Blackberry issues again?

[James Rankin]

I may be going mad but has anyone else noticed whether BB email appears to
be down again (at least here in the UK)?

Haven't had a message since 7am this morning on the BB which is unusual, if
it is another outage and not just a problem with my handset, I may change
to one of those fancy new Nokia Windows phones.

Cheers,



JRR

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Re: Blackberry issues again?

[James Rankin]

And just as I send this - I get a flood of emails

Typical :-)

On 17 November 2011 10:14, James Rankin  wrote:

>  I may be going mad but has anyone else noticed whether BB email appears
> to be down again (at least here in the UK)?
>
> Haven't had a message since 7am this morning on the BB which is unusual,
> if it is another outage and not just a problem with my handset, I may
> change to one of those fancy new Nokia Windows phones.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JRR
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
> ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *
>
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> you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a
> mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and
> destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken
> this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer,
> because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide
> afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. *
>
> *The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
> information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a
> pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But
> should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it,
> and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However,
> if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding
> liability for transmission.
> *
>
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> please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's
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> refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought
> when you went to Pets** **At Home yesterday. *
>
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> implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving,
> or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all
> liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter
> what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! *
>
> *The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of
> my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier
> side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for
> afternoon tea. *
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the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

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If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and
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However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you
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mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and
destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken
this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer,
because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide
afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. *

*The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a
pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But
should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it,
and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However,
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liability for transmission.
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*In the event that the originator did not send this

RE: Blackberry issues again?

[Simon Butler]

Both BES and BIS are working for me right now, going by the number of emails I 
am getting this morning from one correspondent.
My BES Blackberry is fine, and her BIS Blackberry is fine.

Simon.

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 10:17
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry issues again?

I may be going mad but has anyone else noticed whether BB email appears to be 
down again (at least here in the UK)?

Haven't had a message since 7am this morning on the BB which is unusual, if it 
is another outage and not just a problem with my handset, I may change to one 
of those fancy new Nokia Windows phones.

Cheers,



JRR

--
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

* IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If 
you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore 
you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the 
contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the 
intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, 
you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily 
in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, 
you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also 
committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress..

The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the 
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a 
pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should 
you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please 
pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass 
them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for 
transmission.

In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please 
return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife 
wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly 
half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets 
At Home yesterday.

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Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you 
do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that 
either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you 
may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from 
time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, 
where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR 
FAULT!

The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my 
employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of 
the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea.


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Re: software

[Andrew S. Baker]

It's a combination of open-source tools for security.  Works well for many
smaller configurations.  Has some commercial modules as well.

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Jack  wrote:

> **
>
> Does anyone in this group have any experience with a product called
> Untangle?  Untangel.com 
>
> ** **
>
> One of my staff came across this product and it almost sound too good to
> be true
>
>
>
> It appears to be a firewall product but since that is not my area I am not
> totally sure if this is any good or not
>
>
>
> Thanks for any advice about this.
>
>
>
> Jack Smrekar
>
>
>

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Re: Free PDF creator/printer for Win 7

[Erik Goldoff]

tumips  :)

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:
> > footnote, from comments on the sourceforge.net site regarding
> PDFCreator :
> >
> > Formerly a big fan running older version. Was not happy to find out, upon
> > downloading the most current version, that it contains unavoidable
> spyware.
>
>  The reviewers saying that are idiots.  (This is the Internet, after all.)
>
>  PDFCreator's installer does bundle an *optional* advertising toolbar
> (Yahoo's, IIRC).  A panel of the install wizard is dedicated to this
> fact, complete with a screenshot of the toolbar, and a checkbox.
> Un-check the box and you don't get the toolbar.  The turnips clicking
> "Next" without looking are getting the toolbar.
>
>  While I'm certainly no fan of bundled adware, PDFCreator is hardly
> the only one doing so ("Download Windows Search to improve history and
> favorites results"), and you can easily opt-out.
>
> -- Ben
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RE: Adobe Acorbat: Changes Default Printer

[David Lum]

Don't sweat it Scott, I got what you were sayin'!

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 4:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Acorbat: Changes Default Printer

I am serious...and, don't call me Shirley.

[meta-explanation: Neither this email nor my previous are meant as anything 
other than light...very light attempts at humor.]

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Adobe Acorbat: Changes Default Printer

Surely, you can't be serious.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Crawford, Scott 
mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu>> wrote:
Yes, but his email is just a couple of statements.

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Adobe Acorbat: Changes Default Printer

Is this a question?
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 5:01 PM, justino garcia 
mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
After using Adobe Acrobat, the default printer is changed. I belive when I am 
saving to pdf.

Thanks,

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Re: software

[Roger Wright]

I played with Untangle about 3 years ago and was quite impressed.  Used it
to setup a DMZ and do some AV & Spam filtering.


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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Jack  wrote:

> **
>
> Does anyone in this group have any experience with a product called
> Untangle?  Untangel.com 
>
> ** **
>
> One of my staff came across this product and it almost sound too good to
> be true
>
>
>
> It appears to be a firewall product but since that is not my area I am not
> totally sure if this is any good or not
>
>
>
> Thanks for any advice about this.
>
>
>
> Jack Smrekar
>
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RE: software

[Osborne, Richard]

We use Untangle to lockdown the free wireless we provide for visitors.
It works very well for us.

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: software

 

I played with Untangle about 3 years ago and was quite impressed.  Used
it to setup a DMZ and do some AV & Spam filtering.


