RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position
I don't think there are many Aussies on this list. You may like to go through the huge number of comments on www.whirlpool.net.auhttp://www.whirlpool.net.au if you haven't already. My 2c worth:- * We run internal web filtering. If it blocks something it shouldn't we can fix it. If the filtering is at the ISP or higher level how will issues like this be resolved? What will the timeframe be? * If it effects performance it isn't welcome. * The days of anonymity on the internet are numbered for everyone if you ask me. Including outside of Aus. Many technical types think they will be able to use encryption or anonymous proxies etc but I believe all of those will be eventually be futile. We can get away with it for now as ISP's generally leave things alone. But as soon as the ISP's have to meet government regulations that enforce inspection of all traffic (ssl etc included, which is possible) then we can forget the freedom we have. We don't own the pipes so we won't have control. * The proposed filter is like most other government control mechanisms. You MUST have this because it is good for you. See, look, it will stop kiddie porn etc etc. When the real reasons are:- o Large corporations have had enough of losing money to pirating. o Governments don't like not knowing what people are up to and this internet thing has been running around unleashed for too long. James. From: Ryan Halloway [mailto:ryan.hallo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 10:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Australian Internet Filtering Position List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. I tried to email this around before, but I didn't get enough of a response. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position
Surely an additional reason is a certain independent senator holding the balance of power in the Senate. Cheers Ken From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au] Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 10:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position I don't think there are many Aussies on this list. You may like to go through the huge number of comments on www.whirlpool.net.auhttp://www.whirlpool.net.au if you haven't already. My 2c worth:- * We run internal web filtering. If it blocks something it shouldn't we can fix it. If the filtering is at the ISP or higher level how will issues like this be resolved? What will the timeframe be? * If it effects performance it isn't welcome. * The days of anonymity on the internet are numbered for everyone if you ask me. Including outside of Aus. Many technical types think they will be able to use encryption or anonymous proxies etc but I believe all of those will be eventually be futile. We can get away with it for now as ISP's generally leave things alone. But as soon as the ISP's have to meet government regulations that enforce inspection of all traffic (ssl etc included, which is possible) then we can forget the freedom we have. We don't own the pipes so we won't have control. * The proposed filter is like most other government control mechanisms. You MUST have this because it is good for you. See, look, it will stop kiddie porn etc etc. When the real reasons are:- o Large corporations have had enough of losing money to pirating. o Governments don't like not knowing what people are up to and this internet thing has been running around unleashed for too long. James. From: Ryan Halloway [mailto:ryan.hallo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 2 August 2010 10:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Australian Internet Filtering Position List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. I tried to email this around before, but I didn't get enough of a response. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position
Looks like it has been delayed for at least another year: http://www.neowin.net/news/mandatory-australian-content-filter-delayed Webster From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] Subject: RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position This is why I highly recommend hidemyass.com For a small monthly fee, you can do pretty much whatever the hell you want. For example, friends of mine in the UK use it to watch US TV shows on Hulu (which blocks overseas IPs). Technology will always beat idiocy like this... Alex From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position For too many reasons to mention in this post, the government (any government) is hardly the best entity for actively filtering the Internet for any subset of people outside of employees. If, for some reason which defies explanation, the government MUST be involved, then the system in question must be optional, and there can be no penalty for circumvention, or record of usage/non-usage. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: my personal opinion is that it is unjust censorship, even if initially implemented as a security for the masses type reason. Ask the Chinese how they feel about their internet access being filtered/controlled . On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.com wrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com/ http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position
I hate to say it but I doubt anything you say will be listened to. If the Australian government is anything like the one here in the US they only listen to themselves and to whom ever has the most money waiting to drop into their hands. They will talk a lot of helping or protecting but do nothing to do either, unless you count helping themselves to a bigger piece of someone elses pie. Good luck, Jon On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.comwrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, Ryan. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position
You could suggest that what they are doing is the same thing China does. They are just filtering it differently. Jon On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:28 AM, Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to say it but I doubt anything you say will be listened to. If the Australian government is anything like the one here in the US they only listen to themselves and to whom ever has the most money waiting to drop into their hands. They will talk a lot of helping or protecting but do nothing to do either, unless you count helping themselves to a bigger piece of someone elses pie. Good luck, Jon On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.comwrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, Ryan. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position
my personal opinion is that it is unjust censorship, even if initially implemented as a security for the masses type reason. Ask the Chinese how they feel about their internet access being filtered/controlled . On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.comwrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, Ryan. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position
For too many reasons to mention in this post, the government (any government) is hardly the best entity for actively filtering the Internet for any subset of people outside of employees. If, for some reason which defies explanation, the government MUST be involved, then the system in question must be optional, and there can be no penalty for circumvention, or record of usage/non-usage. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: my personal opinion is that it is unjust censorship, even if initially implemented as a security for the masses type reason. Ask the Chinese how they feel about their internet access being filtered/controlled . On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.comwrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.com and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, Ryan. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Australian Internet Filtering Position
This is why I highly recommend hidemyass.com For a small monthly fee, you can do pretty much whatever the hell you want. For example, friends of mine in the UK use it to watch US TV shows on Hulu (which blocks overseas IPs). Technology will always beat idiocy like this... Alex From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 8:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Australian Internet Filtering Position For too many reasons to mention in this post, the government (any government) is hardly the best entity for actively filtering the Internet for any subset of people outside of employees. If, for some reason which defies explanation, the government MUST be involved, then the system in question must be optional, and there can be no penalty for circumvention, or record of usage/non-usage. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com wrote: my personal opinion is that it is unjust censorship, even if initially implemented as a security for the masses type reason. Ask the Chinese how they feel about their internet access being filtered/controlled . On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Ryan Halloway ryan.hallo...@gmail.commailto:ryan.hallo...@gmail.com wrote: List, With sites like this appearing everywhere: http://www.dontfilterme.comhttp://www.dontfilterme.com/ and http://nocleanfeed.com/ Just trying to get a general opinion with what everyone thinks of the filtering situation in Australia. Whether you believe its a good thing or a bad thing or you don't really care. I'm writing a letter to an Australian MP (Member of Parliament) and I want to get some actual opinions of what other systems administrators think of the internet filter, even if they are not in Australia. Not only at a technical aspect but at an opinion aspect as well. Either reply on list or pm me. I just want to get a general idea. Thanks, Ryan. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
