RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ken Schaefer]

You can create a cluster of VMs sitting on top of your existing ESX (or Hyper-V 
or Xen) infrastructure.

That way, you can keep your SQL Server up, regardless of what's happening at 
the application, OS or hardware level.

Not sure how you're calculating - if an event happens 5 times a year, and it 
costs $300k/event, then that's $1.5m/year. You can discount that to NPV if you 
want, but I'm pretty sure I'd be willing to spend a lot more than $3900 to 
avoid $1.5m in expected lost revenue/year. I think you're thinking $3900 *a day*

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Friday, 7 December 2012 2:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

This is a valid case, but how many times in a year does this happen. ( ALE= SLE 
X ARO). So it's a 300,000 event that say happens 5 times a year
.005  300,000 X .013 (5/365)=3,900 dollars you can afford to spend to fix the 
issue and the cost of the control is in line with the Annual Lost Expectancy of 
the event factored over the year. 

I am sure a cluster and hardware costs more than 3,900, therefore cost of 
control is higher than the expected loss, you usually don't implement that 
control. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan 
Organization ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service doesn't 
simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4 hours while its 
resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?


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Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Sean Martin]

You should see vmotion run over dual 40Gb infiniband, its pretty slick.

- Sean

On Dec 6, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Andrew S. Baker"  wrote:

> Since it's still in the lab, I have 5E here.  I have CAT6 cable in the rack 
> where it will go when I finish the migration and testing.
> 
>  
>  
> ASB
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the 
> SMB market…
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>> And which did you replace it with - a cat5e or cat6 cable?
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>>> Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a *CAT5* 
>>> cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?  
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.
>>> 
>>> Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.
>>> 
>>> Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught 
>>> the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> ASB
>>> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
>>> Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for 
>>> the SMB market…
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
 I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.  
 No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was 
 smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up 
 continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
 
 Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that 
 goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow 
 for me.   
 
  
  
 ASB
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for 
 the SMB market…
  
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
> Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on it, 
> think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
> 
>  
> 
> Dave
> 
>  
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>  
> 
> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's 
> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs 
> using the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> ASB
> http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
> Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> 
> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being 
> handled by the guest VM’s.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
> 
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
> 
>  
> 
> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it 
> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V 
> server isn't what your looking for.
> 
> Christopher Bodnar 
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise 
> Architecture and Engineering Services
> 
> Tel 610-807-6459  
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
> christopher_bod...@glic.com
> 
> 
> 
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
> 
> www.guardianlife.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:David Lum  
> To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
>  
> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM 
> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB: 
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789 
>   
> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not 
> go to 2012. 
>   
> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I 
> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively 
> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking 
> anything obvious? 
>   
> I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least 
> protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but 
> technically simple. Time for more  research. 
>   
> Dave 
>   
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM
> To: NT System Admin Iss

Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Andrew S. Baker]

It's a cable that came with a firewall, too.  But with the "CAT5" staring
me in the face, I made the change and was much happier for it.

Live Migration peaked at about 882 Mbps during my last copy, but spent most
of its time hanging out around 550 Mbps, so I was only losing 80% of my
capacity before. :D

I'll test it next with a VM that is off, and see how that impacts the
transfer rates.





*ASB
**http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
**Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market…***






On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Art DeKneef  wrote:

> Curious also what was up with the cable. Have a couple of short runs (60
> feet or so) that are CAT 5 and are doing fine with gig speeds. Well getting
> average 550 Mbps on quick speed tests.
>
> ** **
>
> Art
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:16 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
> ** **
>
> Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a 
> **CAT5**cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.
>
> ** **
>
> Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.
>
> ** **
>
> Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught
> the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
>
> I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.
>  No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
> smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
> continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
> goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow
> for me.   
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on it,
> think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
>  
>
> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
> the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
> handled by the guest VM’s.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
>  
>
> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
> isn't what your looking for. 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>
>
> *
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:David Lum 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
> --
>
>
>
>
> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789
>
> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not
> go to 2012.
>
> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I
> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
> obvious?
>
> I guess the fallb

Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Andrew S. Baker]

Since it's still in the lab, I have 5E here.  I have CAT6 cable in the rack
where it will go when I finish the migration and testing.





*ASB
**http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
**Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market…***






On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> And which did you replace it with - a cat5e or cat6 cable?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:
>
>> Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a 
>> **CAT5**cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?
>>
>> Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.
>>
>> Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.
>>
>> Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught
>> the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ASB
>> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
>> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
>> for the SMB market…***
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>>
>>> I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.
>>>  No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
>>> smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
>>> continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
>>>
>>> Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how
>>> that goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too
>>> slow for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *ASB
>>> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
>>> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
>>> for the SMB market…***
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>>>
  Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on
 it, think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….

 ** **

 Dave

 ** **

 *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

 ** **

 Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
 looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
 the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.


 

  

  

 *ASB*

 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 

 *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…***
 **

  



 

 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:**
 **

 It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
 handled by the guest VM’s.

  

 *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

  

 I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
 requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
 isn't what your looking for. 

 *Christopher Bodnar*
 Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
 Architecture and Engineering Services 

 Tel 610-807-6459
 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
 christopher_bod...@glic.com 


 *
 The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
 *
 *www.guardianlife.com 






 From:David Lum 
 To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
 Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
 Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
  --




 This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
 http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789

 It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why
 not go to 2012.

 Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host
 I go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
 server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
 obvious?

 I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as
 least protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater,
 but technically simple. Time for more research.

 Dave

 *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
 [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
 *
 Sent:* Wednesday, Decemb

Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Andrew S. Baker]

Yep, it auto-negotiated to 100MB.

I've seen CAT5 operate at GigE, but it's not guaranteed.





*ASB
**http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
**Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market…***






On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Crawford, Scott wrote:

>  Interesting. So, did it auto negotiate at 100mb? I thought cat5 would
> work at a gig, but just have a degraded signal resulting in dropped packets
> and interference.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:16 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
> ** **
>
> Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a 
> **CAT5**cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.
>
> ** **
>
> Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.
>
> ** **
>
> Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught
> the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
>
> I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.
>  No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
> smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
> continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
> goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow
> for me.   
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>  Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on it,
> think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
>  
>
> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
> the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
> handled by the guest VM’s.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
>  
>
> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
> isn't what your looking for. 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>
>
> *
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:David Lum 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
>  --
>
>
>
>
> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789
>
> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not
> go to 2012.
>
> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I
> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
> obvious?
>
> I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least
> protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but
> technically simple. Time for more research.
>
> Dave
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> *
> Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM*
> To:* NT System Admin Issues*
> Subject:

RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Art DeKneef]

Curious also what was up with the cable. Have a couple of short runs (60
feet or so) that are CAT 5 and are doing fine with gig speeds. Well getting
average 550 Mbps on quick speed tests.

 

Art

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

 

Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a *CAT5*
cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?  

 

Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.

 

Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.

 

Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught the
CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.




 

 


ASB
  http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market.

 





On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker mailto:asbz...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.  No
difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)

 

Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow for
me.   




 

 


ASB
  http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market.

 





On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org> > wrote:

Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM's on it,
think I'll try the migration tonight myself..

 

Dave

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com  ]

Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

 

Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.




 

 


ASB


  http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market.

 

 

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org> > wrote:

It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
handled by the guest VM's.

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com
 ] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

 

I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
isn't what your looking for. 


Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
Architecture and Engineering Services 


Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
christopher_bod...@glic.com   




The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

  www.guardianlife.com 








From:David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org> > 
To:"NT System Admin Issues" mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > 
Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM 
Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 

  _  




This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB: 
 
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789 
  
It can be argued that if I'm going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not go
to 2012. 
  
Next question..how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I go
from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively server
core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
obvious? 
  
I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least
protecting the VM's themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but
technically simple. Time for more research. 
  
Dave 
  
From: Christopher Bodnar [ 
mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
  
And the Hyper-V version is free. 


Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
Architecture and Engineering Services 


Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
christopher_bod...@glic.com   




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From:M

Re: Amazon Web Services continues Windows push with PowerShell - Computerworld

[Steven Peck]

This reminds me.  I need to see If Azure is viable for hosting my website.

