Re: Five Things....

[Klint Price - ArizonaITPro]

When I run into a problem that is outside my daily routine, I fully 
communicate the issue with my manager in an official memo and include 
possible steps to resolution, pitfalls, potential issues, etc, and 
propose multiple solutions. Their responses are cataloged with the 
memo.  In the event the response is verbal, I confirm their response via 
e-mail.

Often times I include the cheap, quick fix and also the long-term 
solution which may require additional capital.  If I do my job right, it 
empowers my manager and the big boss to make a good business decision 
which allows their trust in me to grow.

If the problem requires a quick response, I take care of it, and then 
document the problem after the fact, and ways to avoid it in the 
future.  These are very handy to have around review time.

My current company believes in providing the right tool for the job, and 
getting it done right the first time.  I was shocked when they spent 
over $200k in my first month to get the right tools for the job I was 
working on.  My previous employer did not have the funds to make those 
same decisions.  We did all we could to stretch out the band-aid 
solution with 7 year old servers and nothing under contract so we could 
have our jobs as long as possible.  They are now on the brink of 
bankruptcy, but that extra 18 months of slave labor helped me move on to 
the job of my choice, rather than the first thing that came along.

FWIW

Klint



Tim Vander Kooi wrote:
>
> Well then you were recognized. I certainly don't think that everyone 
> in IT needs to be heralded by the entire company. Just so long as the 
> right people have the right information that's what matters.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 12:41 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Five Things
>
>  
>
> I brought it to my boss' attention at review time.  That recognition 
> meant more to me and my family.
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 1:16 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Five Things
>
>  
>
> I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to 
> bring your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your 
> job and do it well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing 
> something wrong.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Five Things
>
>  
>
> I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
> IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.
>
>  
>
> For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  
> What I did was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it 
> well.  They never knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If 
> they did know about it, it was because mistakes were made.  I get that 
> though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what I was getting myself into, and 
> I'm fine with it.
>
>  
>
> I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems 
> better here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them 
> do business better.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Five Things
>
>  
>
> That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a 
> small, rapidly growing technology company.  The company started in the 
> bedroom of the two brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and 
> therefore, my boss.  He was really good about recognizing not only 
> network accomplishments, but the developers/programmers also.  After 
> the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 days to fully recover from (I 
> got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I actually received a nice 
> desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, along with 
> recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...
>
>  
>
> Joe Heaton
>
>  
>
>  
>
> 
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Five Things
>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning 
> your successes. That's one thing I 

RE: Five Things....

[Free, Bob]

Thanks for this thread, it brightened a dismal day. I'm fortunate to be
more towards the other end of the spectrum and hearing how it is for
others reminded me to be grateful. When our company was named #1 in our
sector in the InformationWeek 500 last year, they took out full page ads
thanking us (IT), made it the main story in the intranet home page, put
out a press release etc. We have formal and informal awards and
recognition programs that management uses to reward exemplary effort.

Any company's overall success or failure is the sum of its parts.
Ultimately, they all succeed or fail together. In today's world, I don't
see how a company's management can expect to remain successful if they
don't promote and sustain teamwork.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

I've worked nearly 30 years in this trade, from Nordstrom to startups
with 50 people.

Nordstrom was the best, by far, until the company I'm at now, but the
only real recognition I got from Nordstrom was when I announced I was
leaving, after 11 years. The gig I have currently has, aside from
promoting me, given me several minor awards for treating other people
well, and helping out "over and above". That's with over 6 years here.

Recognition for projects completed? Never, at any company, beyond my
manager(s) saying thanks.

But, I don't really expect more than that - it's what I do. It's what
they pay me for after all.

I suppose I should take some of the 6 weeks of PTO saved up, though.

