RE: Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Hi 
Thanks 
Ok another one to check out 


-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:richard.mccl...@aspca.org] 
Sent: 06 August 2012 12:53
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Check out UltraBac.  Great support (best part - rarely needed!), and they claim 
to have an AIX agent.

You can download their entire product and use it free for a month. I'm sure 
they'd be willing to work with you on AIX...

http://www.ultrabac.com

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Thanks
I know many backup solutions exist and some look truly great; but unless they 
support IBM Unix "AIX version 4.3.3 and version 5.1" (requirements)

They are of no use to us here
Mainly because we need to backup ALL our server

Regards
Nigel 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: 05 August 2012 00:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

AppAssure's Replay, now owned by Dell.  I have been using it for years.  Works 
fantastic, backup failures are rare.  Backup directly to standyVM, dedup, 
compression and encrypted replication to another Replay Core server.  Doesn't 
do Linux though.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive move for 
the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of 
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to 
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a 
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup 
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an 
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this 
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ult

RE: Backup software

[Richard McClary]

Check out UltraBac.  Great support (best part - rarely needed!), and they claim 
to have an AIX agent.

You can download their entire product and use it free for a month. I'm sure 
they'd be willing to work with you on AIX...

http://www.ultrabac.com

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 2:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Thanks 
I know many backup solutions exist and some look truly great; but unless they 
support 
IBM Unix "AIX version 4.3.3 and version 5.1" (requirements)

They are of no use to us here 
Mainly because we need to backup ALL our server

Regards
Nigel 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] 
Sent: 05 August 2012 00:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

AppAssure's Replay, now owned by Dell.  I have been using it for years.  Works 
fantastic, backup failures are rare.  Backup directly to standyVM, dedup, 
compression and encrypted replication to another Replay Core server.  Doesn't 
do Linux though.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive move for 
the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of 
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to 
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a 
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup 
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an 
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this 
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape 
> drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
> 
> Looking for a "supported" solution
> 
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none 
> supported version w

RE: Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Thanks 
I know many backup solutions exist and some look truly great; but unless they 
support 
IBM Unix "AIX version 4.3.3 and version 5.1" (requirements)

They are of no use to us here 
Mainly because we need to backup ALL our server

Regards
Nigel 


-Original Message-
From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] 
Sent: 05 August 2012 00:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

AppAssure's Replay, now owned by Dell.  I have been using it for years.  Works 
fantastic, backup failures are rare.  Backup directly to standyVM, dedup, 
compression and encrypted replication to another Replay Core server.  Doesn't 
do Linux though.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive move for 
the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of 
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to 
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a 
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup 
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an 
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this 
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape 
> drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
> 
> Looking for a "supported" solution
> 
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none 
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version
"may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging 
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
> 
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
> 
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup 
> windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down
the
> costs
> 
> Currently

RE: Backup software

[Greg Sweers]

AppAssure's Replay, now owned by Dell.  I have been using it for years.  Works 
fantastic, backup failures are rare.  Backup directly to standyVM, dedup, 
compression and encrypted replication to another Replay Core server.  Doesn't 
do Linux though.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive move for 
the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of 
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to 
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a 
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup 
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an 
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this 
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape 
> drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
> 
> Looking for a "supported" solution
> 
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none 
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version
"may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging 
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
> 
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
> 
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup 
> windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down
the
> costs
> 
> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at 
> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
> 
> Nigel Parker
> Systems Engineer
> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
> Tel:   01200 452329
> Fax:   01200 452201
> Web:   www.ultraframe.com
> Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> 
> Th

RE: Backup software

[Steven M. Caesare]

Seconded. It replaced NetBackup for us here, and it's been a positive
move for the most part.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 5:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of
> their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we
do, it
> has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a
morning with
> that wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.
> 
> Any questions yell.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok point noted :-)
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know
Commvault
> do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity -
depending
> on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.
> 
> Paul
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Ok thanks for the suggestions
> So I will investigate Commvault and EMC
> 
> I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients
As
> a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The
problem
> for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a
warehouse
> package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to
> upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer
version
> and is about 60k to upgrade
> 
> Thanks
> For the suggestions
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Backup software
> 
> At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
> 
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
> 
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking
> at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup
> server and an lto5 tape drive
> 
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
> 
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
> should be ok for 2-3 years
> 
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
> drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
> 
> Looking for a "supported" solution
> 
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version
"may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
> 
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
> 
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
> windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down
the
> costs
> 
> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
> 
> Nigel Parker
> Systems Engineer
> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
> Tel:   01200 452329
> Fax:   01200 452201
> Web:   www.ultraframe.com
> Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> 
> The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may
> not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd.
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> 
> ~ Finally, p

Re: Backup software

[James Kerr]

S, she doesn't know. What the heart doesn't see, the heart doesn't
grieve over.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

> I wonder what Mrs. Clusterpup would think of this revelation...
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Kerr  wrote:
>
>> I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft
>> Data Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl
>> I'd ask her out to dinner.
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Backup software
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
>>>
>>> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
>>> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at
>>> Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and
>>> an lto5 tape drive
>>>
>>> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
>>> off site tape backup so this must remain)
>>>
>>> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
>>> should be ok for 2-3 years
>>>
>>> HOWEVER
>>> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
>>> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive
>>> The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
>>>
>>> Looking for a "supported" solution
>>>
>>> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
>>> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
>>> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
>>> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
>>>
>>> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
>>>
>>> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
>>> windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
>>> costs
>>>
>>> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
>>> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
>>>
>>> Nigel Parker
>>> Systems Engineer
>>> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
>>> Tel:   01200 452329
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Re: Backup software

[James Kerr]

We don't have any, I was just taking the opportunity to express my love for
DPM.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:43 AM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  What do you do for non-Windows hosts?
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 3 August 2012 2:53 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Backup software
>
> ** **
>
> I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft
> Data Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl
> I'd ask her out to dinner.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
>
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
>
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
>
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at
> Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and
> an lto5 tape drive
>
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off
> site tape backup so this must remain)
>
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
> should be ok for 2-3 years
>
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These
> will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The
> IBM servers cant be upgraded!
>
> Looking for a "supported" solution
>
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
>
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
>
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows
> and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs
>
> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
>
> Nigel Parker
>
> 
>
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RE: Backup software

[Daniel Chenault]

I've some experience with a product made by Datto. A linux box running backup 
software with agents on the targets. Can restore from file level to BMR to 
VMDK. Can store backup images locally and in the cloud and spin up either as a 
VM. Interesting product. 

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of their AIX 
stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we do, it has its 
quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a morning with that 
wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.

Any questions yell.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi 
Ok point noted :-)
Thanks 


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault
do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending
on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi
Ok thanks for the suggestions
So I will investigate Commvault and EMC

I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As
a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem
for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse
package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to
upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer version
and is about 60k to upgrade 

Thanks
For the suggestions  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking
at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup
server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
should be ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
quite a high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
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Fax:   01200 452201
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RE: Backup software

[Paul Hutchings]

FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault.  I have no experience of their AIX 
stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we do, it has its 
quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a morning with that 
wonderful "How many will have failed last night then?" feeling.

Any questions yell.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi 
Ok point noted :-)
Thanks 


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault
do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending
on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi
Ok thanks for the suggestions
So I will investigate Commvault and EMC

I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As
a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem
for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse
package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to
upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer version
and is about 60k to upgrade 

Thanks
For the suggestions  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking
at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup
server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
should be ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
quite a high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com
Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk



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RE: Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Hi 
Ok point noted :-)
Thanks 


-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault
do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending
on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi
Ok thanks for the suggestions
So I will investigate Commvault and EMC

I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As
a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem
for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse
package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to
upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer version
and is about 60k to upgrade 

Thanks
For the suggestions  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking
at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup
server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
should be ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
quite a high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
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Fax:   01200 452201
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RE: Backup software

[Paul Hutchings]

Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault do) 
now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending on 
quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go.

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

Hi
Ok thanks for the suggestions
So I will investigate Commvault and EMC

I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As a lot 
of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem for us is the 
old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse package and doesn't 
run on newer versions and of course would cost to upgrade it the other is an 
ERP system that wont work on a newer version and is about 60k to upgrade 

Thanks
For the suggestions  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com
Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk



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RE: Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Hi 
Ok thanks for the suggestions 
So I will investigate Commvault and EMC

I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As
a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-(
The problem for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is
a warehouse package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course
would cost to upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a
newer version and is about 60k to upgrade 

Thanks 
For the suggestions  

-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup software

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking
at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup
server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
should be ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
quite a high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com
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RE: Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Thanks 

Does this cover AIX running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1?

 

Thanks 

 

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 02 August 2012 17:53
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup software

 

I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft
Data Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a
girl I'd ask her out to dinner.


-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
    Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to
recommendations

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003
and a couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were
looking at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated
backup server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement
for an off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes
this should be ok for 2-3 years

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version
5.1 These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now
none supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version
"may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are
charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences

If any software is available that will do the whole thing
(backup windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep
down the costs

Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are
looking at ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
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RE: Backup software

[Ken Schaefer]

What do you do for non-Windows hosts?

Cheers
Ken

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 3 August 2012 2:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup software

I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft Data 
Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl I'd ask 
her out to dinner.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker 
[mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk<mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk>]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs

Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

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RE: Backup software

[Crawford, Scott]

+1, but then again, I don't have and AIX.