/me ads one more thing to task list.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  Widely expected. J And required for AWS to be a full-fledged client with
> Microsoft’s private cloud push.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:20 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Amazon Web Services continues Windows push with PowerShell -
> Computerworld
>
> ** **
>
> Interesting move. Thought some of the PS gurus here might enjoy this.
>
>
> http://m.computerworld.com/s/article/9234421/Amazon_Web_Services_continues_Windows_push_with_PowerShell?source=rss_latest_content&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fnews%2Ffeed+%28Latest+from+Computerworld%29
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Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Kurt Buff]

And which did you replace it with - a cat5e or cat6 cable?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a 
> **CAT5**cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?
>
> Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.
>
> Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.
>
> Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught
> the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.
>
>
>
>
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…***
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.
>>  No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
>> smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
>> continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
>>
>> Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
>> goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow
>> for me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *ASB
>> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
>> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
>> for the SMB market…***
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>>
>>>  Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on
>>> it, think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
>>> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
>>> the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *ASB*
>>>
>>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>>>
>>> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…
>>> *
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:***
>>> *
>>>
>>> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
>>> handled by the guest VM’s.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
>>> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
>>> isn't what your looking for. 
>>>
>>> *Christopher Bodnar*
>>> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
>>> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>>>
>>> Tel 610-807-6459
>>> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
>>> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
>>> *
>>> *www.guardianlife.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:David Lum 
>>> To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
>>> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
>>>  --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789
>>>
>>> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why
>>> not go to 2012.
>>>
>>> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I
>>> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
>>> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
>>> obvious?
>>>
>>> I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least
>>> protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but
>>> technically simple. Time for more research.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
>>> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>>> *
>>> Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM*
>>> To:* NT System Admin Issues*
>>> Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>>
>>> And the Hyper-V version is free. 
>>>
>>> *Christopher Bodnar*
>>> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
>>> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>>>
>>> Tel 610-807-6459
>>> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 *
>>> *christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America**
>>>
>>> *www.guardianlife.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Crawford, Scott]

Interesting. So, did it auto negotiate at 100mb? I thought cat5 would work at a 
gig, but just have a degraded signal resulting in dropped packets and 
interference.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a *CAT5* cable 
to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live Migration?

Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.

Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.

Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught the 
CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.



ASB
http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the 
SMB market...




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.  No 
difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was 
smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up 
continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)

Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that goes. 
 LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow for me.



ASB
http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the 
SMB market...




On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM's on it, think 
I'll try the migration tonight myself

Dave

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's looks 
like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using the new 
Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.






ASB


http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker


Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market...




On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being handled 
by the guest VM's.

From: Christopher Bodnar 
[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it requires 
any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server isn't what 
your looking for.
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

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From:David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB




This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789

It can be argued that if I'm going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not go to 
2012.

Next questionhow nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I go 
from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively server 
core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything obvious?

I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least 
protecting the VM's themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but 
technically simple. Time for more research.

Dave

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

And the Hyper-V version is free.
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

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From:Mike Hoffman mailto:m...@drumbrae.net>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:12/05/2012 11:28 AM
Subject:

Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Andrew S. Baker]

Do you know what happens if you don't pay attention and attach a
**CAT5**cable to the NIC that you intend to use for Hyper-V Live
Migration?

Yeah, it operates at 10% of its overall potential.

Thankfully, I noticed before moving a really large VM.

Sigh.  I was wondering what was up with the speed and then my eye caught
the CAT5 marking.  Off to the printer it goes.





*ASB
**http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
**Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for
the SMB market…***






On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.
>  No difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
> smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
> continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)
>
> Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
> goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow
> for me.
>
>
>
>
>
> *ASB
> **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *
> **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security)
> for the SMB market…***
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>>  Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on it,
>> think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
>> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
>> the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>>
>> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>>
>> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
>> handled by the guest VM’s.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>
>>  
>>
>> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
>> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
>> isn't what your looking for. 
>>
>> *Christopher Bodnar*
>> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
>> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>>
>> Tel 610-807-6459
>> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
>> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>>
>>
>> *
>> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
>> *
>> *www.guardianlife.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:David Lum 
>> To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
>> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
>>  --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789
>>
>> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not
>> go to 2012.
>>
>> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I
>> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
>> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
>> obvious?
>>
>> I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least
>> protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but
>> technically simple. Time for more research.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
>> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>> *
>> Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM*
>> To:* NT System Admin Issues*
>> Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>>
>> And the Hyper-V version is free. 
>>
>> *Christopher Bodnar*
>> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
>> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>>
>> Tel 610-807-6459
>> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 *
>> *christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>>
>> *
>>
>> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America**
>>
>> *www.guardianlife.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:Mike Hoffman 
>> To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>> Date:12/05/2012 11:28 AM
>> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
>>
>>  
>>  --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What about 2012 – 4Tb limit.
>>  *
>

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Brian Desmond]

Windows clustering has changed substantially since Windows 2000. Give it a try 
with 2008R2 or 2012.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

I've tried the windows clustering services... years ago with Windows 2000. I 
never had any success with the failover.

The concept is excellent: If a server fails, hardware or software, you have 
another server ready to pick up the services and go. VMs don't help if there is 
a software failure.

Our problem was that when the service failed (in our case, file sharing 
services) the nodes did not correctly recognize the failure and promote the 
active server on the cluster. After a lot of failed attempts to get it to work, 
we abandoned all hope on windows clustering and we never looked back.

My recommendation: If you want clustering, test it thoroughly before you 
implement it. Don't trust it until you've seen it work flawlessly.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ken Cornetet
[mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 06 Dec 2012
08:40:32 -0800
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012


> If the service doesn't start on one server, what makes you think it 
> would start on the other server?
> 
> If the service wouldn't start on the original server, it is probably 
> because either the data is whacked, or there is some external resource 
> that isn't available (user ID locked, database server not available, 
> etc).  When the service tries to start on the failover node, it is 
> going to see the same problems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
> 
> > Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
> overkill.
> 
> I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service 
> doesn't simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 
> 4 hours while its resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...
> 
> Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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RE: Server login reporting

[James Hill]

Instead of trying to use the event log use a scheduled task with the
triggers "at logon" and "on connection to user session" to start a script.

 

Here is a bit of powershell that I stole and it needs improving as it always
gives the user name of the account that is set to run the scheduled task
rather than the user logging on (hint hint please powershell gurus!).  I'm
sure someone can come up with how to query the remote IP as well.

 

$computers = Get-WmiObject -Class Win32_ComputerSystem 

foreach($computer in $computers) {

$userlist += "User: {0}" -f $computer.UserName

}

$emailFrom = "serv...@yourdomain.com"

$emailTo = "omgauditorssomeonelogge...@yourdomain.com"

$subject = "Connection Alert " + $env:computername

$body = "User has connected to " + $env:computername + " " + $userlist

$smtpServer = "yourserver"

$smtp = new-object Net.Mail.SmtpClient($smtpServer)

$smtp.Send($emailFrom,$emailTo,$subject,$body)

end

 

James.

 

From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:gavin.wi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 8:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server login reporting

 

Hi,

I need a bit of software that can email me every time a User logs onto the
console or RDP to a 2008R2 domain controller. 

Logging the source IP of any remote connections would be desirable. 

I know the sec log shows this, but its a nightmare to go through.

Any ideas?

Gavin.

-- 
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/gavin_wilby
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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Steven Peck]

Especially since we all started bikeshedding immediately :)

http://green.bikeshed.org/

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Thanks for the follow-up, Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
> *ASB
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> for the SMB market…***
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Patrick Hasenjager  > wrote:
>
>> I was able to resolve my original problem, which was no being able to add
>> file shares to a clustered "file server."  The thread linked here solved
>> the problem for me.
>>
>>
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserver8gen/thread/9807a799-bea3-46ad-92a5-732779135f98
>>
>> >>> On 12/6/2012 at 11:03 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>>
>> While I like your summary for the most part, evidently my experience with
>> MS Clusters while admittedly dated, windows2003 era mostly Exchange and
>> SQL, we didn't experience them as fragile. Complex yes, but most issues
>> were the result of shooting ourselves in the foot rather then the cluster
>> technology itself. With the Best Practice Analyzers this is easier to avoid
>> now.
>> But we're back to what is meant/desired goal of the original post.
>> 'VMware clusters' provide for resilience and reduced downtime. If hardware
>> fails, all guests on that node are dead. True, the remaining live nodes
>> will usually bring them up quickly but they are still dead until then and
>> if there were dependencies, etc. the various services may still need manual
>> intervention.
>> So, if you need a service availability then you need to look at your SLA
>> and match them with the various options..
>> So, this thread started with one thing and then wandered afar into
>> various technologies What needs to be solved?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ken Cornetet 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Patrick, I am sorry if I came across as attacking your choices. My
>> intention was to steer you toward a path that will lead to a happier future
>> for you.
>>
>> The purpose of clustering is to protect against downtime in case
>> something fails, or is intentionally taken down for preventative
>> maintenance.
>>
>> So here are some "somethings" that might happen:
>>
>> 1. Hardware failure. Both MS and VMWare clustering will protect against
>> this.
>>
>> 2. OS failure - the OS bluescreens. Both MS and VMWare protect against
>> this. VMWare detects missing vmware tools heartbeats and migrates the
>> server.
>>
>> 3. The application service crashes (stops). You don't need clustering to
>> protect against this, you set the service to auto-restart.
>>
>> 4. The application service gets lost in space and stops working (but is
>> still running). Neither MS or VMWare can protect against this without you
>> hitching on some sort of monitoring system.
>>
>> 5. Patching or other PM. This is where MS clustering can *theoretically*
>> reduce (not eliminate) downtime if you have an active/passive cluster. In
>> an active/passive cluster, you patch the passive system, reboot, fail over
>> to it, then patch and reboot the original active server. However, there is
>> still down time as the service is stopped on one node and restarted on the
>> other. The only thing that MS clustering eliminates is the time of the
>> server reboot. In VMWare, virtuals boot so fast that this only saves you
>> less than a minute.
>>
>> MS clusters have some disadvantages:
>>
>> 1. Most every service that you run clustered has limitations and caveats
>> when running clustered.
>> 2. Backing up the data requires a cluster aware backup agent.
>> 3. You application settings have to be replicated between nodes - usually
>> manually. This can lead to problems when they aren't in sync.
>> 4. MS clusters are "fragile". In the old days (windows 2000) clusters
>> would go toes up for little or no reason and you'd have to spend hours
>> tweaking registry settings and disk signatures to get it back up. This
>> improved vastly with Server 2003 - clusters stop failing for no reason, but
>> even at Server 2008 R2, clusters are a pain to do disaster recovery with.
>>
>> In contrast, VMWare clusters just work, and work seamlessly. You don't
>> need to take anything special into account on your protected virtuals.
>> Normal application settings, normal backups, etc. There is no extra
>> complexity to manage.
>>
>> Admittedly, I've not looked at Server 2012's clustering because we've
>> been migrating away from MS clusters.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:16 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>>
>> If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your
>> definition be? Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it
>> seems that all people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our
>> institution.
>>
>> >>> Ken Cornet

Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Andrew S. Baker]

Thanks for the follow-up, Patrick





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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Patrick Hasenjager
wrote:

> I was able to resolve my original problem, which was no being able to add
> file shares to a clustered "file server."  The thread linked here solved
> the problem for me.
>
>
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserver8gen/thread/9807a799-bea3-46ad-92a5-732779135f98
>
> >>> On 12/6/2012 at 11:03 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
> While I like your summary for the most part, evidently my experience with
> MS Clusters while admittedly dated, windows2003 era mostly Exchange and
> SQL, we didn't experience them as fragile. Complex yes, but most issues
> were the result of shooting ourselves in the foot rather then the cluster
> technology itself. With the Best Practice Analyzers this is easier to avoid
> now.
> But we're back to what is meant/desired goal of the original post. 'VMware
> clusters' provide for resilience and reduced downtime. If hardware fails,
> all guests on that node are dead. True, the remaining live nodes will
> usually bring them up quickly but they are still dead until then and if
> there were dependencies, etc. the various services may still need manual
> intervention.
> So, if you need a service availability then you need to look at your SLA
> and match them with the various options..
> So, this thread started with one thing and then wandered afar into various
> technologies What needs to be solved?
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ken Cornetet 
> wrote:
>
>
> Patrick, I am sorry if I came across as attacking your choices. My
> intention was to steer you toward a path that will lead to a happier future
> for you.
>
> The purpose of clustering is to protect against downtime in case something
> fails, or is intentionally taken down for preventative maintenance.
>
> So here are some "somethings" that might happen:
>
> 1. Hardware failure. Both MS and VMWare clustering will protect against
> this.
>
> 2. OS failure - the OS bluescreens. Both MS and VMWare protect against
> this. VMWare detects missing vmware tools heartbeats and migrates the
> server.
>
> 3. The application service crashes (stops). You don't need clustering to
> protect against this, you set the service to auto-restart.
>
> 4. The application service gets lost in space and stops working (but is
> still running). Neither MS or VMWare can protect against this without you
> hitching on some sort of monitoring system.
>
> 5. Patching or other PM. This is where MS clustering can *theoretically*
> reduce (not eliminate) downtime if you have an active/passive cluster. In
> an active/passive cluster, you patch the passive system, reboot, fail over
> to it, then patch and reboot the original active server. However, there is
> still down time as the service is stopped on one node and restarted on the
> other. The only thing that MS clustering eliminates is the time of the
> server reboot. In VMWare, virtuals boot so fast that this only saves you
> less than a minute.
>
> MS clusters have some disadvantages:
>
> 1. Most every service that you run clustered has limitations and caveats
> when running clustered.
> 2. Backing up the data requires a cluster aware backup agent.
> 3. You application settings have to be replicated between nodes - usually
> manually. This can lead to problems when they aren't in sync.
> 4. MS clusters are "fragile". In the old days (windows 2000) clusters
> would go toes up for little or no reason and you'd have to spend hours
> tweaking registry settings and disk signatures to get it back up. This
> improved vastly with Server 2003 - clusters stop failing for no reason, but
> even at Server 2008 R2, clusters are a pain to do disaster recovery with.
>
> In contrast, VMWare clusters just work, and work seamlessly. You don't
> need to take anything special into account on your protected virtuals.
> Normal application settings, normal backups, etc. There is no extra
> complexity to manage.
>
> Admittedly, I've not looked at Server 2012's clustering because we've been
> migrating away from MS clusters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your
> definition be? Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it
> seems that all people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our
> institution.
>
> >>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
> Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not
> sure what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if
> somehow the server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS
> clustering will swi

Re: missing VMs

[Bill Humphries]

It is actually scsi without the i.  its an old eonstor array and I have no idea 
how to get info from it yet.

thanks.

From: Jonathan Link 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 2:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: missing VMs

Is there a missing LUN, perhaps?  Any possibility of browsing the iSCSI device 
directly to see if there is a damaged volume or something?



On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Bill Humphries  wrote:

  I did that.  they aren’t there when I browse the datastores.

  From: Walker, Michael 
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:24 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Subject: RE: missing VMs

  Can you do a right mouse click over the data store and browse the volume?  If 
so, you can search for the vmtx files and then add them back to the inventory.



  Michael Walker

  Senior Network Engineer

  Citrus Valley Health Partners

  140 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723

  Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882

  mwal...@mail.cvhp.org 



  From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:14 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: missing VMs



  I did a rescan for added storage or vmfs volumes and nothing changed.



  From: John Cook 

  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50 PM

  To: NT System Admin Issues 

  Subject: RE: missing VMs



  Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is 
that an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s were 
located on to begin with? 



  From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
  Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: missing VMs



  Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.

  - Sean


  On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My VMware 
experience is rudimentary.  



A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI (free) 
host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These two VMs 
were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere client they show 
as unknown.  There are two data stores listed under storage.  I don’t see 
folders for either unknown VM on either datastore.  One datastore is local 
disk.  The other datastore is scsi array connected.  The array appears to be 
functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the two VMs expect the vmx 
files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?



Thanks for any help.



Bill

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Re: missing VMs

[Jonathan Link]

Is there a missing LUN, perhaps?  Any possibility of browsing the iSCSI
device directly to see if there is a damaged volume or something?


On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Bill Humphries wrote:

>   I did that.  they aren’t there when I browse the datastores.
>
>  *From:* Walker, Michael 
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:24 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Subject:* RE: missing VMs
>
>
> Can you do a right mouse click over the data store and browse the volume?
> If so, you can search for the vmtx files and then add them back to the
> inventory.
>
> 
>
> *Michael Walker*
>
> *Senior Network Engineer*
>
> Citrus Valley Health Partners
>
> 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723
>
> *Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882*
>
> *mwal...@mail.cvhp.org*  
>
> 
>
> *From:* Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:14 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: missing VMs
>
> 
>
> I did a rescan for added storage or vmfs volumes and nothing changed.
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook  
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues  
>
> *Subject:* RE: missing VMs
>
>  
>
> Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is
> that an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s
> were located on to begin with? 
>
>  
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: missing VMs
>
>  
>
> Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.
>
> - Sean
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries" 
> wrote:
>
>   Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My
> VMware experience is rudimentary.  
>
>  
>
> A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI
> (free) host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These
> two VMs were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere
> client they show as unknown.  There are two data stores listed under
> storage.  I don’t see folders for either unknown VM on either datastore.
> One datastore is local disk.  The other datastore is scsi array connected.
> The array appears to be functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the
> two VMs expect the vmx files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?
> 
>
>  
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
>  
>
> Bill
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Re: missing VMs

[Bill Humphries]

I did that.  they aren’t there when I browse the datastores.

From: Walker, Michael 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: missing VMs

Can you do a right mouse click over the data store and browse the volume?  If 
so, you can search for the vmtx files and then add them back to the inventory.

 

Michael Walker

Senior Network Engineer

Citrus Valley Health Partners

140 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723

Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882

mwal...@mail.cvhp.org 

 

From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs

 

I did a rescan for added storage or vmfs volumes and nothing changed.

 

From: John Cook 

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues 

Subject: RE: missing VMs

 

Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is that 
an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s were located 
on to begin with? 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs

 

Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.

- Sean


On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

  Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My VMware 
experience is rudimentary.  

   

  A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI (free) 
host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These two VMs 
were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere client they show 
as unknown.  There are two data stores listed under storage.  I don’t see 
folders for either unknown VM on either datastore.  One datastore is local 
disk.  The other datastore is scsi array connected.  The array appears to be 
functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the two VMs expect the vmx 
files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?

