RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Carl Houseman]

Looks like you need practice using it, and the practice will answer your
question (assuming you have multiple WLANs defined on your own machine).

 

Be aware, there are situations where it doesn't work - if vendor software,
e.g. Intel Proset, is used to configure wireless, it doesn't help with
those.  I've also had it fail to reveal the key when it should (the key was
empty or garbage).  Never figured that one out.

 

Carl

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

Okay thanks I will pull it and take it with me and just walk away if I don't
feel comfortable with the situation.  Do you know if it will pull all of the
different WLANs they have on the machine or just the one currently in use?

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Carl Houseman  wrote:

Well, you're running out of choices to solve this then.  Wirelesskeyview can
run off a USB drive - no 'installation' neeed.  All you need is 30 seconds
access to a working wireless computer.  Short of that, you pretty much have
no solution that's acceptable to both you and your client.

 

Carl

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:23 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool 

 

That was what I suggested but they said that was not an option.  Why I don't
know why and until I get to the client tomorrow I will not know why they are
insisting on doing it this way.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset and
reconfigure the router. 



Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___ 






On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: OT: VMware remediation

[Harry Singh]

Vsphere aka esx 4 here: Update manager with regard to patching hosts
works well so far. I stage patches during the day, vmotion guests, re
mediate , rinse repeat per server.

On 2/5/10, Steven Peck  wrote:
> Yes you can choose the baseline you wish to to run remediation against.
>
> So, the update manager is really cool.. except it's stupid.  If
> for any reason some server doesn't want to migrate it will just error
> out.  What we have found faster is to migrate guests off the target
> server first, then set it in maintenance mode and remdiate it.  Does
> update manager work?  Yes.  Is it stupid about issues?  Yes.
>
> Generally we do it some evening from home while remoted in to work and
> watching a movie or gaming.  about every 20-30 minutes have to do
> something.  We found it was faster for us.
>
> You should go with VMware 4.  It has the ability to 'pre-stage' the
> patches on the ESX hosts which is most of your time when patching.
> Get everything prestaged from work during the day, then get the rest
> done from home.
>
> Frankly we'd be just as happy to patch vmware during the day but the
> 'business' freaks at that thought.
>
> Steven
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Michael Leone  wrote:
>> Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
>> installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
>> created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
>> vCenter, it all Just Worked.
>>
>> So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
>> all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
>> major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
>> filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
>> servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
>> remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
>> 5 upgrade.
>> (I want to do this in stages, obviously)
>>
>> When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
>> baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
>> are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
>> attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).
>>
>> Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
>> all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
>> VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
>> maintenance mode, first?
>>
>> Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
>> VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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Re: OT: VMware remediation

[Steven Peck]

Yes you can choose the baseline you wish to to run remediation against.

So, the update manager is really cool.. except it's stupid.  If
for any reason some server doesn't want to migrate it will just error
out.  What we have found faster is to migrate guests off the target
server first, then set it in maintenance mode and remdiate it.  Does
update manager work?  Yes.  Is it stupid about issues?  Yes.

Generally we do it some evening from home while remoted in to work and
watching a movie or gaming.  about every 20-30 minutes have to do
something.  We found it was faster for us.

You should go with VMware 4.  It has the ability to 'pre-stage' the
patches on the ESX hosts which is most of your time when patching.
Get everything prestaged from work during the day, then get the rest
done from home.

Frankly we'd be just as happy to patch vmware during the day but the
'business' freaks at that thought.

Steven

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Michael Leone  wrote:
> Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
> installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
> created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
> vCenter, it all Just Worked.
>
> So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
> all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
> major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
> filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
> servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
> remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
> 5 upgrade.
> (I want to do this in stages, obviously)
>
> When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
> baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
> are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
> attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).
>
> Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
> all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
> VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
> maintenance mode, first?
>
> Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
> VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Sam Cayze]

I believe this tool will  work without installing it.  I've used it
before when switching user's machines (Because they never know their
home router's key - and it avoids them calling me a night to help them
re-connect to their home wifi).

 

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_key.html

 

Sam Cayze
Information Technology Administrator
ROLLOUTS
ONSITE * ON DEMAND

LinkedIn Profile  
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From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I guess I will find out on Saturday.  Too be honest all I have been told
at this point was customer does not want to reset the router and needs
to add another device to the router.  I don't want to touch existing
machines if possible due to the lack of information.  I am not real
comfortable with people I don't know.  The company I am working for on
this told me they are a new customer for them and can give me no other
information.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

Is the issue an unknown wireless encryption key or an unknown admin
password for the router? 



Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___





On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

I guess I will find out on Saturday.  Too be honest all I have been told at
this point was customer does not want to reset the router and needs to add
another device to the router.  I don't want to touch existing machines if
possible due to the lack of information.  I am not real comfortable with
people I don't know.  The company I am working for on this told me they are
a new customer for them and can give me no other information.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

> Is the issue an unknown wireless encryption key or an unknown admin
> password for the router?
>
>
> Die dulci fruere!
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
>> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
>> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
>> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
>> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
>> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
>> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
>> the air if possible and get this job done.
>>
>> Home users what do you expect?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Roger Wright]

Is the issue an unknown wireless encryption key or an unknown admin password
for the router?


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Laptop batteries

[Phillip Partipilo]

Another option, tear the battery apart, and see if it has circuitry to keep all 
the cells balanced (instead of just blindly stringing them together and praying 
they stay matched).  If so, rebuild it , they usually use 18650 cells.

 
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
 
 

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 5:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries



Heh... even Provantage had 3 different batteries, including the OEM. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

Personally, I would have gone with Provantage and a name brand
battery. But that's just me.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:38, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee 100% 
> compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J Well see. 
> Hopefully it wasnt a bad decision.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Laptop batteries
>
>
>
> From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies 
> battery seems to last longer. I try not to purchase from the company though 
> as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich  
> wrote:
>
> Ok. Im down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much less 
> expensive, although its not an HP battery. Provantage has several, including 
> a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an HP battery? 
> Doesnt HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap an HP label on 
> em and mark em up 50% anyway?
>
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>
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RE: Laptop batteries

[John Aldrich]

Heh... even Provantage had 3 different batteries, including the OEM. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

Personally, I would have gone with Provantage and a name brand
battery. But that's just me.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:38, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee 100% 
> compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J Well see. 
> Hopefully it wasnt a bad decision.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Laptop batteries
>
>
>
> From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies 
> battery seems to last longer. I try not to purchase from the company though 
> as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich  
> wrote:
>
> Ok. Im down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much less 
> expensive, although its not an HP battery. Provantage has several, including 
> a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an HP battery? 
> Doesnt HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap an HP label on 
> em and mark em up 50% anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~   ~



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Re: Laptop batteries

[Kurt Buff]

Personally, I would have gone with Provantage and a name brand
battery. But that's just me.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:38, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee 100% 
> compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J We’ll see. 
> Hopefully it wasn’t a bad decision.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Laptop batteries
>
>
>
> From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies 
> battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though 
> as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich  
> wrote:
>
> Ok. I’m down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much less 
> expensive, although it’s not an HP battery. Provantage has several, including 
> a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an HP battery? 
> Doesn’t HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap an HP label on 
> ‘em and mark ‘em up 50% anyway?
>
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RE: R: Home PC imaging

[John Aldrich]

'Course that assumes you *can* get online. :-) The Windows 7 machine I was
working on wouldn't get on-line. Fortunately the combination of MBAM and
Vipre Rescue nuked whatever had got into it.




-Original Message-
From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: R: Home PC imaging


In addition to MalwareBytes, try running an online scan from ESET -
http://www.eset.com/onlinescan/. 

It may save you from having to reload.  


Michael Walker
Senior Network Engineer
Citrus Valley Health Partners


-Original Message-
From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [SPAM] R: Home PC imaging

Storagecraft Shadowprotect or Norton Ghost 


GuidoElia
HELPPC

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Inviato: giovedì 4 febbraio 2010 19.43
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Home PC imaging

I need to rebuild my wife's PC this weekend, as she has managed to get the
Antivirus Live malware.  I've cleaned it probably half a dozen times, and it
keeps coming back, so there's obviously something hidden somewhere that
Malwarebytes isn't finding.  I'd like to image her PC afterwards, so that
if/when I rebuild it again, it won't take me all day.  I know open source
imaging stuff has been discussed here before, but what would you guys
recommend that I use for this simple task?

Thanks in advance,

Joe


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RE: R: Home PC imaging

[Walker, Michael]

In addition to MalwareBytes, try running an online scan from ESET - 
http://www.eset.com/onlinescan/. 

It may save you from having to reload.  


Michael Walker
Senior Network Engineer
Citrus Valley Health Partners


-Original Message-
From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [SPAM] R: Home PC imaging

Storagecraft Shadowprotect or Norton Ghost 


GuidoElia
HELPPC

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Inviato: giovedì 4 febbraio 2010 19.43
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Home PC imaging

I need to rebuild my wife's PC this weekend, as she has managed to get the 
Antivirus Live malware.  I've cleaned it probably half a dozen times, and it 
keeps coming back, so there's obviously something hidden somewhere that 
Malwarebytes isn't finding.  I'd like to image her PC afterwards, so that 
if/when I rebuild it again, it won't take me all day.  I know open source 
imaging stuff has been discussed here before, but what would you guys recommend 
that I use for this simple task?

Thanks in advance,

Joe


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  ~

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RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[John Aldrich]

*shrug* It works for us. :-) Granted, we will be relocating our website once
the new one is ready to go and eventually, host our own email. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Cpanel installs with a self-signed cert to get the isp up for testing. They
are supposed to replace it with a real one.

Sounds like "ETC Advanced Technology" isn't very advanced.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Self-signed cert, as I believe is standard for CPANEL machines.




