Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
Hello, my name is Steve and I'd like to publicly declare my intent to commit an act of software piracy. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: We lost our setup disks. HELP! Can anyone help? This is out of maintenance and the setups are no longer available. We are rolling out new machines, and need it! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
**cooking up some popcorn** Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk Hello, my name is Steve and I'd like to publicly declare my intent to commit an act of software piracy. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: We lost our setup disks. HELP! Can anyone help? This is out of maintenance and the setups are no longer available. We are rolling out new machines, and need it! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. They are most definitely licensed, even though they are obsolete and no longer available for purchase or supported by the developers. We have our own license keys. From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk Hello, my name is Steve and I'd like to publicly declare my intent to commit an act of software piracy. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: We lost our setup disks. HELP! Can anyone help? This is out of maintenance and the setups are no longer available. We are rolling out new machines, and need it! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
Do you have it already installed on a system? I'd try Pick My App and see if you can copy and move the program from the existing computer to the new system. My $.02. On Oct 29, 2010 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. They are most definitely licensed, even though they are obsolete and no longer available for purchase or supported by the developers. We have our own license keys. From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:29 AM To:... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
We have it on XP systems, but the new systems are windows 7, so probably would not migrate, therefore the installs would be probably be needed. That is why we are looking for an install disk. Still, it is worth a try. Thanks for the response! From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk Do you have it already installed on a system? I'd try Pick My App and see if you can copy and move the program from the existing computer to the new system. My $.02. On Oct 29, 2010 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. They are most definitely licensed, even though they are obsolete and no longer available for purchase or supported by the developers. We have our own license keys. From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:29 AM To:... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
You may see no copyright infringement, but the law would generally disagree with you. It's possible you have the one installation license out there that isn't written the way Ben suggests, but I'd doubt it. Especially if it's old enough that the developer is no longer around. That's just the way those licenses were written, in general, at that time - and you can disagree with them all you want, it doesn't change them. There are very good odds that what you're asking, publicly, is technically illegal. Can you do it? Have IT Admins been doing it for years? Yup. Does asking about it on a public mailing list make sense? Not so much. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
Well, I think that EASUS has some software that will allow you to migrate an application from XP to 7. Might want to check that out. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: We have it on XP systems, but the new systems are windows 7, so probably would not migrate, therefore the installs would be probably be needed. That is why we are looking for an install disk. Still, it is worth a try. Thanks for the response! *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 10:40 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk Do you have it already installed on a system? I'd try Pick My App and see if you can copy and move the program from the existing computer to the new system. My $.02. On Oct 29, 2010 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. They are most definitely licensed, even though they are obsolete and no longer available for purchase or supported by the developers. We have our own license keys. From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:29 AM To:... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
What would be copyright infringement? We are not copying anything. I am asking for the use of a legitimate copy of a disk to do what that disk was sold to do, to make a licensed install of the product for which it was sold Not additional copies, no illegal copies. No unlicensed copies. They allow the setup disk to be copied to a network install location for the same purpose. What would be the difference if I copy it to that network location from my original downloaded file, disk, or another legitimate downloaded disk? From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk You may see no copyright infringement, but the law would generally disagree with you. It's possible you have the one installation license out there that isn't written the way Ben suggests, but I'd doubt it. Especially if it's old enough that the developer is no longer around. That's just the way those licenses were written, in general, at that time - and you can disagree with them all you want, it doesn't change them. There are very good odds that what you're asking, publicly, is technically illegal. Can you do it? Have IT Admins been doing it for years? Yup. Does asking about it on a public mailing list make sense? Not so much. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
Don't read too much into it. If you migrate the application from one computer to another, you just need to remove the program from the old system. Now, in your case, I would just migrate it. The XP systems will go away, eventually. Why can't you setup a Virtual Desktop, load XP in it and then do the migration from Pick Me App? That way, you can still run it on the Windows 7 system, at least till you can find a way to install it directly in Windows 7. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: What would be copyright infringement? We are not copying anything. I am asking for the use of a legitimate copy of a disk to do what that disk was sold to do, to make a licensed install of the product for which it was sold Not additional copies, no illegal copies. No unlicensed copies. They allow the setup disk to be copied to a network install location for the same purpose. What would be the difference if I copy it to that network location from my original downloaded file, disk, or another legitimate downloaded disk? *From:* Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk You may see no copyright infringement, but the law would generally disagree with you. It's possible you have the one installation license out there that isn't written the way Ben suggests, but I'd doubt it. Especially if it's old enough that the developer is no longer around. That's just the way those licenses were written, in general, at that time - and you can disagree with them all you want, it doesn't change them. There are very good odds that what you're asking, publicly, is technically illegal. Can you do it? Have IT Admins been doing it for years? Yup. Does asking about it on a public mailing list make sense? Not so much. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
