake a stick at. Well after about two months of working together
and him consistently failing to do simple things, like If 4 of us could
print and he couldn't he would start taking the printer network device
apart since that had to be the problem.  I sat down and drilled him
about his skills , prior to his hiring he was a carpenter but decided to
switch jobs he did a 6 month tech stint a small company as desktop
support and then took a Boot camp MCSE, which was the major factor in
the hiring process that my bosses used. He was USELESS!

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that
they can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows
people who have no MS certs and never will. 

 

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking
tests can be an MCSE without much trouble. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works
with Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire
engineers to my team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE.
As far as other vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that
each mid and senior level engineer should posses. But once again it
depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you
dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager i am
investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 

 


 

 



From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time
for a change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not
security folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

J

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams
everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that
mentality, they never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin
hell for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

 

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now
is go through the whole thing for 2008.

 

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

 

Yes.

2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 

 

Hi all 

 

I have a question about certifications:

 

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like t

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ziots, Edward]

Concurr, 

 

Both great points, that is why I said why do people continue to keep
doing it. The Cert is just a piece of paper, experience is what I am
looking for, no certificate can teach that or even measure it.. Only
reason I can see is basically due to Gold/Platinum Partner requirements
to have so many certified people on staff to maintain status. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Don Ely]

Certs are just a piece of paper...

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dennis Rogov wrote:

>  i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you
> handle. I strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with
> Windows platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my
> team for mid and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other
> vendor certs in my eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior
> level engineer should posses. But once again it depands on your
> infastructure as there is no sense to have a CCA if you dont run citrix...
> As the senior egineer and network manager i am investigating Project manager
> certification let faceit  most task you do in windows is a project and
> requires involment multiple departments.
>
>
>
>
>  --
> *From:* "Ziots, Edward" 
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
> *Subject:* RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>  Point taken,
>
>
>
> Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for
> a change…
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
> Edward E. Ziots
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
>
> Phone: 401-639-3505
>
> MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
>  --
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security
> folks, it is of little to no value.
>
> Some of us like being Sys Admins.
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
> *Importance:* High
>
>
>
> People are still running the M$ cert rat race?
>
>
>
> Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything
> 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they
> never will tho.
>
>
>
> Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
> 2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
> enhancements)
>
>
>
> Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell
> for me..
>
>
>
> Z
>
>
>
> Edward E. Ziots
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
>
> Phone: 401-639-3505
>
> MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
>  --
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: MCSE question
>
>
>
> The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is
> go through the whole thing for 2008.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: MCSE question
>
>
>
> Yes.
>
> 2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
>
>
>
> Hi all
>
>
>
> I have a question about certifications:
>
>
>
> I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs
> to stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03
> Windows
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle 
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!
>
> They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't
> credit me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or days?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> 318 North Clark Street
>
> Perry, FL 32347
>
>
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!
>
>
>
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPinoJO2Jw
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jake Gardner
>
> TTC Network Administrator
>
> Ext. 246
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource h

RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Brian Desmond]

Someone who knows what they're doing should be able to demonstrate that they 
can do that without an MCSE. I know a bunch of REALLY good Windows people who 
have no MS certs and never will.

Likewise, someone who knows pretty much nothing but is good at taking tests can 
be an MCSE without much trouble.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Dennis Rogov [mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments.





From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Point taken,

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time for a 
change...

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.
Some of us like being Sys Admins.
:)


From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.


From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

Yes.
2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>>

Hi all

I have a question about certifications:

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to 
stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03 Windows




From: John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't credit 
me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or days?







John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347



www.taylor.k12.fl.us







From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPinoJO2Jw



Thanks,



Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246









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Re: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Dennis Rogov]

i think it really depands on your IT department and the task that you handle. I 
strongly belive that for someone who has been in IT and works with Windows 
platform should have an MCSE.  When i look to hire engineers to my team for mid 
and senior admin position i require  MCSE. As far as other vendor certs in my 
eyes VCP and CCA are something that each mid and senior level engineer should 
posses. But once again it depands on your infastructure as there is no sense to 
have a CCA if you dont run citrix... As the senior egineer and network manager 
i am investigating Project manager certification let faceit  most task you do 
in windows is a project and requires involment multiple departments. 