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>
>> It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its
practitioners
>> to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
>> we can usually hope for is to be invisible.
>>
>> To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
>> > celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch
or
>> > dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often
win
>> > company
>> > awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.
My
>> > boss
>> > and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
>> > tickets a
>> > couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds
like a
>> > lack of leadership to me...
>> >
>> > -Brian
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Five Things
>> >
>> > Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail
system and
>> > moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.
What do
>> > users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.
I
>> > have
>> > yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".
Won't
>> > ever
>> > happen probably.
>> >
>> > You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>> >
>> >>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
>> > I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially
mentioning
>> > your
>> > successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems
like the
>> > best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a
huge
>> > project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into
the
>> > night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for
the
>> > company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year
the
>> > company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that
picnic
>> > they recognize staff for different things, never once have they
>> > mentioned
>> > anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>> >
>> > Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts
is me
>> > and
>> > my family at home. ;-)
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
>> > T

Re: Five Things....

[Ben Scott]

2008/6/20 Erik Goldoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to bring
>> your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do
>> it well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.
>
> I've got to disagree here ... in some cases (many, but not all) IT is
> ubiquitous to the rest of the organization, just like public utilities... no
> one pats the power company on the back because the lights come on every day
> when you flip the switch, because you expect that to happen.

  I think that's TVK's point: If the IT does their job right, nobody
thinks about it.  So part of working in IT is making sure the right
people are aware that you're working hard to keep things working.
Otherwise, IT gets forgotten when it comes to things like budgets,
resource allocation, etc.  Or worse, IT gets targeted for reduction,
since people don't realize that keeping things running is work.

  The same problem exists in other fields, too.  Security's a good
example: Nobody thinks about security until there is a break-in.  So
if security is doing their job, they aren't noticed.

  "When I do right, nobody remembers; when I do wrong, nobody forgets."

  A related theme: I once had a customer who thought that us IT guys
caused IT problems.  You see, the only time he saw us was when we were
there was something wrong and we went on-site to fix it.  He actually
submitted a formal request that we contact him personally at least 24
hours in advance of coming on-site -- because, of course, that way he
could schedule for the IT problems we caused.  My response included
the analogy: "If a house is on fire, you will see fire trucks.  That
does not mean that fire trucks cause fires."

-- Ben

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RE: Five Things....

[Erik Goldoff]

I've got to disagree here ... in some cases (many, but not all) IT is
ubiquitous to the rest of the organization, just like public utilities... no
one pats the power company on the back because the lights come on every day
when you flip the switch, because you expect that to happen.  It gets to be
the same in some organizations when you do your job in IT *very* well.
 
Even better than singing your own praises, is highlighting the problems that
other organizations face (outages, virus infection, poor software results,
etc) and their effects on those folks.

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things



I would say that part of being a successful “IT guy”, is being able to bring
your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do
it well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.

 

 


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RE: Five Things....

[EricB]

Exactly.  I'm not saying a nice pat on the back from time to time wouldn't have 
been appreciated, but I was thanked in the ways that worked best for me.

 

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

Well then you were recognized. I certainly don't think that everyone in IT 
needs to be heralded by the entire company. Just so long as the right people 
have the right information that's what matters.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

I brought it to my boss' attention at review time.  That recognition meant more 
to me and my family.

 

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to bring 
your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do it 
well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.

 

For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What I did 
was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They never 
knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about it, it was 
because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what 
I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.

 

I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems better 
here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them do business 
better.

 

 

 

  _  

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small, rapidly 
growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom of the two 
brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my boss.  He was 
really good about recognizing not only network accomplishments, but the 
developers/programmers also.  After the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 
days to fully recover from (I got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I 
actually received a nice desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, 
along with recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going. 

 

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

 

James

- Original Message - 

From: Tom Strader - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  NCBPAC Systems Administrator 

To: NT System Admin Issues <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>  

Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM

Subject: OT: Five Things

 

 

Five things you should never tell your boss 
 <http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/> 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/ 

 


Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Five Things....

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Well then you were recognized. I certainly don't think that everyone in IT 
needs to be heralded by the entire company. Just so long as the right people 
have the right information that's what matters.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

I brought it to my boss' attention at review time.  That recognition meant more 
to me and my family.