I'm by no means a license expert, but isn't a license tied to USE of the software, not the physical media? Maybe depends on the company? Many software vendors just put the executables right on their website for download. Heck many even put it on third party shareware websites that we all hate. You just need a license to USE it. So, is there a real difference than downloading the software from the Internet as opposed to downloading from another place on the Internet? Being rhetorical, not suggesting it is actually legal. I'm no lawyer. From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:kels...@sctax.org] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk What would be copyright infringement? We are not copying anything. I am asking for the use of a legitimate copy of a disk to do what that disk was sold to do, to make a licensed install of the product for which it was sold Not additional copies, no illegal copies. No unlicensed copies. They allow the setup disk to be copied to a network install location for the same purpose. What would be the difference if I copy it to that network location from my original downloaded file, disk, or another legitimate downloaded disk? From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk You may see no copyright infringement, but the law would generally disagree with you. It's possible you have the one installation license out there that isn't written the way Ben suggests, but I'd doubt it. Especially if it's old enough that the developer is no longer around. That's just the way those licenses were written, in general, at that time - and you can disagree with them all you want, it doesn't change them. There are very good odds that what you're asking, publicly, is technically illegal. Can you do it? Have IT Admins been doing it for years? Yup. Does asking about it on a public mailing list make sense? Not so much. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
+1. I think the main thing is that everyone is speculating on what the license agreement actually says. Unless someone knows what the license agreement actually says, nobody here can say whether what the OP was requesting was legal or not. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk I'm by no means a license expert, but isn't a license tied to USE of the software, not the physical media? Maybe depends on the company? Many software vendors just put the executables right on their website for download. Heck many even put it on third party shareware websites that we all hate. You just need a license to USE it. So, is there a real difference than downloading the software from the Internet as opposed to downloading from another place on the Internet? Being rhetorical, not suggesting it is actually legal. I'm no lawyer. From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:kels...@sctax.org] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk What would be copyright infringement? We are not copying anything. I am asking for the use of a legitimate copy of a disk to do what that disk was sold to do, to make a licensed install of the product for which it was sold Not additional copies, no illegal copies. No unlicensed copies. They allow the setup disk to be copied to a network install location for the same purpose. What would be the difference if I copy it to that network location from my original downloaded file, disk, or another legitimate downloaded disk? From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk You may see no copyright infringement, but the law would generally disagree with you. It's possible you have the one installation license out there that isn't written the way Ben suggests, but I'd doubt it. Especially if it's old enough that the developer is no longer around. That's just the way those licenses were written, in general, at that time - and you can disagree with them all you want, it doesn't change them. There are very good odds that what you're asking, publicly, is technically illegal. Can you do it? Have IT Admins been doing it for years? Yup. Does asking about it on a public mailing list make sense? Not so much. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: That is all we want to do. Install it. The developer cannot provide installation media. I licensed an install. Actually, several dozen installs. I would like to do that. I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. Now, if the license was attached to that particular disk, perhaps you would have a point, but it is not. It is separate from the install media. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: It would only be piracy if they were not licensed. software piracy has no legal definition. What you suggest would still be considered copyright infringement. When you buy a copy of software, you have the right to that one copy -- that one disc. You do not have right to make additional copies unless license is granted. The license typically grants you permission to install it, and maybe make a backup. In the world of traditional payware, you're practically never granted permission to distribute additional copies, even to someone else who had a separate license. I doubt anyone would sue you over it, of course. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Gary K. Slinger Voice: 727-475-1947 // gChat gary.slin...@gmail.com // Skype: garyslinger Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/garyslinger ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
