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Is “having at least one DC a physical box” still a reasonable best practice in 2012? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net]mailto:[mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. ☺ Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org]mailto:[mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200
Re: Hyper-V Design Questions
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Is “having at least one DC a physical box” still a reasonable best practice in 2012? Well, everything always depends on the details. If you've got a lot of Microsoft infrastructure -- especially virtualization and DNS -- I'd say it's a pretty good idea. Otherwise you can get into chicken-and-egg problems on a site-wide cold start. If that stuff isn't dependent on your AD DC (e.g., you're running VMware and BIND) it doesn't matter so much. (But then you'll likely benefit from having a physical BIND server.) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I don’t know what the general consensus is, but I believe it’s a definite benefit. We’ve gone through a phase where our DC was virtualized and experienced problems because of it. You could call it a bootstrap thing, where your hosts (VM or Hyper-V) need at least DNS and probably AD, but neither is available until the host comes up and your DC guest starts. There are workarounds, like using host files on the VM or Hyper-V hosts for name resolution, and making sure your DC auto starts when the host starts. So yes, I believe it’s still a reasonable best practice. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Is “having at least one DC a physical box” still a reasonable best practice in 2012? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net]mailto:[mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. ☺ Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org]mailto:[mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard
Re: Hyper-V Design Questions
+1 * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.comwrote: I don’t know what the general consensus is, but I believe it’s a definite benefit. We’ve gone through a phase where our DC was virtualized and experienced problems because of it. You could call it a bootstrap thing, where your hosts (VM or Hyper-V) need at least DNS and probably AD, but neither is available until the host comes up and your DC guest starts. There are workarounds, like using host files on the VM or Hyper-V hosts for name resolution, and making sure your DC auto starts when the host starts. ** ** So yes, I believe it’s still a reasonable best practice. ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Monday, January 30, 2012 8:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Is “having at least one DC a physical box” still a reasonable best practice in 2012? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:02 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** ** ** Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. ** ** ** ** *Michael Walker* *Senior Network Engineer* Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 *Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882* *mwal...@mail.cvhp.org* mwal...@mail.cvhp.org ** ** *From:* Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Just some general questions and observations. ** ** **1. **The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. **2. **Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. **3. **Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. **4. **How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? **5. **If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. **6. **Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. J Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. **7. **Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full.** ** The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. ** ** I’m sure others will have other questions. ** ** Art ** ** *From:* Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Hi All, ** ** I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. ** ** Any feedback or assistance is greatly
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3. Good news on the existing physical DC. Helps for when you need to reboot the new server with the 4 VMs. Redundancy is a good thing. 4. Since you have 6 NICs available and are not planning to cluster anything now I think I would use 1 NIC for the management of the host and 2 NICs for the 4 VMs. You could put VM1 and VM2 on one and VM3 and VM4 on the other. Or 1 NIC for VM1 and the other NIC gets VM 2,3 and 4. The theory there being they hit the RDS server and access the EMR application and SQL. Since you say traffic is light you could go a couple of different ways and adjust after viewing your performance metrics. 6. Generally speaking, however a server was to be configured on a physical box applies to a virtual one. So I think having the SQL logs and data on separate partitions is better. If the vendor supporting the database feels the traffic is light and the performance impact is low that having the logs and data on the same partition won’t be an issue, I would go with their recommendation. Again it can be changed if their initial assessment turns out to be inaccurate. Only time and usage will tell. 15 light users can turn into 15 heavy users and performance could suffer. I’m curious about their concerns on recoverability. It’s not like you don’t have redundancy and backup built into your plan. I would leave your storage as you have it. Two RAID 1 partitions and one RAID5. First RAID 1- host OS and two VMs. Second RAID1- File data and two VMs. SQL data and logs on the RAID5. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. J Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My