-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

The ISP isn't using a valid cert? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> It's not OUR server. :-) Our ISP is hosting email for us and it's a 
> shared
server.
> Obviously once we have our own server and bring email in-house, we'll 
> probably want to do that. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are 
> all cleartext otherwise.
> 
> Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've 
> clicked through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c - 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least 
> > one
> user, so
> > I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted
> root".
> > Same as with any certificate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at 
> > home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set 
> > several of
> them
> > up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for 
> > Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently 
> > accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to 
> > permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do 
> > I get
> the
> > bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> >   ~
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> >   ~
> >
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
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> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[Michael B. Smith]

Cpanel installs with a self-signed cert to get the isp up for testing. They are 
supposed to replace it with a real one.

Sounds like "ETC Advanced Technology" isn't very advanced.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Self-signed cert, as I believe is standard for CPANEL machines.




-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

The ISP isn't using a valid cert? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> It's not OUR server. :-) Our ISP is hosting email for us and it's a 
> shared
server.
> Obviously once we have our own server and bring email in-house, we'll 
> probably want to do that. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are 
> all cleartext otherwise.
> 
> Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've 
> clicked through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c - 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least 
> > one
> user, so
> > I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted
> root".
> > Same as with any certificate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at 
> > home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set 
> > several of
> them
> > up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for 
> > Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently 
> > accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to 
> > permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do 
> > I get
> the
> > bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> >   ~
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> >   ~
> >
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: VMware remediation

[Damien Solodow]

You can capture your virtual switch, vlan and uplink config to a file with 
this: 'esxcfg-vswitch -l > /root/vswitch.txt'
Your vmkernel nic config will be 'esxcfg-vmknic -l > /root/vmknic.txt'
Your service consoles would be 'esxcfg-vswif -l > /root/service_console.txt'

Those files can't be imported to re-create your config, but they'll tell you 
what you need to recreate the settings either via the GUI or the CLI.

If your datastores are on Fibre Channel, a simple rescan for stores should turn 
them up. For iSCSI or NAS you may have to check one of the other boxes.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VMware remediation

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Damien Solodow
 wrote:
> Yep, it should work the way you intend.
> What I would do though is make sure to scan the hosts against that
> baseline first.

Yep; did that. I attached all the standard baselines, and also my own,
to each ESX host, and then scanned each ESX host.

> Then when you do the remediate, it will say what patches
> it will install so you can uncheck any extras.

Excellent! Seems like I'm (almost) all set to go. Still need to figure
out how to back up the ESX host configuration, just in case. I back up
all VMs using the Networker client, and I backup a flat file copy of
the vCenter DBs; however, the individual ESX host configs (NICs,
VLANs, datastores, etc) aren't being backed up (yet).

>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:34 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: VMware remediation
>
> Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
> installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
> created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
> vCenter, it all Just Worked.
>
> So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
> all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
> major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
> filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
> servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
> remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
> 5 upgrade.
> (I want to do this in stages, obviously)
>
> When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
> baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
> are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
> attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).
>
> Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
> all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
> VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
> maintenance mode, first?
>
> Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
> VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[John Aldrich]

Self-signed cert, as I believe is standard for CPANEL machines.




-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

The ISP isn't using a valid cert? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> It's not OUR server. :-) Our ISP is hosting email for us and it's a shared
server.
> Obviously once we have our own server and bring email in-house, we'll
> probably want to do that. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are all
> cleartext otherwise.
> 
> Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've
> clicked through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c - 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least one
> user, so
> > I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted
> root".
> > Same as with any certificate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at
> > home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several
> > of
> them
> > up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for
> > Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently
> > accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to
> > permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I
> > get
> the
> > bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[Brian Desmond]

The ISP isn't using a valid cert? 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> It's not OUR server. :-) Our ISP is hosting email for us and it's a shared 
> server.
> Obviously once we have our own server and bring email in-house, we'll
> probably want to do that. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are all
> cleartext otherwise.
> 
> Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've
> clicked through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
> 
> c - 312.731.3132
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least one
> user, so
> > I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted
> root".
> > Same as with any certificate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> > Consultant and Exchange MVP
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >
> > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> >
> > Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at
> > home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several
> > of
> them
> > up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for
> > Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently
> > accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to
> > permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I
> > get
> the
> > bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> >   ~
> >
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[John Aldrich]

It's not OUR server. :-) Our ISP is hosting email for us and it's a shared
server. Obviously once we have our own server and bring email in-house,
we'll probably want to do that. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are all
cleartext otherwise.

Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've
clicked through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least one
user, so
> I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted
root".
> Same as with any certificate.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at
> home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several of
them
> up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for
> Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently
> accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to
> permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I get
the
> bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: VMware remediation

[Michael Leone]

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Damien Solodow
 wrote:
> Yep, it should work the way you intend.
> What I would do though is make sure to scan the hosts against that
> baseline first.

Yep; did that. I attached all the standard baselines, and also my own,
to each ESX host, and then scanned each ESX host.

> Then when you do the remediate, it will say what patches
> it will install so you can uncheck any extras.

Excellent! Seems like I'm (almost) all set to go. Still need to figure
out how to back up the ESX host configuration, just in case. I back up
all VMs using the Networker client, and I backup a flat file copy of
the vCenter DBs; however, the individual ESX host configs (NICs,
VLANs, datastores, etc) aren't being backed up (yet).

>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:34 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: VMware remediation
>
> Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
> installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
> created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
> vCenter, it all Just Worked.
>
> So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
> all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
> major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
> filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
> servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
> remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
> 5 upgrade.
> (I want to do this in stages, obviously)
>
> When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
> baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
> are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
> attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).
>
> Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
> all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
> VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
> maintenance mode, first?
>
> Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
> VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[Brian Desmond]

They should really all be using secure SMTP given the passwords are all 
cleartext otherwise.

Why not buy a real cert? They're like 20 bucks on GoDaddy once you've clicked 
through beer, wings, strippers, race cars, etc. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least one user, so
> I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted root".
> Same as with any certificate.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7
> 
> Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at
> home where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several of them
> up using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for
> Outlook and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently
> accept the certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to
> permanently accept the certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I get the
> bleeping Outlook to permanently store this cert and accept it forever?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
> 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: VMware remediation

[Damien Solodow]

Yep, it should work the way you intend.
What I would do though is make sure to scan the hosts against that
baseline first. Then when you do the remediate, it will say what patches
it will install so you can uncheck any extras.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Leone [mailto:oozerd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: VMware remediation

Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
vCenter, it all Just Worked.

So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
5 upgrade.
(I want to do this in stages, obviously)

When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).

Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
maintenance mode, first?

Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)

Thanks for any help

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: setting up a website

[Rod Trent]

I've dealt with this stuff for years and you lost me...

Site numbers?  Are you talking about a dedicated IP address versus a shared
server hosting?  I *believe* you're also wanting to know about DNS (i.e.,
how to tie the dedicated IP to your actual domain name).  Is this correct?


From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:dholst...@nbm.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: setting up a website

When I switched from Cox to Fios here in Northern Virginia I lost the
website I hosted and played around with. It took 10 calls, but someone
finally told me they blocked that port. So I hosted the site out. It's only
a hundred bucks a year or so. My 16-year-old son likes all this speed we now
have, I am finding out that youngsters only vaguely use websites like this.
Our Fios speed is 25 up & down

Is web-closing standard so I don't have too much traffic? I own my last name
domain, and it's time to switch and I just wondered if there was a way
around this. I know I can set up sites using direct site numbers and such.
But I wanted to make it so I could set it up so the seeker wouldn't have to
know anything different than the last name. I get e-mail with no problem.

Just curious. I have hosted many sites, but never had this to deal with.
 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

OT: VMware remediation

[Michael Leone]

Sorry for all the OTs. I've finally got my VMware Update Manager
installed and working. My problem before was with the SQL user I had
created for the VUM DB. Once I used the "sa" login, like I did for
vCenter, it all Just Worked.

So what I want is to upgrade my ESX hosts from Update 4 to 5. I want
all 10 to be at Update 5, then I'll install all the fixes since that
major update release. So what I did was create a new baseline, that
filter out everything except Update 5, and attached that to all my ESX
servers. The instructions are a bit confusing to me - I want to
remediate *just* that new baseline, so all that happens is the Update
5 upgrade.
(I want to do this in stages, obviously)

When I go to remediate each ESX server, can I choose just that new
baseline I created, as the source of the remediation? Even if there
are multiple baselines attached? (I have the standard baselines also
attached, for when I do the post-Update 5 patches).

Since I have HA and DRS enabled, the remediation should migrate off
all my VMs; upgrade my ESX server; reboot it (if necessary); and put
VMs back on. I think. Or do I have to manuualy put the ESX servers in
maintenance mode, first?

Sorry for the nervous newbie question. But when it comes to updating
VMware .. .well, I *am* a nervous newbie. :-)

Thanks for any help

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: setting up a website

[Michael B. Smith]

Many carriers differentiate between business and personal use. And they 
consider "hosting" to be business use.

GoDaddy is something ridiculously cheap like $4.50 a month. (I prepay annually 
and my cost is less than $4 a month.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:dholst...@nbm.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: setting up a website

When I switched from Cox to Fios here in Northern Virginia I lost the website I 
hosted and played around with. It took 10 calls, but someone finally told me 
they blocked that port. So I hosted the site out. It's only a hundred bucks a 
year or so. My 16-year-old son likes all this speed we now have, I am finding 
out that youngsters only vaguely use websites like this. Our Fios speed is 25 
up & down

Is web-closing standard so I don't have too much traffic? I own my last name 
domain, and it's time to switch and I just wondered if there was a way around 
this. I know I can set up sites using direct site numbers and such. But I 
wanted to make it so I could set it up so the seeker wouldn't have to know 
anything different than the last name. I get e-mail with no problem.

Just curious. I have hosted many sites, but never had this to deal with.
 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[John Aldrich]

Thanks... that's what worked for me, but didn't work for at least one user,
so I switched her back to standard SMTP. Strange... Oh, well.. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted root".
Same as with any certificate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at home
where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several of them up
using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for Outlook
and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently accept the
certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to permanently accept the
certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I get the bleeping Outlook to
permanently store this cert and accept it forever?

Thanks!