Roger Wright
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space?

 

 





On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Jack  wrote:

Does anyone in this group have any experience with a product called
Untangle?  Untangel.com 

 

One of my staff came across this product and it almost sound too good to
be true

 

It appears to be a firewall product but since that is not my area I am
not totally sure if this is any good or not

 

Thanks for any advice about this.

 

Jack Smrekar

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RE: software

[Paul Hutchings]

No catch, free in the same way m0nowall, pfsense and lots of other firewall 
distros are open source/free with certain limitations.

Paul

From: Jack [mailto:jsmre...@new.rr.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 05:08
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: software

Does anyone in this group have any experience with a product called Untangle?  
Untangel.com

One of my staff came across this product and it almost sound too good to be true

It appears to be a firewall product but since that is not my area I am not 
totally sure if this is any good or not

Thanks for any advice about this.

Jack Smrekar

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Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
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RE: Backup Software

[John C Owen]

We use Symantec Backup Exec 2010 which gives us lots of backup features

But if they forget to put in the next tape, they will forget to swap out the 
drive as well

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

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Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
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Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on
a daily/weekly basis?

(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a
> disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We
> currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm
> tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in.
>
> I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings
> on what's not so good.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
>
>

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RE: Backup Software

[Maglinger, Paul]

Or if they forget to leave a slot open...

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

Budget?
Date volume?
Data type?
Internet connection (upstream and downstream)?

Lots of options, but some/all of the above will have a lot of input on what is 
practical.

From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Paul Hutchings]

So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear 
than they did prior to the upgrade.

Paul

From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I 
have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer 
to appear.

Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Erik Goldoff]

not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  

but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see
them back in my gmail...

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to
> appear than they did prior to the upgrade.
>
> Paul
>  --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *Sent:* 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>
>   Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free
> resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are
> taking a lot longer to appear.
>
>
>
> Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>  --
>  *MIRA Ltd*
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
>  Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
> VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
>
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Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

We have 3 locations with 10 servers


Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
 |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?


(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


  





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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com  




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Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Nor I. :)

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

> not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  
>
> but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see
> them back in my gmail...
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings <
> paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>  So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to
>> appear than they did prior to the upgrade.
>>
>> Paul
>>  --
>> *From:* Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> *Sent:* 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>>
>>   Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free
>> resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are
>> taking a lot longer to appear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>  --
>>  *MIRA Ltd*
>>
>>

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Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

Most D2D solutions are going to do something different than "incrementals"
in the traditional sense.

They'll likely do a main full backup, and overlay a series of deltas in
what some vendors refer to as a "virtual full backup"

Either way, Microsoft DPM is worth a look...

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> We have 3 locations with 10 servers
>
> Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
>|  |
>|  |
> Wireless BridgeVPN
> (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
>|  |
>|  |
> Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
> (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
>350 GB of Data250 GB of Data
>
> We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available
> storage.
>
> Budget: $7500
>
> My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so
> the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur
> multiple times a day using VSS.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
> *Subject:* Re: Backup Software
>
>
> What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on
> a daily/weekly basis?
>
> (One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
>  )
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung wrote:
>
>> **
>> I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a
>> disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We
>> currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm
>> tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings
>> on what's not so good.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bob Hartung
>> Dir of I.T.
>> Wisco Industries, Inc.
>> 736 Janesville St.
>> Oregon, WI 53575
>> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
>> Fax: (608) 835-7399
>> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>>
>>
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RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Paul Hutchings]

That's how it used to be.  Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes 
usually.

It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp 
gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was flicked 
it only happened after the upgrade.

Paul

From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  

but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them 
back in my gmail...

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear 
than they did prior to the upgrade.

Paul

From: Paul Hutchings 
[paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I 
have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer 
to appear.

Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.

Thanks,
Paul

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RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.

Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites?

You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?

Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?

What do you do now for backup?

Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

We have 3 locations with 10 servers

Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
   |  |
Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
   |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?

(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung 
mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com>> wrote:
I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com


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RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[David Lum]

It's the damn OccupyWallSteet movement, they have so many people Facebookin and 
twittering it it's killing this lists speed

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

That's how it used to be.  Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes 
usually.

It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp 
gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was flicked 
it only happened after the upgrade.

Paul

From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  

but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them 
back in my gmail...
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear 
than they did prior to the upgrade.

Paul

From: Paul Hutchings 
[paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
Obviously this isn't a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I 
have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer 
to appear.

Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.

Thanks,
Paul

MIRA Ltd

Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84

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Group Policy processing problems

[Glen Johnson]

