RE: Strange Time issue
A swap to new hardware resolved the issue. Thanks everyone. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be physically running fast on the guest. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: Pinky swear?? As my two year old came home for the first time last week and said to me when I promised him a snack... I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is changing that. Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues. 1.The clock physically running fast. Independent of time sync 2. Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm /resync /rediscover commands. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself. I promise. :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Well dang..If that doesn't beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.comhttp://time.windows.com/. Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos. Its just my week for random MS issues... Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my
Re: Strange Time issue
Was cpu scaling enabled on the old hardware by any chance? eg: AMD Cool 'n' Quiet or Intel SpeedStep Nearly every time I've had this happen it was the cpu scaling up and down and the guest not handling the cpu clock cycle changes properly. The time jumping is a symptom of this. Disableing the feature in the host BIOS should fix that. Another cause, I only saw this once, was the guest process jumping from core to core every few seconds and the guest, again, not handling it quite right. I ended up having to manually assign cpu cores in the config files for that box. :( Kevin On 8/10/2011 7:20 PM, Greg Sweers wrote: A swap to new hardware resolved the issue. Thanks everyone. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be physically running fast on the guest. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg Sweersgswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: Pinky swear?? As my two year old came home for the first time last week and said to me when I promised him a snack... I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is changing that. Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues. 1.The clock physically running fast. Independent of time sync 2. Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm /resync /rediscover commands. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself. I promise. :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Well dang..If that doesn't beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.comhttp://time.windows.com/. Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos. Its just my week for random MS issues... Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.comhttp://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, Johnjohn.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4
RE: Strange Time issue
Where are you syncing your ESX server to? Do your guests sync with it or are they keeping time themselves? John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Strange Time issue We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
Yeah, So where's the DC, on the esx server? What time keeping does the esx server have setup? Is tools installed on both, is time keeping using tools or ntp? There is a vmware kb article about how they recommend to setup time keeping for the guests. jlc From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Strange Time issue We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Strange Time issue
As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. ** ** Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. ** ** *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/*** *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
Tools are loaded, but we are not syncing with the Host. The DC is on another server, which is also running 2008 R2. Same setup. Not syncing with Host. The PDC is configured to sync with time.windows.com 0x1, per Microsoft time setup articles. All of our workstations and other servers have no issue with time sync. Never seen it before. We also have our Vmware time sync with time.windows.com as well. Had an issue way back when when guests were syncing with host regardless of settings so we just got in the habit. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the VMWARE host. Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 2 servers on one host that run fast. I am thinking its hardware, I can actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5. Never seen this happen before. Its not a sync issue it's the servers just running time fast and they get out of sync. We run some sleep software that is real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain. I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to the new box to rule out hardware. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
RE: Strange Time issue
Wow, that's just bizarre From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the VMWARE host. Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 2 servers on one host that run fast. I am thinking its hardware, I can actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5. Never seen this happen before. Its not a sync issue it's the servers just running time fast and they get out of sync. We run some sleep software that is real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain. I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to the new box to rule out hardware. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here
RE: Strange Time issue
All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached
RE: Strange Time issue
I'm in NO way an electricity person. If I understand correctly (and they are correct), this should not affect computers, but is be something to be aware of. I'm sure someone out there knows the why and why not and will quickly reply 8) http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/electric_grid_experiment_could.html From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Wow, that's just bizarre From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the VMWARE host. Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 2 servers on one host that run fast. I am thinking its hardware, I can actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5. Never seen this happen before. Its not a sync issue it's the servers just running time fast and they get out of sync. We run some sleep software that is real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain. I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to the new box to rule out hardware. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed
RE: Strange Time issue
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body
RE: Strange Time issue
We had this issue back in the ESX 3.5 days but it hasn't been an issue since our move to 4.1. We're only talking about 20 guests here. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses
RE: Strange Time issue
Adding a me too post on the versions mentioned. Also, I am wondering if it's a case of going over the Net for time versus a local clock. I want to recall we had similar issues but they went away when we added an NTP device to the networks. Memory is a bit scraggly in the morning.Coffee! Thanks, Mathew From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue We had this issue back in the ESX 3.5 days but it hasn't been an issue since our move to 4.1. We're only talking about 20 guests here. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider
Re: Strange Time issue
Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.comwrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. ** ** *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:** ** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Strange Time issue