 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

setting up a website

[Holstrom, Don]

When I switched from Cox to Fios here in Northern Virginia I lost the website I 
hosted and played around with. It took 10 calls, but someone finally told me 
they blocked that port. So I hosted the site out. It's only a hundred bucks a 
year or so. My 16-year-old son likes all this speed we now have, I am finding 
out that youngsters only vaguely use websites like this. Our Fios speed is 25 
up & down

Is web-closing standard so I don't have too much traffic? I own my last name 
domain, and it's time to switch and I just wondered if there was a way around 
this. I know I can set up sites using direct site numbers and such. But I 
wanted to make it so I could set it up so the seeker wouldn't have to know 
anything different than the last name. I get e-mail with no problem.

Just curious. I have hosted many sites, but never had this to deal with...

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Don Guyer]

Agreed. I went through this with Citrix at my last company.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

Just don't aim for short-term ROI on something like that. It's not until you 
pass the 3-4 year mark that it will pay off in most instances. 

 
-ASB: http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker
Sent from my Verizon Smartphone



From: "Don Guyer"  

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:22:44 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

This is exactly what we are piloting right now, as we already had the back-end 
to support the VMWare solution.

 

We are looking to replace about 700 fat clients (eventually) with WYSE 
terminals within the next few years, if this goes through.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

---

Scott Wilhelm

Computer Technician

Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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RE: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[Michael B. Smith]

Import it into their local certificate store, including the "trusted root". 
Same as with any certificate.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at home where 
their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several of them up using 
SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for Outlook and I seem 
to have managed to get my computer to permanently accept the certificate, but 
some of the computers don't seem to permanently accept the certificate 
(self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I get the bleeping Outlook to permanently 
store this cert and accept it forever?

Thanks!



 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is there a better database options?

[John Aldrich]

Not a list, per se. However, there is a forum and tech support is always
happy to help you out via email. Heck, I've even had one case where I didn't
submit a ticket, but I still got contacted by support from discussing things
in this list. J They are VERY proactive in helping you with your problems.
As I said, most of their discussions happen in a web forum, not an email
list, but that's not really a problem. Also, Sunbelt will be happy to hook
you up with a 30 day trial of Vipre Enterprise so you can test it out "live"
before you commit to purchasing.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Marty Nelson [mailto:mnel...@transdyn.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is
there a better database options?

 

Thank you everyone for the suggestions.  It sounds like Vipre may be the way
to go, and I thank Roger for the info on it.  I'm really hoping that we can
get away from Symantec.  I'm just praying that the foul taste that I HATE
SPAM left is something management can get past so that we can go with
another Sunbelt product.  

 

I assume that there's a list like this for Vipre?  I guess it would help if
I took a look for myself.!

 

As far as Forefront, what Jon's saying sounds like a damn good reason not to
go with it.  If you need a full copy of sql for Forefront to work l is a
HUIGE let down.  It also a shame that is sounds like it doesn't necessarily
play well with other open source SQL servers or I'd imagine that Jon would
have gone that route.  

 

Again thank you all for the suggestions, and if there are more out there
keep them coming!

 

Thank you all so much,

 

-Marty

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is
there a better database options?

 

It also does not have all the "pieces" needed for ForeFront.  Been there
done that and like I said the bite hurt.  There is a new version coming out
but I am not keeping track of it's status at this time.  I would be looking
at it if I was still in that job.

 

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Express limits db size to 4GB.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:48 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is
there a better database options?

 

I am not going to suggest what to buy but I will tell you YOU MUST HAVE A
FULL COPY OF SQL for ForeFront to work.  Make no mistakes about that.  I got
burned bad by that "little" fact.  I will let others make suggestions and I
will not say nay to any of them except to say yes get away from Symantec.

 

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Marty Nelson  wrote:

Greetings and salutations everyone!  Let me apologize in advance for such a
long e-mail, I didn't intend for it to go on and on and on.x

 

Here's the deal.  Our Symantec agreement is up for renewal here in a little
bit and we are looking at possible alternatives.  One package that I am
particularly interested in is Microsoft's Forefront.  Normally I would
cringe at buying something like this from Microsoft, but after my experience
with Security Essentials (which has been GREAT BTW); I thought that looking
at their enterprise solution may not be a bad idea so I wanted to see what
everyone here thinks.   

 

The one thing I haven't yet figured out (as I'm not a great DB man) is that
they sell Forefront with MS SQL (locked down so it only works with
Forefront, at least that's how I read it) or without it.  Now the way they
phrase things indicates that MS SQL is needed in one way or another, and I
was wondering if that was really true.  Is it possible to use and open
source database?  Is anyone here running Forefront?  Is so, what's your
database solution? 

 

And if not MS's Forefront, then where else should I be looking?  I know a
while back EOD32 was a favorite, is that still the case?  We've been stuck
with Symantec for ~10 years now and with the bloat and stability of their
programs I would really like to get away from them if there's a viable
alternative out there.

 

Thanks so much,

 

-Marty Nelson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

How to permanently accept cert in OL2K7

[John Aldrich]

Some of my users are mobile and want to use their company laptops at home
where their ISP blocks port 25. For this reason, I've set several of them up
using SSL SMTP in Outlook. I read some "how-to" documentation for Outlook
and I seem to have managed to get my computer to permanently accept the
certificate, but some of the computers don't seem to permanently accept the
certificate (self-signed CPanel cert.) How do I get the bleeping Outlook to
permanently store this cert and accept it forever?

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is there a better database options?

[David Mazzaccaro]

Sunbelt doesn't host a Vipre mailing list (like this one and the
Exchange one).
They've moved to an online forum:
http://supportforums.sunbeltsoftware.com/categories.aspx?catid=27&enterc
at=y
 
 



From: Marty Nelson [mailto:mnel...@transdyn.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront?
Is there a better database options?



Thank you everyone for the suggestions.  It sounds like Vipre may be the
way to go, and I thank Roger for the info on it.  I'm really hoping that
we can get away from Symantec.  I'm just praying that the foul taste
that I HATE SPAM left is something management can get past so that we
can go with another Sunbelt product.  

 

I assume that there's a list like this for Vipre?  I guess it would help
if I took a look for myself...!

 

As far as Forefront, what Jon's saying sounds like a damn good reason
not to go with it.  If you need a full copy of sql for Forefront to work
l is a HUIGE let down.  It also a shame that is sounds like it doesn't
necessarily play well with other open source SQL servers or I'd imagine
that Jon would have gone that route.  

 

Again thank you all for the suggestions, and if there are more out there
keep them coming!

 

Thank you all so much,

 

-Marty

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront?
Is there a better database options?

 

It also does not have all the "pieces" needed for ForeFront.  Been there
done that and like I said the bite hurt.  There is a new version coming
out but I am not keeping track of it's status at this time.  I would be
looking at it if I was still in that job.

 

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Express limits db size to 4GB.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:48 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront?
Is there a better database options?

 

I am not going to suggest what to buy but I will tell you YOU MUST HAVE
A FULL COPY OF SQL for ForeFront to work.  Make no mistakes about that.
I got burned bad by that "little" fact.  I will let others make
suggestions and I will not say nay to any of them except to say yes get
away from Symantec.

 

Jon

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Marty Nelson 
wrote:

Greetings and salutations everyone!  Let me apologize in advance for
such a long e-mail, I didn't intend for it to go on and on and on...x

 

Here's the deal.  Our Symantec agreement is up for renewal here in a
little bit and we are looking at possible alternatives.  One package
that I am particularly interested in is Microsoft's Forefront.  Normally
I would cringe at buying something like this from Microsoft, but after
my experience with Security Essentials (which has been GREAT BTW); I
thought that looking at their enterprise solution may not be a bad idea
so I wanted to see what everyone here thinks.   

 

The one thing I haven't yet figured out (as I'm not a great DB man) is
that they sell Forefront with MS SQL (locked down so it only works with
Forefront, at least that's how I read it) or without it.  Now the way
they phrase things indicates that MS SQL is needed in one way or
another, and I was wondering if that was really true.  Is it possible to
use and open source database?  Is anyone here running Forefront?  Is so,
what's your database solution? 

 

And if not MS's Forefront, then where else should I be looking?  I know
a while back EOD32 was a favorite, is that still the case?  We've been
stuck with Symantec for ~10 years now and with the bloat and stability
of their programs I would really like to get away from them if there's a
viable alternative out there.

 

Thanks so much,

 

-Marty Nelson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Laptop batteries

[David Mazzaccaro]

LOL
True.  And that alone usually goes a LONG way!
 
 



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries



Well, someone else here suggested that site, so I have to assume there's
at least ONE satisfied customer on this list. J

 

  

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries

 

While they said "100% compatibility", yes it will FIT in the laptop, but
that doesn't mean the battery will hold a charge.

So it's good that they also said "meet or exceed original specs" - Can
you let us know how it holds up after a few weeks?

 

Hopefully it works out, and maybe I'll have a new reliable source for
batteries!

:)

 

 

 



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries

Well, I'm already here, and on the company clock, so it doesn't really
matter if I take a few minutes to find a better deal. J With me being
salaried, it kind of makes sense to me to try and save the company as
much money as is reasonably possible. Of course there's a tradeoff of
quality versus money saved, but I'm hoping this is going to turn out to
be a good deal.

 



 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

Yes, but did you negate the cost savings from the purchase by the amount
of time you spent?

I have a bit of a different calculus, in that my time can also be billed
to clients, but if it is going to take an hour or more to accumulate
data and evaluate least cost choices on sub $100 purchases, I've wasted
money (where time=money).

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:

Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J
We'll see. Hopefully it wasn't a bad decision.

 



 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company
though as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers
do.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get
an HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and
slap an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


.

 

 

 

 


.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is there a better database options?

[Marty Nelson]

Thank you everyone for the suggestions.  It sounds like Vipre may be the way to 
go, and I thank Roger for the info on it.  I'm really hoping that we can get 
away from Symantec.  I'm just praying that the foul taste that I HATE SPAM left 
is something management can get past so that we can go with another Sunbelt 
product.