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 11:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup software

I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft Data 
Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl I'd ask 
her out to dinner.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker 
[mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk<mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk>]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs

Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com<http://www.ultraframe.com>
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RE: Backup software

[Kennedy, Jim]

+1

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup software

I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft Data 
Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl I'd ask 
her out to dinner.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker 
[mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk<mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk>]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs

Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com<http://www.ultraframe.com>
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Re: Backup software

[Richard Stovall]

I wonder what Mrs. Clusterpup would think of this revelation...

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:52 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

> I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft
> Data Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl
> I'd ask her out to dinner.
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Backup software
>>
>> Hi
>> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
>>
>> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
>> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at
>> Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and
>> an lto5 tape drive
>>
>> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off
>> site tape backup so this must remain)
>>
>> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
>> should be ok for 2-3 years
>>
>> HOWEVER
>> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
>> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive
>> The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
>>
>> Looking for a "supported" solution
>>
>> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
>> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
>> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
>> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
>>
>> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
>>
>> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows
>> and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs
>>
>> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
>> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
>>
>> Nigel Parker
>> Systems Engineer
>> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
>> Tel:   01200 452329
>> Fax:   01200 452201
>> Web:   www.ultraframe.com
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Re: Backup software

[James Kerr]

I am so happy we don't use backup exec anymore. We are using Microsoft Data
Protection Manager and absolutely love it. I mean it, if it was a girl I'd
ask her out to dinner.

>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup software
>
> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
>
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at
> Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and
> an lto5 tape drive
>
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off
> site tape backup so this must remain)
>
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
> should be ok for 2-3 years
>
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These
> will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The
> IBM servers cant be upgraded!
>
> Looking for a "supported" solution
>
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging
> quite a high premium for backing up to tape
>
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
>
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows
> and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs
>
> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
>
> Nigel Parker
> Systems Engineer
> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
> Tel:   01200 452329
> Fax:   01200 452201
> Web:   www.ultraframe.com
> Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk
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RE: Backup software

[Brad DeHart]

EMC's Networker can do what you are looking for.


Brad DeHart
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Kern Health Systems
(661)664-5068
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-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 1:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs

Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
Tel:   01200 452329
Fax:   01200 452201
Web:   www.ultraframe.com
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RE: Backup software

[Paul Hutchings]

At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that.

-Original Message-
From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] 
Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup software

Hi
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of 
version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec 
backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape 
drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site 
tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be 
ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will 
backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers 
cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported 
version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a 
high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and 
Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a 
spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
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Fax:   01200 452201
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Re: Backup software

[Andrew S. Baker]

I think you'll find it more cost effective to choose one solution per
platform, than attempt to find a solution that will support both platforms
(and well not do so equally in any event).

Also, what budget are you looking at for this project?

-ASB: http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid RAZR
 On Aug 2, 2012 4:11 AM, "Nigel Parker" 
wrote:

> Hi
> Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations
>
> Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
> couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005
> We were looking at Symantec backup exec
> These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape drive
>
> We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
> off site tape backup so this must remain)
>
> The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
> should be ok for 2-3 years
>
> HOWEVER
> We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
> These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
> drive
> The IBM servers cant be upgraded!
>
> Looking for a "supported" solution
>
> We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
> supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
> work but would be unsupported! (no good for us)
> Also they are charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape
>
> Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences
>
> If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
> windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
> costs
>
> Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
> ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)
>
> Nigel Parker
> Systems Engineer
> Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
> Tel:   01200 452329
> Fax:   01200 452201
> Web:   www.ultraframe.com
> Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk
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Backup software

[Nigel Parker]

Hi 
Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations 

Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a
couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005
We were looking at Symantec backup exec 
These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape drive

We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an
off site tape backup so this must remain)

The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this
should be ok for 2-3 years 

HOWEVER
We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1
These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape
drive 
The IBM servers cant be upgraded!

Looking for a "supported" solution 

We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none
supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version "may"
work but would be unsupported! (no good for us)
Also they are charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape 

Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences 

If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup
windows and Aix)  this would be an advantage and of course keep down the
costs 
 
Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at
ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version)

Nigel Parker
Systems Engineer
Ultraframe (UK) Ltd
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Fax:   01200 452201
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Re: Backup Software Recommendation

[justino garcia]

What do people here feel about Acronis? Is the new version any good for
production use?

Thanks

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

> Windows Home Server.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Burian, Matthew J. (mjb) [mailto:m...@burianit.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:00 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Backup Software Recommendation
>
> I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
> device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
> Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the customer
> purchased computers before I began working with them that are running
> Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup tool since it
> won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend the money on the
> Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past, however I haven't used
> the latest release and it looks to be getting mixed reviews.  Any
> suggestions on an affordable piece of software that would work in this
> situation?  It would be ideal if it offered options for file copy backup
> and a system image.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
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> LLC.
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RE: Backup Software Recommendation

[Glen Johnson]

Windows Home Server.

-Original Message-
From: Burian, Matthew J. (mjb) [mailto:m...@burianit.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software Recommendation

I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS device for 
backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the Windows 7 backup 
utility for situations like this, however the customer purchased computers 
before I began working with them that are running Windows 7 Home Premium, and 
thus cannot use the Win 7 backup tool since it won't allow network locations.  
They don't want to spend the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used 
Acronis in the past, however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to 
be getting mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software 
that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered options for 
file copy backup and a system image.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant Burian Information Technology, LLC.
E  m...@burianit.com  |  P  937 681 3600

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RE: Backup Software Recommendation

[Joseph Heaton]

I tried out the browser for a while.  Still uses IE settings in the 
background...

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:54 AM
To: Joseph Heaton; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software Recommendation

Perhaps it's all the bad press I have heard about Comodo, but I have a hard 
time trusting them. Many of their products are free or dirt cheap, and have 
some amazing features... so I don't want to have a negative bias... 

Has anybody had good luck with Comodo products? Please help me confirm or 
correct my bias!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 08 Dec 2011
08:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Backup Software Recommendation


> http://backup.comodo.com/
> 
> Note: Online backups are an OPTION.  You can backup to other devices 
> as well.
> 
> 
> * *
> 
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of 
> Technology for the SMB market…
> 
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)
> wrote:
> 
> > I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS 
> > device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the 
> > Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the 
> > customer purchased computers before I began working with them that 
> > are running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 
> > backup tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want 
> > to spend the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in 
> > the past, however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to 
> > be getting mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of 
> > software that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it 
> > offered options for file copy backup and a system image.
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions.
> >
> > Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
> >
> 
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Re: Backup Software Recommendation

[Matthew W. Ross]

Perhaps it's all the bad press I have heard about Comodo, but I have a hard 
time trusting them. Many of their products are free or dirt cheap, and have 
some amazing features... so I don't want to have a negative bias... 

Has anybody had good luck with Comodo products? Please help me confirm or 
correct my bias!


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 08 Dec 2011
08:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Backup Software Recommendation


> http://backup.comodo.com/
> 
> Note: Online backups are an OPTION.  You can backup to other devices as
> well.
> 
> 
> * *
> 
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
> 
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)
> wrote:
> 
> > I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
> > device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
> > Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the
> > customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
> > running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
> > tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend
> > the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past,
> > however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to be getting
> > mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software
> > that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered
> > options for file copy backup and a system image.
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestions.
> >
> > Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
> >
> 
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RE: Backup Software Recommendation

[Sam Cayze]

Check out Acronis.

-Original Message-
From: Burian, Matthew J. (mjb) [mailto:m...@burianit.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software Recommendation

I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS device
for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the Windows 7
backup utility for situations like this, however the customer purchased
computers before I began working with them that are running Windows 7 Home
Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup tool since it won't allow
network locations.  They don't want to spend the money on the Win 7 Pro
upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past, however I haven't used the latest
release and it looks to be getting mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an
affordable piece of software that would work in this situation?  It would be
ideal if it offered options for file copy backup and a system image.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant Burian Information Technology,
LLC.
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Re: Backup Software Recommendation

[Andrew S. Baker]

Other options include:
http://www.paragon-software.com/business/db-server/
http://www.disk-image.net/
http://www.shadowprotect.com/
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm


* *

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> http://backup.comodo.com/
>
> Note: Online backups are an OPTION.  You can backup to other devices as
> well.
>
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Burian, Matthew J. (mjb) <
> m...@burianit.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
>> device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
>> Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the
>> customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
>> running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
>> tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend
>> the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past,
>> however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to be getting
>> mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software
>> that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered
>> options for file copy backup and a system image.
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>>
>> Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
>>
>

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Re: Backup Software Recommendation

[Andrew S. Baker]

http://backup.comodo.com/

Note: Online backups are an OPTION.  You can backup to other devices as
well.


* *

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)
wrote:

> I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
> device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
> Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the
> customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
> running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
> tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend
> the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past,
> however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to be getting
> mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software
> that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered
> options for file copy backup and a system image.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
> Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
>

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Re: Backup Software Recommendation

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)
 wrote:
> ... customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
> running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
> tool since it won't allow network locations.


  Backup to locally attached disk, then ROBOCOPY the files to the
network location?