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Good points. Seems to me this could be mitigated by one Hyper-V host not being on the domain and configured with static (not by reservation, even) IP’s. While I currently do have one physical and one VM DC at my %nightjob% sites I plan on having them all virtualized at some point, with the DC’s not relying on anything in common other than the network switch they’re connected to. DC #2 will be on the workgroup Hyper-V host (and on the free 2008 R2 Hyper-V OS). I used to think a 1:1 host\guest ratio would never make sense, but I am finding I disagree with myself. Dave From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 7:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions I don’t know what the general consensus is, but I believe it’s a definite benefit. We’ve gone through a phase where our DC was virtualized and experienced problems because of it. You could call it a bootstrap thing, where your hosts (VM or Hyper-V) need at least DNS and probably AD, but neither is available until the host comes up and your DC guest starts. There are workarounds, like using host files on the VM or Hyper-V hosts for name resolution, and making sure your DC auto starts when the host starts. So yes, I believe it’s still a reasonable best practice. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]mailto:[mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Is “having at least one DC a physical box” still a reasonable best practice in 2012? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org]mailto:[mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 12:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net]mailto:[mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. ☺ Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org]mailto:[mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject
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Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. J Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition – 300 GB Host OS – 60 GB
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They never did. From a licensing PoV, if you buy Enterprise Edition you are entitled to 4 VMs plus the host. But the host should have no roles other than Hyper-V. If you want to put other roles on the host, you forfeit one of the guest licenses. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hyper-V Design Questions Since when did they change that license? I guess I need to go and re-read the thing. Glad it is a lab setup. Jon On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com wrote: We are talking about LICENSING... Not what you can do, but what you are supposed to do. Big difference. BF From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.commailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hyper-V Design Questions Wrong! Sorry I have a Hyper-V host in my test lab with WSUS on it. I know of more than one person on the list that has a DC running on their Hyper-V host (not a config I personally would want but that is neither here nor there). I have done what the OP is wanting without VM 4 but my VM 4 was System Center Essential, and I did have a DC as a VM on the same host. I would suggest you make some changes to your setup though. You did not mention a number of NIC's on the box or how much RAM or for that matter the number of sockets/processors. I personally am in favor of dedicating one NIC per VM and one for the Host. I would suggest you might want to have more than one NIC on the Remote Desktop VM though but I have never done one of those. RAID 1 System drive maybe 120GM and nothing else on that RAID 1. Keep the system the system put your VM's on another drive. RAID 1 or RAID 5 (depends on how much traffic) for all the VM's. I would stay away from huge drives as I have noticed at $dayjob$ we seem to be getting more than I would expect of the big SAS or SCSI drives failing. Other wise I kind of like your lay out. I have never been a fan of putting File and Print on a DC. Jon On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.commailto:jat...@gmail.com wrote: If you are thinking MS Hyper-V server, it won't run anything else. The quote is for Windows Server 2008 R2 where you certainly can run other services On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com wrote: If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882tel:%2%29%20299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 - AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition - 300 GB Host OS - 60 GB 3 VMs - 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition - 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition - 1200 GB
Hyper-V Design Questions
Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 - AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition - 300 GB Host OS - 60 GB 3 VMs - 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition - 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition - 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) QUESTIONS: With the above minimum requirements in mind - 1. Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. 2. Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 - AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition - 300 GB Host OS - 60 GB 3 VMs - 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition - 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition - 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) QUESTIONS: With the above minimum requirements in mind - 1. Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. 2. Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You should have one DC on a standalone piece of hardware (IMHO) and then have one on a virtual machineI wouldn't put it on the host. Two at a minimum. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.com wrote: If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. ** ** ** ** *From:* Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Hi All, ** ** I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. ** ** Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! ** ** *Michael Walker* *Senior Network Engineer* Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 *Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882* *mwal...@mail.cvhp.org* mwal...