Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

True, but...

As I'll keep hammering on - the traffic for other apps is much more
transparent than that for skype, and NIDS systems, such as snort,
etc., can help with the other apps, but absolutely cannot help with
skype.

Kurt

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 21:28, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>>It's also precisely how exploitations begin, not merely DoSes.
>
> Well then, it's a good thing that none of the other software we
> use ever behaves like that.
>
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>
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> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> It's also precisely how exploitations begin, not merely DoSes.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:51, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>> >>>Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
>> > Isn't that precisely how a DoS works?
>> > Did you read the whole article or just the summary?    The "client"
>> > software, as you noted before, is operating in P2P mode, so it is both
>> > client and server software, depending on the type of activity being
>> > performed at that time.
>> > While a regrettable problem, it wasn't inconceivable that something like
>> > this could happen if things lined up right.
>> >
>> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh, and I just saw this:
>> >>
>> >> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/cio_update.html: "On Wednesday,
>> >> December 22, a cluster of support servers responsible for offline
>> >> instant messaging became overloaded. As a result of this overload,
>> >> some Skype clients received delayed responses from the overloaded
>> >> servers. In a version of the Skype for Windows client (version
>> >> 5.0.0152), the delayed responses from the overloaded servers were not
>> >> properly processed, causing Windows clients running the affected
>> >> version to crash."
>> >>
>> >> Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
>> >>
>> >> I'm glad it's fixed in the newest versions, but wow...
>> >>
>> >> Now, I must qualify my concern - I don't care nearly as much about
>> >> skype on phones - they're not going to live on my production network,
>> >> and phones running Good software have corporate data relatively well
>> >> protected. Smartphones will live on a guest network. It's the
>> >> workstations I'm concerned about.
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > What's your main concern with Skype?
>> >> > What aspect of security is your focus?
>> >> >
>> >> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>> >> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> >> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> >> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> >> >> skype?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a
>> >> >> decision
>> >> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kurt
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> >> >> > listening
>> >> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> >> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> >> > Subject: Skype
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that
>> >> >> > wants
>> >> >> > us
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
>> >> >> > leery
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> >> >> > central
>> >> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
>> >> >> > security
>> >> >> > guy
>> >> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > OK.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > …Tim
>> >> >> >
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Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

It's good you don't equate ubiquity with safety - the apocryphal
lemmings are a poor example.

I submit, however, that another animal is a powerful and relevant
metaphor here - the black swan.

We simply don't know what the threats are, and the downside is huge.
That alone should be warning enough. If you haven't read them, the
works of Nicholas Nassim Taleb are worth the read.

You ask about "practical" concerns - they are the usual, which are
dismissed: Subversion of the client, intrusion of the network thereby,
in a very hard to detect fashion - much harder to detect than a
subverted web browser. The risk is much larger with skype because of
the nature of the task and the software. Lots of traffic to and from
the world, with no way to understand or filter it.

For web browsing I do use as many mitigating technologies as I am
allowed to use for web browsing as I can, but we've basically lost the
battle on that front. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep
fighting.

For instance, I've proposed that those who "need" skype should receive
a second, less-capable PC, with an internet connection that that
doesn't touch the production network - perhaps a separate layer 2 VLAN
that doesn't touch the production network, and which could also be
used for other purposes as well - like web browsing. I've gotten funny
looks and a denial.

Corporate culture is fundamentally insane on this issue, AFAICT.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 21:26, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>> Ah, but I believe you're mistaking or minimizing the differences between
>>> web browsing and skype.
> No, Kurt, I am not minimizing them.   I pointing out that we routinely hear
> about people who experience infosec-related problems in the corporate realm
> due to what would otherwise be deemed as simple web browsing.  Recent tech
> news is replete with such examples.
> Whether or not there is technology available to mitigate these is secondary
> (unless, of course, you are currently making use of all such technology).
>  It is safe to say that your organization is already assuming some risk
> related to technologies for which there are ready and active exploits on a
> regular basis.
>
> I'm simply asking you to articulate *practical* problems that you expect to
> encounter in your employees' use of Skype, so that we can discuss
> appropriate mitigation strategies, or come to the conclusion that it is not
> worth the effort to do so.
> There are all sorts of possibilities and probabilities with technologies,
> but rather than wax poetic about things that are possible, let us evaluate
> that which is probable and deal with it.
> While I am not quite willing to suggest that ubiquity is equivalent to
> safety, I will ask:  Given the not-insubstantial adoption of Skype in the
> corporate realm -- from which you should be able to draw ample examples --
> what are the types of real-world issues you anticipate happening when your
> employees start using Skype?
>
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> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Ah, but I believe you're mistaking or minimizing the differences
>> between web browsing and skype. They are nothing alike. For the
>> largest difference, http is a well understood protocol, and there are
>> many ways to mitigate issues with it and the software that consumes
>> it, including web filters with white/black lists, proxies that
>> understand the protocols involved (html, xml, javascript, java and
>> flash, mostly), plus browser addons that filter or block
>> javascript/flash/java and ads.
>>
>> There is *nothing* equivalent available for skype. You are given a
>> client that consumes an encrypted data stream over which you have no
>> control and into which you have no visibility. You cannot
>> whitelist/blacklist any ip address on ports 443 (tcp and udp!) or port
>> 80, and there is no proxy of which I'm aware that understands the
>> protocol to monitor it for buffer overflows or other malicious
>> content.
>>
>> Even with SSL, if I want to spend the money and/or time, I can MITM
>> and proxy SSL. Not possible with skype.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:48, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>> >>>Does this
>> >>>
>> >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws) not
>> >>> give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>> >
>> > Some pause, sure.
>> >
>> > Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for
>> > the
>> > folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
>> > connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)
>> >
>> > More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer
>> > than
>> > 2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the
>> > list at
>> > least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.
>> >
>> > There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
>> > functionality of Skype in 

RE: Small/Mid Firewall?

[Ben Schorr]

Well, to be fair *I* haven't looked at it yet myself.  It's been in the
hands of two of my junior people; at least one of whom is generally very
capable and has deployed several other firewall/routers of other vendors
in the past.  But he's spent the better part of all day trying to get
the Juniper working and finally has resorted to having Juniper tech
support remote in and try to get it working.  

 

Apparently even the Juniper support person has spent quite a bit of time
wrestling with it to only mixed results.  It gives me some pause that
even a Juniper support engineer would struggle with getting this unit
configured.  But I've still got 2200 more pages of the manual to read
so...

 

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com  
b...@rolandschorr.com  

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Small/Mid Firewall?

 

Really?  IPSec VPNs are one of the easiest things to configure on those
devices.

 

In fairness, however, I've been using Netscreen devices since Feb 2000,
so that might simply be familiarity talking.

 

The VPN wizard is very straightforward


 

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ben Schorr 
wrote:

Update: We went with the Juniper SSG-5.  I think we're going to like it
but good grief this thing is complicated!  We're having to open a tech
support incident with Juniper just to get the IPSEC VPN configured.  The
manuals we downloaded for it are almost 2300 pages long!

 

I look forward to getting up to speed on this device, it does seem very
capable.  Just a learning curve like an alp.  J

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
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www.rolandschorr.com  
b...@rolandschorr.com  

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Small/Mid Firewall?

 

Fortinet 50B

Juniper SSG5


 

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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Ben Schorr 
wrote:

What's everybody recommending these days for the small/mid-sized
firewall?

 

I have a client with about 75 users scattered across three locations.
They've been using a SnapGear SG580 at their central location but it
died this morning.

 

Needs:

 

* IPSEC & PPTP (or L2TP) VPN support

* Dual WAN capability with load-balance/failover.

* Preferably under $800

 

We looked at the NetGear ProSafe line but were wondering if there's
anything better?

