RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e
Title: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
It's
not like you can automatically tell someone's age. I don't doubt the
algorithms. Like I said, my biggest concern would be what they do with the
info.
I
would think once this gets passed, only an idiot wouldn't use some kind of
codes.
-Original Message-From: Phillips, Glen
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 18,
2001 7:57 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us
e
Could anyone over the age of 12 understand what kids are talking about?
:-)
Serioiusly though, a phrase like that would only raise a marker. It
would probably then then be double checked to see what the flow of
conversation was like. Given the huge number of conversations that they're
listening in to, there must be some fantastic algorithms to remove harmless
ones.
A
few months ago here in Europe, someone tried to flood Echelon by sending out
an email virus that consisted of 1.5 pages of nothing but suspect phrases and
words like "kill the president", hacker, cybercrime etc, etc. It was a
pathetic attempt to flood it but would never have worked due to the lack of
structure in the document.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 18 September
2001 15:30To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us
e
As much as I don't necessarily have a problem with this, the
real question will be what happens when someone makes an offhand,
attempt-at-humor comment that sets off whatever "filters" they're looking
for. Will my kid get put on a list because he's researching and
chatting with friends about JFK's assasination and the phrase "kill the
president" is in their conversation?
-Original Message- From:
Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE:
Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Here here!
-Original Message- From:
Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues Subject:
Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore
use
Write my Congressman about what? About implementing
laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor
infringement on my civil rights? What are they
doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already
do. While I don't like it that we have go to
these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our
National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had
something to hide I would not be likely to send it via
e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a
while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may
have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant
measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
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It is scary, innit? That is how the terrorists *really* win. Think about it. The government now wants to take away one of the ideas that this country was founded upon. K.Borndale [EMAIL PROTECTED] -home email - Original Message - From: Matt Moore To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e DITTO- Original Message -From: "Marr, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:19 AMSubject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e> It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civilrights.> Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution toget> it back.>> I agree that we need to do something but history shows that governmenttends> to get more restrictive not less.>> We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocksevery> 2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the> right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop toa> whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that> extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After allif> I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little> inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still finda> way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact.>> My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a> very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason.>> Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it)>> Chris>> -Original Message-> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM> To: NT System Admin Issues> Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore> use>>> Here here!>> -Original Message-> From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM> To: NT System Admin Issues> Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore> use>>> Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to> protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What> are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use> benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While> I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary> for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had> something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe,> just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people,> some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us.> It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures.> GOD BLESS AMERICA.>> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm>>> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm>> http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm>>http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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Well said Chris. Just something to think about... Let's say we go with a National ID Card. It's all set up with the latest tech, so the computer chip has my medical history, financial status, etc... When I go to the store, I have to swipe it to purchase something (even if I use cash). 6 Months later, in the name of security, the IRS starts tracking my income & expenses & automagically debits my taxes from my checking account. 6 months after that, the FBI starts traking my purchases because I might buy something like amonium nitrate This picture is purposefully built up and unrealistic, but in reality, how far from the realm of possiblity is it? I'm not fear mongering, just trying to provoke thought. Governments have taken things in the name of national security for a whole lot less. As Chris pointed out, once taken, it's almost impossible to get back. Inconvience is one thing, loss of liberity is another. When you see things like this look a few years down the line & figure out where it's going or could go & talk to your Representatives & Senators. Your vote does count only if you use it, your voice is only heard if you speak (to your reps) in letters or e-mail. Note that letters are more effective by the way. -Original Message- From: Marr, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civil rights. Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution to get it back. I agree that we need to do something but history shows that government tends to get more restrictive not less. We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocks every 2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop to a whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After all if I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still find a way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact. My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason. Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it) Chris -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e
>About implementing laws designed to >protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil >rights? >GOD BLESS AMERICA. Without civil rights, there is no America. The terrorists win. Ok, so they can monitor email and you have nothing to hide. What's the next "minor infringement"? Scott http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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DITTO - Original Message - From: "Marr, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e > It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civil rights. > Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution to get > it back. > > I agree that we need to do something but history shows that government tends > to get more restrictive not less. > > We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocks every > 2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the > right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop to a > whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that > extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After all if > I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little > inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still find a > way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact. > > My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a > very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason. > > Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it) > > Chris > > -Original Message- > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore > use > > > Here here! > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore > use > > > Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to > protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What > are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use > benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While > I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary > for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had > something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, > just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, > some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. > It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. > GOD BLESS AMERICA. > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e
Title: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Were there not some alleged cases where Echelon was used for commercial espionage by American companies? Could this not be used in a similar way? At the end of the day it comes down to how much you can trust your Government. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 18 September 2001 14:30To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e As much as I don't necessarily have a problem with this, the real question will be what happens when someone makes an offhand, attempt-at-humor comment that sets off whatever "filters" they're looking for. Will my kid get put on a list because he's researching and chatting with friends about JFK's assasination and the phrase "kill the president" is in their conversation? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Title: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Damn, Ray... you're busted... You're on the list now!!!(Crap... so am I!!! I included your message in mine!!!) Jim -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:30 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e As much as I don't necessarily have a problem with this, the real question will be what happens when someone makes an offhand, attempt-at-humor comment that sets off whatever "filters" they're looking for. Will my kid get put on a list because he's researching and chatting with friends about JFK's assasination and the phrase "kill the president" is in their conversation? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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Title: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Could anyone over the age of 12 understand what kids are talking about? :-) Serioiusly though, a phrase like that would only raise a marker. It would probably then then be double checked to see what the flow of conversation was like. Given the huge number of conversations that they're listening in to, there must be some fantastic algorithms to remove harmless ones. A few months ago here in Europe, someone tried to flood Echelon by sending out an email virus that consisted of 1.5 pages of nothing but suspect phrases and words like "kill the president", hacker, cybercrime etc, etc. It was a pathetic attempt to flood it but would never have worked due to the lack of structure in the document. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 15:30To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e As much as I don't necessarily have a problem with this, the real question will be what happens when someone makes an offhand, attempt-at-humor comment that sets off whatever "filters" they're looking for. Will my kid get put on a list because he's researching and chatting with friends about JFK's assasination and the phrase "kill the president" is in their conversation? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civil rights. Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution to get it back. I agree that we need to do something but history shows that government tends to get more restrictive not less. We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocks every 2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop to a whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After all if I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still find a way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact. My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason. Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it) Chris -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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Title: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use As much as I don't necessarily have a problem with this, the real question will be what happens when someone makes an offhand, attempt-at-humor comment that sets off whatever "filters" they're looking for. Will my kid get put on a list because he's researching and chatting with friends about JFK's assasination and the phrase "kill the president" is in their conversation? -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
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You wrote: "No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient?" I love the irony of someone called "Anon Emouse" complaining about people not putting their names to anything :) -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Tell them what you think about warrantless search and seizure, and about tacking it onto an appropriations bill, passing it out 30 min before debate/vote, and then passing it on a voice vote. No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient? I'll be the last to tell you what to say. If you aren't moved to write your congressperson, then don't. But this was pushed through without a lot of oversight or planning, and if it gets all the way through and is signed into law, then any prosecutor can authorize surveillance for 48 hours of ANYONE without a warrant. Doesn't sound good to me. > -Original Message- > From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:38 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, > Carnivore > use > > > And tell him what? > > -Original Message- > From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:22 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, > Carnivore use > > > Please read this article, and the attached text. > > Then write your congressman. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html > > Text of the Hatch-Feinstein "Combating Terrorism Act > of 2001": > http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html > > Muddled debate over the amendment: > http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html > > A. Nonny Mouse > Watch-Mouse > > > > __ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm > > > http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