Pardon the long email, but the explanation and back info might be helpful.
We have 3 x 2008 R2 sp1 domain controllers, 2008 domain and forest functional 
level.
My testing is on a Win 7 X64 sp1 workstation.
For quite some time, maybe a year or more, login scripts, group policy settings 
and software assignments to computers have been unreliable.
So things slowed a bit and with all the Adobe Reader and Flash updates I 
thought it was time to get this working better.
After a day and a half, I'm not much closer.
What I've done so far.
About 2 weeks ago, set up assigned Adobe reader 9.4.6 in group policy and all 
is good.
This week, I want to update flash.
I've been installing flash via gpo for a while but have just recently found 
that lots of machines aren't getting the updates.  Maybe not the reader updates 
also.
So I start looking into the event logs on my machine.
First one was 5719 computer was unable to set up a secure session with domain 
controller.
Googled that and found one post that said to set group policy Startup Policy 
Processing Wait time.
Set that to the default 120 seconds.
Next error is 1014 name resolution for _ldap._tcp.msdcs.domain time out.
Ran nslookup _ldap._tcp.msdcs.domain and I get a valid response from all 3 
domain controllers.
So is it still a timing issue with the network not coming up fast enough or 
something similar.
I ran dcdiag /v and dcdiag /test:dns on all the domain controllers.  Everything 
comes back clean except one DC says no  records for the 3 servers.
IPv6 is enabled on the DCs and I've read not to disable it as we are running 
exchange 2010.  I don't think that error is relevant anyway.
Odd that only one DC reports that error even though none of the 3 domain 
controllers have  records.
Portfast is enabled on the switch port.  Nic driver is the latest from Dell, 
Intel 8257 gig Ethernet.
Tried setting the nic and switch port to 100 full, 1000 full and no help.
Tried connecting the workstation to a different, dumb switch.   No help.
Installed KB2459530-v3-x64 after finding an article from MS in reference to a 
TCP/IP bug in win 7.  No help
Group policy set to always wait for network at boot and logon enabled.
Negative DC discovery Cache Setting enabled and set to 0 from default of 45
Startup policy processing wait time enabled and set to 120 seconds.
Right now the event log errors are, 5717, no secure session with domain 
controller, 1014 name resolution for __ldap._tcp.dc._msdcs.domain and 130, ntp 
unable to set a domain peer.
I can browse to the installation point, and the permissions allow domain 
computer and users read and execute.
Any more ideas as to how to fix this?


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RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Maglinger, Paul]

Maybe it's a OccupyLyris movement.  Egad!

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

It's the damn OccupyWallSteet movement, they have so many people Facebookin and 
twittering it it's killing this lists speed

From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

That's how it used to be.  Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes 
usually.

It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp 
gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was flicked 
it only happened after the upgrade.

Paul

From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  

but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them 
back in my gmail...
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear 
than they did prior to the upgrade.

Paul

From: Paul Hutchings 
[paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
Obviously this isn't a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I 
have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer 
to appear.

Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.

Thanks,
Paul

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RE: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

See below...

--

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Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software


With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.




Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote 
sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.



  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.


  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.


  


What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.


  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are   
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the   backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on   people at 
the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to   do it at all.

  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 |  |
  Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
  (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

  We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.
  
  Budget: $7500
  
  My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so 
the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple 
times a day using VSS.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  
  What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?  


(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )
  
  
  


  
  

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:
  
I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot   to put the next tape in.
  
  I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.
  
  Thanks.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com  




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Re: Symantec (SEPM)

[Erik Goldoff]

who is your Symantec support engineer ?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Troy Adkins wrote:

> Has anyone upgraded to Symantec Endpoint Protection Manager (SEPM) v12.1?
>
> We are at v11.06a now, and wanted to know if there are any complications
> in upgrading to v12.1
>
> Thanks,
> Troy
>
> Troy Adkins
> Network Administrator
> Virginia House of Delegates
> General Assembly Bldg. Room 815
> 804.698.1567 (O)
> 804.771.7917 (F)
> tadk...@house.virginia.gov
> http://legis.virginia.gov
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RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because we 
used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and switched to 
it and I've never looked back.

They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you 
license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use any 
mix of their agents to do it.

The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down on the 
amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some rather funky 
synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial "proper" full 
backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run incremental backups.

The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that budget, but 
end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do something - I would 
certainly be asking the question of a reseller.

The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the problems 
you're having isn't cheap.

Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but seems 
to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today looking at 
backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something about Unitrends - 
they have some interesting looking pricing models.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup Software

See below...

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software

With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
Server backups.

Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites?
I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.

Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?
No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.

What do you do now for backup?
Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.

Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.
I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being able 
to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup window and 
reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at the remote site 
to put the right tape in, if they remember to do it at all.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

We have 3 locations with 10 servers

Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
   |  |
Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
   |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Andrew

RE: Backup Software

[Matthew W. Ross]

You have a budget, so take these less expensive solutions with a grain of salt:

DFS-R: I would begin making sure your data is replicated to a single location 
so that it can easily be backed up, and you seem to have everything you need to 
do it with DFS-R. As long as your Windows 2003 servers are R2, you're set. Just 
replicate the important data back to home base, and perform the backups against 
that. DFS-R is very bandwidth efficient and can be scheduled to run with 
little-to-no bandwidth during on-peak hours and full bandwidth at off-peak 
hours.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb540031%28v=VS.85%29.aspx

---

BackupPC: I can't recommend enough the open source BackupPC software. BackupPC 
pulls data from your servers over SMB, NFS, or RSYNC (or SSH for Unix OSs). 
Yes, it requires Linux, but it is extremely capable and easy to use. 
Incremental and full backup options, per-file deduplication, and archive 
options for tape, cd, or DVD offsite archival.

http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/

---

I hope you find the solution you're working for.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Bob Hartung
[mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011
11:28:48 -0800
Subject: RE: Backup Software


> See below...
> 
> --
> 
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>   _  
> 
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
> Subject: RE: Backup Software
> 
> 
> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server
> backups.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote
> sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The
> plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the
> backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental
> backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or
> are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just
> mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage
> space.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is
> the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on
> daily.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window. 
> Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape
> libraries (kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if
> you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your
> backups will still run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My
> main concerns are   being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or
> eliminate the   backup window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and
> depending on   people at the remote site to put the right tape in, if they
> remember to   do it at all.
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> _  
> 
>   
> From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
>   Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: Re: Backup Software
>   
> 
>   
> We have 3 locations with 10 servers
>   
> 
>   Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
>  |  |
>  |  |
>   Wireless BridgeVPN
>   (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
>  |  |
>  |  |
>   Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
>   (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
>  350 GB of Data250 GB of Data
> 
>   We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available
> storage.
>   
>   Budget: $7500
>   
>   My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so
> the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple
> times a day using VSS.
>   
>   --
>   
>   Bob Hartung
>   Dir of I.T.