 

Not a huge fan of SonicWall and their "pay per user" model.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
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Roland Schorr & Tower - Flagstaff Office
2700 S. Woodlands Village Blvd. Suite 300-371
Flagstaff, AZ 86001
928-377-5630
Fax: 808-533-3677
www.rolandschorr.com  
b...@rolandschorr.com

 

 

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Re: videos from hulu

[Doug Hampshire]

Seriously? Why not just point a video camera at the monitor?

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:23 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> You may have to get creative (microphone placed in front of speakers
> perhaps), but it can!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: videos from hulu
>
> Snagit won't pick up the audio, will it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: videos from hulu
>
> You can try the program "SnagIt" I've had reasonably good success with
> it.
> http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: videos from hulu
>
> So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
> like
> http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
> like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>It's also precisely how exploitations begin, not merely DoSes.
*


Well then, it's a good thing that none of the other software we use
ever behaves
like that.


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> It's also precisely how exploitations begin, not merely DoSes.
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:51, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> >>>Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
> > Isn't that precisely how a DoS works?
> > Did you read the whole article or just the summary?The "client"
> > software, as you noted before, is operating in P2P mode, so it is both
> > client and server software, depending on the type of activity being
> > performed at that time.
> > While a regrettable problem, it wasn't inconceivable that something like
> > this could happen if things lined up right.
> >
> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, and I just saw this:
> >>
> >> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/cio_update.html: "On Wednesday,
> >> December 22, a cluster of support servers responsible for offline
> >> instant messaging became overloaded. As a result of this overload,
> >> some Skype clients received delayed responses from the overloaded
> >> servers. In a version of the Skype for Windows client (version
> >> 5.0.0152), the delayed responses from the overloaded servers were not
> >> properly processed, causing Windows clients running the affected
> >> version to crash."
> >>
> >> Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
> >>
> >> I'm glad it's fixed in the newest versions, but wow...
> >>
> >> Now, I must qualify my concern - I don't care nearly as much about
> >> skype on phones - they're not going to live on my production network,
> >> and phones running Good software have corporate data relatively well
> >> protected. Smartphones will live on a guest network. It's the
> >> workstations I'm concerned about.
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
> >> > What's your main concern with Skype?
> >> > What aspect of security is your focus?
> >> >
> >> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> >> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
> >> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
> >> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
> >> >> skype?
> >> >>
> >> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
> >> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Kurt
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet <
> ken.corne...@kimball.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
> >> >> > listening
> >> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> >> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> >> > Subject: Skype
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants
> >> >> > us
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
> >> >> > leery
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
> >> >> > central
> >> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
> >> >> > security
> >> >> > guy
> >> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not
> to
> >> >> > say
> >> >> > OK.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > …Tim
> >> >> >
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>> Ah, but I believe you're mistaking or minimizing the differences between
web browsing and skype.*

No, Kurt, I am not minimizing them.   I pointing out that we routinely hear
about people who experience infosec-related problems in the corporate realm
due to what would otherwise be deemed as simple web browsing.  Recent tech
news is replete with such examples.

Whether or not there is technology available to mitigate these is secondary
(unless, of course, you are currently making use of all such technology).
 It is safe to say that your organization is already assuming some risk
related to technologies for which there are ready and active exploits on a
regular basis.


I'm simply asking you to articulate *practical* problems that you expect to
encounter in your employees' use of Skype, so that we can discuss
appropriate mitigation strategies, or come to the conclusion that it is not
worth the effort to do so.

There are all sorts of possibilities and probabilities with technologies,
but rather than wax poetic about things that are possible, let us evaluate
that which is probable and deal with it.

While I am not quite willing to suggest that ubiquity is equivalent to
safety, I will ask:  Given the not-insubstantial adoption of Skype in the
corporate realm -- from which you should be able to draw ample examples --
what are the types of real-world issues you anticipate happening when your
employees start using Skype?


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Ah, but I believe you're mistaking or minimizing the differences
> between web browsing and skype. They are nothing alike. For the
> largest difference, http is a well understood protocol, and there are
> many ways to mitigate issues with it and the software that consumes
> it, including web filters with white/black lists, proxies that
> understand the protocols involved (html, xml, javascript, java and
> flash, mostly), plus browser addons that filter or block
> javascript/flash/java and ads.
>
> There is *nothing* equivalent available for skype. You are given a
> client that consumes an encrypted data stream over which you have no
> control and into which you have no visibility. You cannot
> whitelist/blacklist any ip address on ports 443 (tcp and udp!) or port
> 80, and there is no proxy of which I'm aware that understands the
> protocol to monitor it for buffer overflows or other malicious
> content.
>
> Even with SSL, if I want to spend the money and/or time, I can MITM
> and proxy SSL. Not possible with skype.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:48, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> >>>Does this
> >>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws
> ) not
> >>> give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
> >
> > Some pause, sure.
> >
> > Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for
> the
> > folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
> > connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)
> >
> > More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer
> than
> > 2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the list
> at
> > least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.
> >
> > There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
> > functionality of Skype in an environment.
> >
> > Define the threat and determine if there is sufficient mitigation or
> > workarounds available to handle it vs the benefits that might be derived
> > from the tools usage.
> >
> > Back in 2006, we voted against its usage within our organization based on
> > the proposed use case.  Today, the technology is far more robust (the
> recent
> > meltdown notwithstanding) and the tools for mitigating VoIP risks in
> general
> > are more prevalent and mature.
> >
> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
> >> such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
> >> end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
> >> not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
> >> that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
> >> purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
> >> inbound network traffic that you don't control.
> >>
> >> All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
> >> focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
> >> you were asking?
> >>
> >> Does this
> >> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
> >> not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker 

Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

It's also precisely how exploitations begin, not merely DoSes.

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:51, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>>Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
> Isn't that precisely how a DoS works?
> Did you read the whole article or just the summary?    The "client"
> software, as you noted before, is operating in P2P mode, so it is both
> client and server software, depending on the type of activity being
> performed at that time.
> While a regrettable problem, it wasn't inconceivable that something like
> this could happen if things lined up right.
>
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> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and I just saw this:
>>
>> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/cio_update.html: "On Wednesday,
>> December 22, a cluster of support servers responsible for offline
>> instant messaging became overloaded. As a result of this overload,
>> some Skype clients received delayed responses from the overloaded
>> servers. In a version of the Skype for Windows client (version
>> 5.0.0152), the delayed responses from the overloaded servers were not
>> properly processed, causing Windows clients running the affected
>> version to crash."
>>
>> Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
>>
>> I'm glad it's fixed in the newest versions, but wow...
>>
>> Now, I must qualify my concern - I don't care nearly as much about
>> skype on phones - they're not going to live on my production network,
>> and phones running Good software have corporate data relatively well
>> protected. Smartphones will live on a guest network. It's the
>> workstations I'm concerned about.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>> > What's your main concern with Skype?
>> > What aspect of security is your focus?
>> >
>> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>> >>
>> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> >> skype?
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> >> > listening
>> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > Subject: Skype
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants
>> >> > us
>> >> > to
>> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
>> >> > leery
>> >> > of
>> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
>> >> > they
>> >> > have
>> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> >> > central
>> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
>> >> > security
>> >> > guy
>> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
>> >> > say
>> >> > OK.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > …Tim
>> >> >
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Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

Ah, but I believe you're mistaking or minimizing the differences
between web browsing and skype. They are nothing alike. For the
largest difference, http is a well understood protocol, and there are
many ways to mitigate issues with it and the software that consumes
it, including web filters with white/black lists, proxies that
understand the protocols involved (html, xml, javascript, java and
flash, mostly), plus browser addons that filter or block
javascript/flash/java and ads.