   

  Thanks for any help.

   

  Bill

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RE: missing VMs

[Walker, Michael]

Can you do a right mouse click over the data store and browse the volume?  If 
so, you can search for the vmtx files and then add them back to the inventory.

Michael Walker
Senior Network Engineer
Citrus Valley Health Partners
140 W. College Street, Covina, CA  91723
Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882
mwal...@mail.cvhp.org

From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs

I did a rescan for added storage or vmfs volumes and nothing changed.

From: John Cook
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: missing VMs

Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is that 
an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s were located 
on to begin with?

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs

Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.

- Sean

On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries" 
mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com>> wrote:
Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My VMware 
experience is rudimentary.

A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI (free) 
host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These two VMs 
were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere client they show 
as unknown.  There are two data stores listed under storage.  I don’t see 
folders for either unknown VM on either datastore.  One datastore is local 
disk.  The other datastore is scsi array connected.  The array appears to be 
functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the two VMs expect the vmx 
files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?

Thanks for any help.

Bill

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Re: missing VMs

[Bill Humphries]

I did a rescan for added storage or vmfs volumes and nothing changed.

From: John Cook 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: missing VMs

Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is that 
an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s were located 
on to begin with? 



From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs



Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.

- Sean


On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

  Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My VMware 
experience is rudimentary.  



  A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI (free) 
host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These two VMs 
were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere client they show 
as unknown.  There are two data stores listed under storage.  I don’t see 
folders for either unknown VM on either datastore.  One datastore is local 
disk.  The other datastore is scsi array connected.  The array appears to be 
functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the two VMs expect the vmx 
files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?



  Thanks for any help.



  Bill

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RE: missing VMs

[John Cook]

Well in the paid for version I can do a rescan for datastore on a host, is that 
an available option? Do you have any idea which datastore the VM’s were located 
on to begin with?

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 12:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: missing VMs

Sure sounds like there's a datastore missing.

- Sean

On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:55 AM, "Bill Humphries" 
mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com>> wrote:
Trying to solve other people’s problems here and I’m at a loss.  My VMware 
experience is rudimentary.

A rack full of equipment was moved.  In this rack, there was an ESXI (free) 
host with 7 VMs on it.  Everything is up except for two WMs.  These two VMs 
were LAMP servers running a couple of websites.  In the Vspere client they show 
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functioning correctly.  Any way I can see where the two VMs expect the vmx 
files to be?  anything else I should be looking for?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Patrick Hasenjager]

I was able to resolve my original problem, which was no being able to add file 
shares to a clustered "file server."  The thread linked here solved the problem 
for me.
 
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserver8gen/thread/9807a799-bea3-46ad-92a5-732779135f98
 

>>> On 12/6/2012 at 11:03 AM, Steven Peck  wrote:

While I like your summary for the most part, evidently my experience with MS 
Clusters while admittedly dated, windows2003 era mostly Exchange and SQL, we 
didn't experience them as fragile. Complex yes, but most issues were the result 
of shooting ourselves in the foot rather then the cluster technology itself. 
With the Best Practice Analyzers this is easier to avoid now.
But we're back to what is meant/desired goal of the original post. 'VMware 
clusters' provide for resilience and reduced downtime. If hardware fails, all 
guests on that node are dead. True, the remaining live nodes will usually bring 
them up quickly but they are still dead until then and if there were 
dependencies, etc. the various services may still need manual intervention.
So, if you need a service availability then you need to look at your SLA and 
match them with the various options..
So, this thread started with one thing and then wandered afar into various 
technologies What needs to be solved?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ken Cornetet  wrote:


Patrick, I am sorry if I came across as attacking your choices. My intention 
was to steer you toward a path that will lead to a happier future for you.

The purpose of clustering is to protect against downtime in case something 
fails, or is intentionally taken down for preventative maintenance.

So here are some "somethings" that might happen:

1. Hardware failure. Both MS and VMWare clustering will protect against this.

2. OS failure - the OS bluescreens. Both MS and VMWare protect against this. 
VMWare detects missing vmware tools heartbeats and migrates the server.

3. The application service crashes (stops). You don't need clustering to 
protect against this, you set the service to auto-restart.

4. The application service gets lost in space and stops working (but is still 
running). Neither MS or VMWare can protect against this without you hitching on 
some sort of monitoring system.

5. Patching or other PM. This is where MS clustering can *theoretically* reduce 
(not eliminate) downtime if you have an active/passive cluster. In an 
active/passive cluster, you patch the passive system, reboot, fail over to it, 
then patch and reboot the original active server. However, there is still down 
time as the service is stopped on one node and restarted on the other. The only 
thing that MS clustering eliminates is the time of the server reboot. In 
VMWare, virtuals boot so fast that this only saves you less than a minute.

MS clusters have some disadvantages:

1. Most every service that you run clustered has limitations and caveats when 
running clustered.
2. Backing up the data requires a cluster aware backup agent.
3. You application settings have to be replicated between nodes - usually 
manually. This can lead to problems when they aren't in sync.
4. MS clusters are "fragile". In the old days (windows 2000) clusters would go 
toes up for little or no reason and you'd have to spend hours tweaking registry 
settings and disk signatures to get it back up. This improved vastly with 
Server 2003 - clusters stop failing for no reason, but even at Server 2008 R2, 
clusters are a pain to do disaster recovery with.

In contrast, VMWare clusters just work, and work seamlessly. You don't need to 
take anything special into account on your protected virtuals. Normal 
application settings, normal backups, etc. There is no extra complexity to 
manage.

Admittedly, I've not looked at Server 2012's clustering because we've been 
migrating away from MS clusters.

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your definition 
be? Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it seems that all 
people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our institution.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not sure 
what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if somehow the 
server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS clustering will 
switch over to the other node?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering already in 
our ESXi environment.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
Why in the world would yo

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Matthew W. Ross]

I've tried the windows clustering services... years ago with Windows 2000. I 
never had any success with the failover.

The concept is excellent: If a server fails, hardware or software, you have 
another server ready to pick up the services and go. VMs don't help if there is 
a software failure.

Our problem was that when the service failed (in our case, file sharing 
services) the nodes did not correctly recognize the failure and promote the 
active server on the cluster. After a lot of failed attempts to get it to work, 
we abandoned all hope on windows clustering and we never looked back.

My recommendation: If you want clustering, test it thoroughly before you 
implement it. Don't trust it until you've seen it work flawlessly.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ken Cornetet
[mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 06 Dec 2012
08:40:32 -0800
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012


> If the service doesn't start on one server, what makes you think it would
> start on the other server?
> 
> If the service wouldn't start on the original server, it is probably because
> either the data is whacked, or there is some external resource that isn't
> available (user ID locked, database server not available, etc).  When the
> service tries to start on the failover node, it is going to see the same
> problems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
> 
> > Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
> overkill.
> 
> I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service
> doesn't simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4
> hours while its resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...
> 
> Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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RE: Amazon Web Services continues Windows push with PowerShell - Computerworld

[Michael B. Smith]

Widely expected. :) And required for AWS to be a full-fledged client with 
Microsoft's private cloud push.

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Amazon Web Services continues Windows push with PowerShell - 
Computerworld


Interesting move. Thought some of the PS gurus here might enjoy this.

http://m.computerworld.com/s/article/9234421/Amazon_Web_Services_continues_Windows_push_with_PowerShell?source=rss_latest_content&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+computerworld%2Fnews%2Ffeed+%28Latest+from+Computerworld%29

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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Andrew S. Baker]

I think the issue is that it is not fully understood what you are trying to
accomplish.

As for troubleshooting, what did you look at?  What errors are in your
EventLog, etc...





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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Patrick Hasenjager wrote:

> If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your
> definition be?  Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it
> seems that all people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our
> institution.
>
> >>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
> Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not
> sure what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if
> somehow the server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS
> clustering will switch over to the other node?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering
> already in our ESXi environment.
>
> >>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the
> vastly superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been
> allowed to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I
> can count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and
> attached 4 nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same
> problem exists whether 1 node is connected or up to all 4).  They are
> connected to common LUNs on a NetApp appliance.
>
> Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not
> access one of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had
> configured.  Because this system was not yet being utilized for anyone
> other than myself, I decided to just recreate it.  Now that I have done
> that, I cannot configure any file shares.
>
> When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the
> "volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button.  I can type a path,
> but it states that it is not valid for the particular server.  According to
> the console, everything is "Running" and "Online."  I also cannot access
> the administrative share for the drive which is attached to the role.
>
> I am at a complete loss for ideas and Internet searches have turned up
> absolutely nothing regarding the problem I am having.  I'm sure I am
> missing something simple, but cannot come up with what that is.  Can anyone
> assist me?  Feel free to contact me off-list if it is more convenient.
>
>
>
> PATRICK HASENJAGER | Network Administrator Kansas City University of
> Medicine and Biosciences | Information Technology phone 816.654.7712 | fax
> 816.654.7701 email phasenja...@kcumb.edu |  www.kcumb.edu
>
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Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Bill Humphries]

I bet there is an app for that.