-- Ben

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R: Backup Software Recommendation

[HELP_PC]

Backup Assist

Guido Elia

HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

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Da: Burian, Matthew J. (mjb) [mailto:m...@burianit.com] 
Inviato: giovedì 8 dicembre 2011 17.00
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Backup Software Recommendation

I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the
customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend
the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past,
however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to be getting
mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software
that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered
options for file copy backup and a system image.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
Burian Information Technology, LLC.
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Backup Software Recommendation

[Burian, Matthew J. (mjb)]

I have a very small business customer (~4 users) who purchased a NAS
device for backups of their Windows 7 machines.  I typically use the
Windows 7 backup utility for situations like this, however the
customer purchased computers before I began working with them that are
running Windows 7 Home Premium, and thus cannot use the Win 7 backup
tool since it won't allow network locations.  They don't want to spend
the money on the Win 7 Pro upgrade.  I have used Acronis in the past,
however I haven't used the latest release and it looks to be getting
mixed reviews.  Any suggestions on an affordable piece of software
that would work in this situation?  It would be ideal if it offered
options for file copy backup and a system image.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Matt Burian  |  President & Sr. Consultant
Burian Information Technology, LLC.
E  m...@burianit.com  |  P  937 681 3600

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RE: Backup Software

[Ben Serebin]

Hello Bob,

I have extension experience with it since I've been running it 
a few years and am an AppAssure partner. Support has improved in the past year. 
6+ months ago, support was pretty bad. I know most of the guys at AppAssure, 
and it's an impressive solution if you're running SQL & Exchange. BUT, your 
backup server needs to be really fast and have a lot of ram. Replay is pretty 
stable once it's working. There have been some version problems (4.5 was bad, 
but later 4.6 is good), but once you find a good version, you stick with it. I 
love the ability to restore directly to vmdk or vhd's (right-click and say 
restore to VM is pretty cool). I have clients replicate to company's equipment 
& it makes testing DR very easy. It's heavy on the WAN links, but 5.0 which is 
in internal beta, is dedup across all systems in storage vs dedup per server. 
Replay is a lot cheaper than DoubleTake and is far better for long term 
retention, BUT DoubleTake is better for failover functionality. Replay is good 
when you have mixed P/V servers. Some features don't work well such as "live 
restore" (restoring while the system is in use). But, for access to any backup 
point in time is very fast. We use a # of backup solutions, but like Replay due 
to easy of configuration and capabilities for DR.

-Ben

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Anyone have experience with AppAssure?

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e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:09:33 -0600
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

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Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
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Re: Backup Software

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Doug Hampshire  wrote:
> Commvault. ... use them to clean the toilet each week  ...

  Don't hold back, Doug.  Tell us what you *really* feel.

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Re: Backup Software

[Doug Hampshire]

ps. In all fairness they did give me a nice T-shirt. I still use it to this
day. I cut it intoseveral pieces and I use them to clean the toilet each
week at home. Thanks Commvault.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Doug Hampshire wrote:

> Commvault. Nice product, unless you actually want support that matters.
> They not only told me the wrong information during a critical restore which
> destroyed a weeks worth of data, they were unapologetic about it and
> refused to take responsibility for the actions of their support tech. Am I
> bitter about it 5 years later? Darn straight I am. I promised them I would
> continue to describe their horrific support and total lack of customer care
> for as long as they remained in business and I remained part of the IT
> community. And unlike them I keep my promise.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Paul Hutchings  > wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple
>> because we used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back)
>> and switched to it and I've never looked back.
>>
>>  They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where
>> you license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can
>> use any mix of their agents to do it.
>>
>>  The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down
>> on the amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some
>> rather funky synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial
>> "proper" full backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run
>> incremental backups.
>>
>>  The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that
>> budget, but end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do
>> something - I would certainly be asking the question of a reseller.
>>
>>  The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the
>> problems you're having isn't cheap.
>>
>>  Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe
>> but seems to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today
>> looking at backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something
>> about Unitrends - they have some interesting looking pricing models.
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
>> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>>
>>  See below...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bob Hartung
>> Dir of I.T.
>> Wisco Industries, Inc.
>> 736 Janesville St.
>> Oregon, WI 53575
>> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
>> Fax: (608) 835-7399
>> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
>> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
>> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>>
>> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
>>
>> Server backups.
>>
>>
>>  Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the
>> remote sites?
>>
>> I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
>> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
>> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location.
>> The plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of
>> the backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the
>> incremental backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
>>
>>
>>  You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup
>> to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
>>
>> Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional
>> storage space.
>>
>>
>>  Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so,
>> what is the data split?
>>
>> No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.
>>
>>
>>  What do you do now for backup?
>>
>> Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
>>
>>
>>  Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
>> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.
>>  Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor,
>> tape libraries (kind o

Re: Backup Software

[Doug Hampshire]

Commvault. Nice product, unless you actually want support that matters.
They not only told me the wrong information during a critical restore which
destroyed a weeks worth of data, they were unapologetic about it and
refused to take responsibility for the actions of their support tech. Am I
bitter about it 5 years later? Darn straight I am. I promised them I would
continue to describe their horrific support and total lack of customer care
for as long as they remained in business and I remained part of the IT
community. And unlike them I keep my promise.

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple
> because we used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back)
> and switched to it and I've never looked back.
>
>  They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you
> license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use
> any mix of their agents to do it.
>
>  The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down
> on the amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some
> rather funky synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial
> "proper" full backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run
> incremental backups.
>
>  The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that
> budget, but end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do
> something - I would certainly be asking the question of a reseller.
>
>  The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the
> problems you're having isn't cheap.
>
>  Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but
> seems to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today
> looking at backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something
> about Unitrends - they have some interesting looking pricing models.
>
>  --
> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
>  See below...
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
>
> Server backups.
>
>
>  Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote
> sites?
>
> I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location.
> The plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of
> the backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the
> incremental backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
>
>
>  You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup
> to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
>
> Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional
> storage space.
>
>
>  Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so,
> what is the data split?
>
> No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.
>
>
>  What do you do now for backup?
>
> Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
>
>
>  Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.
>  Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor,
> tape libraries (kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and
> if you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your
> backups will still run.
>
> I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being
> able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup
> window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at
> the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to do it at all.
>
>
>   --
> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 6

RE: Backup Software

[Stu Sjouwerman]

I know the CEO, and know they are growing fast. It's a good team.
You could also look at Double-Take now owned by Vision.  That
Will get you D2D with offsite and has been in this market 10yrs+

Warm regards,
Stu

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Anyone have experience with AppAssure?

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:09:33 -0600
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

Anyone have experience with AppAssure?

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:09:33 -0600
Subject: Backup Software

  I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a 
disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We 
currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm 
tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com  

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Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

At 400GB, you have lots of options...

Look at Acronis as well.

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> Thanks. These are on my list to check out.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:50:52 -0600
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
> Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because
> we used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and
> switched to it and I've never looked back.
>
>  They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you
> license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use
> any mix of their agents to do it.
>
>  The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down
> on the amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some
> rather funky synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial
> "proper" full backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run
> incremental backups.
>
>  The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that
> budget, but end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do
> something - I would certainly be asking the question of a reseller.
>
>  The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the
> problems you're having isn't cheap.
>
>  Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but
> seems to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today
> looking at backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something
> about Unitrends - they have some interesting looking pricing models.
>
>  --
> *From:* Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
> *Sent:* 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
>  See below...
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
> *Subject:* RE: Backup Software
>
> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
>
> Server backups.
>
>
>  Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote
> sites?
>
> I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location.
> The plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of
> the backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the
> incremental backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
>
>
>  You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup
> to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
>
> Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional
> storage space.
>
>
>  Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so,
> what is the data split?
>
> No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.
>
>
>  What do you do now for backup?
>
> Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
>
>
>  Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.
>  Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor,
> tape libraries (kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and
> if you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your
> backups will still run.
>
> I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being
> able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup
> window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at
> the remote site to put the right ta

RE: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

Thanks. These are on my list to check out.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:50:52 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software


Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because we 
used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and switched to 
it and I've never looked   back.  


They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you 
license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use any 
mix of their agents to do it.  


The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down on the 
amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some rather funky 
synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial "proper" full 
backup, and from that   point onwards you only ever run incremental backups.  


The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that budget, but 
end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do something - I would 
certainly be asking the question of a reseller.  


The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the problems 
you're having isn't cheap.  


Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but seems 
to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today looking at 
backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something about Unitrends - 
they have some interesting   looking pricing models.  

  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Backup Software
  

  
See below...
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
  Subject: RE: Backup Software
  
  
With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.




Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites? 
 I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed   since the last backup. Most of the 
backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental 
backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
  

  
  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?  Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.

  
  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?  No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on 
daily.

  
  


What do you do now for backup?  Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.

  
  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.  I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are 
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at the 
remote site to put the right tape   in, if they remember to do it at all.
  
  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 

Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

I plan to check both of them out.

My current disk-to-disk-tape backup at Main location uses 400 GB of space.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:48:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Take a look at Ultrabac, in addition to the earlier Microsoft DPM 
recommendation.


BTW, I think Paul was hoping you'd give a total storage count at some point, as 
you did not indicate the total size of storage under management for the primary 
location.


  





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 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…



  


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  See below...


--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]

To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software



With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.





Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote 
sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.




  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.



  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.



  


What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.



  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are   
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the   backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on   people at 
the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to   do it at all.




  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 |  |
  Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
  (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

  We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.
  
  Budget: $7500
  
  My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so 
the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple 
times a day using VSS.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  
  What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on 

Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

Thanks, I'll take a look.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:24:57 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

Most D2D solutions are going to do something different than "incrementals" in 
the traditional sense.


They'll likely do a main full backup, and overlay a series of deltas in what 
some vendors refer to as a "virtual full backup"


Either way, Microsoft DPM is worth a look...