There is *nothing* equivalent available for skype. You are given a
client that consumes an encrypted data stream over which you have no
control and into which you have no visibility. You cannot
whitelist/blacklist any ip address on ports 443 (tcp and udp!) or port
80, and there is no proxy of which I'm aware that understands the
protocol to monitor it for buffer overflows or other malicious
content.

Even with SSL, if I want to spend the money and/or time, I can MITM
and proxy SSL. Not possible with skype.

Kurt

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 14:48, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>>Does this
>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws) not
>>> give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>
> Some pause, sure.
>
> Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for the
> folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
> connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)
>
> More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer than
> 2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the list at
> least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.
>
> There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
> functionality of Skype in an environment.
>
> Define the threat and determine if there is sufficient mitigation or
> workarounds available to handle it vs the benefits that might be derived
> from the tools usage.
>
> Back in 2006, we voted against its usage within our organization based on
> the proposed use case.  Today, the technology is far more robust (the recent
> meltdown notwithstanding) and the tools for mitigating VoIP risks in general
> are more prevalent and mature.
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
>> such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
>> end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
>> not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
>> that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
>> purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
>> inbound network traffic that you don't control.
>>
>> All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
>> focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
>> you were asking?
>>
>> Does this
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
>> not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>> > What's your main concern with Skype?
>> > What aspect of security is your focus?
>> >
>> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>> >>
>> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> >> skype?
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> >> > listening
>> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > Subject: Skype
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants
>> >> > us
>> >> > to
>> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
>> >> > leery
>> >> > of
>> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
>> >> > they
>> >> > have
>> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> >> > central
>> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
>> >> > security
>> >> > guy
>> >>

Re: Small/Mid Firewall?

[Andrew S. Baker]

You are the man, Webster!  :)


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Webster  wrote:

> I am sure ASB is available for a nice consulting fee to assist! J
>
>
>
>
>
> Webster
>
>
>
> *From:* Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
> *Subject:* RE: Small/Mid Firewall?
>
>
>
> Update: We went with the Juniper SSG-5.  I think we’re going to like it but
> good grief this thing is complicated!  We’re having to open a tech support
> incident with Juniper just to get the IPSEC VPN configured.  The manuals we
> downloaded for it are almost 2300 pages long!
>
>
>
> I look forward to getting up to speed on this device, it does seem very
> capable.  Just a learning curve like an alp.  J
>
>
>

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Re: Small/Mid Firewall?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Really?  IPSec VPNs are one of the easiest things to configure on those
devices.

In fairness, however, I've been using Netscreen devices since Feb 2000, so
that might simply be familiarity talking.

The VPN wizard is very straightforward


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Ben Schorr  wrote:

> Update: We went with the Juniper SSG-5.  I think we’re going to like it but
> good grief this thing is complicated!  We’re having to open a tech support
> incident with Juniper just to get the IPSEC VPN configured.  The manuals we
> downloaded for it are almost 2300 pages long!
>
>
>
> I look forward to getting up to speed on this device, it does seem very
> capable.  Just a learning curve like an alp.  J
>
>
>
> Ben M. Schorr
> Chief Executive Officer
> __
> *Roland Schorr & Tower
> *www.rolandschorr.com
> b...@rolandschorr.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:05 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Small/Mid Firewall?
>
>
>
> Fortinet 50B
>
> Juniper SSG5
>
>
>
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> * *
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Ben Schorr  wrote:
>
> What’s everybody recommending these days for the small/mid-sized firewall?
>
>
>
> I have a client with about 75 users scattered across three locations.
> They’ve been using a SnapGear SG580 at their central location but it died
> this morning.
>
>
>
> Needs:
>
>
>
> · IPSEC & PPTP (or L2TP) VPN support
>
> · Dual WAN capability with load-balance/failover.
>
> · Preferably under $800
>
>
>
> We looked at the NetGear ProSafe line but were wondering if there’s
> anything better?
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of SonicWall and their “pay per user” model.
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

I see your generic browser concerns, and raise you Adobe products.

#1 concern for me is Flash.
#2 - Browsers
#3 - Tie between PDFs and Smartphones connected to the network


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Doug Hampshire wrote:

> My top three security concerns.
> 1. Internet Explorer
> 2. Google Chrome
> 3. Firefox
>
> and
> 4. Users
> .and those are my top 4 security concerns on my network...
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> *>>**Does this (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws) not
>> give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?*
>>
>>
>> Some pause, sure.
>>
>>
>> Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for
>> the folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
>> connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)
>>
>> More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer than
>> 2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the list at
>> least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.
>>
>> There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
>> functionality of Skype in an environment.
>>
>> Define the threat and determine if there is sufficient mitigation or
>> workarounds available to handle it vs the benefits that might be derived
>> from the tools usage.
>>
>>
>> Back in 2006, we voted against its usage within our organization based on
>> the proposed use case.  Today, the technology is far more robust (the recent
>> meltdown notwithstanding) and the tools for mitigating VoIP risks in general
>> are more prevalent and mature.
>>
>>
>>
>> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
>> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
>> * *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>>> Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
>>> such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
>>> end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
>>> not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
>>> that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
>>> purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
>>> inbound network traffic that you don't control.
>>>
>>> All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
>>> focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
>>> you were asking?
>>>
>>> Does this (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
>>> not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker 
>>> wrote:
>>> > What's your main concern with Skype?
>>> > What aspect of security is your focus?
>>> >
>>> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>>> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>>> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>>> >>
>>> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>>> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>>> >> skype?
>>> >>
>>> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>>> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Kurt
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet >> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>>> >> > listening
>>> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> >> > Subject: Skype
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants
>>> us
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
>>> leery
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
>>> they
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>>> >> > central
>>> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
>>> security
>>> >> > guy
>>> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not
>>> to
>>> >> > say
>>> >> > OK.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > …Tim
>>>
>>

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RE: Small/Mid Firewall?

[Webster]

I am sure ASB is available for a nice consulting fee to assist! J

 

 

Webster

 

From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Subject: RE: Small/Mid Firewall?

 

Update: We went with the Juniper SSG-5.  I think we're going to like it but
good grief this thing is complicated!  We're having to open a tech support
incident with Juniper just to get the IPSEC VPN configured.  The manuals we
downloaded for it are almost 2300 pages long!

 

I look forward to getting up to speed on this device, it does seem very
capable.  Just a learning curve like an alp.  J


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RE: Small/Mid Firewall?

[Ben Schorr]

Update: We went with the Juniper SSG-5.  I think we're going to like it
but good grief this thing is complicated!  We're having to open a tech
support incident with Juniper just to get the IPSEC VPN configured.  The
manuals we downloaded for it are almost 2300 pages long!

 

I look forward to getting up to speed on this device, it does seem very
capable.  Just a learning curve like an alp.  J

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
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www.rolandschorr.com  
b...@rolandschorr.com  

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Small/Mid Firewall?

 

Fortinet 50B

Juniper SSG5


 

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On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Ben Schorr 
wrote:

What's everybody recommending these days for the small/mid-sized
firewall?

 

I have a client with about 75 users scattered across three locations.
They've been using a SnapGear SG580 at their central location but it
died this morning.

 

Needs:

 

* IPSEC & PPTP (or L2TP) VPN support

* Dual WAN capability with load-balance/failover.

* Preferably under $800

 

We looked at the NetGear ProSafe line but were wondering if there's
anything better?

 

Not a huge fan of SonicWall and their "pay per user" model.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower - Flagstaff Office
2700 S. Woodlands Village Blvd. Suite 300-371
Flagstaff, AZ 86001
928-377-5630
Fax: 808-533-3677
www.rolandschorr.com  
b...@rolandschorr.com

 

 

 

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Ken Schaefer]

SCOM is definitely geared to the Microsoft eco-system. For monitoring stuff 
that comes from non-Microsoft vendors, you generally need an MP from that 
vendor (or author your own). SCOM requires a fair amount of tuning 
out-of-the-box as the MS MPs generate vast amounts of information. MyITForum 
has a pretty active SCOM forum

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 2:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Monitoring Software


Thank you for the quick response.