From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to bring 
your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do it 
well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.

For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What I did 
was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They never 
knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about it, it was 
because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what 
I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.

I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems better 
here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them do business 
better.




From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small, rapidly 
growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom of the two 
brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my boss.  He was 
really good about recognizing not only network accomplishments, but the 
developers/programmers also.  After the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 
days to fully recover from (I got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I 
actually received a nice desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, 
along with recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...

Joe Heaton



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things
I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going.

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

James
- Original Message -
From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/


Thanks,
Tom Strader
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
Server/Network Systems Administrator
130 N. Tryon St.
Charlotte, NC 28202
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

"Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without 
appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"

















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RE: Five Things....

[EricB]

I brought it to my boss' attention at review time.  That recognition meant more 
to me and my family.

 

  _  

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to bring 
your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do it 
well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.

 

For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What I did 
was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They never 
knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about it, it was 
because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what 
I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.

 

I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems better 
here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them do business 
better.

 

 

 

  _  

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small, rapidly 
growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom of the two 
brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my boss.  He was 
really good about recognizing not only network accomplishments, but the 
developers/programmers also.  After the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 
days to fully recover from (I got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I 
actually received a nice desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, 
along with recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going. 

 

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

 

James

- Original Message - 

From: Tom Strader - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  NCBPAC Systems Administrator 

To: NT System Admin Issues <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>  

Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM

Subject: OT: Five Things

 

 

Five things you should never tell your boss 
 <http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/> 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/ 

 


Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

"Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without 
appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Five Things....

[Steven Peck]

We used to have group unity where I work now, internal recognition and
get togethers / lunch, but ever since the new senior management that
stopped.  He doesn't believe in that stuff and now the environment is
fear, threat and contempt.  Being recognized is bad as recognition is
now fault/blame and meetings.  Especially if your technical analysis
is at odds with a 'pet' technology or group.

Steven

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Blaine Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What
>> I did was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They
>> never knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about
>> it, it was because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT
>> Guy".  I knew what I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.
>>
>
>
> Several years ago I worked IT in a couple of printing companies.  One day
> one of the big bosses came in and saw us sitting there, checking email and
> laughing.  He asked us why we were just sitting around and I told him we
> weren't "just sitting around" but knowing that he used to be a pressman told
> him that IT is a little like running a press.  When you are running around
> adjusting your registration and coverage you are throwing a lot of stuff
> away and not making real money.  When you see IT people scrambling around
> then something is probably broken.  He understood what I was, smiled, and
> started laughing and talking with us a bit.
>
> Since then, I've gone back to be independent and the people I do work for
> see me as a ghost.  They rarely see me but I keep things running smooth.  If
> they do have a problem I'm quick to respond.  I'm a firm believer that when
> you see your support people running around then you aren't making as much as
> when you don't see them.  Of course, this only applies to support and
> maintenance not new projects.
>
> --Blaine
>
>
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Re: Five Things....

[Blaine Fleming]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  
What I did was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it 
well.  They never knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If 
they did know about it, it was because mistakes were made.  I get that 
though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what I was getting myself into, and 
I'm fine with it.





Several years ago I worked IT in a couple of printing companies.  One 
day one of the big bosses came in and saw us sitting there, checking 
email and laughing.  He asked us why we were just sitting around and I 
told him we weren't "just sitting around" but knowing that he used to be 
a pressman told him that IT is a little like running a press.  When you 
are running around adjusting your registration and coverage you are 
throwing a lot of stuff away and not making real money.  When you see IT 
people scrambling around then something is probably broken.  He 
understood what I was, smiled, and started laughing and talking with us 
a bit.


Since then, I've gone back to be independent and the people I do work 
for see me as a ghost.  They rarely see me but I keep things running 
smooth.  If they do have a problem I'm quick to respond.  I'm a firm 
believer that when you see your support people running around then you 
aren't making as much as when you don't see them.  Of course, this only 
applies to support and maintenance not new projects.