-Original Message- 
From: Tigran K

Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

An iPhone with the camera pointed at the temp meter?

--Tigran

On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, "Kennedy, Jim"  
wrote:


Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a 
simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that 
sends texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in 
'cell phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones 
we are finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.



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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Steven Peck]

While I like your summary for the most part, evidently my experience with
MS Clusters while admittedly dated, windows2003 era mostly Exchange and
SQL, we didn't experience them as fragile.  Complex yes, but most issues
were the result of shooting ourselves in the foot rather then the cluster
technology itself.  With the Best Practice Analyzers this is easier to
avoid now.

But we're back to what is meant/desired goal of the original post.  'VMware
clusters' provide for resilience and reduced downtime.  If hardware fails,
all guests on that node are dead.  True, the remaining live nodes will
usually bring them up quickly but they are still dead until then and if
there were dependencies, etc. the various services may still need manual
intervention.

So, if you need a service availability then you need to look at your SLA
and match them with the various options..

So, this thread started with one thing and then wandered afar into various
technologies  What needs to be solved?

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Ken Cornetet wrote:

> Patrick, I am sorry if I came across as attacking your choices. My
> intention was to steer you toward  a path that will lead to a happier
> future for you.
>
> The purpose of clustering is to protect against downtime in case something
> fails, or is intentionally taken down for preventative maintenance.
>
> So here are some "somethings" that might happen:
>
> 1. Hardware failure. Both MS and VMWare clustering will protect against
> this.
>
> 2.  OS failure - the OS bluescreens. Both MS and VMWare protect against
> this. VMWare detects missing vmware tools heartbeats and migrates the
> server.
>
> 3. The application service crashes (stops). You don't need clustering to
> protect against this, you set the service to auto-restart.
>
> 4. The application service gets lost in space and stops working (but is
> still running). Neither MS or VMWare can protect against this without you
> hitching on some sort of monitoring system.
>
> 5. Patching or other PM. This is where MS clustering can *theoretically*
> reduce (not eliminate) downtime  if you have an active/passive cluster. In
> an active/passive cluster, you patch the passive system, reboot, fail over
> to it, then patch and reboot the original active server. However, there is
> still down time as the service is stopped on one node and restarted on the
> other. The only thing that MS clustering eliminates is the time of the
> server reboot. In VMWare, virtuals boot so fast that this only saves you
> less than a minute.
>
> MS clusters have some disadvantages:
>
> 1. Most every service that you run clustered has limitations and caveats
> when running clustered.
> 2. Backing up the data requires a cluster aware backup agent.
> 3. You application settings have to be replicated between nodes - usually
> manually. This can lead to problems when they aren't in sync.
> 4. MS clusters are "fragile". In the old days (windows 2000) clusters
> would go toes up for little or no reason and you'd have to spend hours
> tweaking registry settings and disk signatures to get it back up. This
> improved vastly with Server 2003  - clusters stop failing for no reason,
> but even at Server 2008 R2, clusters are a pain to do disaster recovery
> with.
>
> In contrast, VMWare clusters just work, and work seamlessly. You don't
> need to take anything special into account on your protected virtuals.
> Normal application settings, normal backups, etc. There is no extra
> complexity to manage.
>
> Admittedly, I've not looked at Server 2012's clustering because we've been
> migrating away from MS clusters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your
> definition be?  Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it
> seems that all people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our
> institution.
>
> >>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
> Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not
> sure what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if
> somehow the server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS
> clustering will switch over to the other node?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering
> already in our ESXi environment.
>
> >>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the
> vastly superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wedne

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ziots, Edward]

I agree with the RTO statement, which is supposed to be specified in the BCP/DR 
plan after the BIA is completed. This will let you know how much and how 
quickly things need to be brought back. Again we all know we aren't told about 
these things, until something goes down and it gets painful for the business 
and they come back and ask why it isn't HA configuration and you go spend a ton 
of money making everything and its brother HA, at costs that probably aren't 
justified in some cases. 

Thanks for the refresher discussion I gotta keep this stuff in my head for 2 
more days till my CISA exam on Saturday...

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

Valid point Z, but I think you also have to consider loss of 
productivity/revenue and RTO.   

Suppose I have a mission critical system that fails due to ... let's say a 
corrupt OS file.   If it takes 1 hour to recover a single-instance server 
(Physical or VM) vs. 2 minutes to fail over to a secondary node in a cluster,  
that's 58 minutes of avoidable downtime to my employees.   

Further suppose that the business unit that relies on this system  generates 
approximately  $50,000 in revenue per hour.   That is about $48,000 in lost 
revenue.   I realize this is simplifying the issue a bit, but to me, in this 
case, it is worth the extra effort to avoid that additional downtime.

I think it really boils down to what is acceptable risk to the business on a 
particular system - there is no real cut-and-dried answer.

Jim

Jim Holmgren
Director of Technology Infrastructure
XLHealth Corporation
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-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

This is a valid case, but how many times in a year does this happen. ( ALE= SLE 
X ARO). So it's a 300,000 event that say happens 5 times a year
.005  300,000 X .013 (5/365)=3,900 dollars you can afford to spend to fix the 
issue and the cost of the control is in line with the Annual Lost Expectancy of 
the event factored over the year. 

I am sure a cluster and hardware costs more than 3,900, therefore cost of 
control is higher than the expected loss, you usually don't implement that 
control. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan 
Organization ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service doesn't 
simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4 hours while its 
resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ken Cornetet]

If the service doesn't start on one server, what makes you think it would start 
on the other server?

If the service wouldn't start on the original server, it is probably because 
either the data is whacked, or there is some external resource that isn't 
available (user ID locked, database server not available, etc).  When the 
service tries to start on the failover node, it is going to see the same 
problems.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service doesn't 
simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4 hours while its 
resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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RE: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Kennedy, Jim]

Perfect. Tyvm.

Although the Iphone camera pointed at a thermometer is tempting. ☺

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

One of these
http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-rems.html

with one of these
http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-sensor-alert.html#ThreeGU


On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a simple 
standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that sends texts. 
But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in 'cell phone' 
rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones we are finding use 
an internet send, that seems dangerous.


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RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ken Cornetet]

Patrick, I am sorry if I came across as attacking your choices. My intention 
was to steer you toward  a path that will lead to a happier future for you.

The purpose of clustering is to protect against downtime in case something 
fails, or is intentionally taken down for preventative maintenance.

So here are some "somethings" that might happen:

1. Hardware failure. Both MS and VMWare clustering will protect against this.

2.  OS failure - the OS bluescreens. Both MS and VMWare protect against this. 
VMWare detects missing vmware tools heartbeats and migrates the server.

3. The application service crashes (stops). You don't need clustering to 
protect against this, you set the service to auto-restart.

4. The application service gets lost in space and stops working (but is still 
running). Neither MS or VMWare can protect against this without you hitching on 
some sort of monitoring system.

5. Patching or other PM. This is where MS clustering can *theoretically* reduce 
(not eliminate) downtime  if you have an active/passive cluster. In an 
active/passive cluster, you patch the passive system, reboot, fail over to it, 
then patch and reboot the original active server. However, there is still down 
time as the service is stopped on one node and restarted on the other. The only 
thing that MS clustering eliminates is the time of the server reboot. In 
VMWare, virtuals boot so fast that this only saves you less than a minute.

MS clusters have some disadvantages:

1. Most every service that you run clustered has limitations and caveats when 
running clustered.
2. Backing up the data requires a cluster aware backup agent.
3. You application settings have to be replicated between nodes - usually 
manually. This can lead to problems when they aren't in sync.
4. MS clusters are "fragile". In the old days (windows 2000) clusters would go 
toes up for little or no reason and you'd have to spend hours tweaking registry 
settings and disk signatures to get it back up. This improved vastly with 
Server 2003  - clusters stop failing for no reason, but even at Server 2008 R2, 
clusters are a pain to do disaster recovery with.

In contrast, VMWare clusters just work, and work seamlessly. You don't need to 
take anything special into account on your protected virtuals. Normal 
application settings, normal backups, etc. There is no extra complexity to 
manage.

Admittedly, I've not looked at Server 2012's clustering because we've been 
migrating away from MS clusters.

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your definition 
be?  Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it seems that all 
people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our institution.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not sure 
what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if somehow the 
server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS clustering will 
switch over to the other node?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering already in 
our ESXi environment.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed to 
purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can count!).  I 
created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 nodes to it 
(all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists whether 1 node is 
connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common LUNs on a NetApp 
appliance.
 
Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access one 
of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  Because 
this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, I decided 
to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot configure any file 
shares.
 
When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
"volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button.  I can type a path, but 
it states that it is not valid for the particular server.  According to the 
console, everything is "Running" and "Online."  I also cannot access the 
administrative share f

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Jim Holmgren]

Valid point Z, but I think you also have to consider loss of 
productivity/revenue and RTO.   