To be honest we are not looking at free stuff due to various reasonshence I 
did not ask that question earlier but...

Having read what I have...no comments on SCOM ?

why not SCOM ??

Does it require a lot of scripting hence it is not proffered ?

OR

Does it not integrate with switches / routers easily ?
Does it not perform mrtg graphs ?
Does it require more resources ?
Does it not monitor vmware ?

OR

Once you purchase the product from MS than you basically go to 3rd parties to 
buy plug-ins for SCOM ? like quest supply some modules ?


cheers

John




On 30 December 2010 15:01, Erik Goldoff 
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http://www.nagios.org/

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Re: Skype

[Doug Hampshire]

My top three security concerns.
1. Internet Explorer
2. Google Chrome
3. Firefox

and
4. Users
.and those are my top 4 security concerns on my network...


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> *>>**Does this (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws) not
> give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?*
>
>
> Some pause, sure.
>
>
> Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for
> the folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
> connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)
>
> More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer than
> 2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the list at
> least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.
>
> There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
> functionality of Skype in an environment.
>
> Define the threat and determine if there is sufficient mitigation or
> workarounds available to handle it vs the benefits that might be derived
> from the tools usage.
>
>
> Back in 2006, we voted against its usage within our organization based on
> the proposed use case.  Today, the technology is far more robust (the recent
> meltdown notwithstanding) and the tools for mitigating VoIP risks in general
> are more prevalent and mature.
>
>
>
> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> * *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
>> such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
>> end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
>> not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
>> that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
>> purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
>> inbound network traffic that you don't control.
>>
>> All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
>> focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
>> you were asking?
>>
>> Does this (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
>> not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>>
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>> > What's your main concern with Skype?
>> > What aspect of security is your focus?
>> >
>> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
>> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>> >>
>> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> >> skype?
>> >>
>> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
>> >>
>> >> Kurt
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> >> > listening
>> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >> > Subject: Skype
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants
>> us
>> >> > to
>> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
>> leery
>> >> > of
>> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
>> they
>> >> > have
>> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> >> > central
>> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
>> security
>> >> > guy
>> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
>> >> > say
>> >> > OK.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > …Tim
>> >> >
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RE: FEP 2010

[Michael B. Smith]

I like it - a lot. Less overhead, more control, better reporting. For the 
MORG/LORG - it's a great fit.

(I was on the beta program with one of my clients.)

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FEP 2010

I'd be interested to hear people's feedback on this new version.

-Original Message-
From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 1:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FEP 2010

According to 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/forefront/archive/2010/12/16/announcing-forefront-endpoint-protection-2010.aspx
it'll be on VLSC on saturday.

-Anders

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 dec 2010, at 19:56, Joseph Heaton  wrote:

> The EA part is what I meant.  Saw that it was RTM, and went to look for it on 
> our EA.
>
 Anders Blomgren  12/29/2010 10:09 AM >>>
> What do you mean by production release? It RTM'd a bit over a week 
> ago. Still not on EA though.
>
> -Anders
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 29 dec 2010, at 18:46, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when the production release is going to be?
>>
>>
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RE: FEP 2010

[James Hill]

I'd be interested to hear people's feedback on this new version.

-Original Message-
From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 31 December 2010 1:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FEP 2010

According to 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/forefront/archive/2010/12/16/announcing-forefront-endpoint-protection-2010.aspx
it'll be on VLSC on saturday.

-Anders

Sent from my iPhone

On 29 dec 2010, at 19:56, Joseph Heaton  wrote:

> The EA part is what I meant.  Saw that it was RTM, and went to look for it on 
> our EA.
>
 Anders Blomgren  12/29/2010 10:09 AM >>>
> What do you mean by production release? It RTM'd a bit over a week 
> ago. Still not on EA though.
>
> -Anders
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 29 dec 2010, at 18:46, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know when the production release is going to be?
>>
>>
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?*

Isn't that precisely how a DoS works?

Did you read the whole article or just the summary?The "client"
software, as you noted before, is operating in P2P mode, so it is both
client and server software, depending on the type of activity being
performed at that time.

While a regrettable problem, it wasn't inconceivable that something like
this could happen if things lined up right.


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Oh, and I just saw this:
>
> http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/cio_update.html: "On Wednesday,
> December 22, a cluster of support servers responsible for offline
> instant messaging became overloaded. As a result of this overload,
> some Skype clients received delayed responses from the overloaded
> servers. In a version of the Skype for Windows client (version
> 5.0.0152), the delayed responses from the overloaded servers were not
> properly processed, causing Windows clients running the affected
> version to crash."
>
> Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?
>
> I'm glad it's fixed in the newest versions, but wow...
>
> Now, I must qualify my concern - I don't care nearly as much about
> skype on phones - they're not going to live on my production network,
> and phones running Good software have corporate data relatively well
> protected. Smartphones will live on a guest network. It's the
> workstations I'm concerned about.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> > What's your main concern with Skype?
> > What aspect of security is your focus?
> >
> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
> >>
> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
> >> skype?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
> >> wrote:
> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
> >> > listening
> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: Skype
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us
> >> > to
> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
> leery
> >> > of
> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
> they
> >> > have
> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
> >> > central
> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
> security
> >> > guy
> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
> >> > say
> >> > OK.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > …Tim
> >> >
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>**Does this (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws) not
give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?*


Some pause, sure.


Plenty to worry about?  No, unless you also prohibit internet access for the
folks in your organization, since some of these are generic to internet
connectivity and standard web services use (xss flaws, etc)

More importantly, none of the flaws outlined in the article are newer than
2008.  Not to say there aren't any new ones, but they've updated the list at
least 3 times this year, but with flaws from 2008 or earlier.

There are ways to mitigate supernode access, and some of the other
functionality of Skype in an environment.

Define the threat and determine if there is sufficient mitigation or
workarounds available to handle it vs the benefits that might be derived
from the tools usage.


Back in 2006, we voted against its usage within our organization based on
the proposed use case.  Today, the technology is far more robust (the recent
meltdown notwithstanding) and the tools for mitigating VoIP risks in general
are more prevalent and mature.



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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
> such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
> end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
> not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
> that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
> purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
> inbound network traffic that you don't control.
>
> All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
> focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
> you were asking?
>
> Does this (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
> not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> > What's your main concern with Skype?
> > What aspect of security is your focus?
> >
> > ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
> >>
> >> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
> >> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
> >>
> >> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
> >> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
> >> skype?
> >>
> >> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
> >> one way or the other about allowing it?
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
> >> wrote:
> >> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
> >> > listening
> >> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: Skype
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us
> >> > to
> >> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little
> leery
> >> > of
> >> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see
> they
> >> > have
> >> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
> >> > central
> >> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the
> security
> >> > guy
> >> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
> >> > say
> >> > OK.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > …Tim
> >> >
>

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Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

Oh, and I just saw this:

http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/12/cio_update.html: "On Wednesday,
December 22, a cluster of support servers responsible for offline
instant messaging became overloaded. As a result of this overload,
some Skype clients received delayed responses from the overloaded
servers. In a version of the Skype for Windows client (version
5.0.0152), the delayed responses from the overloaded servers were not
properly processed, causing Windows clients running the affected
version to crash."

Really? A delay in response causes a crash in client software? Really?

I'm glad it's fixed in the newest versions, but wow...