--Blaine


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RE: Five Things....

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I would say that part of being a successful "IT guy", is being able to bring 
your accomplishments to the attention of others. If you do your job and do it 
well yet no one realizes that, then you are doing something wrong.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.

For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What I did 
was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They never 
knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about it, it was 
because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what 
I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.

I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems better 
here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them do business 
better.




From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small, rapidly 
growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom of the two 
brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my boss.  He was 
really good about recognizing not only network accomplishments, but the 
developers/programmers also.  After the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 
days to fully recover from (I got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I 
actually received a nice desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, 
along with recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...

Joe Heaton



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things
I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going.

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

James
- Original Message -
From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NT System Admin Issues<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/


Thanks,
Tom Strader
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
Server/Network Systems Administrator
130 N. Tryon St.
Charlotte, NC 28202
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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RE: Five Things....

[Tim Vander Kooi]

I agree.
A large part of it has to do with the organization, but part of it has to do 
with the IT people involved too. A number of those of us who are user group 
leaders just had a discussion about this at TechEd. There's a fine line that we 
 have to try to find in IT between being the "geek" who speaks in a language 
that no one understands, and being an obnoxious know-it-all with a "God 
complex" who no one can stand to be around. The problem is that a lot of very 
good people in IT suffer from the sins of their predecessors who didn't know 
how to deal with the public, so now IT is the group everybody avoids. On a good 
note, I know in my experience with a number of companies in the south and 
Midwest that our (IT's) perception within business in general is getting better 
with time.
Tim

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

Weird, recognition has been a part of any project plan I've been involved with 
the last few years...
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:
I've worked nearly 30 years in this trade, from Nordstrom to startups
with 50 people.

Nordstrom was the best, by far, until the company I'm at now, but the
only real recognition I got from Nordstrom was when I announced I was
leaving, after 11 years. The gig I have currently has, aside from
promoting me, given me several minor awards for treating other people
well, and helping out "over and above". That's with over 6 years here.

Recognition for projects completed? Never, at any company, beyond my
manager(s) saying thanks.

But, I don't really expect more than that - it's what I do. It's what
they pay me for after all.

I suppose I should take some of the 6 weeks of PTO saved up, though.

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
>> to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
>> we can usually hope for is to be invisible.
>>
>> To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>> > That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
>> > celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
>> > dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
>> > company
>> > awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
>> > boss
>> > and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
>> > tickets a
>> > couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
>> > lack of leadership to me...
>> >
>> > -Brian
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Five Things
>> >
>> > Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
>> > moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
>> > users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
>> > have
>> > yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
>> > ever
>> > happen probably.
>> >
>> > You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>> >
>> >>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 6/20/2008 
>> >>>> 9:42 AM >>>
>> > I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
>> > your
>> > successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
>> > best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
>> > project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
>> > night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
>> > company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
>> > company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
>> > they recognize staff for different 

RE: Five Things....

[EricB]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

I know of someone that worked for a big pharmaceutical company. They had
just the right amount of IT staff to handle all issues which enabled the
corporation run smoothly and be a very proactive IT department... i.e. not
running around fix virus problems, crashes, user issues, etc...

Some head executive thought since there was no major IT issues in the
company, it was okay to cut 1/3 of the IT staff. One of those cut was my
friend.

Two months later, he was called back. Took them over six months to get back
to "normal."

If your IT department is "invisible" and everything is running smoothly...
do not get any crazy ideas.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
we can usually hope for is to be invisible.

To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
company
> awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My boss
> and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie tickets
a
> couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
> lack of leadership to me...
>
> -Brian
>
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Five Things
>
> Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
> moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
> users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have
> yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
ever
> happen probably.
>
> You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>
>>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your
> successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
> best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
> project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
> night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
> company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
> they recognize staff for different things, never once have they mentioned
> anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>
> Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
and
> my family at home. ;-)
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: OT: Five Things
>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Strader
> NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>
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RE: Five Things....