RE: Whitelisting Pros & Cons?

[Crawford, Scott]

"In the end if white listing replaced anti-virus then attackers would simply 
raise the bar and make sure that their vulnerability exploits did not simply 
download and directly execute executable code. They would do behaviors in 
memory to simply defeat and bypass white listing technology."

This is the point I've been trying (with mixed success) to make. My suggestion 
has been to also add blacklisting to look for malicious signatures within the 
pdf, jpg, etc.  It seems to me that any given application vulnerability will be 
exploitable through a relatively easy to identify signature. Obviously, the 
payload could be any number of things, but the actual exploitation should be 
much easier to identify than the plethora of AV signatures that continually 
mutate. One could further reduce the number of signatures to keep on hand by 
only looking for exploits in recent versions of applications.

From: Marc Maiffret [mailto:mmaiff...@eeye.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whitelisting Pros & Cons?

Thoughts on AV, white listing, and endpoint security futures... and yes in my 
classic terrible grammar, stream of conscious, style of writing... sorry 
NTSYSADMIN'ers! :)

Anti-virus does an amazing job for what it was originally created for: The 
prevention of known bad files.

The problem is that most malware these days is highly dynamic and as such we 
are increasingly living in a world of unknown malware and AV was not made to 
prevent unknown malware.

Anti-virus vendors are trying to Band-Aid their signature problem by having new 
systems that hopefully generate signatures faster. This is all the stuff the AV 
companies advertise around their cloud information sharing systems etc... AV 
still requires some level of companies to be compromised to know there is a new 
piece of malware that needs a signature. The "cloud stuff" (I forget everyone's 
marketing terms) helps to make it so that AV can create a signature but 
hopefully with less companies compromised and in a shorter amount of time.

White listing can help prevent unknown malware because it can prevent unknown 
executable code from executing.

This is of course not without time to manage, configure, and make sure all your 
legitimate apps at first deployment, and over the course of time, are properly 
white listed. But we will skip the management aspect for now and focus on what 
works prevention wise and what the limitations are.

Stepping back from a solution perspective let's look at the problem: Systems 
being compromised and infected with malware.

The majority of malware infections happen from one of two ways:

1.   User exploitation - User simply runs a piece of malicious code 
(web/usb/email/etc) and no exploit is involved, only trickery.

2.   Vulnerability exploitation - User is either targeted or through normal 
web browsing, and is infected with malware via an exploit leveraging an unknown 
or unpatched software vulnerability.

User Exploitation - This is a very common reason that malware ends up on 
systems. Think of all of the times you have had to clean up systems with fake 
anti-virus type of software etc... This is an area where anti-virus is simply 
failing because when the malware is delivered to one of your users it is being 
handed off by a server that is doing automated morphing of the executable in a 
way as to evade anti-virus signatures. I.E. The malicious executable has the 
exact same behavior on every system but the signature of that executable is 
different for every system it is delivered to. White listing is very helpful in 
preventing this type of malware because essentially it is a user running an 
unknown program and by virtue of white listing your blocking all unknown 
programs. This is why you will hear people talk about having installed these 
solutions and their level of malware has simply gone down.

Vulnerability Exploitation - The other way systems are compromised is not by 
users just clicking on things but by attackers actively leveraging unknown or 
unpatched software vulnerabilities. In this case what ends up happening is a 
user will receive something like a PDF document via email or will be served 
malicious javascript/html/etc via a website and in either case there will be an 
exploit that leverages a vulnerability within some software you have installed 
on the system. When the exploit takes place it will start to leverage a 
software vulnerability typically to run malicious code within the memory space 
of the vulnerable software.

I.E. A user is browsing a website, embedded javascript spawns a window with an 
Adobe PDF files, the PDF file automatically loads, exploit code leverages a 
vulnerability within the PDF, exploit code starts running malicious "shellcode" 
within that Adobe program, that exploit shellcode then delivers its payload.

The payload is typically the exploit downloading a malicious executable from 
another website and t

Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

Thanks, I'll take a look.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:24:57 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Most D2D solutions are going to do something different than "incrementals" in 
the traditional sense.


They'll likely do a main full backup, and overlay a series of deltas in what 
some vendors refer to as a "virtual full backup"


Either way, Microsoft DPM is worth a look...


  





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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  We have 3 locations with 10 servers


Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
 |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.


--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software


What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?



(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


  





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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:




  I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

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Wisco Industries, Inc.
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Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
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Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

I plan to check both of them out.

My current disk-to-disk-tape backup at Main location uses 400 GB of space.

Thanks.

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Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:48:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Take a look at Ultrabac, in addition to the earlier Microsoft DPM 
recommendation.


BTW, I think Paul was hoping you'd give a total storage count at some point, as 
you did not indicate the total size of storage under management for the primary 
location.


  





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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  See below...


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Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]

To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software



With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.





Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote 
sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.




  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.



  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.



  


What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.



  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are   
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the   backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on   people at 
the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to   do it at all.




  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 |  |
  Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
  (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

  We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.
  
  Budget: $7500
  
  My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so 
the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple 
times a day using VSS.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  
  What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?  