 




From: "Ziots, Edward" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 3:57:54 PM
Subject: RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question


Point taken, 
 
Just too burnt out trying to be everyones “go-to” guy, so might be time for a 
change…
 
Z
 
Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From:Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
 
For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.
Some of us like being Sys Admins.
J
 
 
From:Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High
 
People are still running the M$ cert rat race?
 
Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE’s than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho. 
 
Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)
 
Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..
 
Z
 
Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From:Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question
 
The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.
 
 
From:Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question
 
Yes.
2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
 
Hi all 
 
I have a question about certifications:
 
I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to 
stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03 Windows
 

 



From:John Hornbuckle 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!
They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't credit 
me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or days?
 
 
 
John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
TaylorCounty School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347
 
www.taylor.k12.fl.us
 
 
 
From:Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPinoJO2Jw
 
Thanks,
 
Jake Gardner
TTC Network Administrator
Ext. 246
 
 
 
 
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Andy Shook]

I'm Lum's hero, he wants to be like me when he grows up.  

Shook
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Bluescreen Issue

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Brian's e-mail out of context is hilarious: "Have you got a dump? I'll look
> at it. "

  I thought it was Shook's job to take statements out-of-context.
Quit cutting in on his territory.  ;)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

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~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Martin Blackstone]

It's an iSCSI issue. Almost there!

-Original Message-
From: Troy Meyer [mailto:troy.me...@monacocoach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

What are you network connections labeled?  Local Area 57 and 58 ?  Could you
have removed cards/connections that have the same IP address making it tank?

You wanna borrow my NE2000 ISA adapter.  It has the BNCs AND TP.

-troy


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Did that

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Your drivers are probably corrupted.  Download them on another workstation
and sneakernet them to this server.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org  
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Ziots, Edward]

Point taken, 

 

Just too burnt out trying to be everyones "go-to" guy, so might be time
for a change...

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

 

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not
security folks, it is of little to no value.

Some of us like being Sys Admins.

:-)

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

 

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams
everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that
mentality, they never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin
hell for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

 

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now
is go through the whole thing for 2008.

 

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

 

Yes.

2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 

 

Hi all 

 

I have a question about certifications:

 

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my
certs to stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to
03 Windows

 


 



From: John Hornbuckle 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't
credit me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or
days?

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us  

 

 

 

From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPi
noJO2Jw

 

Thanks,

 

Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246

 

 

 

 

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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Bluescreen Issue

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Brian's e-mail out of context is hilarious: "Have you got a dump? I'll look
> at it. "

  I thought it was Shook's job to take statements out-of-context.
Quit cutting in on his territory.  ;)

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question

[Tim Vander Kooi]

For those into security ISC is great. For those of us who are not security 
folks, it is of little to no value.
Some of us like being Sys Admins.
:)


From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SUSPECT: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.


From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

Yes.
2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>>

Hi all

I have a question about certifications:

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to 
stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03 Windows




From: John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't credit 
me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or days?







John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347



www.taylor.k12.fl.us







From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPinoJO2Jw



Thanks,



Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246









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~   ~

RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Paul Everett]

I've looked at OfficeView's Web Work Order and posted here last week for
feedback, but didn't get any so maybe no one has used it. 

It seems pretty simple, basic and cheap.  You can host it yourself $195
or they will host it for you $240/yr.

They have a demo.

 

http://www.officeview.com/order.html




From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service



Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or
service. 1 technician/user. A dozen computers. I would prefer an online
service, and of course free, but low cost would work too. I am currently
using a few dozen spreadsheets right now.

 

 

 

 

Gene Giannamore

Abide International Inc.

Technical Support

561 1st Street West

Sonoma,Ca.95476

(707) 935-1577Office

(707) 935-9387Fax

(707) 766-4185 Cell

gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com

 


 

 


 

 

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OT Ping Mr. Zoits

[Kennedy, Jim]

Mr. Zoits, drop me an offlist email address that accepts public mail or take me 
out of your servers deny list :)



From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question
Importance: High

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams everything 2-3 
years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that mentality, they never 
will tho.

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL 2005 is 
a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8 enhancements)

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin hell for 
me..

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now is go 
through the whole thing for 2008.


From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

Yes.
2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 
mailto:dennis_rogov2...@yahoo.com>>

Hi all

I have a question about certifications:

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my certs to 
stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to 03 Windows




From: John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't credit 
me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or days?