I assume that there's a list like this for Vipre?  I guess it would help if I 
took a look for myself...!

As far as Forefront, what Jon's saying sounds like a damn good reason not to go 
with it.  If you need a full copy of sql for Forefront to work l is a HUIGE let 
down.  It also a shame that is sounds like it doesn't necessarily play well 
with other open source SQL servers or I'd imagine that Jon would have gone that 
route.

Again thank you all for the suggestions, and if there are more out there keep 
them coming!

Thank you all so much,

-Marty

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is there 
a better database options?

It also does not have all the "pieces" needed for ForeFront.  Been there done 
that and like I said the bite hurt.  There is a new version coming out but I am 
not keeping track of it's status at this time.  I would be looking at it if I 
was still in that job.

Jon
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Express limits db size to 4GB.

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 6:48 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Moving away from Symantec, how 'bout Microsoft Forefront? Is there 
a better database options?

I am not going to suggest what to buy but I will tell you YOU MUST HAVE A FULL 
COPY OF SQL for ForeFront to work.  Make no mistakes about that.  I got burned 
bad by that "little" fact.  I will let others make suggestions and I will not 
say nay to any of them except to say yes get away from Symantec.

Jon
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Marty Nelson 
mailto:mnel...@transdyn.com>> wrote:
Greetings and salutations everyone!  Let me apologize in advance for such a 
long e-mail, I didn't intend for it to go on and on and on...x

Here's the deal.  Our Symantec agreement is up for renewal here in a little bit 
and we are looking at possible alternatives.  One package that I am 
particularly interested in is Microsoft's Forefront.  Normally I would cringe 
at buying something like this from Microsoft, but after my experience with 
Security Essentials (which has been GREAT BTW); I thought that looking at their 
enterprise solution may not be a bad idea so I wanted to see what everyone here 
thinks.

The one thing I haven't yet figured out (as I'm not a great DB man) is that 
they sell Forefront with MS SQL (locked down so it only works with Forefront, 
at least that's how I read it) or without it.  Now the way they phrase things 
indicates that MS SQL is needed in one way or another, and I was wondering if 
that was really true.  Is it possible to use and open source database?  Is 
anyone here running Forefront?  Is so, what's your database solution?

And if not MS's Forefront, then where else should I be looking?  I know a while 
back EOD32 was a favorite, is that still the case?  We've been stuck with 
Symantec for ~10 years now and with the bloat and stability of their programs I 
would really like to get away from them if there's a viable alternative out 
there.

Thanks so much,

-Marty Nelson






















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Laptop batteries

[John Aldrich]

Well, someone else here suggested that site, so I have to assume there's at
least ONE satisfied customer on this list. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries

 

While they said "100% compatibility", yes it will FIT in the laptop, but
that doesn't mean the battery will hold a charge.

So it's good that they also said "meet or exceed original specs" - Can you
let us know how it holds up after a few weeks?

 

Hopefully it works out, and maybe I'll have a new reliable source for
batteries!

:)

 

 

 

  _  

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries

Well, I'm already here, and on the company clock, so it doesn't really
matter if I take a few minutes to find a better deal. J With me being
salaried, it kind of makes sense to me to try and save the company as much
money as is reasonably possible. Of course there's a tradeoff of quality
versus money saved, but I'm hoping this is going to turn out to be a good
deal.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

Yes, but did you negate the cost savings from the purchase by the amount of
time you spent?

I have a bit of a different calculus, in that my time can also be billed to
clients, but if it is going to take an hour or more to accumulate data and
evaluate least cost choices on sub $100 purchases, I've wasted money (where
time=money).

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J
We'll see. Hopefully it wasn't a bad decision.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though
as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


.

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Laptop batteries

[David Mazzaccaro]

While they said "100% compatibility", yes it will FIT in the laptop, but
that doesn't mean the battery will hold a charge.
So it's good that they also said "meet or exceed original specs" - Can
you let us know how it holds up after a few weeks?
 
Hopefully it works out, and maybe I'll have a new reliable source for
batteries!
:)
 
 



From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop batteries



Well, I'm already here, and on the company clock, so it doesn't really
matter if I take a few minutes to find a better deal. J With me being
salaried, it kind of makes sense to me to try and save the company as
much money as is reasonably possible. Of course there's a tradeoff of
quality versus money saved, but I'm hoping this is going to turn out to
be a good deal.

 

  

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

Yes, but did you negate the cost savings from the purchase by the amount
of time you spent?

I have a bit of a different calculus, in that my time can also be billed
to clients, but if it is going to take an hour or more to accumulate
data and evaluate least cost choices on sub $100 purchases, I've wasted
money (where time=money).

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:

Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J
We'll see. Hopefully it wasn't a bad decision.

 



 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company
though as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers
do.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get
an HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and
slap an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: User 2.0

[blazer682]

Saw on MIL channel the other day, longest confirmed kill in Afghanastan, 2640 
meters, .50 cal.
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff 
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 09:29:41 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: User 2.0

My eyes aren't that good any more.

Speaking of that, however, 2009-07-04 a new world record was set for
.50cal competition at 1000 yards. 1.955" group of 5 shots. That's
.1868 MOA.

http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/index.php

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 09:07, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Way too close guy way too close.  Move it out to a mile and have real fun.
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
>> with User 2.0.
>>
>> Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.
>>
>> Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
>> > Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>> >
>> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>> >
>> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
>> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
>> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Laptop batteries

[John Aldrich]

Well, I'm already here, and on the company clock, so it doesn't really
matter if I take a few minutes to find a better deal. J With me being
salaried, it kind of makes sense to me to try and save the company as much
money as is reasonably possible. Of course there's a tradeoff of quality
versus money saved, but I'm hoping this is going to turn out to be a good
deal.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

Yes, but did you negate the cost savings from the purchase by the amount of
time you spent?

I have a bit of a different calculus, in that my time can also be billed to
clients, but if it is going to take an hour or more to accumulate data and
evaluate least cost choices on sub $100 purchases, I've wasted money (where
time=money).

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J
We'll see. Hopefully it wasn't a bad decision.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though
as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: Laptop batteries

[Jonathan Link]

Yes, but did you negate the cost savings from the purchase by the amount of
time you spent?
I have a bit of a different calculus, in that my time can also be billed to
clients, but if it is going to take an hour or more to accumulate data and
evaluate least cost choices on sub $100 purchases, I've wasted money (where
time=money).

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
> 100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. JWe’ll 
> see. Hopefully it wasn’t a bad decision.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Laptop batteries
>
>
>
> From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
> battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though
> as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
>
> Ok. I’m down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
> less expensive, although it’s not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
> including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
> HP battery? Doesn’t HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
> an HP label on ‘em and mark ‘em up 50% anyway?
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

Nope, company I work with that only does home or one man offices offered it
to me with them paying me to do the work.  I get paid if I show up but I am
not going to do something illegal.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Is this a new client from Craigslist?!
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
>> That was the second thing on the list.  The first was looking at a
>> driver's license to verify they lived there.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Damien Solodow <
>> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>   I think before doing anything you should ask to see the WAP/router.
>>> Make sure it’s actually on premise and not the guy next door. ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:15 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker
>>> tool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client.
>>>
>>> There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to
>>> give you information about the sessions, but you still would not have admin
>>> access to the router.
>>>
>>> I wonder why they oppose the reset?
>>>
>>>
>>> -ASB: http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker
>>> Sent from my Verizon Smartphone
>>>  --
>>>
>>> *From: *Jon Harris 
>>>
>>> *Date: *Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 -0500
>>>
>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker
>>> tool
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to stay off their working machine(s). Lets just say I don't
>>> trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine. They are
>>> a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities. Getting them
>>> access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a tool
>>> on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow <
>>> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
>>> nice utility called wirelesskeyview that will tell you what key that PC is
>>> using.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>>>
>>>I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless
>>> router. I have been told that they need to add another device to the
>>> wireless router. I was also told that resetting the password was not an
>>> option. What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
>>> software to any of their machines? I saw a list but without any real
>>> knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just get
>>> the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.
>>>
>>> Home users what do you expect?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

That was number 3 on the list.  I have a gut feeling that this may have been
setup by a company for them to access their office and they are wanting to
add personal devices to the "company" network.  I have setup a couple of
those in my time and would really have hated to have personal devices
connecting if the router was set to VPN to the network.  As it was I always
setup the laptop to do the VPN work not the router.  My sister in NJ had one
where the router handled the VPN.  They had to deal with any and all issues
as well as pay for the ISP.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client.
>
> There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to
> give you information about the sessions, but you still would not have admin
> access to the router.
>
> I wonder why they oppose the reset?
>
>
> -ASB: http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker
> Sent from my Verizon Smartphone
> --
> *From: *Jon Harris 
> *Date: *Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 -0500
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>  *Subject: *Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker
> tool
>
>  I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't
> trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.  They
> are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.  Getting
> them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a
> tool on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.
>
> Jon
>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow <
> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>
>>   If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is
>> a nice utility called “wirelesskeyview” that will tell you what key that PC
>> is using.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
>> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
>> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
>> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
>> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
>> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
>> the air if possible and get this job done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Home users what do you expect?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Laptop batteries

[John Aldrich]

Well, I decided to save $30 and go through BatteryEdge as they guarantee
100% compatibility with the laptop and meet or exceed original specs. J
We'll see. Hopefully it wasn't a bad decision.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Laptop batteries

 

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though
as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jonathan Link]

Is this a new client from Craigslist?!