(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.micro

RE: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

Thanks. These are on my list to check out.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:50:52 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software


Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because we 
used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and switched to 
it and I've never looked   back.  


They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you 
license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use any 
mix of their agents to do it.  


The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down on the 
amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some rather funky 
synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial "proper" full 
backup, and from that   point onwards you only ever run incremental backups.  


The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that budget, but 
end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do something - I would 
certainly be asking the question of a reseller.  


The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the problems 
you're having isn't cheap.  


Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but seems 
to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today looking at 
backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something about Unitrends - 
they have some interesting   looking pricing models.  

  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Backup Software
  

  
See below...
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
  Subject: RE: Backup Software
  
  
With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.




Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites? 
 I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed   since the last backup. Most of the 
backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental 
backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
  

  
  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?  Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.

  
  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?  No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on 
daily.

  
  


What do you do now for backup?  Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.

  
  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.  I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are 
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at the 
remote site to put the right tape   in, if they remember to do it at all.
  
  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 |  |
  Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
  (1

Re: Whitelisting Pros & Cons?

[Rankin, James R]

Defense in depth, the layered approach is the only way. White/greylisting is 
much more effective but in the end having multiple layers is the only way to be 
truly secure. However application management CAN reduce your reliance (and 
therefore performance and management overhead) on realtime AV scanning. As more 
servers, apps and desktops become virtual, performance is key. Switching to 
scheduled scans only is the next step.

But you must always have multiple layers. Its not a duplication of effort when 
you are faced with adapting and evolving threats.

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: "Crawford, Scott" 
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:58:50 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Whitelisting Pros & Cons?

"In the end if white listing replaced anti-virus then attackers would simply 
raise the bar and make sure that their vulnerability exploits did not simply 
download and directly execute executable code. They would do behaviors in 
memory to simply defeat and bypass white listing technology."

This is the point I've been trying (with mixed success) to make. My suggestion 
has been to also add blacklisting to look for malicious signatures within the 
pdf, jpg, etc.  It seems to me that any given application vulnerability will be 
exploitable through a relatively easy to identify signature. Obviously, the 
payload could be any number of things, but the actual exploitation should be 
much easier to identify than the plethora of AV signatures that continually 
mutate. One could further reduce the number of signatures to keep on hand by 
only looking for exploits in recent versions of applications.

From: Marc Maiffret [mailto:mmaiff...@eeye.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Whitelisting Pros & Cons?

Thoughts on AV, white listing, and endpoint security futures... and yes in my 
classic terrible grammar, stream of conscious, style of writing... sorry 
NTSYSADMIN'ers! :)

Anti-virus does an amazing job for what it was originally created for: The 
prevention of known bad files.

The problem is that most malware these days is highly dynamic and as such we 
are increasingly living in a world of unknown malware and AV was not made to 
prevent unknown malware.

Anti-virus vendors are trying to Band-Aid their signature problem by having new 
systems that hopefully generate signatures faster. This is all the stuff the AV 
companies advertise around their cloud information sharing systems etc... AV 
still requires some level of companies to be compromised to know there is a new 
piece of malware that needs a signature. The "cloud stuff" (I forget everyone's 
marketing terms) helps to make it so that AV can create a signature but 
hopefully with less companies compromised and in a shorter amount of time.

White listing can help prevent unknown malware because it can prevent unknown 
executable code from executing.

This is of course not without time to manage, configure, and make sure all your 
legitimate apps at first deployment, and over the course of time, are properly 
white listed. But we will skip the management aspect for now and focus on what 
works prevention wise and what the limitations are.

Stepping back from a solution perspective let's look at the problem: Systems 
being compromised and infected with malware.

The majority of malware infections happen from one of two ways:

1.   User exploitation - User simply runs a piece of malicious code 
(web/usb/email/etc) and no exploit is involved, only trickery.

2.   Vulnerability exploitation - User is either targeted or through normal 
web browsing, and is infected with malware via an exploit leveraging an unknown 
or unpatched software vulnerability.

User Exploitation - This is a very common reason that malware ends up on 
systems. Think of all of the times you have had to clean up systems with fake 
anti-virus type of software etc... This is an area where anti-virus is simply 
failing because when the malware is delivered to one of your users it is being 
handed off by a server that is doing automated morphing of the executable in a 
way as to evade anti-virus signatures. I.E. The malicious executable has the 
exact same behavior on every system but the signature of that executable is 
different for every system it is delivered to. White listing is very helpful in 
preventing this type of malware because essentially it is a user running an 
unknown program and by virtue of white listing your blocking all unknown 
programs. This is why you will hear people talk about having installed these 
solutions and their level of malware has simply gone down.

Vulnerability Exploitation - The other way systems are compromised is not by 
users just clicking on things but by attackers actively leveraging unknown or 
unpatched software vulnerabilities. In this case what ends up happening is a 
user will receive something like a PDF document via e

Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

At 400GB, you have lots of options...

Look at Acronis as well.