[EricB]

I think that's the difference.  Your company was built with IT, and an 
IT-centric person is very near the top.  They "get" it.

 

For the most part, I agree with the lack of recognition sentiments.  What I did 
was invisible to the rest of the company, because I did it well.  They never 
knew when there was a problem, upgrade, etc.  If they did know about it, it was 
because mistakes were made.  I get that though.  I am an "IT Guy".  I knew what 
I was getting myself into, and I'm fine with it.

 

I only recently started working for my current company, but it seems better 
here.  I am looked at as a person that can, and will, help them do business 
better.

 

 

 

  _  

From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Five Things

 

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small, rapidly 
growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom of the two 
brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my boss.  He was 
really good about recognizing not only network accomplishments, but the 
developers/programmers also.  After the big Code Red virus, which took us 3 
days to fully recover from (I got about 4 hours of sleep in that period), I 
actually received a nice desk clock with an engraving, and a decent gift card, 
along with recognition at the monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...

 

Joe Heaton

 

 

  _  

From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going. 

 

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

 

James

- Original Message - 

From: Tom Strader - <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  NCBPAC Systems Administrator 

To: NT System Admin Issues <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>  

Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM

Subject: OT: Five Things

 

 

Five things you should never tell your boss 
 <http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/> 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/ 

 


Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Five Things....

[Jacob]

I know of someone that worked for a big pharmaceutical company. They had
just the right amount of IT staff to handle all issues which enabled the
corporation run smoothly and be a very proactive IT department... i.e. not
running around fix virus problems, crashes, user issues, etc...

Some head executive thought since there was no major IT issues in the
company, it was okay to cut 1/3 of the IT staff. One of those cut was my
friend.

Two months later, he was called back. Took them over six months to get back
to "normal."

If your IT department is "invisible" and everything is running smoothly...
do not get any crazy ideas.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
we can usually hope for is to be invisible.

To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
company
> awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My boss
> and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie tickets
a
> couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
> lack of leadership to me...
>
> -Brian
>
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Five Things
>
> Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
> moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
> users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have
> yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
ever
> happen probably.
>
> You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>
>>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your
> successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
> best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
> project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
> night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
> company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
> they recognize staff for different things, never once have they mentioned
> anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>
> Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
and
> my family at home. ;-)
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: OT: Five Things
>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Strader
> NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>
>
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> the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and
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RE: Five Things....

[Joe Heaton]

That's too bad.  My second IT job was as the Network Admin for a small,
rapidly growing technology company.  The company started in the bedroom
of the two brothers, one of which ended up as the CIO, and therefore, my
boss.  He was really good about recognizing not only network
accomplishments, but the developers/programmers also.  After the big
Code Red virus, which took us 3 days to fully recover from (I got about
4 hours of sleep in that period), I actually received a nice desk clock
with an engraving, and a decent gift card, along with recognition at the
monthly company meeting.  Was pretty cool...
 
Joe Heaton
 



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 6:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things


I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
your successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems
like the best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you
complete a huge project, there is never a thank you for working all
weekend or into the night to get that project done even if it has a
great outcome for the company. Its been like that at every job I've
worked at. Every year the company I work for has a picnic for the
employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for different
things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 years
I've been going. 
 
Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
and my family at home. ;-)
 
James

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: NT System Admin Issues
<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>  
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
<http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/>  



Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

"Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence
without appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to
man"








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RE: Five Things....

[Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator]

My thoughts exactly Kurt. Well spoken!! 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
we can usually hope for is to be invisible.

To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
company
> awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
boss
> and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
tickets a
> couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like
a
> lack of leadership to me...
>
> -Brian
>
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Five Things
>
> Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system
and
> moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What
do
> users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
have
> yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
ever
> happen probably.
>
> You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>
>>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
your
> successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like
the
> best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a
huge
> project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into
the
> night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year
the
> company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that
picnic
> they recognize staff for different things, never once have they
mentioned
> anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>
> Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is
me and
> my family at home. ;-)
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: OT: Five Things
>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Strader
> NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>
>
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RE: Five Things....