Now, I must qualify my concern - I don't care nearly as much about
skype on phones - they're not going to live on my production network,
and phones running Good software have corporate data relatively well
protected. Smartphones will live on a guest network. It's the
workstations I'm concerned about.

Kurt

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> What's your main concern with Skype?
> What aspect of security is your focus?
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>>
>> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> skype?
>>
>> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> one way or the other about allowing it?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> wrote:
>> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> > listening
>> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us
>> > to
>> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery
>> > of
>> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they
>> > have
>> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> > central
>> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security
>> > guy
>> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
>> > say
>> > OK.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > …Tim
>> >
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Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

Among my concerns is that skype is a P2P technology - in itself not
such a big deal, normally - and that skype data transits all manner of
end-user machines not under anyone's control (certainly in many cases
not in the control of the putative owner). It also is intrusive in
that according to the EULA it basically owns your machine for its own
purposes, including auditing your hardware configuration and allowing
inbound network traffic that you don't control.

All aspects of computer and network security for our company is my
focus, though it's not my full time job - or is that not the question
you were asking?

Does this 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Flaws_and_potential_flaws)
not give plenty for a reasonable person to worry about?

Kurt

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:25, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
> What's your main concern with Skype?
> What aspect of security is your focus?
>
> ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>
>> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>>
>> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> skype?
>>
>> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> one way or the other about allowing it?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> wrote:
>> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> > listening
>> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us
>> > to
>> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery
>> > of
>> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they
>> > have
>> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> > central
>> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security
>> > guy
>> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
>> > say
>> > OK.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > …Tim
>> >
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

Yeah, but this focuses on on-premise VoIP solutions for the enterprise...


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr <
michealespin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a good article imo:
>
>   http://www.csoonline.com/article/478577/voip-security-the-basics
>
> --
> ME2
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
>> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>>
>> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
>> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
>> skype?
>>
>> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
>> one way or the other about allowing it?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
>> wrote:
>> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
>> listening
>> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Skype
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us
>> to
>> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery
>> of
>> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they
>> have
>> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
>> central
>> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security
>> guy
>> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to
>> say
>> > OK.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > …Tim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: Skype

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

This is a good article imo:

  http://www.csoonline.com/article/478577/voip-security-the-basics

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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>
> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
> skype?
>
> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
> one way or the other about allowing it?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
> wrote:
> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
> listening
> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Skype
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us to
> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery
> of
> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they
> have
> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
> central
> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security
> guy
> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to say
> > OK.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > …Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Skype

[Andrew S. Baker]

What's your main concern with Skype?

What aspect of security is your focus?


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
> network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..
>
> Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
> what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
> skype?
>
> Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
> one way or the other about allowing it?
>
> Kurt
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet 
> wrote:
> > We are deploying it here to a few users.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads,
> listening
> > on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Skype
> >
> >
> >
> > Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us to
> > use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery
> of
> > using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they
> have
> > a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for
> central
> > administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security
> guy
> > in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to say
> > OK.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > …Tim
> >
>

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RE: videos from hulu

[Steve Kelsay]

Yes. It does record the audio too, but it is not without problems.

-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

Snagit won't pick up the audio, will it?

-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

You can try the program "SnagIt" I've had reasonably good success with
it.
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
like
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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RE: Monitoring Software

[Jacob]

Well.. I do have a gift card for Amazon.. hmm

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

 



I know this guy that wrote a book to make it easy…. J

 

http://snurl.com/45ppf



 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

 

We still use Whats Up. I tried tackling SCOM.. I just got lost in it and I
do not have the time to play with it.  SCCM was a breezy, SCOM.. ugh!

 

From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

 

Just my opinion as someone who has tangled with SCOM recently.  You can do a
whole lot with Ops Mgr (a WHOLE LOT), but if short learning curve and
friendly GUI are two of your pre-reqs – you may want to look elsewhere.
If you can dedicate some time and training to learning it – it is a cool
product.

 

Personally, I’m still a fan of IPMonitor.  I believe Solar Winds owns them
now.  IPMonitor did everything I asked of it and was an easy set up with a
clean GUI.  It did not provide native insight into MS applications – it
primarily monitored ping and service availability, but you could have it
watch and alert based on event log entries.  If we did not already have a
large investment in SCOM here, I would be seriously looking into bringing
IPMonitor on board.

 

 

Jim Holmgren

Manager of Server Engineering

XLHealth Corporation

The Warehouse at Camden Yards

351 West Camden Street, Suite 100

Baltimore, MD 21201 

410.625.2200 (main)

443.524.8573 (direct)

443-506.2400 (cell)

www.xlhealth.com

 

 

 

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

 

Hello

 

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box ?


 

or 

 

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
enterprise level ?

 

Central Data center + local site offices too..

 

Monitoring services for example:

 

1. Exchange 2010

2. SQL monitoring.

3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x

5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.

6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare
web graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..

8. 

 

Some concerns:

---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the
better. :)

 

 

 

 

cheers

 

John 

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Re: Skype

[Kurt Buff]

This is pretty old, but I'm now being forced to allow skype on our
network, and I'm pretty unhappy about it..

Ken, is your firm still allowing skype, and if so, can you speak to
what your security folks did to make themselves happy about allowing
skype?

Has anyone else here done a security review that gave them a decision
one way or the other about allowing it?

Kurt

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 08:12, Ken Cornetet  wrote:
> We are deploying it here to a few users.
>
>
>
> I’m using group policy to turn off being a supernode, downloads, listening
> on tcp ports, and 3rd party access to the Skype API.
>
>
>
> Our security folks reviewed it and are happy.
>
>
>
> From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Skype
>
>
>
> Has anyone looked at Skype recently?  We’ve got a client that wants us to
> use Skype for communications with them. I’ve always been a little leery of
> using them in a business environment, but looking at it now, I see they have
> a MSI download for easy deployment and a group policy template for central
> administration of settings. It all looks pretty cool. While the security guy
> in me wants to say no, I’m having a hard time finding a reason not to say
> OK.
>
>
>
> I’m curious what the members of this esteemed group think about it
>
>
>
>
>
> …Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Michael B. Smith]

I know this guy that wrote a book to make it easy :)

http://snurl.com/45ppf


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

We still use Whats Up. I tried tackling SCOM.. I just got lost in it and I do 
not have the time to play with it.  SCCM was a breezy, SCOM.. ugh!

From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

Just my opinion as someone who has tangled with SCOM recently.  You can do a 
whole lot with Ops Mgr (a WHOLE LOT), but if short learning curve and friendly 
GUI are two of your pre-reqs - you may want to look elsewhere.If you can 
dedicate some time and training to learning it - it is a cool product.

Personally, I'm still a fan of IPMonitor.  I believe Solar Winds owns them now. 
 IPMonitor did everything I asked of it and was an easy set up with a clean 
GUI.  It did not provide native insight into MS applications - it primarily 
monitored ping and service availability, but you could have it watch and alert 
based on event log entries.  If we did not already have a large investment in 
SCOM here, I would be seriously looking into bringing IPMonitor on board.


Jim Holmgren
Manager of Server Engineering
XLHealth Corporation
The Warehouse at Camden Yards
351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
Baltimore, MD 21201
410.625.2200 (main)
443.524.8573 (direct)
443-506.2400 (cell)
www.xlhealth.com



From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

Hello

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box ?

or

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be 
enterprise level ?

Central Data center + local site offices too..

Monitoring services for example:

1. Exchange 2010
2. SQL monitoring.
3. Windows 2008 R2
4. Vmware 4.x
5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.
6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare 
web graphs (mrtg like )
7. Web services..
8.

Some concerns:
---
1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the 
better. :)




cheers

John

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Jacob]

We still use Whats Up. I tried tackling SCOM.. I just got lost in it and I
do not have the time to play with it.  SCCM was a breezy, SCOM.. ugh!