John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347



www.taylor.k12.fl.us







From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPinoJO2Jw



Thanks,



Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246









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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: MCSE question

[Ziots, Edward]

People are still running the M$ cert rat race?

 

Rather just do ISC(2) certs and have CPE's than take the exams
everything 2-3 years. Honestly, it be really nice to see M$ adopt that
mentality, they never will tho. 

 

Only Cert in M$ I am looking to do is MCTS/MCTIP in SQL 2005/2008. (SQL
2005 is a lot of fun, once you learn it, and I am stoked about 2k8
enhancements)

 

Other than that its CISSP/SSCP/CEH/CISA/CISM and then out of sys_admin
hell for me..

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: MCSE question

 

The upgrade exams retired in March of 2008. So what you have to do now
is go through the whole thing for 2008.

 

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MCSE question

 

Yes.

2009/2/4 Dennis Rogov 

 

Hi all 

 

I have a question about certifications:

 

I am currently certified Windows 2000 MCSE and would like to renew my
certs to stay competivite in this market. Can i take the upgrade test to
03 Windows

 


 



From: John Hornbuckle 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:50:54 PM
Subject: RE: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

They pay people $10 for being exposed to 30 seconds of porn, but won't
credit me jack for having an outage that keeps me offline for hours or
days?

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us  

 

 

 

From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Comcast pays customers to watch porn!

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hh0DjqPF9rK8q1skduiPi
noJO2Jw

 

Thanks,

 

Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246

 

 

 

 

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GSXR Blog: http://www.stoof.co.uk

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Ziots, Edward]

+1

We use that here its really good..

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

-Original Message-
From: Michael Ross [mailto:mr...@itwif.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

Numara Trackit FTW

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or
service.

  RT and OTRS are both free and Free.  Both claim to run under MS
Windows, though I've never tried that.  You could set up your own
server, or Google for hosted services.

RT = http://bestpractical.com/rt/

OTRS = http://otrs.org/

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Ziots, Edward]

Can you boot into the recovery console and go into safe mode? 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email: ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone: 401-639-3505

MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Did that

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Your drivers are probably corrupted.  Download them on another
workstation and sneakernet them to this server.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it.
Whenever it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network
connections. If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue
screen. This is using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but
thought I would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org 

Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}

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> Recently Announced:  Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season
2009-2010  
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: loading network driver manually

[Miguel Gonzalez]

I answer myself...the command that I was searching for was "drvload" and you 
can use the .inf file, so you can stick an USB drive and select the inf file of 
the driver you want to load...

Nice, because I'm using a BartPE-based live cd

Miguel


--- El jue, 5/2/09, Miguel Gonzalez  escribió:

> De: Miguel Gonzalez 
> Asunto: loading network driver manually
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: jueves, 5 febrero, 2009 12:59
> Hi all,
> 
>  I'm using a Windows live cd with some network drivers
> loaded. However it is not detecting the network driver of a
> laptop. 
> 
>  I can run any shell command but I don't have the
> regular GUI of Windows. How could I load manually a network
> driver without rebuilding the ISO?
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  Miguel
> 
> 
>   
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
> resource hog! ~
> ~
> 
>  ~


  

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Sean Rector]

Your drivers are probably corrupted.  Download them on another
workstation and sneakernet them to this server.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it.
Whenever it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network
connections. If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue
screen. This is using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but
thought I would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

> 2008-2009 Season:  Tosca | The Barber of Seville
> Recently Announced:  Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season 2009-2010
Visit us online at www.vaopera.org or call 1.866.OPERA.VA

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~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[David Lum]

Brian's e-mail out of context is hilarious: "Have you got a dump? I'll look at 
it. "

Try saying just that phase to anyone at random...

Dave "yep, that's poop"


From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Making = giving

Shook

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Actually I think Im making some headway. Stand by

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Have you got a dump? I'll look at it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever it 
connects to a network, it will blue screen.
If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections. If 
I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is using 
static of DHCP.
I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I 
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.





















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Andy Shook]

Making = giving

Shook

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Actually I think Im making some headway. Stand by

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Have you got a dump? I'll look at it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever it 
connects to a network, it will blue screen.
If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections. If 
I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is using 
static of DHCP.
I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I 
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.
