  





 ASB
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…



  


On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  We have 3 locations with 10 servers


Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
 |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.


--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software


What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?



(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


  





 ASB
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…



  



On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:




  I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com  







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RE: Backup Software

[Matthew W. Ross]

You have a budget, so take these less expensive solutions with a grain of salt:

DFS-R: I would begin making sure your data is replicated to a single location 
so that it can easily be backed up, and you seem to have everything you need to 
do it with DFS-R. As long as your Windows 2003 servers are R2, you're set. Just 
replicate the important data back to home base, and perform the backups against 
that. DFS-R is very bandwidth efficient and can be scheduled to run with 
little-to-no bandwidth during on-peak hours and full bandwidth at off-peak 
hours.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb540031%28v=VS.85%29.aspx

---

BackupPC: I can't recommend enough the open source BackupPC software. BackupPC 
pulls data from your servers over SMB, NFS, or RSYNC (or SSH for Unix OSs). 
Yes, it requires Linux, but it is extremely capable and easy to use. 
Incremental and full backup options, per-file deduplication, and archive 
options for tape, cd, or DVD offsite archival.

http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/

---

I hope you find the solution you're working for.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Bob Hartung
[mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011
11:28:48 -0800
Subject: RE: Backup Software


> See below...
> 
> --
> 
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>   _  
> 
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
> Subject: RE: Backup Software
> 
> 
> With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server
> backups.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote
> sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically
> replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town
> locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The
> plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the
> backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental
> backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or
> are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just
> mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage
> space.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is
> the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on
> daily.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and
> technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window. 
> Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape
> libraries (kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if
> you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your
> backups will still run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My
> main concerns are   being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or
> eliminate the   backup window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and
> depending on   people at the remote site to put the right tape in, if they
> remember to   do it at all.
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> _  
> 
>   
> From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
>   Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: Re: Backup Software
>   
> 
>   
> We have 3 locations with 10 servers
>   
> 
>   Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
>  |  |
>  |  |
>   Wireless BridgeVPN
>   (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
>  |  |
>  |  |
>   Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
>   (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
>  350 GB of Data   

RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

Thanks Bob.  I would suggest look at Commvault.  I say that simple because we 
used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and switched to 
it and I've never looked back.

They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you 
license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use any 
mix of their agents to do it.

The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down on the 
amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ.  They also do some rather funky 
synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial "proper" full 
backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run incremental backups.

The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that budget, but 
end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do something - I would 
certainly be asking the question of a reseller.

The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the problems 
you're having isn't cheap.

Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but seems 
to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today looking at 
backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something about Unitrends - 
they have some interesting looking pricing models.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup Software

See below...

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software

With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.
Server backups.

Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites?
I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?
Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.

Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?
No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.

What do you do now for backup?
Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.

Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.
I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being able 
to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup window and 
reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at the remote site 
to put the right tape in, if they remember to do it at all.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com<mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com>]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

We have 3 locations with 10 servers

Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
   |  |
Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
   |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon

RE: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

See below...

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600
Subject: RE: Backup Software


With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.  Server 
backups.




Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote 
sites?I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically 
replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town 
locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The 
plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup 
solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups 
into fewer files to reduce the total number of files.



  


You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?Just 
mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage 
space.


  


Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily.


  


What do you do now for backup?Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape.


  


Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot   to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are   
being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the   backup 
window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on   people at 
the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to   do it at all.

  


  
_  

  
From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
  Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  

  
We have 3 locations with 10 servers
  

  Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
 |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
  (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
 |  |
 |  |
  Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
  (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

  We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.
  
  Budget: $7500
  
  My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so 
the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple 
times a day using VSS.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

  From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
  Subject: Re: Backup Software
  
  What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?  


(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )
  
  
  


  
  

 ASB
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
  

  
  
  
  
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:
  
I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot   to put the next tape in.
  
  I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.
  
  Thanks.
  
  --
  
  Bob Hartung
  Dir of I.T.
  Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
  Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
  Fax: (608) 835-7399
  e-

RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup.

Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites?

You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or 
are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location?

Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers?  If so, what is 
the data split?

What do you do now for backup?

Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and 
technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window.  Personally 
I'm still a fan of tape for the "stick it in a safe" factor, tape libraries 
(kind of) solve the "forgot to change the tape" thing, and if you're doing 
d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still 
run.


From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Software

We have 3 locations with 10 servers

Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
   |  |
Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
   |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?

(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung 
mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com>> wrote:
I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com<http://wiscoind.com>


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Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

Most D2D solutions are going to do something different than "incrementals"
in the traditional sense.

They'll likely do a main full backup, and overlay a series of deltas in
what some vendors refer to as a "virtual full backup"

Either way, Microsoft DPM is worth a look...

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> We have 3 locations with 10 servers
>
> Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
>|  |
>|  |
> Wireless BridgeVPN
> (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
>|  |
>|  |
> Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
> (1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
>350 GB of Data250 GB of Data
>
> We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available
> storage.
>
> Budget: $7500
>
> My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so
> the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur
> multiple times a day using VSS.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
> *Subject:* Re: Backup Software
>
>
> What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on
> a daily/weekly basis?
>
> (One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is
> http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
>  )
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung wrote:
>
>> **
>> I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a
>> disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We
>> currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm
>> tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings
>> on what's not so good.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Bob Hartung
>> Dir of I.T.
>> Wisco Industries, Inc.
>> 736 Janesville St.
>> Oregon, WI 53575
>> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
>> Fax: (608) 835-7399
>> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>>
>>
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Re: Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

We have 3 locations with 10 servers


Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers
   |  |
 |  |
  Wireless BridgeVPN
(36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K)
   |  |
 |  |
Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location:
(1) Windows 2003 server   (1) Windows 2003 server
   350 GB of Data250 GB of Data

We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available 
storage.

Budget: $7500

My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the 
backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times 
a day using VSS.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Backup Software

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a 
daily/weekly basis?


(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is 
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )


  





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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

  I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
  736 Janesville St.
  Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com  




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RE: Backup Software

[Paul Hutchings]

Budget?
Date volume?
Data type?
Internet connection (upstream and downstream)?

Lots of options, but some/all of the above will have a lot of input on what is 
practical.

From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: 17 November 2011 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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RE: Backup Software

[Maglinger, Paul]

Or if they forget to leave a slot open...

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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Re: Backup Software

[Andrew S. Baker]

What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on
a daily/weekly basis?

(One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx
 )

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On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> **
> I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a
> disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We
> currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm
> tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in.
>
> I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings
> on what's not so good.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Dir of I.T.
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
>
>

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RE: Backup Software

[John C Owen]

We use Symantec Backup Exec 2010 which gives us lots of backup features

But if they forget to put in the next tape, they will forget to swap out the 
drive as well

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Software

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

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Backup Software

[Bob Hartung]

I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk 
solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing 
disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling 
me they forgot to put the next tape in.

I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on 
what's not so good.

Thanks.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
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RE: Druva laptop backup software

[Gene Giannamore]

Thanks!

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Druva laptop backup software

Druva's pretty good IMO.  The dedupe works well and it is pretty much "set and 
forget".

For 14 laptops there may be a question of whether you want to keep it in-house 
or if cloud is an option, but if you do want to keep it in house the two you've 
mentioned (Crashplan being the other) seem to be the best options.


From: Gene Giannamore [gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: 15 July 2011 7:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Druva laptop backup software
We are looking for laptop backup software similar to the current Druva insync. 
I have added it to my short list for testing (Druva insync). Just wondering 
peoples take on Druva, crashplan, and other similar products.
FYI; We have 14 remote laptops to backup, with an average of 20GB of data for 
each. 75% of the time, these laptops have no internet access, even with vzw or 
at&t mobile internet devices. The rest of the time, internet access is slow.

Thanks

--
Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>
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RE: Druva laptop backup software

[Paul Hutchings]

Druva's pretty good IMO.  The dedupe works well and it is pretty much "set and 
forget".

For 14 laptops there may be a question of whether you want to keep it in-house 
or if cloud is an option, but if you do want to keep it in house the two you've 
mentioned (Crashplan being the other) seem to be the best options.


From: Gene Giannamore [gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com]
Sent: 15 July 2011 7:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Druva laptop backup software

We are looking for laptop backup software similar to the current Druva insync. 
I have added it to my short list for testing (Druva insync). Just wondering 
peoples take on Druva, crashplan, and other similar products.
FYI; We have 14 remote laptops to backup, with an average of 20GB of data for 
each. 75% of the time, these laptops have no internet access, even with vzw or 
at&t mobile internet devices. The rest of the time, internet access is slow.

Thanks

--
Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>
www.abideinternational.com


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Druva laptop backup software

[Gene Giannamore]

We are looking for laptop backup software similar to the current Druva insync. 
I have added it to my short list for testing (Druva insync). Just wondering 
peoples take on Druva, crashplan, and other similar products.
FYI; We have 14 remote laptops to backup, with an average of 20GB of data for 
each. 75% of the time, these laptops have no internet access, even with vzw or 
at&t mobile internet devices. The rest of the time, internet access is slow.

Thanks

--
Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
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Re: Laptop Backup Software?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 10 Apr 2011 at 9:51, Paul Hutchings wrote:

> We have the infrastructure to do it in-house and most of these folks 
> spend considerable 
> time at their desks so there´s little point pumping data out of the 
> organisation to the 
> cloud. Putting any rational security arguments aside we just don´t really 
> want our data 
> "out there", plus I´ve yet to see a cloud solution that is cheaper, so 
> overall when you take 
> into account user count and capacity, for us I don´t see a benefit.