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> That was the second thing on the list.  The first was looking at a driver's
> license to verify they lived there.
>
> Jon
>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Damien Solodow <
> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>
>>   I think before doing anything you should ask to see the WAP/router.
>> Make sure it’s actually on premise and not the guy next door. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:15 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker
>> tool
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client.
>>
>> There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to
>> give you information about the sessions, but you still would not have admin
>> access to the router.
>>
>> I wonder why they oppose the reset?
>>
>>
>> -ASB: http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker
>> Sent from my Verizon Smartphone
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *Jon Harris 
>>
>> *Date: *Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 -0500
>>
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker
>> tool
>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to stay off their working machine(s). Lets just say I don't
>> trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine. They are
>> a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities. Getting them
>> access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a tool
>> on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow <
>> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>>
>> If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
>> nice utility called wirelesskeyview that will tell you what key that PC is
>> using.
>>
>> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>>
>>   I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
>> I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
>> router. I was also told that resetting the password was not an option. What
>> is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any
>> of their machines? I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
>> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
>> the air if possible and get this job done.
>>
>> Home users what do you expect?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

That was the second thing on the list.  The first was looking at a driver's
license to verify they lived there.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Damien Solodow
wrote:

>  I think before doing anything you should ask to see the WAP/router. Make
> sure it’s actually on premise and not the guy next door. ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:15 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client.
>
> There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to
> give you information about the sessions, but you still would not have admin
> access to the router.
>
> I wonder why they oppose the reset?
>
>
> -ASB: http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker
> Sent from my Verizon Smartphone
>  --
>
> *From: *Jon Harris 
>
> *Date: *Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 -0500
>
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject: *Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I am trying to stay off their working machine(s). Lets just say I don't
> trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine. They are
> a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities. Getting them
> access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a tool
> on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow <
> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>
> If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
> nice utility called wirelesskeyview that will tell you what key that PC is
> using.
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>   I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
> I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
> router. I was also told that resetting the password was not an option. What
> is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any
> of their machines? I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

Okay thanks I will pull it and take it with me and just walk away if I don't
feel comfortable with the situation.  Do you know if it will pull all of the
different WLANs they have on the machine or just the one currently in use?

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Carl Houseman  wrote:

>  Well, you're running out of choices to solve this then.  Wirelesskeyview
> can run off a USB drive – no 'installation' neeed.  All you need is 30
> seconds access to a working wireless computer.  Short of that, you pretty
> much have no solution that's acceptable to both you and your client.
>
>
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:23 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> That was what I suggested but they said that was not an option.  Why I
> don't know why and until I get to the client tomorrow I will not know why
> they are insisting on doing it this way.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:
>
> If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset and
> reconfigure the router.
>
>
>
> Die dulci fruere!
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
>
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Damien Solodow]

I think before doing anything you should ask to see the WAP/router. Make
sure it's actually on premise and not the guy next door. ;)

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client. 

There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to
give you information about the sessions, but you still would not have
admin access to the router. 

I wonder why they oppose the reset?


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From: Jon Harris  

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 -0500

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I am trying to stay off their working machine(s). Lets just say I don't
trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine. They
are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.
Getting them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't
want to put a tool on there and find out later they used it to get
access to other wlans.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow
 wrote:

If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is
a nice utility called wirelesskeyview that will tell you what key that
PC is using.

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router. I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines? I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.

Home users what do you expect?

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Laptop batteries

[Jon Harris]

>From personal experience I found that where possible using the companies
battery seems to last longer.  I try not to purchase from the company though
as they seem to price the same battery higher than the resellers do.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  Ok. I’m down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
> less expensive, although it’s not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
> including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
> HP battery? Doesn’t HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
> an HP label on ‘em and mark ‘em up 50% anyway?
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~   ~<><>

Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well said.   This is a big picture implementation.  The dividends do actually 
pile up.  

 
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-Original Message-
From: "Martin Blackstone" 
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:29:50 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

That’s not necessarily true.

First off you don’t have to invest in terminals off the bat. You can certainly 
use your existing PC’s as the terminal and replace them as you upgrade.

Second and this huge in an educational environment is the central management of 
the computers.

For example.

With staff you could use a persistent image. Every time they log on they get 
their regular desktop. But if they blow it up or hork it, a couple of clicks 
and they have a “new” computer.

Students, which are notorious for screwing with computers could have 
non-persistent desktops for labs, etc. Every time they log off, the OS is 
reloaded from scratch. Their data (docs, etc) remains, but they get a fresh OS. 
Every bit of crap they did to the PC is gone and they are brand new again. 
Imagine the load that takes off an already taxed K12 IT staff.

The cost savings in man hours alone can be huge.

 

Many folks get stuck looking at the upfront costs and don’t look at the long 
term savings in man hours and user downtime. You have a user today that goes 
down,  how long does it take to get them back up? If you are really good, an 
hour? How about a couple of minutes or less? How much money are you saving now?

 

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

---

Scott Wilhelm

Computer Technician

Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Andrew S. Baker]

Just don't aim for short-term ROI on something like that.  It's not until you 
pass the 3-4 year mark that it will pay off in most instances. 

 
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-Original Message-
From: "Don Guyer" 
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 10:22:44 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

This is exactly what we are piloting right now, as we already had the back-end 
to support the VMWare solution.

 

We are looking to replace about 700 fat clients (eventually) with WYSE 
terminals within the next few years, if this goes through.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

---

Scott Wilhelm

Computer Technician

Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Andrew S. Baker]

I'd be quite reluctant to do this for a new client. 

There are several network based tools you could run from your laptop to give 
you information about the sessions, but you still would not have admin access 
to the router. 

I wonder why they oppose the reset?

 
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 Sent from my Verizon Smartphone

-Original Message-
From: Jon Harris 
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 13:04:29 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't
trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.  They
are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.  Getting
them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a
tool on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow  wrote:

>  If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
> nice utility called “wirelesskeyview” that will tell you what key that PC is
> using.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
>
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Carl Houseman]

Well, you're running out of choices to solve this then.  Wirelesskeyview can
run off a USB drive - no 'installation' neeed.  All you need is 30 seconds
access to a working wireless computer.  Short of that, you pretty much have
no solution that's acceptable to both you and your client.

 

Carl

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

That was what I suggested but they said that was not an option.  Why I don't
know why and until I get to the client tomorrow I will not know why they are
insisting on doing it this way.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset and
reconfigure the router. 



Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___ 







On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

Like I said new client and I have know idea of anything until I get there.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

>  You may already know this but just in case.
>
> Do they have any vista or win 7 machines currently using the wap?
>
> If so, you can find the current key from wireless network properties.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
>
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

I will add to this that if it looks to be too questionable I can always back
out but I would prefer to do the job their way if possible.  I will be able
to use a laptop I would be bringing.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  That was what I suggested but they said that was not an option.  Why I
> don't know why and until I get to the client tomorrow I will not know why
> they are insisting on doing it this way.
>
> Jon
>
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:
>
>> If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset
>> and reconfigure the router.
>>
>>
>> Die dulci fruere!
>>
>> Roger Wright
>> ___
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
>>> I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
>>> router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
>>> What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to
>>> any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what
>>> I am walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code
>>> from the air if possible and get this job done.
>>>
>>> Home users what do you expect?
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Glen Johnson]

You may already know this but just in case.

Do they have any vista or win 7 machines currently using the wap?

If so, you can find the current key from wireless network properties.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Laptop batteries

[John Aldrich]

Ok. I'm down to either Provantage or Batteryedge.com. The latter is much
less expensive, although it's not an HP battery. Provantage has several,
including a brand-name HP battery. Is it worth an extra $30 or so to get an
HP battery? Doesn't HP just buy their batteries from someone else and slap
an HP label on 'em and mark 'em up 50% anyway?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

That was what I suggested but they said that was not an option.  Why I don't
know why and until I get to the client tomorrow I will not know why they are
insisting on doing it this way.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

> If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset and
> reconfigure the router.
>
>
> Die dulci fruere!
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
>> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
>> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
>> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
>> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
>> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
>> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
>> the air if possible and get this job done.
>>
>> Home users what do you expect?
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

Yeah I understood that but would rather not touch their working machines.
Since I have not seen these machine(s) I don't know who set them up or if
they are theirs or company machines that the company came out and setup.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Damien Solodow
wrote:

>  I want to make sure we’re on the same page.
>
> The utility I’m referring to doesn’t have to be put on their machine (it
> runs fine from a flash drive) and doesn’t really fall under the category of
> hacking tool as it doesn’t give them access they don’t already have.
>
>
>
> If their machine can currently connect to that wireless network, it has the
> SSID and key stored on the machine. All the utility does is display that
> information so you can read the key.
>
> If that’s not the route you want to look at, you will need to look at
> something like AirSnort or Netstumbler.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 1:04 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't
> trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.  They
> are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.  Getting
> them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a
> tool on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow <
> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>
> If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
> nice utility called “wirelesskeyview” that will tell you what key that PC is
> using.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
>
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Peter van Houten]

The key is not transmitted by the router, so you can't just grab it.

If the device is using WEP encryption, there are several Linux-based
tools that will help you acquire the key using various techniques
including packet injection (with the correct wireless card). If you are
up against WPA/WPA2 or Radius-based (highly unlikely) encryption, you
are in for a very long haul.

--
Peter van Houten

On the 05/02/2010 19:57, Jon Harris wrote the following:

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.
Home users what do you expect?
Jon


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Roger Wright]

If the network is small enough, it may less effort and expense to reset and
reconfigure the router.


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Miguel Gonzalez]

Before making assumptions, you should look first on their website:

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/wireless_key.html

>From what I read over there It means it only retrieves the information stored 
>on your profiles locally, not a wireless cracking password tool

Miguel

--- El vie, 5/2/10, Jon Harris  escribió:

De: Jon Harris 
Asunto: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: viernes, 5 de febrero, 2010 13:04

I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't trust 
them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.  They are a new 
client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.  Getting them access 
while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a tool on there 
and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.

 
Jon


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow  
wrote:




If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a nice 
utility called “wirelesskeyview” that will tell you what key that PC is using.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I have 
been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.  I was 
also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a good tool 
to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of their 
machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am walking 
into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from the air if 
possible and get this job done.


 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon
  
 
 



 

 



  
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Damien Solodow]

I want to make sure we're on the same page.

The utility I'm referring to doesn't have to be put on their machine (it
runs fine from a flash drive) and doesn't really fall under the category
of hacking tool as it doesn't give them access they don't already have.

 

If their machine can currently connect to that wireless network, it has
the SSID and key stored on the machine. All the utility does is display
that information so you can read the key.