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~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Troy Meyer]

What are you network connections labeled?  Local Area 57 and 58 ?  Could you 
have removed cards/connections that have the same IP address making it tank?

You wanna borrow my NE2000 ISA adapter.  It has the BNCs AND TP.

-troy


-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

Did that

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Your drivers are probably corrupted.  Download them on another workstation and 
sneakernet them to this server.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever it 
connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections. If 
I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is using 
static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I 
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org  
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}

> 2008-2009 Season:  Tosca   |  The Barber of 
> Seville  
> Recently Announced:  Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season 2009-2010 
>  
Visit us online at www.vaopera.org   or call 
1-866-OPERA-VA 



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RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Martin Blackstone]

Actually I think Im making some headway. Stand by

 

From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Have you got a dump? I'll look at it. 

 

Thanks,

Brian Desmond

br...@briandesmond.com

 

c - 312.731.3132

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Steve Kistenmacher]

There is a tool windbg that may give you more info

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb204861(VS.85).aspx#Analysis_of_a_m
inidump

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Martin Blackstone]

Did that

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Your drivers are probably corrupted.  Download them on another workstation
and sneakernet them to this server.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

 

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail:   sean.rec...@vaopera.org
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}

> 2008-2009 Season:    Tosca |
 The Barber of Seville
> Recently Announced:    Virginia Opera's
35th Anniversary Season 2009-2010
Visit us online at   www.vaopera.org or call
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RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Martin Blackstone]

Done and done

 

From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Bluescreen Issue

 

Update the driver?

Disable it and use a new nic?

 

Thanks,

 

Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246

 

 

  _  

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Brian Desmond]

Have you got a dump? I'll look at it.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever it 
connects to a network, it will blue screen.
If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections. If 
I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is using 
static of DHCP.
I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I 
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Microsoft to put us out of a job. Or not, LOL

[John P. Bonner]

Oh Man.

 

A whole new wave of spoofs and attacks via the "Fix It" button.

 



From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Microsoft to put us out of a job. Or not, LOL

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10157210-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesAr
ea.1

 

Customer: "Hey my machine is slow"

Microsoft: "Click the 'Fix it' button and Windows will be removed an
Linux will be installed"

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Microsoft to put us out of a job. Or not, LOL

[David Lum]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10157210-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1

Customer: "Hey my machine is slow"
Microsoft: "Click the 'Fix it' button and Windows will be removed an Linux will 
be installed"
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Bluescreen Issue

[Jake Gardner]

Update the driver?
Disable it and use a new nic?
 
Thanks,
 
Jake Gardner
TTC Network Administrator
Ext. 246
 



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Bluescreen Issue



I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it.
Whenever it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network
connections. If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue
screen. This is using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but
thought I would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.


 

 


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Bluescreen Issue

[Martin Blackstone]

I have an older Dell 1650 in my lab that has Intel XT cards in it. Whenever
it connects to a network, it will blue screen.

If I boot it connected it will blue screen on preparing network connections.
If I boot without network and then plug in it will blue screen. This is
using static of DHCP.

I'm sort of at a loss here. I'm pretty close to flattening it, but thought I
would toss this out and see if anyone has an idea.


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~   ~

RE: Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?

[Troy Meyer]

Pretty sure kerbtray cant be scripted since its interactive from the desktop.

Try using WMI and the Win32_LogonSession class.  It looks like there is a 
logontype property that will give you that info.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394189(VS.85).aspx


-troy

-Original Message-
From: Devin Meade [mailto:devin.me...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?

kerbtray - I don't know if it can be scripted.  
 
hth Devin


On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stephen Wimberly  
wrote:


I have a script that I want to run, but only when the user login was 
cached.
Is there a way to tell whether the current user login was cached or 
verified
by a domain controller?

I _thought_ I'd use the %logonserver% variable, but apparently it shows 
the
domain controller that last authenticated the user even when the current
login was cached.

Most scripts I've seen ping a server that is only available on the LAN 
and
look for the reply.  In this case though I don't care if they are on 
LAN or
not, I care if they are cached or not.


I found a script that looks through the event log for "Last cache 
login" and
displays the date/time, but it doesn't effectively tell me what my 
current
login is.

Anyone know a way to tell?  I know the XP firewall has settings for a 
domain
profile, is it using a domain profile for all cached logins?