I'm looking at CrashPlan PRO http://www.crashplan.com/business/ for my laptop 
users.


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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Paul Hutchings]

We have the infrastructure to do it in-house and most of these folks
spend considerable time at their desks so there's little point pumping
data out of the organisation to the cloud.  Putting any rational
security arguments aside we just don't really want our data "out there",
plus I've yet to see a cloud solution that is cheaper, so overall when
you take into account user count and capacity, for us I don't see a
benefit.

 

From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com] 
Sent: 09 April 2011 19:26
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

 

Why did you take Cloud off the table?

Cheers

Ryan

 

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

 

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the
license is up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much
as once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to
the network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something
that is centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the
user) automatically if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?



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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Brian Desmond]

Sounds like a good way to saturate your Internet connection too if you have a 
mobile workforce.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Thomas W Shinder MD [mailto:tshin...@tacteam.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 8:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

If cloud is out - then DirectAccess is an ideal solution.

From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

Why did you take Cloud off the table?
Cheers
Ryan


From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license is 
up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much as 
once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to the 
network/vpn once in a blue moon.

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that is 
centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user) automatically 
if a user doesn't backup for X days.

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?

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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Thomas W Shinder MD]

If cloud is out - then DirectAccess is an ideal solution.

From: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

Why did you take Cloud off the table?
Cheers
Ryan


From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license is 
up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much as 
once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to the 
network/vpn once in a blue moon.

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that is 
centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user) automatically 
if a user doesn't backup for X days.

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?

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[Ryan Finnesey]

Why did you take Cloud off the table?

Cheers

Ryan

 

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

 

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the
license is up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much
as once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to
the network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something
that is centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the
user) automatically if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?



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Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England

Registered in England and Wales No. 402570

VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84

 

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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Steven M. Caesare]

I have a buddy/colleague who's using CrashPlan... if you have questions
I can pass them on...

 

-sc

 

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

 

It is supposed to be a good product, similar to Druva from what I saw,
and more costly which is an issue as we grow.

 

Paul

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 April 2011 16:10
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

 

Check out CrashPlan Pro.  Just came across it but haven't utilized it
yet - I probably will test it out soon.

You can do cloud based or host it yourself.  

I currently use Mozy Business for remote users, and a home brew backup
solution for local users, but I might switch everyone to CrashPlan.

http://www.crashplan.com/business/how.html

 

Sam

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

 

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the
license is up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much
as once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to
the network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something
that is centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the
user) automatically if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?



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Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England

Registered in England and Wales No. 402570

VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84

 

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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Paul Hutchings]

It is supposed to be a good product, similar to Druva from what I saw,
and more costly which is an issue as we grow.

 

Paul



From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 April 2011 16:10
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Laptop Backup Software?

 

Check out CrashPlan Pro.  Just came across it but haven't utilized it
yet - I probably will test it out soon.

You can do cloud based or host it yourself.  

I currently use Mozy Business for remote users, and a home brew backup
solution for local users, but I might switch everyone to CrashPlan.

http://www.crashplan.com/business/how.html

 

Sam

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

 

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the
license is up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much
as once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to
the network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something
that is centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the
user) automatically if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?



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Registered in England and Wales No. 402570

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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Paul Hutchings]

Possibly as a standalone product, but I don't think that has any central 
management.

 

Paul

 

From: HELP_PC [mailto:g...@enter.it] 
Sent: 06 April 2011 17:08
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: Laptop Backup Software?

 

Shadow Protect is not the same (or even better)?

 

GuidoElia

HELPPC

 

 



Da: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es] 
Inviato: mercoledì 6 aprile 2011 15.28
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Re: Laptop Backup Software?

We have tested backup exec system recovery 2010 and it works like a champ. It's 
only meant to be for Windows machines. 

Full backups are quite well compressed and take not much time. you can 
configure it once and forget (you can rotate old backups). It can back up on an 
external USB disk or on a CIFS share.

The impressive feature was that full backups can be used as a disaster recovery 
backup with a CD Symantec provides (an extra that you have to pay with a 
different licencing but it's worth it). The most impressive thing of the DR 
option is that you can even restore it on a different hardware (I tried from a 
Dell to a HP) and apart of installing new drivers, it works smoothly.

Regards,

Miguel

--- El mié, 6/4/11, Paul Hutchings  escribió:


De: Paul Hutchings 
Asunto: Laptop Backup Software?
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: miércoles, 6 de abril, 2011 09:20

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license is 
up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much as 
once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to the 
network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that is 
centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user) automatically 
if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?



MIRA Ltd

 

Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England

Registered in England and Wales No. 402570

VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84

 

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R: Laptop Backup Software?

[HELP_PC]

Shadow Protect is not the same (or even better)?
 
GuidoElia
HELPPC
 

  _  

Da: Miguel Gonzalez [mailto:miguel_3_gonza...@yahoo.es] 
Inviato: mercoledì 6 aprile 2011 15.28
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Re: Laptop Backup Software?


We have tested backup exec system recovery 2010 and it works like a champ. It's 
only meant to be for Windows machines. 

Full backups are quite well compressed and take not much time. you can 
configure it once and forget (you can rotate old backups). It can back up on an 
external USB disk or on a CIFS share.

The impressive feature was that full backups can be used as a disaster recovery 
backup with a CD Symantec provides (an extra that you have to pay with a 
different licencing but it's worth it). The most impressive thing of the DR 
option is that you can even restore it on a different hardware (I tried from a 
Dell to a HP) and apart of installing new drivers, it works smoothly.

Regards,

Miguel

--- El mié, 6/4/11, Paul Hutchings  escribió:




De: Paul Hutchings 
Asunto: Laptop Backup Software?
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: miércoles, 6 de abril, 2011 09:20



We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license is 
up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much as 
once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to the 
network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that is 
centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user) automatically 
if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?




  _  

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Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
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RE: Laptop Backup Software?

[Sam Cayze]

Check out CrashPlan Pro.  Just came across it but haven't utilized it yet -
I probably will test it out soon.

You can do cloud based or host it yourself.  

I currently use Mozy Business for remote users, and a home brew backup
solution for local users, but I might switch everyone to CrashPlan.

http://www.crashplan.com/business/how.html

 

Sam

 

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Laptop Backup Software?

 

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license
is up for renewal I'm looking at what the options are.

 

I'm looking for something that is transparent to the end user in so much as
once installed they don't need to ever do anything beyond connect to the
network/vpn once in a blue moon.

 

Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that
is centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user)
automatically if a user doesn't backup for X days.

 

I wondered what those of you that do this are using and how you find it?

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Re: Laptop Backup Software?

[Miguel Gonzalez]

We have tested backup exec system recovery 2010 and it works like a champ. It's 
only meant to be for Windows machines. 

Full backups are quite well compressed and take not much time. you can 
configure it once and forget (you can rotate old backups). It can back up on an 
external USB disk or on a CIFS share.

The impressive feature was that full backups can be used as a disaster recovery 
backup with a CD Symantec provides (an extra that you have to pay with a 
different licencing but it's worth it). The most impressive thing of the DR 
option is that you can even restore it on a different hardware (I tried from a 
Dell to a HP) and apart of installing new drivers, it works smoothly.

Regards,

Miguel

--- El mié, 6/4/11, Paul Hutchings  escribió:

De: Paul Hutchings 
Asunto: Laptop Backup Software?
Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Fecha: miércoles, 6 de abril, 2011 09:20

We currently use Druva Insync to back up our laptop fleet.  As the license is 
up for renewal I’m looking at what the options are.  I’m looking for something 
that is transparent to the end user in so much as once installed they don’t 
need to ever do anything beyond connect to the network/vpn once in a blue moon. 
 Cloud is out, we want it hosted on our servers, and we want something that is 
centrally managed and will email/alert us (and possibly the user) automatically 
if a user doesn’t backup for X days.  I wondered what those of you that do this 
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RE: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[N Parr]

After looking at the storagecraft product it looks like it would also solve the 
problem we had during the discussion last week of going back and forth between 
physical and virtual hardware. 

-Original Message-
From: Jay Dale [mailto:jd...@emlogis.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

Shadowprotect from Storagecraft works well for me!

Jay Dale
 Senior Systems Administrator
o:713.785.0960 x290


-Original Message-
From: Juma, Lumumba [mailto:lcj...@icipe.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software


Hi All,

We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops 
automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO. Anybody 
aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?

Thanks,

Lumumba.
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RE: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Jay Dale]

Shadowprotect from Storagecraft works well for me!

Jay Dale
 Senior Systems Administrator
o:713.785.0960 x290


-Original Message-
From: Juma, Lumumba [mailto:lcj...@icipe.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 6:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software


Hi All,

We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops 
automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO. Anybody 
aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?

Thanks,

Lumumba.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~




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Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Matthew W. Ross]

BackupPC is a Linux based backup solution which I like for backing up 
laptops/desktops on at a file-based level. Version 3.2 was released a few days 
ago. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/

Pros:
 * Free! (in both senses)
 * File-based full and incremental backups with versioning.
 * File-based de-duplication by linux hard-links.
 * Web based access to setup backups and restore.
 * Users can initiate their own backups, or restore their own files using the 
web interface.