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> Thanks. These are on my list to check out.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:50:52 -0600
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
> Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because
> we used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and
> switched to it and I've never looked back.
>
>  They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you
> license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use
> any mix of their agents to do it.
>
>  The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down
> on the amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some
> rather funky synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial
> "proper" full backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run
> incremental backups.
>
>  The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that
> budget, but end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do
> something - I would certainly be asking the question of a reseller.
>
>  The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the
> problems you're having isn't cheap.
>
>  Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but
> seems to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today
> looking at backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something
> about Unitrends - they have some interesting looking pricing models.
>
>  --
> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
>  See below...
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
>
> Server backups.
>
>
>  Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote
> sites?
>
> I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location.
> The plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of
> the backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the
> incremental backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
>
>
>  You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup
> to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
>
> Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional
> storage space.
>
>
>  Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so,
> what is the data split?
>
> No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.
>
>
>  What do you do now for backup?
>
> Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
>
>
>  Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.
>  Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor,
> tape libraries (kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and
> if you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your
> backups will still run.
>
> I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being
> able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup
> window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at
> the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to do it at all.
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Backup Software
>
>  We have 3 locations with 10 servers
>
> Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
>|  |
>|  |
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Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Kurt Buff]

Perhaps it's *you* being greylisted? :)

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:46, Paul Hutchings  wrote:
> That's how it used to be.  Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes
> usually.
> It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp
> gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was
> flicked it only happened after the upgrade.
> Paul
> 
> From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>
> not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  
>
> but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them
> back in my gmail...
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings 
> wrote:
>>
>> So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer to
>> appear than they did prior to the upgrade.
>> Paul
>> 
>> From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>>
>> Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources
>> I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot
>> longer to appear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
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RE: OpenDNS

[Bourque Daniel]

Did OpenDns approved the network yet?



De : David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Envoyé : 17 novembre 2011 17:59
À : NT System Admin Issues
Objet : OpenDNS



I tried to hook a friend up with OpenDNS - she created an account, assigned a 
network and all is good, except "Web Filtering" isn't an option for her 
account. In the console it should be above "Security" there's nuthin'.

 

It's not the browser because I log into my OpenDNS and see the option, I log 
into hers from the same machine...nuthin'

 

Yeah I could e-mail OpenDNS but I figured I can fire off a mail to you guys 
just as easy J.

 

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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RE: OpenDNS

[David Lum]

Yep.

From: Bourque Daniel [mailto:daniel.bour...@loto-quebec.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OpenDNS

Did OpenDns approved the network yet?


De : David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Envoyé : 17 novembre 2011 17:59
À : NT System Admin Issues
Objet : OpenDNS
I tried to hook a friend up with OpenDNS - she created an account, assigned a 
network and all is good, except "Web Filtering" isn't an option for her 
account. In the console it should be above "Security" there's nuthin'.

It's not the browser because I log into my OpenDNS and see the option, I log 
into hers from the same machine.nuthin'

Yeah I could e-mail OpenDNS but I figured I can fire off a mail to you guys 
just as easy :).

David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764


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Re: OpenDNS

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> Yeah I could e-mail OpenDNS but I figured I can fire off a mail to you guys
> just as easy J.

  Since it's just as easy to email them as us, why not email them,
since they can just tell you what's going on, and all we can do is
guess?  :)

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Redundant DNS

[John Gwinner]

On our SMTP hosting provider, they have 'redundant' DNS entries for the same 
FQDN:

[C:\]nslookup server1.inboundmx.com
Server:  abc.xyz.local
Address:  192.168.253.254

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:server1.inboundmx.com
Addresses:  216.82.253.99
  216.82.255.3
  216.82.242.99
  216.82.242.115
  216.82.250.115

My question to the group - can this general idea be used to create 'backup' web 
servers?

i.e.:

www.mycorp.com 1.2.3.4
www.mycorp.com 4.5.6.7

The way inboundMX described it, it was more of a load balancing thing.  I don't 
think a client stack will know to query DNS 'again' if the first IP address was 
down.

Is this kosher?

I couldn't see a way on the big registrars to have multiple "A" records anyway, 
so it may not be possible, but I thought I'd check.
 == John ==
John Gwinner | Director of Technology
DAZSI /Oracle Business Applications
310.640.1300 (office) | 310.640.9900 (fax)
880 Apollo Street - Ste. 201 | El Segundo CA 90245

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Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

[Kurt Buff]

All,

I'm dealing with our AU office, trying to satisfy their requirements
for patching their servers, and I'm running into a bit of a bind.

They have a very long backup window on the weekend (23:00 Friday to
roughly noon Monday, local time).

This makes it a bit tricky to stage the patches, because they have a
fairly high-latency link, and no WSUS server in their office.

Compounding the problem is that their 17:00 Friday is our 23:00
Thursday, and the way WSUS does its updates is by client polling,
rather than a push, and that makes the interactions between variations
in client polling times, who's logged onto a machine, and variations
in download times required for patches from the US office make it just
a bit too random for comfort.

I don't want to kill one of their week night backups if I can help it,
and I don't have resources in that office at the moment to install
WSUS in the AU office.

I thought I saw at some point in the documentation that I could
approve patches for download in WSUS, but it seems that it's only
downloading to the WSUS server, not to the client, now that I've gone
back and read through what seem to be the relevant portions of the
document.

Am I correct on the above - cannot approve downloads to clients?

Ultimately I'm hoping SCCM will fix this, but we're at least 6-9
months out from implementing that.

I don't want to try to stage monthly patches manually - I have minions
who should be pulling the triggers on patching, and they're not yet
sophisticated enough to pull off identifying all of the relevant
patches and chaining them, etc., nor do I want them to have to RDP to
5-6 servers individually to visit MSFT's update site, as that would
get old quickly.

If anyone has some thoughts on this, I'd be all ears.