Thanks In Advance for pointers!



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~





-- 
Devin


 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?

[Devin Meade]

kerbtray - I don't know if it can be scripted.

hth Devin

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Stephen Wimberly wrote:

> I have a script that I want to run, but only when the user login was
> cached.
> Is there a way to tell whether the current user login was cached or
> verified
> by a domain controller?
>
> I _thought_ I'd use the %logonserver% variable, but apparently it shows the
> domain controller that last authenticated the user even when the current
> login was cached.
>
> Most scripts I've seen ping a server that is only available on the LAN and
> look for the reply.  In this case though I don't care if they are on LAN or
> not, I care if they are cached or not.
>
>
> I found a script that looks through the event log for "Last cache login"
> and
> displays the date/time, but it doesn't effectively tell me what my current
> login is.
>
> Anyone know a way to tell?  I know the XP firewall has settings for a
> domain
> profile, is it using a domain profile for all cached logins?
>
> Thanks In Advance for pointers!
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>



-- 
Devin

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~   ~

Re: Force group membership

[Klint Price - ArizonaITPro]

James,

I use a very restrictive default policy, and then open it up for special 
AD groups to gain additional access


exec
managers
sales floor reps
IT

etc, etc



James Rankin wrote:
Is there any way I can force all user accounts to be a member of a 
certain AD group? I have several levels of WebSense groups and I want 
to make sure that all user accounts always belong to at least one of 
them. Can this be done through Group Policy?


 

 



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~   ~

loading network driver manually

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Hi all,

 I'm using a Windows live cd with some network drivers loaded. However it is 
not detecting the network driver of a laptop. 

 I can run any shell command but I don't have the regular GUI of Windows. How 
could I load manually a network driver without rebuilding the ISO?

 Thanks,

 Miguel


  

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RE: Install Application on Terminal Server Tool

[Doige, Clayton]

Found it (duh)

 

From: Doige, Clayton [mailto:clayton.do...@cme-net.com] 
Sent: 05 February 2009 17:34
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Install Application on Terminal Server Tool

 

Windows 2008:

 

The instructions for installing applications reference either using
switches to put apps into execute mode, or use the Install Application
on Terminal Server tool under programs in control panel.

 

Ok, so is this then programs and features? And if so, should that tool
be displayed in there by default or is there something required to
enable it?

 

I have basically installed every role I could find to do with terminal
services, as this is a test/learning bed at the moment

 

Any help is greatly appreciated

 

 

 

Clayton Doige

IT Project Manager

CME Development Corporation

T: 020 7430 5355

M: 07949 255062

E:clayton.do...@cme-net.com

W:www.cetv-net.com

 


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Install Application on Terminal Server Tool

[Doige, Clayton]

Windows 2008:

 

The instructions for installing applications reference either using
switches to put apps into execute mode, or use the Install Application
on Terminal Server tool under programs in control panel.

 

Ok, so is this then programs and features? And if so, should that tool
be displayed in there by default or is there something required to
enable it?

 

I have basically installed every role I could find to do with terminal
services, as this is a test/learning bed at the moment

 

Any help is greatly appreciated

 

 

 

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IT Project Manager

CME Development Corporation

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M: 07949 255062

E:clayton.do...@cme-net.com  

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RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Roger Wright]

Tech+Center makes submitting tickets a breeze for users.

   

Roger Wright
Network Administrator
Evatone, Inc.
727.572.7076  x388
_  

-Original Message-
From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

Well, its really only for me. Maybe an email address for trouble
tickets, might be used by the users, but I doubt they would try anything
else.




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185 Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com

-Original Message-
From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

I passed by the message - I'm using Spiceworks here.  Of course, the
users invariably refuse to use the helpdesk portion...



Sean Rector, MCSE



From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service



Surprised that no one mentioned Spiceworks.



Thanks,



Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

Ext. 246







From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or
service. 1 technician/user. A dozen computers. I would prefer an online
service, and of course free, but low cost would work too. I am currently
using a few dozen spreadsheets right now.









Gene Giannamore

Abide International Inc.

Technical Support

561 1st Street West

Sonoma,Ca.95476

(707) 935-1577Office

(707) 935-9387Fax

(707) 766-4185 Cell

gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com















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Scripting: How to tell if login was cached or domain?