Cons:
 * SMB transfer is not VSS aware, so it doesn't copy open files.
 * Requires Linux experience (Although, you can just install a package on most 
distros, such as Ubuntu.)
 * Read the docs! Use a filesystem that supports large numbers of files. 
Ext(2|3|4) not recommended, but I've used XFS with success.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Juma, Lumumba
[mailto:lcj...@icipe.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 03 Aug 2010
04:32:15 -0700
Subject: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software


> 
> Hi All,
> 
> We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops
> automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO.
> Anybody aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lumumba.
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
> 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Richard Stovall]

Acronis workstation does image backups and can be centrally managed, but
costs $74 US per license (per the website).  I use it on my $WORK computer
and it has been excellent.

I have played around with Storegrid (
http://www.storegrid.com/online-backup/network-backup.php) and Robobak (
http://www.robobak.com/Solutions/smb.aspx), but haven't ever used either of
them past the demonstration/POC phase.

GFI has an interesting, and aggressively priced, product, but I have never
tried it.  http://www.gfi.com/business-backup-software/backup-be-pricing.htm
  Other GFI software I have used has been rock solid.

If you don't have to manage the workstations centrally, there are tons of
additional possibilities from reputable firms, and any number of FOSS
options can be managed or unmanaged.

Hope this helps,

RS

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Juma, Lumumba  wrote:

>  Centrally managed backups will be a better option, cant be too sure with
> users doing it themselves. I'd appreciate your proposals for image-based
> backup solns as well. Costs will determine what to go for.
>
>  --
> *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:56 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software
>
> Are you looking to centrally manage the backups, or would each one backing
> up independently to a common storage area be good enough?  Are you looking
> primarily for file based backup for important data, or do you need the
> up-and-running-quickly convenience of image based backup?
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Juma, Lumumba  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops
>> automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO.
>> Anybody aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lumumba.
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Roger Wright]

Not centrally managed, but we use Syncback (freeware) on our laptops
to automagically backup the local Docs & Settings folders to the
server when they log in to the network.

Desktop users know their locally stored files are at risk and are
instructed to always save on the server shares.


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Juma, Lumumba  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops 
> automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO. 
> Anybody aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lumumba.

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Juma, Lumumba]

Centrally managed backups will be a better option, cant be too sure with users 
doing it themselves. I'd appreciate your proposals for image-based backup solns 
as well. Costs will determine what to go for.


From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

Are you looking to centrally manage the backups, or would each one backing up 
independently to a common storage area be good enough?  Are you looking 
primarily for file based backup for important data, or do you need the 
up-and-running-quickly convenience of image based backup?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Juma, Lumumba 
mailto:lcj...@icipe.org>> wrote:

Hi All,

We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops 
automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO. Anybody 
aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?

Thanks,

Lumumba.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Richard Stovall]

Are you looking to centrally manage the backups, or would each one backing
up independently to a common storage area be good enough?  Are you looking
primarily for file based backup for important data, or do you need the
up-and-running-quickly convenience of image based backup?

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Juma, Lumumba  wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops
> automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO.
> Anybody aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lumumba.
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Desktop/Laptop Backup Software

[Juma, Lumumba]

Hi All,

We are looking at options to enable us backup desktops and laptops 
automatically to a central storage system. I am aware of Symantec DLO. Anybody 
aware of alternatives cheaper in cost?

Thanks,

Lumumba.
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: backup software solution for offsite

[justino garcia]

Right it access VIA ipsec to the NAS.
using BSD firewalls on both ends.
Pfsense IPSEC.

VPN/IPSEC both ends

The current backup software / application is acronis( not doing a great job,
offsite).


On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Charlie Kaiser
wrote:

> OK. So how do you access it now? VPN? Direct RDP? Local only? Sounds like
> you need two separate configs; one is the VPN/IPSEC connectivity, and the
> other is the backup application.
>
> Create the tunnel to the NAS device using your connectivity method of
> choice.
>
> Then run the backup locally and do either a copy job (like backup exec
> provides) or manually script a copy up to the NAS. The big hurdle you're
> going to run into is trying to copy large files across that link quickly
> and
> reliably.
>
> Image files present a big challenge since even small changes result in new
> image files that must be uploaded separately.
>
> There are 3rd party tools that can accommodate this, but I don't have a
> specific recommendation. I haven't found one that I like.
>
> Another thing to watch for will be data transfer windows. Depending on the
> size of the upload and the link speed, you could easily run into an
> overlap...
>
> I've had clients want something like this and we have always either moved
> media physically using a manual offsite service like Iron Mountain or
> Datasafe or used Amazon or Mozy. We ran into too many hurdles with
> bandwidth
> utilization and time windows.
>
> Perhaps someone else has a better solution based on their experience...
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:34 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> >
> > I host a server, in a rack, at some one else data-center ( I
> > rent a rack).
> >
> > In the rack,i have a Network Attached storage devices, and
> > some other servers. Clients would like for it to go their,
> > and so would I.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Charlie Kaiser
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Are you saying your OWN datacenter? Or a hosted server
> > in someone else's
> >   datacenter?
> >
> >
> >   ***
> >   Charlie Kaiser
> >   charl...@golden-eagle.org
> >   Kingman, AZ
> >   ***
> >
> >   > -Original Message-
> >   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> >
> >   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM
> >   > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> >   > Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> >   >
> >   > I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host
> >   > on our own server at the data center.
> >   > and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.
> >   >
> >   > Thanks
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser
> >   >  wrote:
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
> >   >
> >   >   ***
> >   >   Charlie Kaiser
> >   >   charl...@golden-eagle.org
> >   >   Kingman, AZ
> >   >   ***
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >   > -Original Message-
> >   >   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> >   >   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
> >   >   > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >   >   > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
> >   >   >
> >   >   > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a
> > ipsec tunnel,
> >   >   > thru sftp ftp or smb .
> >   >   > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and
> > send over the
> >   >   > internet using vpn, that has retation rules
> > and alerts to
> >   >   > admin (me) if a backup fails.
> >   >   > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
> >   >   >
> >   >   > Thanks
> >   >   >
> >   >   >
> >   >   > --
> >

RE: backup software solution for offsite

[Sam Cayze]

+1.

I use standard products for backups, and then a mix of scripts and
3-party products to transfer those backups over the wire.
Rsync, SyncBack, DeltaCopy are a few names...

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Kaiser [mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: backup software solution for offsite

OK. So how do you access it now? VPN? Direct RDP? Local only? Sounds
like you need two separate configs; one is the VPN/IPSEC connectivity,
and the other is the backup application.

Create the tunnel to the NAS device using your connectivity method of
choice.

Then run the backup locally and do either a copy job (like backup exec
provides) or manually script a copy up to the NAS. The big hurdle you're
going to run into is trying to copy large files across that link quickly
and reliably. 

Image files present a big challenge since even small changes result in
new image files that must be uploaded separately.

There are 3rd party tools that can accommodate this, but I don't have a
specific recommendation. I haven't found one that I like.

Another thing to watch for will be data transfer windows. Depending on
the size of the upload and the link speed, you could easily run into an
overlap...

I've had clients want something like this and we have always either
moved media physically using a manual offsite service like Iron Mountain
or Datasafe or used Amazon or Mozy. We ran into too many hurdles with
bandwidth utilization and time windows.

Perhaps someone else has a better solution based on their experience...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> 
> I host a server, in a rack, at some one else data-center ( I rent a 
> rack).
> 
> In the rack,i have a Network Attached storage devices, and some other 
> servers. Clients would like for it to go their, and so would I.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Are you saying your OWN datacenter? Or a hosted server 
> in someone else's
>   datacenter?
>   
> 
>   ***
>   Charlie Kaiser
>   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   Kingman, AZ
>   ***
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
>   
>   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM
>   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   
>   > Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
>   >
>   > I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host
>   > on our own server at the data center.
>   > and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.
>   >
>   > Thanks
>   >
>   >
>   > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser
>   >  wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   >   Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
>   >
>   >   ***
>   >   Charlie Kaiser
>   >   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   >   Kingman, AZ
>   >   ***
>   >
>   >
>   >   > -Original Message-
>   >   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
>   >   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
>   >   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   >   > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
>   >   >
>   >   > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a 
> ipsec tunnel,
>   >   > thru sftp ftp or smb .
>   >   > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and 
> send over the
>   >   > internet using vpn, that has retation rules 
> and alerts to
>   >   > admin (me) if a backup fails.
>   >   > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
>   >   >
>   >   > Thanks
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > --
>   >   > Justin
>   >   > IT-TECH
>   >   >
>   >   > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that 
> ISN'T a resource
>   >   > hog! ~ ~
>   >   > 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   >
>   >
>   >   ~ Finally, powerful 

RE: backup software solution for offsite

[Charlie Kaiser]

OK. So how do you access it now? VPN? Direct RDP? Local only? Sounds like
you need two separate configs; one is the VPN/IPSEC connectivity, and the
other is the backup application.

Create the tunnel to the NAS device using your connectivity method of
choice.

Then run the backup locally and do either a copy job (like backup exec
provides) or manually script a copy up to the NAS. The big hurdle you're
going to run into is trying to copy large files across that link quickly and
reliably. 

Image files present a big challenge since even small changes result in new
image files that must be uploaded separately.

There are 3rd party tools that can accommodate this, but I don't have a
specific recommendation. I haven't found one that I like.