 

From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

 

Just my opinion as someone who has tangled with SCOM recently.  You can do a
whole lot with Ops Mgr (a WHOLE LOT), but if short learning curve and
friendly GUI are two of your pre-reqs – you may want to look elsewhere.
If you can dedicate some time and training to learning it – it is a cool
product.

 

Personally, I’m still a fan of IPMonitor.  I believe Solar Winds owns them
now.  IPMonitor did everything I asked of it and was an easy set up with a
clean GUI.  It did not provide native insight into MS applications – it
primarily monitored ping and service availability, but you could have it
watch and alert based on event log entries.  If we did not already have a
large investment in SCOM here, I would be seriously looking into bringing
IPMonitor on board.

 

 

Jim Holmgren

Manager of Server Engineering

XLHealth Corporation

The Warehouse at Camden Yards

351 West Camden Street, Suite 100

Baltimore, MD 21201 

410.625.2200 (main)

443.524.8573 (direct)

443-506.2400 (cell)

www.xlhealth.com

 

 

 

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

 

Hello

 

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box ?


 

or 

 

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
enterprise level ?

 

Central Data center + local site offices too..

 

Monitoring services for example:

 

1. Exchange 2010

2. SQL monitoring.

3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x

5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.

6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare
web graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..

8. 

 

Some concerns:

---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the
better. :)

 

 

 

 

cheers

 

John 

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RE: videos from hulu

[Michael B. Smith]

Actually, I own a license for Camtasia Studio. It didn't cross my mind (d'oh!). 
That will work great!

(Applian looks good too - thanks for those who suggested it.)

Thanks everyone!

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Tim Evans [mailto:tev...@sparling.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

Does this help:
http://www.wikihow.com/Save-Flash-Animation-from-Website

I've used applian apps for other things (not saving videos) and they have 
worked well. I thought that snagit only captured images. Camtasia can do it, 
but that seems like overkill to me. I guess it depends on how badly you want to 
save the files.

...Tim


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually, like 
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd like 
to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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Re: videos from hulu

[Roger Wright]

Are videos on hulu done with flash?  If so, there are a several flash video
download add-ins for Firefox.  I've used
Flash Video Downloader successfully with YouTube videos.


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
> like http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes)
> I'd like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
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RE: videos from hulu

[David Mazzaccaro]

You may have to get creative (microphone placed in front of speakers
perhaps), but it can!



-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

Snagit won't pick up the audio, will it?

-Original Message-
From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

You can try the program "SnagIt" I've had reasonably good success with
it.
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
like
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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RE: videos from hulu

[Maglinger, Paul]

Snagit won't pick up the audio, will it?

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From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: videos from hulu

You can try the program "SnagIt" I've had reasonably good success with
it.
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
like
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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RE: videos from hulu

[Tim Evans]

Does this help:
http://www.wikihow.com/Save-Flash-Animation-from-Website

I've used applian apps for other things (not saving videos) and they have 
worked well. I thought that snagit only captured images. Camtasia can do it, 
but that seems like overkill to me. I guess it depends on how badly you want to 
save the files.

...Tim


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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually, like 
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd like 
to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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RE: videos from hulu

[David Mazzaccaro]

You can try the program "SnagIt" I've had reasonably good success with
it.
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit/


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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
like
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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RE: videos from hulu

[Eldridge, Dave]

I use the suite from these people. Works good.

http://www.applian.com/

dave

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: videos from hulu

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually,
like
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd
like to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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videos from hulu

[Michael B. Smith]

So, there are some videos on hulu (Good Eats holiday recipes, actually, like 
http://www.hulu.com/watch/179670/good-eats-ultimate-mashed-potatoes) I'd like 
to get digitally and save. Any easy/reasonable way to do that?

Thanks.

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RE: Brain teaser with SQL Server 2005 and high page file usage. Need a sounding board

[Ziots, Edward]

Thanks much Ken, I was search the SQLCAT page trying to find the exact
explaination after looking at the counters like 3x times it defintely
looks like the commit total is what is being shown, it kinda tipped me
off when performance monitor only shows me a 25% of a 2GB paging file
being used but Task Manager shows 30GB Page file usage. 

 

Happy holidays everyone

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brain teaser with SQL Server 2005 and high page file usage.
Need a sounding board

 

http://blogs.technet.com/b/perfguru/archive/2008/01/08/explanation-of-pa
gefile-usage-as-reported-in-the-task-manager.aspx

Well known problem with Task Manager up to XP and Win2k3 Server (it's
changed in Vista/Win2k8 Server onwards)

PF Usage as reported in task manager in Windows XP and Windows Server
2003 is actually the system commit total. This number represents
potential page file usage, not actual page file usage. It is how much
page file space would be used if all the private committed virtual
memory in the system had to be paged out all at once.

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 1:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brain teaser with SQL Server 2005 and high page file usage.
Need a sounding board

 

I am starting to get that feeling also, 

 

Doing some more reading here: Troubleshooting Performance Problems in
SQL Server 2005 

 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc966540.aspx

 

It's just things aren't adding up, and I don't want folks bitching about
performance and blaming it on memory pressure or something else when it
isn't. 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Brain teaser with SQL Server 2005 and high page file usage.
Need a sounding board

 

SQL is funny with page files. What you are seeing is its potential use
of the page file, not what it is actually using at that given moment. 

 

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Brain teaser with SQL Server 2005 and high page file usage.
Need a sounding board

 

 

I have a SQL 2005 32bit 2-node cluster, each server has 36GB of RAM and
both servers are running Windows 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition. On my
primary node which is also holding the SQL Group ( SQL server) and its
associated resources, the performance monitor is showing my Page-file at
30.8GB, but the page-file is only set to a 2GB minimum and a 4GB Maximum
( I know I know its supposed to be 1.5X Memory and 2x Memory) 

 

SO when I look at the following counters I see this:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2267427/en-us

 

Memory_Committed Bytes: 31GB which is the same of what I am seeing in
the Task Manager. 

Process, Working Set, _Total: 817,385,472 ( So like 817MB)n which is
basically a multiple of 4096 ( as expected, 199557 4096K pages)

Paging File, %Pagefile%^ Usage, in use: 25% ( so this doesn't jive with
a reading of 31GB in Task manager, but does jive with a calculation from
Process (combined processes, and there pagefile usage of 1.2GB)

Memory Pages/Sec: 0 ( basically was dead quiet)

Memory Pages Output/Sec: 0 (basically no pages going out to the disk,
which is expected, since I shouldn't be seeing memory pressure with 32GB
of RAM in the server)

Memory Pages Input/sec: .8 ( Again not many pages that needed taken from
the disk to satisfy memory constrains.

Memory, Available Mbytes: 5.1GB ( which is about right, since we set the
min and max of 0-32GB in SQL Server which leaves about 5GB for the OS)

 

>From the article:

Even if the Committed Bytes value is greater than the installed RAM, a
Pages Output/sec value that is low or zero most of the time indicates
that there is not a significant performance problem that is caused by
not enough RAM.

 

The committed bytes is close to the physical ram, but the pages
output/sec is virtually nil, therefore I don't see this as a memory
constraint. 

 

Also when I look at the Process Page File Bytes ( Total) I get 938MB,
which is about 22-25% of the maximum of 4096 which is the maximum of the
paging file. 

 

So does anyone have an idea, why in the heck I would be seeing 31GB for
PF usage in the Task Manager, when the Performance Monitor counters
simply do not support that case? 

 

TIA,

EZ

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

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Re: Monitoring Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

Plenty.

ZenOSS, Nagios, Hyperic, etc...

Of course, many of those run on Linux rather than Windows, which might be a
problem for the specific environment that this solution is being requested
for.