Suppose I have a mission critical system that fails due to ... let's say a 
corrupt OS file.   If it takes 1 hour to recover a single-instance server 
(Physical or VM) vs. 2 minutes to fail over to a secondary node in a cluster,  
that's 58 minutes of avoidable downtime to my employees.   

Further suppose that the business unit that relies on this system  generates 
approximately  $50,000 in revenue per hour.   That is about $48,000 in lost 
revenue.   I realize this is simplifying the issue a bit, but to me, in this 
case, it is worth the extra effort to avoid that additional downtime.

I think it really boils down to what is acceptable risk to the business on a 
particular system - there is no real cut-and-dried answer.

Jim

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-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

This is a valid case, but how many times in a year does this happen. ( ALE= SLE 
X ARO). So it's a 300,000 event that say happens 5 times a year
.005  300,000 X .013 (5/365)=3,900 dollars you can afford to spend to fix the 
issue and the cost of the control is in line with the Annual Lost Expectancy of 
the event factored over the year. 

I am sure a cluster and hardware costs more than 3,900, therefore cost of 
control is higher than the expected loss, you usually don't implement that 
control. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network + Security Engineer Lifespan 
Organization ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service doesn't 
simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4 hours while its 
resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

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Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Kevin Lundy]

ITWatchdog devices have optional accessories for PSTN or cell autodialers.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

> Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a
> simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that
> sends texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in
> 'cell phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones
> we are finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.
>
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Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Richard Stovall]

One of these
http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-rems.html

with one of these
http://www.networktechinc.com/enviro-sensor-alert.html#ThreeGU



On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

> Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a
> simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that
> sends texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in
> 'cell phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones
> we are finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.
>
>
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RE: Server room monitoring/alerts

[John Cook]

Get a monitoring solution to cover the temp/humidity/water intrusion on the 
floor, plug it into a switch that only shares a connection to a (laptop) 
computer either tethered to a phone or with a wireless card installed to send 
the SMS messages. All of the elements need to be powered by a dedicated UPS so 
it's an isolated system. A little convoluted but you asked!

-Original Message-
From: Tigran K [mailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

An iPhone with the camera pointed at the temp meter?

--Tigran

On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, "Kennedy, Jim"  wrote:

> Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a 
> simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that sends 
> texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in 'cell 
> phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones we are 
> finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.
>
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RE: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Ziots, Edward]

I would look into APC's offering in these 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server room monitoring/alerts

Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a
simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that
sends texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built
in 'cell phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The
ones we are finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.


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Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Roger Wright]

Sensaphone?



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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

> Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a
> simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that
> sends texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in
> 'cell phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones
> we are finding use an internet send, that seems dangerous.
>
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Re: Server room monitoring/alerts

[Tigran K]

An iPhone with the camera pointed at the temp meter?

--Tigran

On Dec 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, "Kennedy, Jim"  wrote:

> Anyone have any opinions on room environment monitoring. Nothing fancy a 
> simple standalone system that monitors power and temp and humidity that sends 
> texts. But here is the rub, we think it should use its own built in 'cell 
> phone' rather than rely on the network that might be down. The ones we are 
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>
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Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[Andrew S. Baker]

I migrated one server live and one that was shutdown from 2012 to 2012.  No
difference in the operation other than speed.  The one that was off was
smaller, which I'm sure helped, but it was faster.  The one that was up
continued to run without me losing more than a few pings.  It was sweet. :)

Now, I'm upgrading the other server with 6 VMs on it.  We'll see how that
goes.  LOLThe one-by-one migration from 2008-R2 to 2012 was too slow
for me.





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On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM’s on it,
> think I’ll try the migration tonight myself….
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
> ** **
>
> Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's
> looks like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using
> the new Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.
>
>
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* 
>
> *Providing Expert Technology Consulting Services for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being
> handled by the guest VM’s.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB
>
>  
>
> I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it
> requires any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server
> isn't what your looking for. 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
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>
>
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> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:David Lum 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
> Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB 
>  --
>
>
>
>
> This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789
>
> It can be argued that if I’m going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not
> go to 2012.
>
> Next question….how nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I
> go from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively
> server core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything
> obvious?
>
> I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least
> protecting the VM’s themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but
> technically simple. Time for more research.
>
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RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ziots, Edward]

This is a valid case, but how many times in a year does this happen. (
ALE= SLE X ARO). So it's a 300,000 event that say happens 5 times a year
.005  300,000 X .013 (5/365)=3,900 dollars you can afford to spend to
fix the issue and the cost of the control is in line with the Annual
Lost Expectancy of the event factored over the year. 

I am sure a cluster and hardware costs more than 3,900, therefore cost
of control is higher than the expected loss, you usually don't implement
that control. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is
overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service
doesn't simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4
hours while its resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Kurt Buff]

Reasonable, but that sounds more like application failover rather than
OS failover.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> If the service (e.g. SQL Server or the File Service) fails then VMWare has 
> limited options for detected and failing that service over to another node. 
> Likewise if a part of the operating system stops responding/working.
>
> What VMWare does provide well is the ability to cater for faults at the 
> hardware level. Stuff like vMotion and storage motion you can, give or take a 
> few features, get with Hyper-V v3
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:03 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> erm...
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by OS failover vs. hardware failover.
>
> VMware, depending on the version you've purchased, will indeed provide what I 
> would think of as OS failover, in one of two ways, depending on how much 
> money you've spent - perhaps you can enlighten me on that point.
>
> With Essentials Plus, if your physical host blows up/melts down,the VMs on 
> that node appears on another node of your cluster as if they've been 
> rebooted. You can also seamlessly migrate a running VM from one host to 
> another via vMotion, if both are in working order.
>
> With more expensive versions of VMware, if the physical host faults, the VMs 
> on that node will seamlessly migrate to one of your other nodes - no down 
> time at all. Also with the more expensive versions of VMware, you get Storage 
> vMotion, which allows you to move a VM, while it's running, from one SAN LUN 
> to another, along with regular vMotion.
>
> Depending on version purchased, VMware nodes can also monitor VMs and if one 
> fails or stops responding they can restart the VM.
>
> Granted, this isn't the same kind of functionality a (for instance) SQL 
> cluster provides, but it's pretty dang cool, IMHO.
>
> Whether you should do an MS cluster on top of your VMware cluster is 
> something I don't have experience with, however, so can't speak to it.
>
> I also do not as yet have any experience with HyperV, so can't compare it 
> meaningfully to VMware products.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Holmgren  wrote:
>> That's a pretty bold statement.   ESX clustering does not provide 
>> application or OS failover - only hardware failover.
>>
>> I would not call ESX clustering "vastly superior" to Microsoft clustering.  
>> They provide different functionality.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Jim Holmgren
>> Director of Technology Infrastructure
>> XLHealth Corporation
>> The Warehouse at Camden Yards
>> 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
>> Baltimore, MD 21201
>> 410.625.2200 (main)
>> 443.524.8573 (direct)
>> 443-506.2400 (cell)
>> www.xlhealth.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:04 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>>
>> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
>> superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>>
>> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed 
>> to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can 
>> count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 
>> 4 nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists 
>> whether 1 node is connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common 
>> LUNs on a NetApp appliance.
>>
>> Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access 
>> one of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  
>> Because this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, 
>> I decided to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot 
>> configure any file shares.
>>
>> When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
>> "volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button.  I can type a path, 
>> but it states that it is not valid for the particular server.  According to 
>> the console, everything is "Running" and "Online."  I also cannot access the 
>> administrative share for the drive which is attached to the role.
>>
>> I am at a complete loss for ideas and Internet searches have turned up 
>> absolutely nothing regarding the problem I am having.  I'm sure I am missing 
>> something simple, but cannot come up with what that is.  Can anyone assist 
>> me?  Feel free to contact me off-list if it is more convenient.
>>
>>
>>
>> PATRICK HASENJAGER | Network Administrator Kansas City University of
>> Medic

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Joseph L. Casale]

> Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is overkill.

I think that statement might be a bit to general. What if that service doesn't
simply "restart" and 2500 people have their work impacted for 4 hours while
its resolved? 2500*$30*4=$300,000.00 as an example...

Does that "application" cluster investment still sound unrealistic?
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RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ziots, Edward]

Yep setting up a cluster just to protect against a service dying is overkill. I 
would just set the restart of the service and an email out to the admin that it 
went down, which would be easier and cheaper than building a cluster and having 
it fail between one node or the other. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
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-Original Message-
From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If you want to protect against a service dying, just set the service to auto 
restart.

If you think that MS clustering will protect you against a service going out to 
lunch (running, but otherwise not working), I believe you will be disappointed.

Admittedly, I've not looked at the improvements of MS clustering in Server 
2012, but we've done a fair amount of MS clusters from Windows 2000 up to 
Server 2008 R2, and I'm not a big fan of it. Yes, when it works - it works 
well. However, when it doesn't, you are in for a LOT of hair pulling. Try 
recovering a cluster from system state backups sometime. 