Another thing to watch for will be data transfer windows. Depending on the
size of the upload and the link speed, you could easily run into an
overlap...

I've had clients want something like this and we have always either moved
media physically using a manual offsite service like Iron Mountain or
Datasafe or used Amazon or Mozy. We ran into too many hurdles with bandwidth
utilization and time windows.

Perhaps someone else has a better solution based on their experience...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> 
> I host a server, in a rack, at some one else data-center ( I 
> rent a rack).
> 
> In the rack,i have a Network Attached storage devices, and 
> some other servers. Clients would like for it to go their, 
> and so would I.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Are you saying your OWN datacenter? Or a hosted server 
> in someone else's
>   datacenter?
>   
> 
>   ***
>   Charlie Kaiser
>   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   Kingman, AZ
>   ***
>   
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
>   
>   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM
>   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   
>   > Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
>   >
>   > I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host
>   > on our own server at the data center.
>   > and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.
>   >
>   > Thanks
>   >
>   >
>   > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser
>   >  wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   >   Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
>   >
>   >   ***
>   >   Charlie Kaiser
>   >   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   >   Kingman, AZ
>   >   ***
>   >
>   >
>   >   > -Original Message-
>   >   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
>   >   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
>   >   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   >   > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
>   >   >
>   >   > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a 
> ipsec tunnel,
>   >   > thru sftp ftp or smb .
>   >   > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and 
> send over the
>   >   > internet using vpn, that has retation rules 
> and alerts to
>   >   > admin (me) if a backup fails.
>   >   > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
>   >   >
>   >   > Thanks
>   >   >
>   >   >
>   >   > --
>   >   > Justin
>   >   > IT-TECH
>   >   >
>   >   > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that 
> ISN'T a resource
>   >   > hog! ~ ~
>   >   > 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   >
>   >
>   >   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
>   > resource hog! ~
>   >   ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > Justin
>   > IT-TECH
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   
>   
>   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
> resource hog! ~
>   ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


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RE: backup software solution for offsite

[Jay Dale]

Look at DoubleTake:

www.doubletake.com<http://www.doubletake.com>

Pricey, but pretty dependable.

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From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite

I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host on our own server 
at the data center.
and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.

Thanks
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>> wrote:
Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org<mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org>
Kingman, AZ
***

> -Original Message-
> From: justino garcia 
> [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com<mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: backup software solution for offsite
>
> I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel,
> thru sftp ftp or smb .
> Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the
> internet using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to
> admin (me) if a backup fails.
> Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
> hog! ~ ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



--
Justin
IT-TECH





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: backup software solution for offsite

[justino garcia]

I host a server, in a rack, at some one else data-center ( I rent a rack).

In the rack,i have a Network Attached storage devices, and some other
servers. Clients would like for it to go their, and so would I.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Charlie Kaiser
wrote:

> Are you saying your OWN datacenter? Or a hosted server in someone else's
> datacenter?
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> >
> > I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host
> > on our own server at the data center.
> > and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
> >
> >   ***
> >   Charlie Kaiser
> >   charl...@golden-eagle.org
> >   Kingman, AZ
> >   ***
> >
> >
> >   > -Original Message-----
> >   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> >   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
> >   > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >   > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
> >   >
> >   > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel,
> >   > thru sftp ftp or smb .
> >   > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the
> >   > internet using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to
> >   > admin (me) if a backup fails.
> >   > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
> >   >
> >   > Thanks
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > --
> >   > Justin
> >   > IT-TECH
> >   >
> >   > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
> >   > hog! ~ ~
> >   > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
> >
> >   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
> > resource hog! ~
> >   ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Justin
> > IT-TECH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>



-- 
Justin
IT-TECH

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: backup software solution for offsite

[Charlie Kaiser]

Are you saying your OWN datacenter? Or a hosted server in someone else's
datacenter?

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:19 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: backup software solution for offsite
> 
> I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host 
> on our own server at the data center.
> and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>   Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
>   
>   ***
>   Charlie Kaiser
>   charl...@golden-eagle.org
>   Kingman, AZ
>   ***
>   
> 
>   > -Original Message-
>   > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
>   > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
>   > To: NT System Admin Issues
>   > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
>   >
>   > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel,
>   > thru sftp ftp or smb .
>   > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the
>   > internet using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to
>   > admin (me) if a backup fails.
>   > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
>   >
>   > Thanks
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > Justin
>   > IT-TECH
>   >
>   > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
>   > hog! ~ ~
>   > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   
>   
>   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
> resource hog! ~
>   ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: backup software solution for offsite

[justino garcia]

I wish to not hosted on a third party cloud, rather just host on our own
server at the data center.
and Mozy good, but we want a image snapshot.

Thanks

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Charlie Kaiser
wrote:

> Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.
>
> ***
> Charlie Kaiser
> charl...@golden-eagle.org
> Kingman, AZ
> ***
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: backup software solution for offsite
> >
> > I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel,
> > thru sftp ftp or smb .
> > Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the
> > internet using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to
> > admin (me) if a backup fails.
> > Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > --
> > Justin
> > IT-TECH
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
> > hog! ~ ~
> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>



-- 
Justin
IT-TECH

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: backup software solution for offsite

[Charlie Kaiser]

Check out Mozy Pro (Mozy.com) or Amazon Web Services.

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:08 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: backup software solution for offsite
> 
> I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel, 
> thru sftp ftp or smb .
> Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the 
> internet using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to 
> admin (me) if a backup fails.
> Any comercial prosuct any ideas?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource 
> hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

backup software solution for offsite

[justino garcia]

I have a need to setup offsite backsup via a ipsec tunnel, thru sftp
ftp or smb .
Something we can take daily inc snapshots and send over the internet
using vpn, that has retation rules and alerts to admin (me) if a
backup fails.
Any comercial prosuct any ideas?

Thanks


-- 
Justin
IT-TECH

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Tobie Fysh]

Microsoft DPM is brilliant, grab the RC of 2010.

FYI SIS is dead : http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2010/02/22/454051.aspx (and 
has been depreciating more and more since Ex 2000)

From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: 08 March 2010 17:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Yes, it uses a tremendous amount of space on the backups and takes a really 
long time.  If you ever restore from it you lose Single-Instance Storage.

And if your server is set up properly (see the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method) 
then you really don't need it.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 03:39
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

















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Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

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-Original Message-
From: "Ben Schorr" 
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 07:43:40 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Yes, it uses a tremendous amount of space on the backups and takes a
really long time.  If you ever restore from it you lose Single-Instance
Storage.

 

And if your server is set up properly (see the Ed Crowley Never Restore
Method) then you really don't need it.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 03:39
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing
this with BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no
drawbacks.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed's method instead:
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore
-Method/sectionID/1009
<http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restor
e-Method/sectionID/1009>  

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under
500USD? 

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and
restored just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can
retain a backup before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
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RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Ben Schorr]

Yes, it uses a tremendous amount of space on the backups and takes a
really long time.  If you ever restore from it you lose Single-Instance
Storage.

 

And if your server is set up properly (see the Ed Crowley Never Restore
Method) then you really don't need it.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 03:39
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing
this with BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no
drawbacks.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed's method instead:
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore
-Method/sectionID/1009
<http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restor
e-Method/sectionID/1009>  

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under
500USD? 

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and
restored just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can
retain a backup before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
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RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Simon Butler]

The advice that I give to clients is quite simple.
When it comes to backup of Exchange, an Exchange aware backup should always 
take priority. This should be the first thing that is done. Any other options, 
such as brick level or GRT should be secondary and if the backup window or 
space becomes too small to do them all, then they are dropped.
With an Exchange aware backup (NTBACKUP or another backup product with Exchange 
agent) you can restore the entire database, that is all settings, data, 
permissions etc.

Brick level backups are slow, inefficient, and close to useless in a disaster 
recovery scenario.
BLBs are data only, and are only useful when Exchange is functioning. If you 
lose Exchange, then they are worthless. Bit like having all of the bricks from 
your house, but no plans.

I also have recollection that the Symantec Backup Exec GRT method is not 
supported by Microsoft. This may simply be a stronger line than their 
recommendation against doing brick level backups - which has never been part of 
the product as supplied by Microsoft, it is always third parties doing it.
The fact that Symantec have dropped brick level backup in favour of GRT should 
be an indication of the numerous problems that it causes.

Simon.



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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: 08 March 2010 14:38
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

That registry setting is not required in Outlook 2007 or above. (And in fact, 
its meaning has changed over the years, but that's a topic for an entire 
article, not a mailing list post.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: paul d [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

If you have the reg hack "dumpster always on," you can still recover those 
emails that were 'hard-deleted.'

From: john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?
Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)


John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is ther

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Michael B. Smith]

This capability for a user to purge an item in DIR goes away in Exchange 2010 
with "Dumpster 2.0".

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Users can permanently delete items by deleting them from the Recover Deleted 
Items GUI.  A user who is trying to cover up something might do that, and if 
the user is trying to cover up something, stands to reason you might be asked 
to produce evidence at some point, which will require recovery from a backup.

Carl

From: paul d [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

If you have the reg hack "dumpster always on," you can still recover those 
emails that were 'hard-deleted.'

From: john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?
Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)


John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks














NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to 
or from thi

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Carl Houseman]

Users can permanently delete items by deleting them from the Recover Deleted
Items GUI.  A user who is trying to cover up something might do that, and if
the user is trying to cover up something, stands to reason you might be
asked to produce evidence at some point, which will require recovery from a
backup.