@mail.cvhp.org ** ** *Hardware Software: * Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition ** ** *Physical Virtual Servers:* Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space ** ** *Usage:* There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. ** ** *Storage Configuration: * 10 x 300GB Drives** 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition – 300 GB Host OS – 60 GB 3 VMs – 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition – 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition – 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) ** ** *QUESTIONS: * With the above minimum requirements in mind - **1. **Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. **2. **Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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If you are thinking MS Hyper-V server, it won't run anything else. The quote is for Windows Server 2008 R2 where you certainly can run other services On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.com wrote: If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. ** ** ** ** *From:* Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Hi All, ** ** I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. ** ** Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! ** ** *Michael Walker* *Senior Network Engineer* Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 *Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882* *mwal...@mail.cvhp.org* mwal...@mail.cvhp.org ** ** *Hardware Software: * Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition ** ** *Physical Virtual Servers:* Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space ** ** *Usage:* There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. ** ** *Storage Configuration: * 10 x 300GB Drives** 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition – 300 GB Host OS – 60 GB 3 VMs – 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition – 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition – 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) ** ** *QUESTIONS: * With the above minimum requirements in mind - **1. **Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. **2. **Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Probable Contrarian ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can't move AD and File Print Services to the host. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn't make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don't agree with your storage configuration. J Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. I'm sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 - AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition - 300 GB Host OS - 60 GB 3 VMs - 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition - 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition - 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) QUESTIONS: With the above minimum requirements in mind - 1. Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. 2. Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote: If you are thinking MS Hyper-V server, it won't run anything else. The quote is for Windows Server 2008 R2 where you certainly can run other services The license for Win 2008 R2 Enterprise Edition allows you to run R2 on four guests plus the host, but only if the host does *nothing* else. It can't be a DC or even DHCP. If you want to do more you need to buy another R2 license. Datacenter Edition allows any kind of host plus unlimited guests. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Hyper-V Design Questions
Wrong! Sorry I have a Hyper-V host in my test lab with WSUS on it. I know of more than one person on the list that has a DC running on their Hyper-V host (not a config I personally would want but that is neither here nor there). I have done what the OP is wanting without VM 4 but my VM 4 was System Center Essential, and I did have a DC as a VM on the same host. I would suggest you make some changes to your setup though. You did not mention a number of NIC's on the box or how much RAM or for that matter the number of sockets/processors. I personally am in favor of dedicating one NIC per VM and one for the Host. I would suggest you might want to have more than one NIC on the Remote Desktop VM though but I have never done one of those. RAID 1 System drive maybe 120GM and nothing else on that RAID 1. Keep the system the system put your VM's on another drive. RAID 1 or RAID 5 (depends on how much traffic) for all the VM's. I would stay away from huge drives as I have noticed at $dayjob$ we seem to be getting more than I would expect of the big SAS or SCSI drives failing. Other wise I kind of like your lay out. I have never been a fan of putting File and Print on a DC. Jon On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.com wrote: If you are thinking MS Hyper-V server, it won't run anything else. The quote is for Windows Server 2008 R2 where you certainly can run other services On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.com wrote: If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. ** ** ** ** *From:* Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper-V Design Questions ** ** Hi All, ** ** I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. ** ** Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! ** ** *Michael Walker* *Senior Network Engineer* Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 *Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882* *mwal...@mail.cvhp.org* mwal...@mail.cvhp.org ** ** *Hardware Software: * Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc)*** * 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition ** ** *Physical Virtual Servers:* Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space ** ** *Usage:* There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. ** ** *Storage Configuration: * 10 x 300GB Drives** 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition – 300 GB Host OS – 60 GB 3 VMs – 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition – 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition – 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) ** ** *QUESTIONS: * With the above minimum requirements in mind - **1. **Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. **2. **Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Hyper-V Design Questions