[Stephen Wimberly]

I have a script that I want to run, but only when the user login was cached.
Is there a way to tell whether the current user login was cached or verified
by a domain controller?

I _thought_ I'd use the %logonserver% variable, but apparently it shows the
domain controller that last authenticated the user even when the current
login was cached.

Most scripts I've seen ping a server that is only available on the LAN and
look for the reply.  In this case though I don't care if they are on LAN or
not, I care if they are cached or not.


I found a script that looks through the event log for "Last cache login" and
displays the date/time, but it doesn't effectively tell me what my current
login is.

Anyone know a way to tell?  I know the XP firewall has settings for a domain
profile, is it using a domain profile for all cached logins?

Thanks In Advance for pointers!



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Backup Software

[Neil Standley]

Ultrabac

 

 

 

Neil

 

From: Jeb Barger [mailto:j...@rev-x.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

 

I like commvault..

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Cameron Cooper 
wrote:

Currently we are running Symantec BackUp Exec 12 in our environment , at
one site with removable hard drives and with tapes at another site.  Was
wondering if there is another product that is better than BackUp Exec
and see what others thought about them.

 

---___

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Gene Giannamore]

Well, its really only for me. Maybe an email address for trouble tickets, might 
be used by the users, but I doubt they would try anything else.




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185 Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com

-Original Message-
From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

I passed by the message - I'm using Spiceworks here.  Of course, the users 
invariably refuse to use the helpdesk portion...



Sean Rector, MCSE



From: Jake Gardner [mailto:jgard...@ttcdas.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service



Surprised that no one mentioned Spiceworks.



Thanks,



Jake Gardner

TTC Network Administrator

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From: Gene Giannamore [mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or service. 1 
technician/user. A dozen computers. I would prefer an online service, and of 
course free, but low cost would work too. I am currently using a few dozen 
spreadsheets right now.









Gene Giannamore

Abide International Inc.

Technical Support

561 1st Street West

Sonoma,Ca.95476

(707) 935-1577Office

(707) 935-9387Fax

(707) 766-4185 Cell

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RE: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Michael Ross]

Numara Trackit FTW

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or
service.

  RT and OTRS are both free and Free.  Both claim to run under MS
Windows, though I've never tried that.  You could set up your own
server, or Google for hosted services.

RT = http://bestpractical.com/rt/

OTRS = http://otrs.org/

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RE: Duel booting Vista and XP

[Terry Dickson]

+2

-Original Message-
From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Duel booting Vista and XP

+1

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Duel booting Vista and XP

 

Plan B would be to install Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 (free), and install  a VM 
with whichever OS not currently on your PC. I a PC with Vista, but have XP 
virtualized for the times I need that. You could run vice-versa too (and at 
another job I do just that as my main box is XP with Vista virtualized...).

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Duel booting Vista and XP

 

This question popped up a few days ago on a gaming forum that I'm a member of.  
My response was wait for Windows 7, and a few posts later I got a 'ditto' 
quoting my response from someone that shall remain anonymous, nameless and 
totally unknown that works at Microsoft.  

On another note, I have a Dell laptop that has never run IE6 correctly (clean 
install & half the time it crashes so I gave up on it), and we can't upgrade to 
IE7 because of production applications that are not approved for use with IE7.  
Fortunately, since the last version of Firefox w/IE Tabs add-on, I've not had 
an issue with web-sites not working.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:51 AM,  wrote:

Greetings!

As my workstation (Dell PWS 390) has never been able to run IE correctly,
I fear I must soon scrub the system drive and do a scratch install.

The system drive is 80 Gb.  I just happen to have an unused copy of Vista
Business.  If I wanted do split the drive 40/40 and choose to boot it to
Vista or to XP, can I just install Vista first, then XP, and an MS boot
manager lets me choose?

OR, is some sort of boot management app necessary to do this?

OR, does it matter which OS gets installed first?

Thanks!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


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Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org  
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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Re: basic help desk or issue tracking software/service

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> Looking for a simple/basic help desk or issue tracking software or service.

  RT and OTRS are both free and Free.  Both claim to run under MS
Windows, though I've never tried that.  You could set up your own
server, or Google for hosted services.

RT = http://bestpractical.com/rt/

OTRS = http://otrs.org/

-- Ben

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