[David Lum]

+1

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

 

You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
we can usually hope for is to be invisible.

To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.


On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
company
> awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
boss
> and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
tickets a
> couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like
a
> lack of leadership to me...
>
> -Brian
>
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Five Things
>
> Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system
and
> moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What
do
> users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
have
> yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
ever
> happen probably.
>
> You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>
>>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
your
> successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like
the
> best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a
huge
> project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into
the
> night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year
the
> company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that
picnic
> they recognize staff for different things, never once have they
mentioned
> anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>
> Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is
me and
> my family at home. ;-)
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: OT: Five Things
>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Strader
> NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: Five Things....

[Don Ely]

Weird, recognition has been a part of any project plan I've been involved
with the last few years...

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've worked nearly 30 years in this trade, from Nordstrom to startups
> with 50 people.
>
> Nordstrom was the best, by far, until the company I'm at now, but the
> only real recognition I got from Nordstrom was when I announced I was
> leaving, after 11 years. The gig I have currently has, aside from
> promoting me, given me several minor awards for treating other people
> well, and helping out "over and above". That's with over 6 years here.
>
> Recognition for projects completed? Never, at any company, beyond my
> manager(s) saying thanks.
>
> But, I don't really expect more than that - it's what I do. It's what
> they pay me for after all.
>
> I suppose I should take some of the 6 weeks of PTO saved up, though.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
> >> to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
> >> we can usually hope for is to be invisible.
> >>
> >> To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> >> > celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> >> > dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
> >> > company
> >> > awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
> >> > boss
> >> > and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
> >> > tickets a
> >> > couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like
> a
> >> > lack of leadership to me...
> >> >
> >> > -Brian
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Subject: Re: Five Things
> >> >
> >> > Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system
> and
> >> > moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What
> do
> >> > users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
> >> > have
> >> > yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
> >> > ever
> >> > happen probably.
> >> >
> >> > You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
> >> >
> >> >>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> >> > I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
> >> > your
> >> > successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like
> the
> >> > best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a
> huge
> >> > project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into
> the
> >> > night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> >> > company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year
> the
> >> > company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that
> picnic
> >> > they recognize staff for different things, never once have they
> >> > mentioned
> >> > anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
> >> >
> >> > Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is
> me
> >> > and
> >> > my family at home. ;-)
> >> >
> >> > James
> >> >
> >> > - Original Message -
> >> > From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> >> > Subject: OT: Five Things
> >> >
> >> > Five things you should never tell your boss
> >> > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/330104

Re: Five Things....

[Kurt Buff]

I've worked nearly 30 years in this trade, from Nordstrom to startups
with 50 people.

Nordstrom was the best, by far, until the company I'm at now, but the
only real recognition I got from Nordstrom was when I announced I was
leaving, after 11 years. The gig I have currently has, aside from
promoting me, given me several minor awards for treating other people
well, and helping out "over and above". That's with over 6 years here.

Recognition for projects completed? Never, at any company, beyond my
manager(s) saying thanks.

But, I don't really expect more than that - it's what I do. It's what
they pay me for after all.

I suppose I should take some of the 6 weeks of PTO saved up, though.

Kurt

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Don Ely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
>> to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
>> we can usually hope for is to be invisible.
>>
>> To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
>> > celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
>> > dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
>> > company
>> > awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
>> > boss
>> > and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie
>> > tickets a
>> > couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
>> > lack of leadership to me...
>> >
>> > -Brian
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Five Things
>> >
>> > Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
>> > moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
>> > users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
>> > have
>> > yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
>> > ever
>> > happen probably.
>> >
>> > You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>> >
>> >>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
>> > I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
>> > your
>> > successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
>> > best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
>> > project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
>> > night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
>> > company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
>> > company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
>> > they recognize staff for different things, never once have they
>> > mentioned
>> > anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>> >
>> > Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
>> > and
>> > my family at home. ;-)
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
>> > Subject: OT: Five Things
>> >
>> > Five things you should never tell your boss
>> > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Tom Strader
>> > NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
>> > Server/Network Systems Administrator
>> > 130 N. Tryon St.
>> > Charlotte, NC 28202
>> > O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
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>> > appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>> >
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Re: Five Things....