If that's not the route you want to look at, you will need to look at
something like AirSnort or Netstumbler.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't
trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.
They are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.
Getting them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't
want to put a tool on there and find out later they used it to get
access to other wlans.

 

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow
 wrote:

If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is
a nice utility called "wirelesskeyview" that will tell you what key that
PC is using.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

I am trying to stay off their working machine(s).  Lets just say I don't
trust them enough to put any kind of hacking tool on their machine.  They
are a new client and I have no idea of their morals or abilities.  Getting
them access while at their house for them is fine but I don't want to put a
tool on there and find out later they used it to get access to other wlans.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Damien Solodow  wrote:

>  If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is a
> nice utility called “wirelesskeyview” that will tell you what key that PC is
> using.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool
>
>
>
> I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
> have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
> I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
> good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
> their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
> walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
> the air if possible and get this job done.
>
>
>
> Home users what do you expect?
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Damien Solodow]

If they have a Windows PC that currently talks to the network, there is
a nice utility called "wirelesskeyview" that will tell you what key that
PC is using.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

 

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.
I have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless
router.  I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.
What is a good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any
software to any of their machines?  I saw a list but without any real
knowledge of what I am walking into at the moment I would like to just
get the wireless code from the air if possible and get this job done.

 

Home users what do you expect?

 

Jon

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

OT ? need a recommendation for an wlan password hacker tool

[Jon Harris]

I have a client that has lost their password for their wireless router.  I
have been told that they need to add another device to the wireless router.
I was also told that resetting the password was not an option.  What is a
good tool to hack the wlan without actually adding any software to any of
their machines?  I saw a list but without any real knowledge of what I am
walking into at the moment I would like to just get the wireless code from
the air if possible and get this job done.

Home users what do you expect?

Jon

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: laptop battery purchase

[Charles Whitby]

There's always eBay.  For one for my Thinkpad at a real good price.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  What’s a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users
> has an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max
> and would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place
> had it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I’d like to
> get it from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: User 2.0

[Jon Harris]

Sorry all that should have been marked as OT.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> Mine either but you would be amazed at what the right scope would allow you
> to do.  I used to work with some people (in my youth) that competed at 600
> yards with open sights using antique style weapons and ammo.  They were
> about 10 to 15 years older than me.  One was still competing last I heard
> but not as the shooter.
>
> Jon
>
>   On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> My eyes aren't that good any more.
>>
>> Speaking of that, however, 2009-07-04 a new world record was set for
>> .50cal competition at 1000 yards. 1.955" group of 5 shots. That's
>> .1868 MOA.
>>
>> http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/index.php
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 09:07, Jon Harris  wrote:
>> > Way too close guy way too close.  Move it out to a mile and have real
>> fun.
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
>> >> with User 2.0.
>> >>
>> >> Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?
>> >>
>> >> Sorry.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
>> >> > Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>> >> >
>> >> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
>> >> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
>> >> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: User 2.0

[Jon Harris]

Mine either but you would be amazed at what the right scope would allow you
to do.  I used to work with some people (in my youth) that competed at 600
yards with open sights using antique style weapons and ammo.  They were
about 10 to 15 years older than me.  One was still competing last I heard
but not as the shooter.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> My eyes aren't that good any more.
>
> Speaking of that, however, 2009-07-04 a new world record was set for
> .50cal competition at 1000 yards. 1.955" group of 5 shots. That's
> .1868 MOA.
>
> http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/index.php
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 09:07, Jon Harris  wrote:
> > Way too close guy way too close.  Move it out to a mile and have real
> fun.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
> >> with User 2.0.
> >>
> >> Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.
> >>
> >> Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?
> >>
> >> Sorry.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
> >> > Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
> >> >
> >> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
> >> >
> >> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> >> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> >> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: User 2.0

[Kurt Buff]

My eyes aren't that good any more.

Speaking of that, however, 2009-07-04 a new world record was set for
.50cal competition at 1000 yards. 1.955" group of 5 shots. That's
.1868 MOA.

http://www.fcsa.org/wwwroot/index.php

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 09:07, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Way too close guy way too close.  Move it out to a mile and have real fun.
>
> Jon
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
>> with User 2.0.
>>
>> Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.
>>
>> Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?
>>
>> Sorry.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
>> > Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>> >
>> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>> >
>> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
>> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
>> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: OT: laptop battery purchase

[Kurt Buff]

Try provantage.com

They might not have the very best price, but they are usually in the
right ballpark, and they are reliable. The almost always, for
instance, beat CDW, and usually by a fair amount.

Kurt

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 07:30, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
> What’s a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has an 
> HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and 
> would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had it 
> for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I’d like to get it from 
> a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: User 2.0

[Jon Harris]

Way too close guy way too close.  Move it out to a mile and have real fun.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
> with User 2.0.
>
> Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.
>
> Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?
>
> Sorry.
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
> > Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
> >
> > http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
> >
> > David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> > NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> > (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: User 2.0

[Jon Harris]

Several on this list have been saying defense in depth for years.  Hard
outsides and soft insides only means hackers need the break one layer and it
does not protect from insiders doing more damage than the hackers would do.
Personally I would like to make all resources managed or monitored including
printers sitting on the desk next to the user.  USB drives would be banded
and entry to a machine would be by multi-part authenication including a
card, biometrics, and long password.  That said try to get that in an
education environment or a small business.  It will not happen and they are
the ones that most likely need it the most.  Both of those groups will have
users from 0.1 to 2.5 working there.

Jon

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  M guess is 1.9 J
>
>
>
> My big takeaway:
>
> “*We have to start managing and protecting the data rather than
> concentrating all our efforts on the perimeter. The pentesters amongst you
> know that a large percentage of companies have a hard crunchy outside and a
> soft squishy centre.  **If we manage and protect the data then what is
> used to access or manipulate the data becomes less important*.”
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 6:43 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: User 2.0
>
>
>
> Or maybe I'm just security 1.9?
>
> On 2/5/2010 9:26 AM, James Kerr wrote:
>
> On 2/5/2010 9:17 AM, David Lum wrote:
>
> Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Seems like it was written by a User 2.0!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: WOL cost savings

[Free, Bob]

The energystar folks at the US EPA who brought us the power settings GPO
assistance also have a savings calculator spreadsheet. I'm not sure of
its merits but thought I'd pass it along.

 

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/power_mgt/LowCarbonITSavingsCalc_v
26_with_5_0v2.xls

 

 

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: WOL cost savings

 

Has anyone put something together to show management in regards to the
possible ROI of using WOL? I'm more interested in getting some solid
numbers on the savings per PC per month. I'm not really sure where to go
in order to get these kinds of numbers. I've seen some general stuff out
there that range between $25-$75/year per PC. But not how that was
calculated.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

 

 

 



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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Joe Artz]

The University of Minnesota is piloting with Citrix for a VDI solution this 
semester.  To settle on Citrix we, set up test environments of Microsoft, 
VMWare, and Citrix and compared them.  We ruled out Microsoft RDS due to poor 
Mac support so it was basically between Citrix and VMWare.  Between those two 
we really liked how Citrix delivered a rich desktop to the user over as little 
as a 3G connection and better Mac support than VMWare.  We are heavily invested 
in VMWare for our server virtualization but when we compared VMWare and Citrix 
side by side for our VDI infrastructure, Citrix is just more mature and 
extensible.  It also doesn’t care what hypervisor you use, be it Microsoft, 
VMWare, or XenServer.  Also, if you have campus agreement with Microsoft, 
Citrix has some educational pricing that can build on that.  And no matter what 
you do for VDI, you’ll have to purchase the VECD license from Microsoft.

 

We don’t expect to see immediate cost savings, but as we extend the life of 
computers and replace them with thin clients our ROI looks decent.  A big push 
for us was security and keep private data and processing off laptops as people 
travel around.  We also are looking to provide 24/7 access to our faculty and 
students the all the software we can (but that all depends on licensing).

 

Our pilot implementation, will be on the VMWare hyper-visor, with Citrix on the 
presentation level and streaming apps to the virtual desktops with App-V.

 

Thanks!

 

Joe

 

From: bounce-8814411-8243...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[mailto:bounce-8814411-8243...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Guyer
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

What we plan on doing is rolling out a small number of thin clients and change 
some of the fat-clients to boot right into the VD image, until they are 
replaced as well.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We lock our students and employees down so tight that it’s virtually (no pun 
intended) impossible for them to butcher the OS.

 

But I get where you’re coming from.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

That’s not necessarily true.

First off you don’t have to invest in terminals off the bat. You can certainly 
use your existing PC’s as the terminal and replace them as you upgrade.

Second and this huge in an educational environment is the central management of 
the computers.

For example.

With staff you could use a persistent image. Every time they log on they get 
their regular desktop. But if they blow it up or hork it, a couple of clicks 
and they have a “new” computer.

Students, which are notorious for screwing with computers could have 
non-persistent desktops for labs, etc. Every time they log off, the OS is 
reloaded from scratch. Their data (docs, etc) remains, but they get a fresh OS. 
Every bit of crap they did to the PC is gone and they are brand new again. 
Imagine the load that takes off an already taxed K12 IT staff.

The cost savings in man hours alone can be huge.

 

Many folks get stuck looking at the upfront costs and don’t look at the long 
term savings in man hours and user downtime. You have a user today that goes 
down,  how long does it take to get them back up? If you are really good, an 
hour? How about a couple of minutes or less? How much money are you saving now?

 

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, 

Re: User 2.0

[Kurt Buff]

I saw this recently. It's cool technology, and I'm dead certain it's
not the answer.

I think whitelisting is the only real answer - default deny, and only
allow what's determined to be needed for the business.

