RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Thanks to everyone that responded Ok so basically the disks are pre activated on these particular dell models The think that scared me was no coa anywhere, and if we were audited (again) we wouldn't have any proof. (apart from the invoices) that we purchased the software legally Thanks Nigel -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2013 18:32 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I don't know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I've been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). XP is not Win 8. From my investigations: XP's OEM pre-activation involved a few files on the OEM CD (OEMBIOS.*). Typically all CDs from a given OEM were identical (or maybe within a major product line), all containing the same OEM SLP PK (which did *not* match the COA PK for any given unit). There was nothing unit-specific in the BIOS that was checked. The XP activation routines just checked to make sure the OEM hardware generically matched the OEM software. If it did, the system was considered pre-activated; the user did not need to enter a PK. If that failed, there was still a PK printed on the COA which the user could enter. Win 8 is completely different. There is no COA. There is no PK provided to the customer. The unit-specific activation data is installed in the ACPI BIOS. Specifically, two tables are mentioned SLIC (software license) and MSDM (Microsoft Data Management). The OEM loads the data during manufacturing. The Win 8 activation routines verify the integrity of the BIOS info vs the rest of the hardware signature, and against the overmind at Microsoft, to activate. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh673514.aspx OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer (MSFT uses this to mean PC vendor) SLP = System Locked Pre-Activation PK = Product Key COA = Certificate of Authenticity -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
There should be a Microsoft key on a sticker if OEM was ordered with it. John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 -Original Message- From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:02 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Dell windows 8 COA
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Hi No no paperwork has a coa with it Thanks -Original Message- From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: 04 February 2013 13:02 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA How about on any of the paperwork/booklets that came with the system(s)? Note: I haven't worked with Dell hardware for quite some time... Regards, Don Guyer Catholic Health East - Information Technology Enterprise Directory Messaging Services 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa 19073 email: dgu...@che.org Office: 610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440 For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the helpdesk @ 610-492-3839. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 7:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Catholic Health East and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message, and reply to the sender regarding the error in a separate email. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Hi I think this may be the case --- A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. -- Thanks I just thought it was strange not to see a COA on the machine and didn't want to get Burnt if we have any sort of audit Regards Nigel -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 February 2013 13:58 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
My wife's new Toshiba Win8 laptop has no COA sticker. Thanks Webster -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Subject: Dell windows 8 COA Hi Just purchased a few Dell desktop machine with windows 8 And a server (dell ) with 2008 server standard Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom Looking at other manufacturers they seem to have a standard COA sticker The server also has no COA on the machine anywhere Can anyone enlighten me The machines do have windows 8 and server operating systems on them ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
I don't know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I've been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). Dave From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
Each generation of Windows has used a more sophisticated way of seamlessly installing on a branded machine. The setup process has always stopped at the key setup part and queried the machine before moving on. With XP it looked at the pre-installed key and then checked the BIOS had a tag in it to approve it. This was not very sophisticated and HP media would work on Dell and vice versa. With Vista/7 there was a certificate pre-installed which had to match the BIOS or else you would need to use the key on the sticker. With 7 the installer would only allow certain installs based on the key - i.e. by little netbook would not allow W7 Enterprise to install on it. This was more sophisticated and meant that keys wiping of the stickers was not a big deal. Now on 8 and with the standardisation of the media (i.e. almost the same ISO for retail, download or upgrade) pulling the key from the BIOS is just another step in streamlining the process. The only time you should need a key is if you are reinstalling with a different version - i.e. enterprise - other than that it's a case of 'adding features' but just entering the key. I have a laptop which I seem to have really messed up by installing W8 Pro on top of W8 - it's just not right, it installed and then flipped back to standard. When I entered the key it upgraded again and properly, but it still isn't right and might need a rebuild to sort it. Also the new OEM versions - now called Windows 8 System Builder - you have no support from Microsoft anymore and cannot use it to upgrade. The Microsoft site still has very little info on 8 and COA's compared to windows 7 as they are still talking about physical media, physical COA and the software license. Mike From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 04 February 2013 15:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA I don't know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I've been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). Dave From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
It might not be a common choice, but if you want to upgrade a netbook/ultrabook to Pro and then add it to your corporate fleet then you can put Enterprise on it. With 7 this would sometimes fail at the BIOS check stage. Mike From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: 04 February 2013 16:57 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell windows 8 COA
It's not an enterprise disc. It's the pro discs for work-at-home rights. My point is there's never a prompt to use the key that comes with the disc. It just uses the one built into the bios and licenses the OS accordingly. It was basically a response to Ben's question about a clean install. The long and short of it is that it can be used to do a clean install. From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA This might be due to the fact that Windows 8 Enterprise is not a valid upgrade from Home edition. Tim From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 8:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Dell windows 8 COA The windows 8 PRO discs we get from MS as part of our enterprise agreement come with their own product key. I've used one to do a clean install on a dell ultrabook that came with windows 8 HOME. It automatically used the key embedded in bios and installed as home, not pro. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ben Scott Sent: 2/4/2013 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell windows 8 COA On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Nigel Parker nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.ukmailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk wrote: Although the desktops have a bronze sticker on the back with the windows flag and the words windows 8 I cant find a COA sticker with a key anywhere on the machine inside, outside , top bottom A unique, unit-specific code is embedded in the firmware (ACPI BIOS). You don't get a Certificate of Authenticity or Product Ley. Microsoft is encouraging their large OEMs (like Dell) to do this. Toshiba laptop I just bought is the same way. Keywords: OA 3.0 SLP, OA = OEM Activation, SLP = System Locked Pre-Installation I've seen claims that if the motherboard is replaced, the OEM is supposed to provide a printed card with a new Product Key, to allow the existing install to continue to be used. Haven't confirmed that with a reliable source yet. I don't know what happens if you try to use a generic OEM disc to do a clean install (i.e., without vendor shovelware) in such cases. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Dell windows 8 COA
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: I don’t know that the key is embedded in the BIOS so much that the OS install looks for some specific BIOS properties, I’ve been able to re-install via CD across various Dell models (I can install XPSP3 on a machine that came with XPSP2, for example). XP is not Win 8. From my investigations: XP's OEM pre-activation involved a few files on the OEM CD (OEMBIOS.*). Typically all CDs from a given OEM were identical (or maybe within a major product line), all containing the same OEM SLP PK (which did *not* match the COA PK for any given unit). There was nothing unit-specific in the BIOS that was checked. The XP activation routines just checked to make sure the OEM hardware generically matched the OEM software. If it did, the system was considered pre-activated; the user did not need to enter a PK. If that failed, there was still a PK printed on the COA which the user could enter. Win 8 is completely different. There is no COA. There is no PK provided to the customer. The unit-specific activation data is installed in the ACPI BIOS. Specifically, two tables are mentioned SLIC (software license) and MSDM (Microsoft Data Management). The OEM loads the data during manufacturing. The Win 8 activation routines verify the integrity of the BIOS info vs the rest of the hardware signature, and against the overmind at Microsoft, to activate. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh673514.aspx OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer (MSFT uses this to mean PC vendor) SLP = System Locked Pre-Activation PK = Product Key COA = Certificate of Authenticity -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