[Don Ely]

You guys must work for some fscked up Orgs...

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
> to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
> we can usually hope for is to be invisible.
>
> To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> > celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> > dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
> company
> > awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My
> boss
> > and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie tickets
> a
> > couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
> > lack of leadership to me...
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> > ____
> > From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Five Things
> >
> > Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
> > moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
> > users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have
> > yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't
> ever
> > happen probably.
> >
> > You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
> >
> >>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> > I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
> your
> > successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
> > best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
> > project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
> > night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> > company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
> > company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
> > they recognize staff for different things, never once have they mentioned
> > anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
> >
> > Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
> and
> > my family at home. ;-)
> >
> > James
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> > Subject: OT: Five Things
> >
> > Five things you should never tell your boss
> > http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Strader
> > NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> > Server/Network Systems Administrator
> > 130 N. Tryon St.
> > Charlotte, NC 28202
> > O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> > appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
> >
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Re: Five Things....

[Kurt Buff]

It's unfortunate but normal in the IT profession for its practitioners
to be unrecognized. We're normally considered overhead, and the best
we can usually hope for is to be invisible.

To be noticed usually means something has gone wrong.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Webb, Brian (Corp)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
> celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
> dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win company
> awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and such.  My boss
> and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I got movie tickets a
> couple months ago when they appreciated some work I did.   Sounds like a
> lack of leadership to me...
>
> -Brian
>
> 
> From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Five Things
>
> Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
> moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
> users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have
> yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't ever
> happen probably.
>
> You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...
>
>>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
> I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your
> successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the
> best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge
> project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the
> night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the
> company. Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the
> company I work for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic
> they recognize staff for different things, never once have they mentioned
> anything about IT in the 7 years I've been going.
>
> Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and
> my family at home. ;-)
>
> James
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
> Subject: OT: Five Things
>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Strader
> NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>
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RE: Five Things....

[Webb, Brian (Corp)]

That's really too bad to hear.  Successful projects are definitely
celebrated here.  The project team generally will have a nice lunch or
dinner depending on how big the project is and IT projects often win
company awards with names like "Inspiring Excellence" and "GEM" and
such.  My boss and his boss are both good about recognizing people - I
got movie tickets a couple months ago when they appreciated some work I
did.   Sounds like a lack of leadership to me...
 
-Brian

 



From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things


Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and
moved all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do
users do:  complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I
have yet to see anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".
Won't ever happen probably.
 
You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...

>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>

I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning
your successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems
like the best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you
complete a huge project, there is never a thank you for working all
weekend or into the night to get that project done even if it has a
great outcome for the company. Its been like that at every job I've
worked at. Every year the company I work for has a picnic for the
employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for different
things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 years
I've been going. 
 
Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me
and my family at home. ;-)
 
James

- Original Message - 
From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: NT System Admin Issues
<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>  
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/
<http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/>  



Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

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Re: OT: Five Things....

[James Rankin]

The one thing my boss hates to hear me say:-

"Backout plan? *What *backout plan?"

2008/6/20 Doug Hampshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> How come these weren't on the list?
>
> 5. I didn't know we were supposed to use a different tape each day for the
> backups.
> 4. I just completed a roll out of Plaxo on everyone's desktop
> 3. Oh, I was supposed to check with you first doing Project X?
> 2. I was just browsing through the CEO's eMail and you should see some of
> the lists he subscribes to!
>
> and the #1 thing you should never tell your boss
>
> 1. Boss, your wife and I need to tell you to go see this doctor at the
> clinic for an STD test.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Five things you should never tell your boss
>> *http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/*<http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> *Tom Strader*
>> *NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center*
>> Server/Network Systems Administrator
>> 130 N. Tryon St.
>> Charlotte, NC 28202
>> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
>> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>>
>>
>

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Re: OT: Five Things....