Anything else is whistling past the graveyard.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 07:31, Martin Blackstone  wrote:
> Take a look at Palo Alto Networks.
>
> It’s time to stop blocking IP’s and ports and start looking at the
> application level.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:17 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: User 2.0
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

R: laptop battery purchase

[HELP_PC]

sorry battery-locator.com
 
GuidoElia
HELPPC
 

  _  

Da: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 5 febbraio 2010 17.27
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: RE: laptop battery purchase



That site is not coming up for me... 404-compliant. L Ok. I found it with a bit 
of searching. The site, for anyone else who's looking is battery-locator.com

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: laptop battery purchase

 

batterylocator.com

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 

  _  

Da: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 5 febbraio 2010 16.30
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: OT: laptop battery purchase

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has an 
HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and would 
like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had it for 
under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it from a 
place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: OT: laptop battery purchase

[Jonathan Link]

The vendor, in this case, HP.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM, John Aldrich
wrote:

>  What’s a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users
> has an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max
> and would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place
> had it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I’d like to
> get it from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: laptop battery purchase

[John Aldrich]

That site is not coming up for me… 404-compliant. L Ok. I found it with a
bit of searching. The site, for anyone else who’s looking is
battery-locator.com

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: laptop battery purchase

 

batterylocator.com

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 

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Da: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 5 febbraio 2010 16.30
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: OT: laptop battery purchase

What’s a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has
an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and
would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had
it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I’d like to get it
from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Can you try this for me? Outlook 2003

[Andrew S. Baker]

Both parties get the reminder at the time specified.  If none is specified then 
I believe the defaults for each party are honored. 

--Original Message--
From: Jimmy Tran
To: NT Issues
ReplyTo: NT Issues
Subject: RE: Can you try this for me? Outlook 2003
Sent: Feb 5, 2010 11:18 AM

I have had plenty of people send me meeting request and I get do get a reminder.

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Can you try this for me? Outlook 2003

Can someone help me test something? 

Can you create an invite in your calendar in Outlook 2003, set a reminder for 
it, and then invite a colleague, does the colleague get a pop up reminder at 
the time you specify, or only you ?

We have people here reporting that if they create an appointment, invite 
someone, only the sender sees the reminder, not the invitee. 

Olly


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RE: Can you try this for me? Outlook 2003

[Jimmy Tran]

I have had plenty of people send me meeting request and I get do get a reminder.

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Can you try this for me? Outlook 2003

Can someone help me test something? 

Can you create an invite in your calendar in Outlook 2003, set a reminder for 
it, and then invite a colleague, does the colleague get a pop up reminder at 
the time you specify, or only you ?

We have people here reporting that if they create an appointment, invite 
someone, only the sender sees the reminder, not the invitee. 

Olly


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~   ~

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~   ~

RE: laptop battery purchase

[John Aldrich]

Well, Pacific Batteries didn't show anything for an HP Pavilion DV8000
series laptop, but Battery Edge has one for about what the Amazon resellers
were wanting. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: laptop battery purchase

 

I've used Pacific Batteries as well and liked them.

Just stay legit. If you have an HP laptop, buy an HP battery. Not some 3rd
party and aftermarket brand.

Yes, batteries are expensive, but that's life in the mobile workforce.

We are all laptops at Trace3 and I buy a lot of batteries and I only buy
Lenovo brand.

 

From: Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: laptop battery purchase

 

I use Pacific Batteries or Battery Edge, my laptops are all DELL.

Todd

 

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From: David Coffey [mailto:dcof...@sllboces.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: laptop battery purchase

Check out Priority Electronics as well.  Have had good luck with Dell
replacement batteries and HDs.

Dave

- Original Message - 

From: John Aldrich   

To: NT System Admin Issues   

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM

Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase

 

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has
an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and
would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had
it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it
from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

R: laptop battery purchase

[HELP_PC]

batterylocator.com
 
GuidoElia
HELPPC
 

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Da: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 5 febbraio 2010 16.30
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: OT: laptop battery purchase



What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has an 
HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and would 
like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had it for 
under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it from a 
place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 


 


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~   ~<><>

RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Don Guyer]

What we plan on doing is rolling out a small number of thin clients and change 
some of the fat-clients to boot right into the VD image, until they are 
replaced as well.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We lock our students and employees down so tight that it’s virtually (no pun 
intended) impossible for them to butcher the OS.

 

But I get where you’re coming from.

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

That’s not necessarily true.

First off you don’t have to invest in terminals off the bat. You can certainly 
use your existing PC’s as the terminal and replace them as you upgrade.

Second and this huge in an educational environment is the central management of 
the computers.

For example.

With staff you could use a persistent image. Every time they log on they get 
their regular desktop. But if they blow it up or hork it, a couple of clicks 
and they have a “new” computer.

Students, which are notorious for screwing with computers could have 
non-persistent desktops for labs, etc. Every time they log off, the OS is 
reloaded from scratch. Their data (docs, etc) remains, but they get a fresh OS. 
Every bit of crap they did to the PC is gone and they are brand new again. 
Imagine the load that takes off an already taxed K12 IT staff.

The cost savings in man hours alone can be huge.

 

Many folks get stuck looking at the upfront costs and don’t look at the long 
term savings in man hours and user downtime. You have a user today that goes 
down,  how long does it take to get them back up? If you are really good, an 
hour? How about a couple of minutes or less? How much money are you saving now?

 

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciat

RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[John Hornbuckle]

We lock our students and employees down so tight that it’s virtually (no pun 
intended) impossible for them to butcher the OS.

But I get where you’re coming from.


John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

That’s not necessarily true.
First off you don’t have to invest in terminals off the bat. You can certainly 
use your existing PC’s as the terminal and replace them as you upgrade.
Second and this huge in an educational environment is the central management of 
the computers.
For example.
With staff you could use a persistent image. Every time they log on they get 
their regular desktop. But if they blow it up or hork it, a couple of clicks 
and they have a “new” computer.
Students, which are notorious for screwing with computers could have 
non-persistent desktops for labs, etc. Every time they log off, the OS is 
reloaded from scratch. Their data (docs, etc) remains, but they get a fresh OS. 
Every bit of crap they did to the PC is gone and they are brand new again. 
Imagine the load that takes off an already taxed K12 IT staff.
The cost savings in man hours alone can be huge.

Many folks get stuck looking at the upfront costs and don’t look at the long 
term savings in man hours and user downtime. You have a user today that goes 
down,  how long does it take to get them back up? If you are really good, an 
hour? How about a couple of minutes or less? How much money are you saving now?


From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

Thx!

Carlos

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>
We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

Thanks!



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>
Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Scott

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Computer Technician
Massena Central School District
St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
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RE: laptop battery purchase

[Martin Blackstone]

I've used Pacific Batteries as well and liked them.

Just stay legit. If you have an HP laptop, buy an HP battery. Not some 3rd
party and aftermarket brand.

Yes, batteries are expensive, but that's life in the mobile workforce.

We are all laptops at Trace3 and I buy a lot of batteries and I only buy
Lenovo brand.

 

From: Todd Lemmiksoo [mailto:tlemmik...@all-mode.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: laptop battery purchase

 

I use Pacific Batteries or Battery Edge, my laptops are all DELL.

Todd

 

  _  

From: David Coffey [mailto:dcof...@sllboces.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: laptop battery purchase

Check out Priority Electronics as well.  Have had good luck with Dell
replacement batteries and HDs.

Dave

- Original Message - 

From: John Aldrich   

To: NT System Admin Issues   

Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM

Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase

 

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has
an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and
would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had
it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it
from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: laptop battery purchase

[John Aldrich]

Ok. Thanks *sigh* Guess I'll be getting a brand new battery from
HP/CDW/etc.




-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: laptop battery purchase

The sellers on Amazon are the exact same sellers on eBay and are all
offering the same f*$(#) piece of garbage batteries.

If you want a decent battery for a laptop you're best best is to go with
an OEM NOS (new old stock) battery. Considering you're looking for an HP
battery you want to look at all the places that sell HP gear new - CDW,
Softchoice, Insight, Ingram Micro (if you have an account), etc.

If you had a Dell laptop I would tell you to buy it directly from Dell.

Regardless of brand a new OEM battery is going to cost you $100+ US.

On 2/5/2010 9:39 AM, John Aldrich wrote:
> What about Amazon? There are a number of vendors there offering them for
> around $55 or so.


-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: laptop battery purchase

[Phil Brutsche]

The sellers on Amazon are the exact same sellers on eBay and are all
offering the same f*$(#) piece of garbage batteries.

If you want a decent battery for a laptop you're best best is to go with
an OEM NOS (new old stock) battery. Considering you're looking for an HP
battery you want to look at all the places that sell HP gear new - CDW,
Softchoice, Insight, Ingram Micro (if you have an account), etc.

If you had a Dell laptop I would tell you to buy it directly from Dell.

Regardless of brand a new OEM battery is going to cost you $100+ US.

On 2/5/2010 9:39 AM, John Aldrich wrote:
> What about Amazon? There are a number of vendors there offering them for
> around $55 or so.


-- 

Phil Brutsche
p...@optimumdata.com

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: laptop battery purchase

[Todd Lemmiksoo]

I use Pacific Batteries or Battery Edge, my laptops are all DELL.
Todd



From: David Coffey [mailto:dcof...@sllboces.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: laptop battery purchase


Check out Priority Electronics as well.  Have had good luck with Dell
replacement batteries and HDs.
Dave

- Original Message - 
From: John Aldrich   
To: NT System Admin Issues
  
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase


What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my
users has an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15
minutes, max and would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and
found one place had it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about
$115. L I'd like to get it from a place that is reasonable and will
stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

  

 

 


 



 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: laptop battery purchase

[John Aldrich]

What about Amazon? There are a number of vendors there offering them for
around $55 or so.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: laptop battery purchase

 

Recently got one from CDW. Was near the price you stated though, they're not
cheap.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase

 

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has
an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and
would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had
it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it
from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: laptop battery purchase

[David Coffey]

Check out Priority Electronics as well.  Have had good luck with Dell 
replacement batteries and HDs.
Dave
  - Original Message - 
  From: John Aldrich 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
  Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase


  What’s a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has an 
HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and would 
like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had it for 
under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I’d like to get it from a 
place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

   

  Thanks!