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Miguel Gonzalez  wrote:

> And anything open source or free?
>
> Miguel
>
> --- El *jue, 30/12/10, Andrew S. Baker * escribió:
>
>
> De: Andrew S. Baker 
> Asunto: Re: Monitoring Software
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: jueves, 30 de diciembre, 2010 09:31
>
>
> +1
>
> Very flexible product which I evaluated quite a bit based on Kim's earlier
> recommendation.
>
> Another option is PRTG, which is very good BUT has high memory consumption
> if lots of WMI monitoring is utilized.
>
>
> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> * *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Kim Longenbaugh 
> http://mc/compose?to=k...@colonialsavings.com>
> > wrote:
>
> Take a look at Longitude, from Heroix.  It’s pretty comprehensive, and much
> less expensive than Solar Winds, for example.
>
>
>
> *From:* helpdesk UK 
> [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com]
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Monitoring Software
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.
>
>
>
> We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box
> ?
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
> enterprise level ?
>
>
>
> Central Data center + local site offices too..
>
>
>
> Monitoring services for example:
>
>
>
> 1. Exchange 2010
>
> 2. SQL monitoring.
>
> 3. Windows 2008 R2
>
> 4. Vmware 4.x
>
> 5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.
>
> 6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and
> prepare web graphs (mrtg like )
>
> 7. Web services..
>
> 8.
>
>
>
> Some concerns:
>
> ---
>
> 1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the
> better. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>

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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Steven M. Caesare]

Wait until you see the 3D version.

 

-sc

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Hmmm...  Let's see if we have a spare keyboard as my breakfast is now
all over this one...

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Here's a clever use of the GoPro I saw the other day:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ&feature=player_embedded

 

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

They are cool vids, not shaky at all. I must admit, I got a little
nauseous after watching them. But, I bet it's a blast!

 

That would be a cool thing to have mounted in my Jeep while offroading.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Mark Kelsay [mailto:mark.kel...@confused.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Looks like a blast.  Quality of the camera is awesome...

 

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 December 2010 19:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GoPro going 3D

 

You are correct. 

 

I don't have any of my ATV'ing vids uploaded, but here's a couple from
sledding last year.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Uay306cpk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EJqQZ8QKY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JUqciwKl8

 

 

- Sean

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Where are the vids?!

 

:-)

 

I would assume by "4 wheeling" you mean ATVs?

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: GoPro going 3D

 

I know there are some camera enthusiasts on this list. I've had my GoPro
Helmet cam for almost a year and can't say enough great things about it.
I use it while snowmobiling and 4 wheeling.

 

This just might be the excuse I need to buy a brand new 3D TV.

 

http://www.goprocamera.com/ourheros

 

- Sean



 

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Re: FEP 2010

[Anders Blomgren]

According to 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/forefront/archive/2010/12/16/announcing-forefront-endpoint-protection-2010.aspx
it'll be on VLSC on saturday.

-Anders

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On 29 dec 2010, at 19:56, Joseph Heaton  wrote:

> The EA part is what I meant.  Saw that it was RTM, and went to look for it on 
> our EA.
>
 Anders Blomgren  12/29/2010 10:09 AM >>>
> What do you mean by production release? It RTM'd a bit over a week
> ago. Still not on EA though.
>
> -Anders
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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Maglinger, Paul]

Hmmm...  Let's see if we have a spare keyboard as my breakfast is now all over 
this one...

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

Here's a clever use of the GoPro I saw the other day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ&feature=player_embedded


-sc

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

They are cool vids, not shaky at all. I must admit, I got a little nauseous 
after watching them. But, I bet it's a blast!

That would be a cool thing to have mounted in my Jeep while offroading.

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

From: Mark Kelsay [mailto:mark.kel...@confused.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

Looks like a blast.  Quality of the camera is awesome...




From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 December 2010 19:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GoPro going 3D

You are correct.

I don't have any of my ATV'ing vids uploaded, but here's a couple from sledding 
last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Uay306cpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EJqQZ8QKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JUqciwKl8


- Sean
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Don Guyer 
mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>> wrote:
Where are the vids?!

:)

I would assume by "4 wheeling" you mean ATVs?

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: GoPro going 3D

I know there are some camera enthusiasts on this list. I've had my GoPro Helmet 
cam for almost a year and can't say enough great things about it. I use it 
while snowmobiling and 4 wheeling.

This just might be the excuse I need to buy a brand new 3D TV.

http://www.goprocamera.com/ourheros

- Sean




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Re: Monitoring Software

[helpdesk UK]

Thank you for the quick response.

To be honest we are not looking at free stuff due to various
reasonshence I did not ask that question earlier but...

Having read what I have...no comments on SCOM ?

why not SCOM ??

Does it require a lot of scripting hence it is not proffered ?

OR

Does it not integrate with switches / routers easily ?
Does it not perform mrtg graphs ?
Does it require more resources ?
Does it not monitor vmware ?

OR

Once you purchase the product from MS than you basically go to 3rd parties
to buy plug-ins for SCOM ? like quest supply some modules ?


cheers

John




On 30 December 2010 15:01, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

>  http://www.nagios.org/
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:50 AM
>
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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Steven M. Caesare]

I suspect it will be an effect we see in the movies for some interesting
character perspective.

 

-sc

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Interesting results, but don't give any feel for how skillfully the
sword is manipulated so much as a feel of flying while trying to keep my
breakfast down.

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Here's a clever use of the GoPro I saw the other day:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ&feature=player_embedded

 

 

-sc

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Erik Goldoff]

http://www.nagios.org/

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:50 AM
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Subject: Re: Monitoring Software

 


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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Erik Goldoff]

Interesting results, but don’t give any feel for how skillfully the sword is
manipulated so much as a feel of flying while trying to keep my breakfast
down.

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Here’s a clever use of the GoPro I saw the other day:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ

&feature=player_embedded

 

 

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Re: Monitoring Software

[Miguel Gonzalez]

And anything open source or free?

Miguel

--- El jue, 30/12/10, Andrew S. Baker  escribió:

De: Andrew S. Baker 
Asunto: Re: Monitoring Software
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: jueves, 30 de diciembre, 2010 09:31

+1    
Very flexible product which I evaluated quite a bit based on Kim's earlier 
recommendation.


Another option is PRTG, which is very good BUT has high memory consumption if 
lots of WMI monitoring is utilized.



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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Kim Longenbaugh  
wrote:


Take a look at Longitude, from Heroix.  It’s pretty comprehensive, and much 
less expensive than Solar Winds, for example.

 From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 


Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software Hello

 We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring. We are 
not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box ? 

 or  any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be 
enterprise level ?

 Central Data center + local site offices too.. Monitoring services for 
example:

 1. Exchange 20102. SQL monitoring.3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.6. 
Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare web 
graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..8.  Some concerns:---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the 
better. :)  

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Re: Monitoring Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

+1

Very flexible product which I evaluated quite a bit based on Kim's earlier
recommendation.

Another option is PRTG, which is very good BUT has high memory consumption
if lots of WMI monitoring is utilized.


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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Kim Longenbaugh
wrote:

> Take a look at Longitude, from Heroix.  It’s pretty comprehensive, and much
> less expensive than Solar Winds, for example.
>
>
>
> *From:* helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Monitoring Software
>
>
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.
>
>
>
> We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box
> ?
>
>
>
> or
>
>
>
> any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
> enterprise level ?
>
>
>
> Central Data center + local site offices too..
>
>
>
> Monitoring services for example:
>
>
>
> 1. Exchange 2010
>
> 2. SQL monitoring.
>
> 3. Windows 2008 R2
>
> 4. Vmware 4.x
>
> 5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.
>
> 6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and
> prepare web graphs (mrtg like )
>
> 7. Web services..
>
> 8.
>
>
>
> Some concerns:
>
> ---
>
> 1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the
> better. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers
>
>
>
> John
>
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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Steven M. Caesare]

Here's a clever use of the GoPro I saw the other day:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEZZ43WrTQ&feature=player_embedded

 

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

They are cool vids, not shaky at all. I must admit, I got a little
nauseous after watching them. But, I bet it's a blast!