On 29 Oct 2010 at 9:30, Steve Kelsay wrote: We lost our setup disks. HELP! Can anyone help? This is out of maintenance and the setups are no longer available. We are rolling out new machines, and need it! [G,D,RLH] Good luck with that Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Google Search FREE SOFTWARE Listing -(f). DOWNLOAD NOW! Flow Chart PDQ 1.1x Floppy Image v2.3.1 ... Floppy Image v 2.3 Floppy Image 2.1 FlopImager v2.1 ... Flow Chart PDQ v1.1x Floppy Image v2.30 ... www.beyondstats.com/software/free.../F/.../2400.htm - Cached - Similar - Filter http://www.google.com/search?num=30hl=ensafe=offclient=firefox-ahs=poYrls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficialq=Flowchart+PDQ+version+1.1aq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai= -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. One thing everyone should understand: What you or I think *should* be the way things work doesn't matter. I'm describing the law -- the reality of the situation. Copyright law doesn't care that you had a license for your copy. If you and I both buy a copy of the same book, and you loose your copy, I don't have the right to make a copy for you. The same applies to software or anything else protected under copyright law. If the license I have specifically grants me the right to make copies for other people who also have a license to use the software, that would be okay, but I've never heard of such a thing for payware, and I would be quite astonished to learn of it. Making copies for others is usually explicitly forbidden, in very strong language. There is a copyright concept called fair use. For example, making a backup copy for yourself is considered fair use. Ripping a CD to MP3 for use on your own MP3 player is considered fair use. I suppose you could argue me making a copy for you is fair use, but I'd be surprised if a court accepted that, especially in the current legal climate. That said, I'm haven't done a case law search. If people here don't like this, I suggest you write your congressional representatives and ask them to consider the rights of consumers as well as copyright holders. I wouldn't hold out much hope for that, though; the copyright cartels (RIAA, BSA, etc.) practically own congress. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I expect I have studied copyright law more than most laymen. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Sam Cayze sam.ca...@rollouts.com wrote: I’m by no means a license expert, but isn’t a license tied to USE of the software, not the physical media? License agreements typically attempt to cover all sorts of things. One of the things licenses cover is copyright permissions. If they didn't, installing software from CD to your hard disk would potentially be considered copyright infringement (although fair use would probabbly cover it anyway). This part of the license is backed up by force of copyright law. The copyright holder can file a civil suit against you if you infringe. Licenses may also attempt to cover use. This is not part of copyright law. My understanding of this aspect is much more limited. As I understand it, software publishers generally argue the license agreement is a contract, and thus you agree to follow their terms of use, or subject yourself to whatever penalties the contract specifies. The enforceability of license agreements as a legally-binding contract is somewhat murky. You usually don't get to see the license until after you've paid, and you usually don't have to sign anything, and I'm told both of those are no-no's in the world of contract law. That said, I've not studied this stuff extensively, so the software publisher view may have more legal currency then I think. But any restrictions on use (enforceable or not) are independent of copyright law. The OP is asking for someone to make a copy, not about use. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
To use your metaphor, no one is asking you to make a copy of your book. I am asking if you will loan me your book for the original legitimate and legal purpose. You are all reading into the request things that were not asked, for purposes of the discussion. I was looking for an original installation disk. Not a copy. One that was sold for the purpose of installing one licensed copy on each machine for which a license was purchased. They provided one installation disk without limit to the number of copies to be installed, so long as each copy installed was covered by a license. That is what we wanted to do. They are not able to replace the lost or damaged disk since the version in use is no longer supported. So we are trying to do locate one online. No one is trying to make a copy of licensed software. Or install unpurchased copies. Never mind. It is not worth the continuing arguments this is generating. Thanks anyway. By the way, in the same vein, be sure not to use anything but the very install disks you got with your individual copy of your server software to do reinstall. That would also be copyright infringement according to all the people that have just said so. And no network installs. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: I see no copyright infringement if I use a legitimate original copy of a setup media to install a licensed copy of the software. One thing everyone should understand: What you or I think *should* be the way things work doesn't matter. I'm describing the law -- the reality of the situation. Copyright law doesn't care that you had a license for your copy. If you and I both buy a copy of the same book, and you loose your copy, I don't have the right to make a copy for you. The same applies to software or anything else protected under copyright law. If the license I have specifically grants me the right to make copies for other people who also have a license to use the software, that would be okay, but I've never heard of such a thing for payware, and I would be quite astonished to learn of it. Making copies for others is usually explicitly forbidden, in very strong language. There is a copyright concept called fair use. For example, making a backup copy for yourself is considered fair use. Ripping a CD to MP3 for use on your own MP3 player is considered fair use. I suppose you could argue me making a copy for you is fair use, but I'd be surprised if a court accepted that, especially in the current legal climate. That said, I'm haven't done a case law search. If people here don't like this, I suggest you write your congressional representatives and ask them to consider the rights of consumers as well as copyright holders. I wouldn't hold out much hope for that, though; the copyright cartels (RIAA, BSA, etc.) practically own congress. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I expect I have studied copyright law more than most laymen. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Flowchart PDQ version 1.1 - Need setup disk
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Steve Kelsay kels...@sctax.org wrote: I was looking for an original installation disk. Not a copy. My apologies; I assumed you wanted to find someone with a disc so they could make you a copy. I presumed that if someone had a copy, they would not want to transfer it to you, since they were presumably saving it for some reason. By the way, in the same vein, be sure not to use anything but the very install disks you got with your individual copy of your server software to do reinstall. That would also be copyright infringement according to all the people that have just said so. No, actually, it wouldn't. As I mentioned, most licenses do permit copies to be made by the purchaser, for internal use, for purposes of installation, staging, and/or backup. And even if they did not, the law specifically allows for such use. See US Code, Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117, Subsection (a). http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0117000-.html -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