We are talking about LICENSING... Not what you can do, but what you are supposed to do. Big difference. BF From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hyper-V Design Questions Wrong! Sorry I have a Hyper-V host in my test lab with WSUS on it. I know of more than one person on the list that has a DC running on their Hyper-V host (not a config I personally would want but that is neither here nor there). I have done what the OP is wanting without VM 4 but my VM 4 was System Center Essential, and I did have a DC as a VM on the same host. I would suggest you make some changes to your setup though. You did not mention a number of NIC's on the box or how much RAM or for that matter the number of sockets/processors. I personally am in favor of dedicating one NIC per VM and one for the Host. I would suggest you might want to have more than one NIC on the Remote Desktop VM though but I have never done one of those. RAID 1 System drive maybe 120GM and nothing else on that RAID 1. Keep the system the system put your VM's on another drive. RAID 1 or RAID 5 (depends on how much traffic) for all the VM's. I would stay away from huge drives as I have noticed at $dayjob$ we seem to be getting more than I would expect of the big SAS or SCSI drives failing. Other wise I kind of like your lay out. I have never been a fan of putting File and Print on a DC. Jon On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Justin Thomas jat...@gmail.commailto:jat...@gmail.com wrote: If you are thinking MS Hyper-V server, it won't run anything else. The quote is for Windows Server 2008 R2 where you certainly can run other services On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com wrote: If I recall correctly, the MS Licensing does not allow you to have any services but HyperV on the host. From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882tel:%2%29%20299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.orgmailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 - AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition - 300 GB Host OS - 60 GB 3 VMs - 240 GB 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive VM 1 Partition - 60 GB File Data Partitioin - 200 GB SQL Logs Partition - 40 GB 5 x 300GB (RAID5) - 1 1200 GB Virtual Drive SQL Data Partition - 1200 GB 1 x 300GB (Hot Spare) QUESTIONS: With the above minimum requirements in mind - 1. Would you keep VM1 for AD, File Print or would you eliminate it and run AD, File and Print on the Physical Host allowing me to use my 4th license for an additional Remote Desktop Server. 2. Do you agree with the Storage Configuration Design or would you change it? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
RE: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions
Thank you Art for your input! The answers to your questions are below. Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org From: Art DeKneef [mailto:art.dekn...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: [SPAM] RE: Hyper-V Design Questions Just some general questions and observations. 1. The Hyper-V host server can legally only run the Hyper-V role. So no you can’t move AD and File Print Services to the host. Ok. 2. Are the virtual servers all new servers or replacing existing servers? All are new. 3. Do you have other AD servers in the network? Generally it is best to have a physical server running AD with additional virtual AD server being OK. There is one existing 2008 R2 64-Bit Server running AD, File Print and Remote Desktop Services. Two of the new VMs would add redundancy. 4. How many NICs are you planning for the server? I have 6 NICs - My plan was to use 1 for the host and just 1 for all the VMs or would it be better to give each VM it's own NIC? 5. If these are existing servers, what kind of utilization do they have currently? Utilization is light. There are only 8 users currently, will grow to 15 with the new server and SQL App. Most all will be connecting via RDP. 6. Your first RAID 1 configuration (300GB) doesn’t make sense. You show 300 for system, 60 for host OS and 240 for 3 VMs. (3 x 80) That adds to 600 by my math. So to answer your second question, No I don’t agree with your storage configuration. J Or are you just saying that this is the system partition and it will be used as 60 and 240. I meant 300 total for the RAID Set to be divied up between the OS (60) and the VMs (240). The problem though is 240 GB is not sufficient for all the VMs. I am thinking of changing the storage config to two RAID 5 Arrays - 3x300 + 6x300 + 1 Global Hot Spare. The first RAID Array would be for the OS VMs. The second array would be for the File Data SQL Data. I spoke with the software vendor who will be supporting the SQL Database and they wanted the SQL log files to be located on the same partition as the SQL Data… They said for this small site, performance wasn't an issue and they were concerned about recoverability. 7. Is the SQL data partition configured for growth? Meaning what is the initial use of that 1.2 TB and how long before it gets full. The SQL Data Partition is configured for growth. I do not know the actual size but I am guessing 1.2 TB should last at least 3-5 years. I have 6 open drive bays for expansion if necessary. I’m sure others will have other questions. Art From: Walker, Michael [mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper-V Design Questions Hi All, I have very limited experience with Hyper-V and am about to do my first install. Below is a descirption of my requirements and a proposed configuration. My two questions are at the very bottom of the email in Red. Any feedback or assistance is greatly appreciated!!! Michael Walker Senior Network Engineer Citrus Valley Health Partners 140 W. College Street, Covina, CA 91723 Phone/Fax/Pager: (888) 299-6882 mwal...@mail.cvhp.org mailto:mwal...@mail.cvhp.org Hardware Software: Dell PowerEdge T710 Dual Intel XEON X5650, 2.66Ghz, 12M Cache, Turbo HT (6 Cores per proc) 48GB RAM (12x4GB), 1333MHz Dual Ranked LV RDIMMs PERC H700 RAID Controller, 1 GB NV Cache (10) 300 GB 10K RPM SAS Drives 6GBps Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Microsoft SQL 2008 Standard Acronis Backup Recovery Virtual Edition Physical Virtual Servers: Physical Host Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM Virtual Machine 1 – AD, File Print Server Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 60 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 2 - SQL Server - MS SQL 2008 R2 Standard Minimum Requirements: 2 CPU, 24 GB RAM, 1200 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 3 - App Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 4 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Virtual Machine 4 - Remote Desktop Server - MS Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Minimum Requirements: 1 CPU, 8 GB RAM, 80 GB HD Space Usage: There will be 15 users using RDP to access their EMR Application called MD Office. Each TS Session requires between 50 200 MB. Of the 15 Users there may be 5 using MS Office. Storage Configuration: 10 x 300GB Drives 2 x 300GB (RAID1) - 1 300 GB Virtual Drive System Partition – 300 GB Host OS – 60 GB