[Doug Hampshire]

How come these weren't on the list?

5. I didn't know we were supposed to use a different tape each day for the
backups.
4. I just completed a roll out of Plaxo on everyone's desktop
3. Oh, I was supposed to check with you first doing Project X?
2. I was just browsing through the CEO's eMail and you should see some of
the lists he subscribes to!

and the #1 thing you should never tell your boss

1. Boss, your wife and I need to tell you to go see this doctor at the
clinic for an STD test.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Five things you should never tell your boss
> *http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/*<http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/>
>
>
> Thanks,
> *Tom Strader*
> *NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center*
> Server/Network Systems Administrator
> 130 N. Tryon St.
> Charlotte, NC 28202
> O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without
> appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"
>
>

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RE: Five Things....

[John Cook]

I guess our group is a little different. I've been singled out for employee  of 
the quarter twice in 4 yrs and our group got the best Department award last 
year. Now raises - that's another ugly story...

John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: Tom Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Five Things

Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and moved 
all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do users do:  
complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have yet to see 
anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't ever happen 
probably.

You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...

>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going.

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

James
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To: NT System Admin Issues<mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/


Thanks,
Tom Strader
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
Server/Network Systems Administrator
130 N. Tryon St.
Charlotte, NC 28202
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
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Re: Five Things....

[Tom Miller]

Amen to that.  I've build a new network, phone system, e-mail system and moved 
all of our users to new offices over the last few years.  What do users do:  
complain.  Admin/Executives are the worst complainers.  I have yet to see 
anyone from IT here to be "employee of the quarter".  Won't ever happen 
probably.
 
You get a raise?  I thought we PAID to work here...

>>> "James Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6/20/2008 9:42 AM >>>
I like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially mentioning your 
successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems like the best 
you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a huge project, 
there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the night to get 
that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. Its been like 
that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work for has a 
picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff for 
different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going. 
 
Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)
 
James


- Original Message - 
From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator ( mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) 
To: NT System Admin Issues ( mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ) 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: OT: Five Things



Five things you should never tell your boss 
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/ 


Thanks, 
Tom Strader 
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
Server/Network Systems Administrator 
130 N. Tryon St. 
Charlotte, NC 28202 
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: Five Things....

[James Kerr]

OT: Five ThingsI like the 5 things you SHOULD say to your boss, specially 
mentioning your successes. That's one thing I dislike about IT because it seems 
like the best you can do is maintain the status quo. Even if you complete a 
huge project, there is never a thank you for working all weekend or into the 
night to get that project done even if it has a great outcome for the company. 
Its been like that at every job I've worked at. Every year the company I work 
for has a picnic for the employees and during that picnic they recognize staff 
for different things, never once have they mentioned anything about IT in the 7 
years I've been going. 

Whatever, as long as I get my raise, I'm happy. What really counts is me and my 
family at home. ;-)

James
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:42 AM
  Subject: OT: Five Things....




  Five things you should never tell your boss 
  http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/ 



   
  Thanks, 
  Tom Strader 
  NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center 
  Server/Network Systems Administrator 
  130 N. Tryon St. 
  Charlotte, NC 28202 
  O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  "Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without 
appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"







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OT: Five Things....

[Tom Strader - NCBPAC Systems Administrator]

Five things you should never tell your boss
http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/3301042/4753902/121207/2/


 
Thanks,
Tom Strader
NC Blumenthal Performing Arts Center
Server/Network Systems Administrator
130 N. Tryon St.
Charlotte, NC 28202
O: 704.379.1285 | F:704.444.2098
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Action without intelligence is ignorance". But, Intelligence without 
appropriate action is the highest form of stupidity known to man"


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