Kurt

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RE: Redundant DNS

[Brian Desmond]

You're correct that it's several layers up with the failover. SMTP servers know 
how to do this - web browsers don't. You'd get about a 50% fail ratio if one of 
your two web servers was down in the listed config.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: John Gwinner [mailto:jgwin...@dazsi.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Redundant DNS

On our SMTP hosting provider, they have 'redundant' DNS entries for the same 
FQDN:

[C:\]nslookup server1.inboundmx.com
Server:  abc.xyz.local
Address:  192.168.253.254

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:server1.inboundmx.com
Addresses:  216.82.253.99
  216.82.255.3
  216.82.242.99
  216.82.242.115
  216.82.250.115

My question to the group - can this general idea be used to create 'backup' web 
servers?

i.e.:

www.mycorp.com 1.2.3.4
www.mycorp.com 4.5.6.7

The way inboundMX described it, it was more of a load balancing thing.  I don't 
think a client stack will know to query DNS 'again' if the first IP address was 
down.

Is this kosher?

I couldn't see a way on the big registrars to have multiple "A" records anyway, 
so it may not be possible, but I thought I'd check.
 == John ==
John Gwinner | Director of Technology
DAZSI /Oracle Business Applications
310.640.1300 (office) | 310.640.9900 (fax)
880 Apollo Street - Ste. 201 | El Segundo CA 90245

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Re: Redundant DNS

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:18 PM, John Gwinner  wrote:
> On our SMTP hosting provider, they have ‘redundant’ DNS entries for the same 
> FQDN:

  You can certainly have multiple A records associated with a single
domain name.  This is often called "round robin DNS", as most
full-service DNS resolvers will rotate the answer record set with each
query.

> My question to the group – can this general idea be used to
> create ‘backup’ web servers?

  Sort of.

> I don’t think a client stack will know to query DNS ‘again’
> if the first IP address was down.

  Exactly.

  There are multiple pieces involved.  There's the full-service DNS
resolver you happen to be using -- typically your ISP's nameservers,
or maybe your friendly-neighborhood Active Directory Domain
Controllers.  Then there's the client DNS resolver on the client
computer, which may be dumb ("stub resolver"), or caching (as with
Windows).  Then there's the actual network application software, i.e.,
the web browser, and whatever libraries it uses.

  When multiple A records exist, it's implementation-dependent as to
what happens on the client.  Some programs just call gethostbyname()
(or the equivalent) on the name they've been given, use whatever
address comes first, and abort if that fails.  Some will try each
address in turn until a connect() succeeds.  Some do other things.

  Things are further complicated by the fact that most web browsers
are complicated beasts, and do various caching internally.  So they
may get an address and stick with it until you quit the browser
program entirely.

  So if a web server goes down, it's anyone's guess what clients will
end up doing.

  Round robin DNS is more useful for load-balancing, as your SMTP
provider says.  Even then, it's not intelligent load-balancing.  You
can get unlucky and have a bunch of people using one server, just
because things worked out that way.  There's no way to influence the
ordering of the records returned.

> Is this kosher?

  It's completely legal in terms of the standards.  Whether it's a
good idea or not depends on what you're trying to do.  See above.  :)

> I couldn’t see a way on the big registrars to have multiple “A” records
> anyway, so it may not be possible, but I thought I’d check.

  Most of the web UIs I've seen for managing DNS present a rather
simplified view of things, which usually doesn't reflect how DNS
actually works.

  That said, I use DomainMonger.com as my cheap-but-decent
registrar/DNS host, and their web UI allows one to enter multiple A
records per name.

  Also, it's worth noting that a registrar is not the same thing as a
DNS hosting provider, although these days many people use the same
company for both.  All a registrar does is take your domain name and
some nameservers, and publish that information in the domain registry.
 It's those registered nameservers that determine the answers people
get.  The registered nameservers can be operated by the registrar, but
they don't have to be.  You can run your own, or have another party do
it.  Maybe you register with Net Sol, but have your DNS hosting done
by UltraDNS, for example.

-- Ben

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RE: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

[Carl Houseman]

When you approve a patch to be installed, you are approving it for clients to 
install.

The downloading to the WSUS server is automatic - any client that's approved 
and not yet on the server, is downloaded to the server almost immediately upon 
approval.

Then WSUS clients download from the WSUS server and apply patches per the 
schedule and rules established by group policy.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

All,

I'm dealing with our AU office, trying to satisfy their requirements
for patching their servers, and I'm running into a bit of a bind.

They have a very long backup window on the weekend (23:00 Friday to
roughly noon Monday, local time).

This makes it a bit tricky to stage the patches, because they have a
fairly high-latency link, and no WSUS server in their office.

Compounding the problem is that their 17:00 Friday is our 23:00
Thursday, and the way WSUS does its updates is by client polling,
rather than a push, and that makes the interactions between variations
in client polling times, who's logged onto a machine, and variations
in download times required for patches from the US office make it just
a bit too random for comfort.

I don't want to kill one of their week night backups if I can help it,
and I don't have resources in that office at the moment to install
WSUS in the AU office.

I thought I saw at some point in the documentation that I could
approve patches for download in WSUS, but it seems that it's only
downloading to the WSUS server, not to the client, now that I've gone
back and read through what seem to be the relevant portions of the
document.

Am I correct on the above - cannot approve downloads to clients?

Ultimately I'm hoping SCCM will fix this, but we're at least 6-9
months out from implementing that.

I don't want to try to stage monthly patches manually - I have minions
who should be pulling the triggers on patching, and they're not yet
sophisticated enough to pull off identifying all of the relevant
patches and chaining them, etc., nor do I want them to have to RDP to
5-6 servers individually to visit MSFT's update site, as that would
get old quickly.