 

Carl

 

From: paul d [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

If you have the reg hack "dumpster always on," you can still recover those
emails that were 'hard-deleted.'

  _  

From: john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Talk to me about item 5. I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have
an option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check
that option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence,
to create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

 

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so
long backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may
disable GRT and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

 

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items
to be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also
forced them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

 

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a
specialist.

 

:-)

 

 

John

 

 

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full
Information Store backup

2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item
retention and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added
benefits

3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless

4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox

5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB
does NOT replace a full IS backup

 

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this
with BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed's method instead:
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Met
hod/sectionID/1009 

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com
b...@rolandschorr.com

 

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under
500USD? 

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications
to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the
public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to
public disclosure.

 

 

 

 

 




NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications
to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the
public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to
public disclosure.

 

  _  

Hotm

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Michael B. Smith]

That registry setting is not required in Outlook 2007 or above. (And in fact, 
its meaning has changed over the years, but that's a topic for an entire 
article, not a mailing list post.)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: paul d [mailto:pdw1...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

If you have the reg hack "dumpster always on," you can still recover those 
emails that were 'hard-deleted.'

From: john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?
Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)


John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks














NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to 
or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public 
disclosure.








NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to 
or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public 
disclosure.

___

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Michael B. Smith]

Ehhyou are now asking me about implementations. When you ask about "BLB", 
you are specifically referring to a MAPI backup as opposed to a VSS or 
ESE-level backup. I have no specifics on how "GRT", as a feature of BE, is 
implemented. It appears, based on this article 
(http://www.rm.com/Support/TechnicalArticle.asp?cref=TEC1226691) and the other 
articles referred to by that article, that GRT works by restoring a database, 
rolling it forward (i.e., applying all outstanding logfiles), and then reading 
directly from the database. The article I reference above also notes that if 
you properly configure and use DIR/DMR, that GRT is in fact more expensive in 
terms of time and disk used than the native tools. I just love independent 
confirmation. :-P

It sounds to me like GRT is not a BLB in the traditional sense, but that it 
depends on BackupExec/NetBackup understanding the format of an Exchange 
database as well as Microsoft does. To that I say "hah!"

If DIR is enabled, then items stay in DIR even if the users delete those items 
from their Deleted Items folder. They can then be recovered by using "Recover 
Deleted Items" from Outlook or OWA.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 9:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)


John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in c

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[paul d]

If you have the reg hack "dumpster always on," you can still recover those 
emails that were 'hard-deleted.'

From: john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 -0500
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?
















Talk to me about item 5… I’m using Exchange 12.5. In
my backup job, I have an option I can check to enable “Granular Recovery
Technology.” GRT lets me restore individual messages and mailboxes. You’re
saying that when I check that option, I’m no longer doing a “normal
IS backup” and need, in essence, to create a second backup job in which
GRT isn’t enabled?

 

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours,
but in our environment that’s acceptable (we’re not an overnight
operation here, so long backups at night are fine). But you’ve piqued my
curiosity; I may disable GRT and see how big a difference that makes in the
time.

 

On item 2, can’t users permanently delete items from their
Deleted Items folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced
those items to be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn’t
know if also forced them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

 

But I’m not an Exchange wiz by any means; I’m a
generalist, not a specialist.

 

:-)

 







John

 

 

 





From: Michael B. Smith
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?





 

1] it takes a long time – typically 2 or 3 times longer
than a full Information Store backup

2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted
item retention and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added
benefits

3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless

4] you lose visibility to “last accessed by” for the
mailbox

5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually
happens because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security
– a BLB does NOT replace a full IS backup

 

That being said – there are times and places and
environments where it makes sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

 



Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com



 





From: John Hornbuckle
[mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 

Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?





 

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though?
We’re doing this with BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to
it—no drawbacks.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 





From: Ben Schorr
[mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?





 

Oh, don’t do Brick
Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed’s method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009
 

 

Ben M. Schorr

Chief Executive Officer

__

Roland Schorr & Tower

www.rolandschorr.com

b...@rolandschorr.com

 







From: justino garcia
[mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?





 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside
NT-backup, has scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and
under 500USD? 



30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup
before it does a cleanup??



Any suggestions?



Thanks

 


 

 


 

 


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Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[jgarciaitlist]

So acronis backup !=exchange backups
Currently we are doing acronis and nt backup.
But nt-backups does
Any other simpler scheduling backups for exchange that backup the store?
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-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle 
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:16:00 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)



John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

















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RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[John Hornbuckle]

Talk to me about item 5... I'm using Exchange 12.5. In my backup job, I have an 
option I can check to enable "Granular Recovery Technology." GRT lets me 
restore individual messages and mailboxes. You're saying that when I check that 
option, I'm no longer doing a "normal IS backup" and need, in essence, to 
create a second backup job in which GRT isn't enabled?

We can live with item 1. Our Exchange backups take a few hours, but in our 
environment that's acceptable (we're not an overnight operation here, so long 
backups at night are fine). But you've piqued my curiosity; I may disable GRT 
and see how big a difference that makes in the time.

On item 2, can't users permanently delete items from their Deleted Items 
folder, even it retention is enabled? I thought retention forced those items to 
be permanently deleted after a period of time, but I didn't know if also forced 
them to NOT be permanently deleted for that same period.

But I'm not an Exchange wiz by any means; I'm a generalist, not a specialist.

:-)



John



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
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b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

















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RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Michael B. Smith]

1] it takes a long time - typically 2 or 3 times longer than a full Information 
Store backup
2] if you have properly configured and know how to use deleted item retention 
and deleted mailbox retention, BLB provides you with no added benefits
3] it makes mailbox auditing worthless
4] you lose visibility to "last accessed by" for the mailbox
5] if you are doing a BLB INSTEAD OF a normal IS backup (usually happens 
because of item [1]), it will give you a false sense of security - a BLB does 
NOT replace a full IS backup

That being said - there are times and places and environments where it makes 
sense. Very few and far between. But they exist.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

















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or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and 
the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public 
disclosure.

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RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[John Hornbuckle]

Is there a downside to doing brick-level backups, though? We're doing this with 
BackupExec, and I see only potential benefits to it-no drawbacks.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us





From: Ben Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed's method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks











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Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[John Cook]

Acronis is suitable for the OS drive backup, NT backup is Exchange aware and 
will backup the DB and flush the logs, that's how we do it here.


From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Sun Mar 07 18:48:55 2010
Subject: Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Okay thanks

Yea are doing both acronis and ntbackup now

But acronis does not seem like the right solution.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From: "Ben Schorr" 
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:45:27 -1000
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

You should be doing a regular online backup for your Exchange server – 
something Exchange-aware.  Honestly we often just use the built-in Windows 
backup and it’s worked fine for us.  We don’t do brick-level.  If we lose the 
whole server we need to restore the whole server anyhow.

You need to do an online backup because that’s how the log files get purged.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Okay
Thanks
How about if for some reason
Exhange box fails
Currenty using acronis
It not so great
How do we recover exchange
Any ideas for whole exchange server??

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


From: "Ben Schorr" 
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:39:06 -1000
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Oh, don’t do Brick Level backups.  :-(

Try Ed’s method instead: 
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore-Method/sectionID/1009

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com/>
b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has 
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under 500USD?

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and restored 
just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can retain a backup 
before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks






















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Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[jgarciaitlist]

Okay thanks

Yea are doing both acronis and ntbackup now

But acronis does not seem like the right solution.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "Ben Schorr" 
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:45:27 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

You should be doing a regular online backup for your Exchange server -
something Exchange-aware.  Honestly we often just use the built-in
Windows backup and it's worked fine for us.  We don't do brick-level.
If we lose the whole server we need to restore the whole server anyhow.

 

You need to do an online backup because that's how the log files get
purged.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Okay
Thanks
How about if for some reason
Exhange box fails 
Currenty using acronis
It not so great
How do we recover exchange
Any ideas for whole exchange server??

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile



From: "Ben Schorr"  

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:39:06 -1000

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed's method instead:
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore
-Method/sectionID/1009
<http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restor
e-Method/sectionID/1009>  

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under
500USD? 

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and
restored just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can
retain a backup before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

[Ben Schorr]

You should be doing a regular online backup for your Exchange server -
something Exchange-aware.  Honestly we often just use the built-in
Windows backup and it's worked fine for us.  We don't do brick-level.
If we lose the whole server we need to restore the whole server anyhow.

 

You need to do an online backup because that's how the log files get
purged.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: jgarciaitl...@gmail.com [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Okay
Thanks
How about if for some reason
Exhange box fails 
Currenty using acronis
It not so great
How do we recover exchange
Any ideas for whole exchange server??

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile



From: "Ben Schorr"  

Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:39:06 -1000

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Oh, don't do Brick Level backups.  :-(

 

Try Ed's method instead:
http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restore
-Method/sectionID/1009
<http://www.exchangefaq.org/faq/Exchange-5.5/The-Ed-Crowley-Never-Restor
e-Method/sectionID/1009>  

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

 

From: justino garcia [mailto:jgarciaitl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 13:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange brick level backup software Options / soultion?

 

Exchange brick level backup software, Anything beside NT-backup, has
scheduling, can backup to NAS or DISKS, and that is Simple, and under
500USD? 

30 mailboxes, about 60 gig store, needs to be backed-up daily, and
restored just in case, to test, has scheduling, and how long it can
retain a backup before it does a cleanup??

Any suggestions?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

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