In contrast, ESX clusters just work. They work seamlessly and transparently.  
It does not complicate disaster recovery.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If the service (e.g. SQL Server or the File Service) fails then VMWare has 
limited options for detected and failing that service over to another node. 
Likewise if a part of the operating system stops responding/working.

What VMWare does provide well is the ability to cater for faults at the 
hardware level. Stuff like vMotion and storage motion you can, give or take a 
few features, get with Hyper-V v3

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

erm...

I'm not sure what you mean by OS failover vs. hardware failover.

VMware, depending on the version you've purchased, will indeed provide what I 
would think of as OS failover, in one of two ways, depending on how much money 
you've spent - perhaps you can enlighten me on that point.

With Essentials Plus, if your physical host blows up/melts down,the VMs on that 
node appears on another node of your cluster as if they've been rebooted. You 
can also seamlessly migrate a running VM from one host to another via vMotion, 
if both are in working order.

With more expensive versions of VMware, if the physical host faults, the VMs on 
that node will seamlessly migrate to one of your other nodes - no down time at 
all. Also with the more expensive versions of VMware, you get Storage vMotion, 
which allows you to move a VM, while it's running, from one SAN LUN to another, 
along with regular vMotion.

Depending on version purchased, VMware nodes can also monitor VMs and if one 
fails or stops responding they can restart the VM.

Granted, this isn't the same kind of functionality a (for instance) SQL cluster 
provides, but it's pretty dang cool, IMHO.

Whether you should do an MS cluster on top of your VMware cluster is something 
I don't have experience with, however, so can't speak to it.

I also do not as yet have any experience with HyperV, so can't compare it 
meaningfully to VMware products.

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Holmgren  wrote:
> That's a pretty bold statement.   ESX clustering does not provide application 
> or OS failover - only hardware failover.
>
> I would not call ESX clustering "vastly superior" to Microsoft clustering.  
> They provide different functionality.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Holmgren
> Director of Technology Infrastructure
> XLHealth Corporation
> The Warehouse at Camden Yards
> 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
> Baltimore, MD 21201
> 410.625.2200 (main)
> 443.524.8573 (direct)
> 443-506.2400 (cell)
> www.xlhealth.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
> superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed 
> to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can 
> count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 
> nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ziots, Edward]

Using UCS here, 

Z

Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, Security +, Network +
Security Engineer
Lifespan Organization
ezi...@lifespan.org


-Original Message-
From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

I think Ken stated it well.In the case of a service failing - or heaven 
forbid a critical OS file ("ntoskrnl.exe is missing or corrupt", anyone?) - 
VMware really gives you minimal protection.

Please don't get me wrong - I am a HUGE  VMware fan, we have about 600-ish VMs 
here running with VMotion, Site Recovery Manager and all the rest of the 
goodies.   It just provides fault tolerance on a lower layer than traditional 
clustering.  I prefer both given the option.

Anyone using UCS?   We are starting to move heavily into that arena.

Jim Holmgren
Director of Technology Infrastructure
XLHealth Corporation
The Warehouse at Camden Yards
351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
Baltimore, MD 21201 
410.625.2200 (main)
443.524.8573 (direct)
443-506.2400 (cell)
www.xlhealth.com




-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If the service (e.g. SQL Server or the File Service) fails then VMWare has 
limited options for detected and failing that service over to another node. 
Likewise if a part of the operating system stops responding/working.

What VMWare does provide well is the ability to cater for faults at the 
hardware level. Stuff like vMotion and storage motion you can, give or take a 
few features, get with Hyper-V v3

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

erm...

I'm not sure what you mean by OS failover vs. hardware failover.

VMware, depending on the version you've purchased, will indeed provide what I 
would think of as OS failover, in one of two ways, depending on how much money 
you've spent - perhaps you can enlighten me on that point.

With Essentials Plus, if your physical host blows up/melts down,the VMs on that 
node appears on another node of your cluster as if they've been rebooted. You 
can also seamlessly migrate a running VM from one host to another via vMotion, 
if both are in working order.

With more expensive versions of VMware, if the physical host faults, the VMs on 
that node will seamlessly migrate to one of your other nodes - no down time at 
all. Also with the more expensive versions of VMware, you get Storage vMotion, 
which allows you to move a VM, while it's running, from one SAN LUN to another, 
along with regular vMotion.

Depending on version purchased, VMware nodes can also monitor VMs and if one 
fails or stops responding they can restart the VM.

Granted, this isn't the same kind of functionality a (for instance) SQL cluster 
provides, but it's pretty dang cool, IMHO.

Whether you should do an MS cluster on top of your VMware cluster is something 
I don't have experience with, however, so can't speak to it.

I also do not as yet have any experience with HyperV, so can't compare it 
meaningfully to VMware products.

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Holmgren  wrote:
> That's a pretty bold statement.   ESX clustering does not provide application 
> or OS failover - only hardware failover.
>
> I would not call ESX clustering "vastly superior" to Microsoft clustering.  
> They provide different functionality.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Holmgren
> Director of Technology Infrastructure
> XLHealth Corporation
> The Warehouse at Camden Yards
> 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
> Baltimore, MD 21201
> 410.625.2200 (main)
> 443.524.8573 (direct)
> 443-506.2400 (cell)
> www.xlhealth.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
> superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed 
> to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can 
> count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 
> nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists 
> whether 1 node is connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common 
> LUNs on a NetApp appliance.
>
> Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not acc

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ken Cornetet]

If you want to protect against a service dying, just set the service to auto 
restart.

If you think that MS clustering will protect you against a service going out to 
lunch (running, but otherwise not working), I believe you will be disappointed.

Admittedly, I've not looked at the improvements of MS clustering in Server 
2012, but we've done a fair amount of MS clusters from Windows 2000 up to 
Server 2008 R2, and I'm not a big fan of it. Yes, when it works - it works 
well. However, when it doesn't, you are in for a LOT of hair pulling. Try 
recovering a cluster from system state backups sometime. 

In contrast, ESX clusters just work. They work seamlessly and transparently.  
It does not complicate disaster recovery.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If the service (e.g. SQL Server or the File Service) fails then VMWare has 
limited options for detected and failing that service over to another node. 
Likewise if a part of the operating system stops responding/working.

What VMWare does provide well is the ability to cater for faults at the 
hardware level. Stuff like vMotion and storage motion you can, give or take a 
few features, get with Hyper-V v3

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

erm...

I'm not sure what you mean by OS failover vs. hardware failover.

VMware, depending on the version you've purchased, will indeed provide what I 
would think of as OS failover, in one of two ways, depending on how much money 
you've spent - perhaps you can enlighten me on that point.

With Essentials Plus, if your physical host blows up/melts down,the VMs on that 
node appears on another node of your cluster as if they've been rebooted. You 
can also seamlessly migrate a running VM from one host to another via vMotion, 
if both are in working order.

With more expensive versions of VMware, if the physical host faults, the VMs on 
that node will seamlessly migrate to one of your other nodes - no down time at 
all. Also with the more expensive versions of VMware, you get Storage vMotion, 
which allows you to move a VM, while it's running, from one SAN LUN to another, 
along with regular vMotion.

Depending on version purchased, VMware nodes can also monitor VMs and if one 
fails or stops responding they can restart the VM.

Granted, this isn't the same kind of functionality a (for instance) SQL cluster 
provides, but it's pretty dang cool, IMHO.

Whether you should do an MS cluster on top of your VMware cluster is something 
I don't have experience with, however, so can't speak to it.

I also do not as yet have any experience with HyperV, so can't compare it 
meaningfully to VMware products.

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Holmgren  wrote:
> That's a pretty bold statement.   ESX clustering does not provide application 
> or OS failover - only hardware failover.
>
> I would not call ESX clustering "vastly superior" to Microsoft clustering.  
> They provide different functionality.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Holmgren
> Director of Technology Infrastructure
> XLHealth Corporation
> The Warehouse at Camden Yards
> 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
> Baltimore, MD 21201
> 410.625.2200 (main)
> 443.524.8573 (direct)
> 443-506.2400 (cell)
> www.xlhealth.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
> superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed 
> to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can 
> count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 
> nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists 
> whether 1 node is connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common 
> LUNs on a NetApp appliance.
>
> Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access 
> one of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  
> Because this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, 
> I decided to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot configure 
> any file shares.
>
> When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
> "volumes" is blank and I cannot use the bro

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Patrick Hasenjager]

If that is not the purpose of failover clustering, what would your definition 
be?  Maybe I need to go another route to resolve this, as it seems that all 
people want to do is attack the choices we have made for our institution.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/6/2012 7:46 AM >>>
Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not sure 
what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if somehow the 
server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS clustering will 
switch over to the other node?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering already in 
our ESXi environment.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed to 
purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can count!).  I 
created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 nodes to it 
(all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists whether 1 node is 
connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common LUNs on a NetApp 
appliance.
 
Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access one 
of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  Because 
this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, I decided 
to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot configure any file 
shares.
 
When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
"volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button.  I can type a path, but 
it states that it is not valid for the particular server.  According to the 
console, everything is "Running" and "Online."  I also cannot access the 
administrative share for the drive which is attached to the role.
 
I am at a complete loss for ideas and Internet searches have turned up 
absolutely nothing regarding the problem I am having.  I'm sure I am missing 
something simple, but cannot come up with what that is.  Can anyone assist me?  
Feel free to contact me off-list if it is more convenient.
 
 

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RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

[David Lum]

Cool. At home I have a 2008 R2 server running Hyper-V and 2 VM's on it, think 
I'll try the migration tonight myself

Dave

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

Well, VM Host #1 just rebooted successfully after the upgrade, and it's looks 
like all is well.  I'm going to practice moving around some VMs using the new 
Live Migration functionality and see how it plays out.






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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:23 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
It only needs to host, I already have all those other functions being handled 
by the guest VM's.

From: Christopher Bodnar 
[mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

I think it only comes down to what this box needs to do for you? If it requires 
any other roles (DHCP, WINS, DNS, DC, etc) then Hyper-V server isn't what 
your looking for.
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
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From:David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:12/05/2012 01:48 PM
Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB




This makes it look like the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V server supports 1TB:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj647789

It can be argued that if I'm going to change Hyper-V host OS then why not go to 
2012.

Next questionhow nervous should I be about the guests if on the host I go 
from full 2008 w/ Hyper-V as the host to 2012 Hyper-V (effectively server 
core). Seems pretty simple on the surface, am I overlooking anything obvious?

I guess the fallback would be to reinstall the full 2008 R2 OS, as least 
protecting the VM's themselves is pretty straightforward. Time eater, but 
technically simple. Time for more research.

Dave

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

And the Hyper-V version is free.
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
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From:Mike Hoffman mailto:m...@drumbrae.net>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:12/05/2012 11:28 AM
Subject:RE: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB






What about 2012 - 4Tb limit.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: 05 December 2012 16:15
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cheapest way to get Hyper-V and 64GB

I have a client system that can physically hold 64GB of RAM, is $2000+ 2008 R2 
Server Enterprise the only way to use that much RAM with Hyper-V guests? 64-bit 
Server Standard only recognizes 32GB...
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Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
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RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Jim Holmgren]

I think Ken stated it well.In the case of a service failing - or heaven 
forbid a critical OS file ("ntoskrnl.exe is missing or corrupt", anyone?) - 
VMware really gives you minimal protection.

Please don't get me wrong - I am a HUGE  VMware fan, we have about 600-ish VMs 
here running with VMotion, Site Recovery Manager and all the rest of the 
goodies.   It just provides fault tolerance on a lower layer than traditional 
clustering.  I prefer both given the option.

Anyone using UCS?   We are starting to move heavily into that arena.

Jim Holmgren
Director of Technology Infrastructure
XLHealth Corporation
The Warehouse at Camden Yards
351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
Baltimore, MD 21201 
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-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

If the service (e.g. SQL Server or the File Service) fails then VMWare has 
limited options for detected and failing that service over to another node. 
Likewise if a part of the operating system stops responding/working.

What VMWare does provide well is the ability to cater for faults at the 
hardware level. Stuff like vMotion and storage motion you can, give or take a 
few features, get with Hyper-V v3

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 6 December 2012 11:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

erm...

I'm not sure what you mean by OS failover vs. hardware failover.

VMware, depending on the version you've purchased, will indeed provide what I 
would think of as OS failover, in one of two ways, depending on how much money 
you've spent - perhaps you can enlighten me on that point.

With Essentials Plus, if your physical host blows up/melts down,the VMs on that 
node appears on another node of your cluster as if they've been rebooted. You 
can also seamlessly migrate a running VM from one host to another via vMotion, 
if both are in working order.

With more expensive versions of VMware, if the physical host faults, the VMs on 
that node will seamlessly migrate to one of your other nodes - no down time at 
all. Also with the more expensive versions of VMware, you get Storage vMotion, 
which allows you to move a VM, while it's running, from one SAN LUN to another, 
along with regular vMotion.

Depending on version purchased, VMware nodes can also monitor VMs and if one 
fails or stops responding they can restart the VM.

Granted, this isn't the same kind of functionality a (for instance) SQL cluster 
provides, but it's pretty dang cool, IMHO.

Whether you should do an MS cluster on top of your VMware cluster is something 
I don't have experience with, however, so can't speak to it.

I also do not as yet have any experience with HyperV, so can't compare it 
meaningfully to VMware products.

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jim Holmgren  wrote:
> That's a pretty bold statement.   ESX clustering does not provide application 
> or OS failover - only hardware failover.
>
> I would not call ESX clustering "vastly superior" to Microsoft clustering.  
> They provide different functionality.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Holmgren
> Director of Technology Infrastructure
> XLHealth Corporation
> The Warehouse at Camden Yards
> 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100
> Baltimore, MD 21201
> 410.625.2200 (main)
> 443.524.8573 (direct)
> 443-506.2400 (cell)
> www.xlhealth.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Cornetet [mailto:ken.corne...@kimball.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
> superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012
>
> We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed 
> to purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can 
> count!).  I created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 
> nodes to it (all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists 
> whether 1 node is connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common 
> LUNs on a NetApp appliance.
>
> Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access 
> one of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  
> Because this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, 
> I decided to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot configure 
> any file shares.
>
> When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Serv

RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Ken Cornetet]

Maybe I'm missing something. What it is you hope to protect against? I not sure 
what you mean by "services" clustering. Are you thinking that if somehow the 
server service gets hosed on one node of the cluster that MS clustering will 
switch over to the other node?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 5:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering already in 
our ESXi environment.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed to 
purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can count!).  I 
created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 nodes to it 
(all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists whether 1 node is 
connected or up to all 4).  They are connected to common LUNs on a NetApp 
appliance.
 
Yesterday, everything went to hell.  It started off that I could not access one 
of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured.  Because 
this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, I decided 
to just recreate it.  Now that I have done that, I cannot configure any file 
shares.
 
When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
"volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button.  I can type a path, but 
it states that it is not valid for the particular server.  According to the 
console, everything is "Running" and "Online."  I also cannot access the 
administrative share for the drive which is attached to the role.
 
I am at a complete loss for ideas and Internet searches have turned up 
absolutely nothing regarding the problem I am having.  I'm sure I am missing 
something simple, but cannot come up with what that is.  Can anyone assist me?  
Feel free to contact me off-list if it is more convenient.
 
 

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and Biosciences | Information Technology phone 816.654.7712 | fax 816.654.7701 
email phasenja...@kcumb.edu |  www.kcumb.edu 
 


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Re: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

[Patrick Hasenjager]

Do to requirements and infrastructure, we need to do our file shares from the 
server side.

>>> On 12/5/2012 at 4:22 PM, Robert Cato  wrote:

Did you not license CIFS on the NetApp? Have you considered using the NetApp as 
your file server? That is a far simpler and has several benefits 
(de-duplication, snapshots, replication). 
Robert


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Patrick Hasenjager  
wrote:


We want "services" clustering in addition to the hardware clustering already in 
our ESXi environment.

>>> Ken Cornetet  12/5/2012 4:03 PM >>>
Why in the world would you use a Microsoft cluster when you have the vastly 
superior and easier ESX clustering to provide failover?

-Original Message-
From: Patrick Hasenjager [mailto:phasenja...@kcumb.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: File Services Clustering in Server 2012

We are just getting into clustering services, now that we have been allowed to 
purchase a SAN (we have only been asking for more years than I can count!). I 
created a failover cluster in Server 2012 Standard and attached 4 nodes to it 
(all virtuals with VMware ESXi 5.1 - the same problem exists whether 1 node is 
connected or up to all 4). They are connected to common LUNs on a NetApp 
appliance.

Yesterday, everything went to hell. It started off that I could not access one 
of the file shares and then two... then all 4 that we had configured. Because 
this system was not yet being utilized for anyone other than myself, I decided 
to just recreate it. Now that I have done that, I cannot configure any file 
shares.

When I click the "Add File Share" to the cluster role (File Server), the 
"volumes" is blank and I cannot use the browse button. I can type a path, but 
it states that it is not valid for the particular server. According to the 
console, everything is "Running" and "Online." I also cannot access the 
administrative share for the drive which is attached to the role.

I am at a complete loss for ideas and Internet searches have turned up 
absolutely nothing regarding the problem I am having. I'm sure I am missing 
something simple, but cannot come up with what that is. Can anyone assist me? 
Feel free to contact me off-list if it is more convenient.



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and Biosciences | Information Technology phone 816.654.7712 | fax 816.654.7701 
email phasenja...@kcumb.edu | www.kcumb.edu 



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