If anyone has some thoughts on this, I'd be all ears.

Kurt


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RE: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

[Carl Houseman]

Correction: ... any *patch* that's approved and not yet on the server ...

-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational 
question

When you approve a patch to be installed, you are approving it for clients to 
install.

The downloading to the WSUS server is automatic - any client that's approved 
and not yet on the server, is downloaded to the server almost immediately upon 
approval.

Then WSUS clients download from the WSUS server and apply patches per the 
schedule and rules established by group policy.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

All,

I'm dealing with our AU office, trying to satisfy their requirements
for patching their servers, and I'm running into a bit of a bind.

They have a very long backup window on the weekend (23:00 Friday to
roughly noon Monday, local time).

This makes it a bit tricky to stage the patches, because they have a
fairly high-latency link, and no WSUS server in their office.

Compounding the problem is that their 17:00 Friday is our 23:00
Thursday, and the way WSUS does its updates is by client polling,
rather than a push, and that makes the interactions between variations
in client polling times, who's logged onto a machine, and variations
in download times required for patches from the US office make it just
a bit too random for comfort.

I don't want to kill one of their week night backups if I can help it,
and I don't have resources in that office at the moment to install
WSUS in the AU office.

I thought I saw at some point in the documentation that I could
approve patches for download in WSUS, but it seems that it's only
downloading to the WSUS server, not to the client, now that I've gone
back and read through what seem to be the relevant portions of the
document.

Am I correct on the above - cannot approve downloads to clients?

Ultimately I'm hoping SCCM will fix this, but we're at least 6-9
months out from implementing that.

I don't want to try to stage monthly patches manually - I have minions
who should be pulling the triggers on patching, and they're not yet
sophisticated enough to pull off identifying all of the relevant
patches and chaining them, etc., nor do I want them to have to RDP to
5-6 servers individually to visit MSFT's update site, as that would
get old quickly.

If anyone has some thoughts on this, I'd be all ears.

Kurt


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Re: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question

[Kurt Buff]

Thanks. That's what I figured after reading the documents.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 20:01, Carl Houseman  wrote:
> When you approve a patch to be installed, you are approving it for clients to 
> install.
>
> The downloading to the WSUS server is automatic - any client that's approved 
> and not yet on the server, is downloaded to the server almost immediately 
> upon approval.
>
> Then WSUS clients download from the WSUS server and apply patches per the 
> schedule and rules established by group policy.
>
> Carl
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:39 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Been a while since I set up WSUS, and I have an operational question
>
> All,
>
> I'm dealing with our AU office, trying to satisfy their requirements
> for patching their servers, and I'm running into a bit of a bind.
>
> They have a very long backup window on the weekend (23:00 Friday to
> roughly noon Monday, local time).
>
> This makes it a bit tricky to stage the patches, because they have a
> fairly high-latency link, and no WSUS server in their office.
>
> Compounding the problem is that their 17:00 Friday is our 23:00
> Thursday, and the way WSUS does its updates is by client polling,
> rather than a push, and that makes the interactions between variations
> in client polling times, who's logged onto a machine, and variations
> in download times required for patches from the US office make it just
> a bit too random for comfort.
>
> I don't want to kill one of their week night backups if I can help it,
> and I don't have resources in that office at the moment to install
> WSUS in the AU office.
>
> I thought I saw at some point in the documentation that I could
> approve patches for download in WSUS, but it seems that it's only
> downloading to the WSUS server, not to the client, now that I've gone
> back and read through what seem to be the relevant portions of the
> document.
>
> Am I correct on the above - cannot approve downloads to clients?
>
> Ultimately I'm hoping SCCM will fix this, but we're at least 6-9
> months out from implementing that.
>
> I don't want to try to stage monthly patches manually - I have minions
> who should be pulling the triggers on patching, and they're not yet
> sophisticated enough to pull off identifying all of the relevant
> patches and chaining them, etc., nor do I want them to have to RDP to
> 5-6 servers individually to visit MSFT's update site, as that would
> get old quickly.
>
> If anyone has some thoughts on this, I'd be all ears.
>
> Kurt
>
>
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RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

[Paul Hutchings]

I know you jest (I think!) but no, I checked that too.

Here's a typical header portion, all I've snipped is the internal stuff but 
there is no delay within our systems:

Received: from lyris.sunbelt-software.com (lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 [64.128.133.151])  by clearswift.mira.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id
 pAHHi9Ih018443 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:44:10 GMT
Received-SPF: notyetresolved client-ip=193.35.217.38; 
helo=clearswift.mira.co.uk; envelope-from=;
Received: from clearswift.mira.co.uk ([193.35.217.38]) by 10.129.3.67 with
 SMTP (Lyris ListManager WIN32 version 11.1a); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:36:03 -0500

So it seems that it's spent 8 minutes or so with Lyris.

Like I said, that's not so bad, it's just odd that it never used to be like 
that.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 17 November 2011 21:14
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?

Perhaps it's *you* being greylisted? :)

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:46, Paul Hutchings  wrote:
> That's how it used to be.  Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 
> minutes usually.
> It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our 
> smtp gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch 
> was flicked it only happened after the upgrade.
> Paul
> 
> From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>
> not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them !  
> 
>
> but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I 
> see them back in my gmail...
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings 
> 
> wrote:
>>
>> So is there a problem?  Because posts are still taking a lot longer 
>> to appear than they did prior to the upgrade.
>> Paul
>> 
>> From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
>>
>> Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free 
>> resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts 
>> are taking a lot longer to appear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
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