   



   




 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: laptop battery purchase

[David Mazzaccaro]

Stay away from ebay.
Go to a legitimate source (like CDW, etc)
>From my experiences, around $120 is what you will pay if you want it to
work.
Any less, and the user will be in the same boat they are now within a
week.
$.02
 

 


From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase



What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users
has an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes,
max and would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one
place had it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd
like to get it from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind
what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

  

 

 

 


.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: OT: WOL cost savings

[Christopher Bodnar]

Update:

 

Just found that our facilities people did an in-depth analysis on this
over a year ago. The findings show that enterprise wide we'd be saving
over $100K/year. It was never implemented. No idea why yet. Right now we
are in cost savings mode, which I'm sure most other organizations are as
well. I'm thinking this will be looked at more closely now, and hopefully
implemented. 

 

 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

  _  

From: philip.brothw...@gmail.com [mailto:philip.brothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: WOL cost savings

 

I know one company that looked into it a year or so ago.  The company
tested sample computers using a Kill-A-Watt type device.  I don't have the
exact figures but the admin type desktops saw very little savings in
turning them off.  The engineering pcs saw bigger savings but they,
generally, were doing things at night so they couldn't be shut off anyway.
In the end, it was decided not to change the policy of keeping all pcs on
24x7.

One issue that was raised, but not looked into, was what affect increased
power cycles would have on hard drive life.  Something to think about.


Phil












On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Christopher Bodnar
 wrote:

Anyone actually go through this in the real world and see a significant
savings?

Thanks,



Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003


-Original Message-
From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: WOL cost savings

Not having dove into the WOL computations myself, wouldn't it require
standby power?

A quick Google came up with an average of 10-15 Watts used for standby
mode.

We were just talking about this here last week, in regards to all of the
electronics in our homes that now run in standby mode.

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: WOL cost savings

So far this is the best thing I've found online.

http://www.eu-energystar.org/en/en_008b.shtml



Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: WOL cost savings

Something like this
Average 65 watts for 1 computer (while idle)
8760 hours in a year - 2000 (hours you are at work) = 6760 (hours you
are not at work per year)
65 watts * 6760 hours / 1000 = 439.4 kilowatt-hours
439.4 * $.119 (RATE) = $52.29 (cost per year of one computer being on
while you are not there)


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT: WOL cost savings

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:45, Christopher Bodnar
 wrote:
> Has anyone put something together to show management in regards to the

> possible ROI of using WOL? I'm more interested in getting some solid
> numbers on the savings per PC per month. I'm not really sure where to
> go in order to get these kinds of numbers. I've seen some general
> stuff out there that range between $25-$75/year per PC. But not how
that was calculated.

One obvious metric is to calculate energy costs for the PCs - how much
electricity they consume when turned on 24x7 vs when turned on 8x5.
That alone should be fairly significant.

Kurt

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RE: laptop battery purchase

[Don Guyer]

Recently got one from CDW. Was near the price you stated though, they're
not cheap.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

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From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: laptop battery purchase

 

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users
has an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes,
max and would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one
place had it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd
like to get it from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind
what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

  

 

 

 

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RE: User 2.0

[Martin Blackstone]

Take a look at Palo Alto Networks.

It's time to stop blocking IP's and ports and start looking at the
application level.

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: User 2.0

 

Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.

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OT: laptop battery purchase

[John Aldrich]

What's a good place to get a new battery for a laptop? One of my users has
an HP DV8000 and says that the battery is lasting about 15 minutes, max and
would like to get a replacement. I went to Froogle and found one place had
it for under $50 and Batteries Plus wants about $115. L I'd like to get it
from a place that is reasonable and will stand behind what they sell.

 

Thanks!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 


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RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Martin Blackstone]

That’s not necessarily true.

First off you don’t have to invest in terminals off the bat. You can certainly 
use your existing PC’s as the terminal and replace them as you upgrade.

Second and this huge in an educational environment is the central management of 
the computers.

For example.

With staff you could use a persistent image. Every time they log on they get 
their regular desktop. But if they blow it up or hork it, a couple of clicks 
and they have a “new” computer.

Students, which are notorious for screwing with computers could have 
non-persistent desktops for labs, etc. Every time they log off, the OS is 
reloaded from scratch. Their data (docs, etc) remains, but they get a fresh OS. 
Every bit of crap they did to the PC is gone and they are brand new again. 
Imagine the load that takes off an already taxed K12 IT staff.

The cost savings in man hours alone can be huge.

 

Many folks get stuck looking at the upfront costs and don’t look at the long 
term savings in man hours and user downtime. You have a user today that goes 
down,  how long does it take to get them back up? If you are really good, an 
hour? How about a couple of minutes or less? How much money are you saving now?

 

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

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Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Don Guyer]

This is exactly what we are piloting right now, as we already had the back-end 
to support the VMWare solution.

 

We are looking to replace about 700 fat clients (eventually) with WYSE 
terminals within the next few years, if this goes through.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:cgarciamo...@spragueenergy.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

---

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Computer Technician

Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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Re: User 2.0

[Kurt Buff]

If I have enough money/training and the right policies, I can deal
with User 2.0.

Preferably from about 500 yards, using a good scope.

Oh, wait. Was that my outside voice?

Sorry.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 06:17, David Lum  wrote:
> Thoughts?  Some of the comments are good.
>
> http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8158
>
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

VMware View is only cost effective for larger deployments or certain type of 
deployments.

 

Base cost is 150/250 for Enterprise /premier per concurrent license. Add cost 
of OS plus PC or Term Device and you are still looking around 600-700 per user. 
Now that’s just for the VDI’s you also need the vSphere backend to support this 
Hosts, Disks etc..

 

But it’s great for things like having 2-3 base images that are linked to a 
deployed pool of VDI’s you can upgrade the base image and have your new pools 
updated with what you did. Helps also on places that have Shifts or Classroom 
where you can do a Many-to-one implementation

 

Thx!

 

Carlos

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

 

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

 

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?  

 

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Scott

 

---

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Computer Technician

Massena Central School District 

St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES

(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043

 

 

 

 

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RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Wilhelm, Scott]

Yes they do.  I haven’t looked at it though.  The BOCES I work for looked at it 
briefly but has started to invest in VMware training, so I’m guessing that 
Microsoft’s off the table for whatever reason.



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for us.  
Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and fewest 
man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are expensive but have 
saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.

Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>
We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already virtualized 
90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared Citrix vs VMWare to 
see the pro’s & con’s?

I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to exclude 
everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.

Thanks!



From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix representative 
claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not sure about that and 
asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and renewals are very expensive 
(and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing).  We already use several Citrix 
products though, and they work well.

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able to save 
us money.

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>
Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a 
organization wide scale?

We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying to 
investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual cost 
savings, and what solutions are available and work best.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Scott

---
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Computer Technician
Massena Central School District
St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043







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RE: Home PC imaging

[Michael Waltonen]

Why not just use the builtin Windows Backup, if you have Vista or 7?  Write
to an external USB drive or a set of DVDs.  To restore, boot from the
Windows install media and choose to do a Complete PC Recovery.  It's free
and supported by the OS vendor.

-Mike

> -Original Message-
> From: bounce-8814279-8243...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [mailto:bounce-
> 8814279-8243...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of John Aldrich
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 7:59 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Home PC imaging
>
> Yeah... that's a trick I've seen *one* time. :-) Apparently the
> programmer wasn't intelligent enough to build a hidden registry entry
> to auto-download... :-) I'd still run MBAM and VipreRescue against it
> again after deleting those entries. Also, there was some batchfiles,
> IIRC that would reinstall the scheduled tasks, so double-check that as
> well. I think they were in the root of the C:\ drive.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joe Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 8:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Home PC imaging
>
> Good call John.  There were two scheduled tasks.  Hopefully, it'll stay
> cleaned now.
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Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Andrew S. Baker]

I'm not sure about cheaper (it is possible), but Citrix is a stronger player 
than VMWare in app and desktop virtualization, and will probably remain that 
way for some time. 

The ROI might be in the area of performance, capacity and ease of deployment 
rather than raw licensing costs. 

And, it can be helpful to balance two vendors against each other who both want 
the whole pie. 

 
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-Original Message-
From: "Tom Miller" 
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:12:57 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix
representative claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not
sure about that and asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and
renewals are very expensive (and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing). 
We already use several Citrix products though, and they work well.
 
I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able
to save us money.
 
Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a
organization wide scale?  
 
We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying
to investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual
cost savings, and what solutions are available and work best.
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Regards,
 
Scott
 
---
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Computer Technician
Massena Central School District 
St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043
 

 
 

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RE: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

[Tom Miller]

I haven't looked at VMWare yet, it's on the list.  Cost is important for
us.  Generally the product that gets the job done the cheapest (and
fewest man-hours) gets the sale.  Our various Citrix products are
expensive but have saved me many hours, so it's a toss up so far.
 
Does Microsoft have a virtual desktop enterprise product?  

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 9:31 AM >>>

We’ve only looked at VMWare solutions so far since we have already
virtualized 90% of our servers using their products.  Have you compared
Citrix vs VMWare to see the pro’s & con’s?
 
I’m guessing we’ll go w/ VMWare, but I guess it wouldn’t be smart to
exclude everyone atleast for the fact finding purposes.
 
Thanks!
 
 
 

From:Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktop (VMWare)

 

We are looking into the Citrix virtual desktop, as our Citrix
representative claims that over the long term is it cheaper.  I'm not
sure about that and asked for some numbers, since Citrix licensing and
renewals are very expensive (and there is no non-profit/gov't pricing). 
We already use several Citrix products though, and they work well.

 

I can see about 60% of our staff using VM desktops, which might be able
to save us money.

 

Any other technologies to review?

>>> "Wilhelm, Scott"  2/5/2010 7:19 AM >>>

Has anyone setup their desktops to run in a virtual environment on a
organization wide scale?  
 
We’re a k-12 school looking for whatever cost savings, and I’m trying
to investigate whether it’s worth the switch, if there’d be an actual
cost savings, and what solutions are available and work best.
 
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
 
Regards,
 
Scott
 
---
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Computer Technician
Massena Central School District 
St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
(315) 764-3700 ext. 3043
 
  
 
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