 

That would be a cool thing to have mounted in my Jeep while offroading.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Mark Kelsay [mailto:mark.kel...@confused.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Looks like a blast.  Quality of the camera is awesome...

 

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 December 2010 19:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GoPro going 3D

 

You are correct. 

 

I don't have any of my ATV'ing vids uploaded, but here's a couple from
sledding last year.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Uay306cpk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EJqQZ8QKY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JUqciwKl8

 

 

- Sean

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Where are the vids?!

 

:-)

 

I would assume by "4 wheeling" you mean ATVs?

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: GoPro going 3D

 

I know there are some camera enthusiasts on this list. I've had my GoPro
Helmet cam for almost a year and can't say enough great things about it.
I use it while snowmobiling and 4 wheeling.

 

This just might be the excuse I need to buy a brand new 3D TV.

 

http://www.goprocamera.com/ourheros

 

- Sean



 

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Take a look at Longitude, from Heroix.  It's pretty comprehensive, and
much less expensive than Solar Winds, for example.

 

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

 

Hello

 

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the
box ? 

 

or 

 

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
enterprise level ?

 

Central Data center + local site offices too..

 

Monitoring services for example:

 

1. Exchange 2010

2. SQL monitoring.

3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x

5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.

6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and
prepare web graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..

8. 

 

Some concerns:

---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly
the better. :)

 

 

 

 

cheers

 

John 

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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Don Guyer]

They are cool vids, not shaky at all. I must admit, I got a little
nauseous after watching them. But, I bet it's a blast!

 

That would be a cool thing to have mounted in my Jeep while offroading.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Mark Kelsay [mailto:mark.kel...@confused.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 4:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GoPro going 3D

 

Looks like a blast.  Quality of the camera is awesome...

 

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 29 December 2010 19:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GoPro going 3D

 

You are correct. 

 

I don't have any of my ATV'ing vids uploaded, but here's a couple from
sledding last year.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Uay306cpk

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EJqQZ8QKY

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JUqciwKl8

 

 

- Sean

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Where are the vids?!

 

J

 

I would assume by "4 wheeling" you mean ATVs?

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: GoPro going 3D

 

I know there are some camera enthusiasts on this list. I've had my GoPro
Helmet cam for almost a year and can't say enough great things about it.
I use it while snowmobiling and 4 wheeling.

 

This just might be the excuse I need to buy a brand new 3D TV.

 

http://www.goprocamera.com/ourheros

 

- Sean



 

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Haralson, Joe (GE Comm Fin, non-GE)]

I agree with Jim about IPMONITOR of Solar Winds. I've used it for years and it 
was a great tool. However, the Solar Winds Orion Network Performance Monitor 
takes it to the next level.  Take a look at Solar Winds, they have a lot of 
great tools and some are free.

 

Joe Haralson

Network Infrastructure Team

 

From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Monitoring Software

 

Just my opinion as someone who has tangled with SCOM recently.  You can do a 
whole lot with Ops Mgr (a WHOLE LOT), but if short learning curve and friendly 
GUI are two of your pre-reqs - you may want to look elsewhere.If you can 
dedicate some time and training to learning it - it is a cool product.

 

Personally, I'm still a fan of IPMonitor.  I believe Solar Winds owns them now. 
 IPMonitor did everything I asked of it and was an easy set up with a clean 
GUI.  It did not provide native insight into MS applications - it primarily 
monitored ping and service availability, but you could have it watch and alert 
based on event log entries.  If we did not already have a large investment in 
SCOM here, I would be seriously looking into bringing IPMonitor on board.

 

 

Jim Holmgren

Manager of Server Engineering

XLHealth Corporation

The Warehouse at Camden Yards

351 West Camden Street, Suite 100

Baltimore, MD 21201 

410.625.2200 (main)

443.524.8573 (direct)

443-506.2400 (cell)

www.xlhealth.com

 

 

 

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

 

Hello

 

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box ? 

 

or 

 

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be 
enterprise level ?

 

Central Data center + local site offices too..

 

Monitoring services for example:

 

1. Exchange 2010

2. SQL monitoring.

3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x

5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.

6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare 
web graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..

8. 

 

Some concerns:

---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the 
better. :)

 

 

 

 

cheers

 

John 

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RE: Monitoring Software

[Jim Holmgren]

Just my opinion as someone who has tangled with SCOM recently.  You can
do a whole lot with Ops Mgr (a WHOLE LOT), but if short learning curve
and friendly GUI are two of your pre-reqs - you may want to look
elsewhere.If you can dedicate some time and training to learning it
- it is a cool product.

 

Personally, I'm still a fan of IPMonitor.  I believe Solar Winds owns
them now.  IPMonitor did everything I asked of it and was an easy set up
with a clean GUI.  It did not provide native insight into MS
applications - it primarily monitored ping and service availability, but
you could have it watch and alert based on event log entries.  If we did
not already have a large investment in SCOM here, I would be seriously
looking into bringing IPMonitor on board.

 

 

Jim Holmgren

Manager of Server Engineering

XLHealth Corporation

The Warehouse at Camden Yards

351 West Camden Street, Suite 100

Baltimore, MD 21201 

410.625.2200 (main)

443.524.8573 (direct)

443-506.2400 (cell)

www.xlhealth.com

 

 

 

From: helpdesk UK [mailto:uk.helpd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:38 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Monitoring Software

 

Hello

 

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 

We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the
box ? 

 

or 

 

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
enterprise level ?

 

Central Data center + local site offices too..

 

Monitoring services for example:

 

1. Exchange 2010

2. SQL monitoring.

3. Windows 2008 R2

4. Vmware 4.x

5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.

6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and
prepare web graphs (mrtg like )

7. Web services..

8. 

 

Some concerns:

---

1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly
the better. :)

 

 

 

 

cheers

 

John 

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Monitoring Software

[helpdesk UK]

Hello

We are looking to buy a monitoring software for end to end monitoring.

 We are not sure if MS Operations Manager is the best choice out of the box
?

or

any other products you have experience with I feel the product has to be
enterprise level ?

Central Data center + local site offices too..

Monitoring services for example:

1. Exchange 2010
2. SQL monitoring.
3. Windows 2008 R2
4. Vmware 4.x
5. network links i..e mix of switches of HP L3 + Cisco 6500.
6. Bandwidth monitoring on interfaces if we have the need for it and prepare
web graphs (mrtg like )
7. Web services..
8.

Some concerns:
---
1. On site staff are not very highly skilled so the more GUI friendly the
better. :)




cheers

John

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Re: Early Friday Funny

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Watch it directly from here:

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RE: GoPro going 3D

[Mark Kelsay]

Looks like a blast.  Quality of the camera is awesome...




From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 December 2010 19:55
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GoPro going 3D

You are correct.

I don't have any of my ATV'ing vids uploaded, but here's a couple from sledding 
last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Uay306cpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0EJqQZ8QKY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JUqciwKl8


- Sean
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Don Guyer 
mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>> wrote:
Where are the vids?!

:)

I would assume by "4 wheeling" you mean ATVs?

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: GoPro going 3D

I know there are some camera enthusiasts on this list. I've had my GoPro Helmet 
cam for almost a year and can't say enough great things about it. I use it 
while snowmobiling and 4 wheeling.

This just might be the excuse I need to buy a brand new 3D TV.

http://www.goprocamera.com/ourheros

- Sean




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