I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and have them all sync to the DCs. The FSMO role holder is the only machine syncing to an external time source. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.comwrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. ** ** *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:* *** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Strange Time issue
Are we talking individual ESX hosts or several managed by a VCenter? John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure
RE: Strange Time issue
Single point of failure.. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and have them all sync to the DCs. The FSMO role holder is the only machine syncing to an external time source. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached
RE: Strange Time issue
The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Strange Time issue
Redundant time servers in house On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Single point of failure………. ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and have them all sync to the DCs. The FSMO role holder is the only machine syncing to an external time source. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ** ** *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:** ** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Strange Time issue
Well dang..If that doesn't beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com. Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos. Its just my week for random MS issues... Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog
Re: Strange Time issue
Both. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Are we talking individual ESX hosts or several managed by a VCenter? ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:** ** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: The definitive document. J ** ** http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:** ** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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I have two servers configured to seek multiple external time sources. Easy enough to manage, and we've had no time sync issues since. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Single point of failure………. ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and have them all sync to the DCs. The FSMO role holder is the only machine syncing to an external time source. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ** ** *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:** ** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Strange Time issue
How thoroughly have you disabled ESX managing the time for the guests? I ask because even though you can switch off time sync in VM tools etc., ESX will *still* resync the guest's time to the host on certain events like VMotion. It can be extremely frustrating to see a perfectly good PDC with multiple NTP peers go off the rails this way... apparently there are some flags that can be added manually to the guest's vmx file to prevent it. --Steve On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.comwrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. ** ** *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi ** ** *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:* *** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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+1, used that doc a couple months ago myself to correct a drift I was getting by letting Hyper-V supply the time to guests. Doing those sets fixed me right up! From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read
RE: Strange Time issue
So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself. I promise. :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Well dang..If that doesn't beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com. Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos. Its just my week for random MS issues... Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849tel:813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850tel:813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270tel:813-341-1270
RE: Strange Time issue
Pinky swear?? As my two year old came home for the first time last week and said to me when I promised him a snack... I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is changing that. Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues. 1.The clock physically running fast. Independent of time sync 2. Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm /resync /rediscover commands. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself. I promise. :) Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Well dang..If that doesn't beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com. Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos. Its just my week for random MS issues... Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers
Re: Strange Time issue
*Note *Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from which your computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must be unique. You must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will not take effect. This was my issue...had to append the 0x1 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: The definitive document. J ** ** http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote:* *** We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds in under a minute. *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/* *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: Strange Time issue
Thanks Steve, I ran this and my time sync source set correctly. No more going back to Local CMOS for the /query /source command. Now to just figure out why this darn clock is running to its own drumbeat... Since none of my other devices are doing this and its only these 2 virtuals on this one host. I am going to move it to a different hardware. Needs to be swapped anyway. If that doesn't do it, I will start offering up the incentives. :) This is what I ran. w32tm /config /update /manualpeerlist:pool.ntp.org,0x1 /syncfromflags:MANUAL /reliable:YES w32tm /config /update net stop w32time net start w32time w32tm /resync /rediscover Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Note Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from which your computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must be unique. You must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will not take effect. This was my issue...had to append the 0x1 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com wrote: Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: The definitive document. :) http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.commailto:john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.orghttp://north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610tel:%28352%29%20244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944tel:%28352%29%20215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. ASB http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.commailto:gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console
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I have a script to manage that whole process... http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/?File=SetTimeSync.BAT It relies on the following as well: - http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/?File=SetDrive.BAT - *http://KB.UltraTech-llc.com/Scripts/Input/?File=CustomVariables.TXT http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/Input/?File=CustomVariables.TXT* * * *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: *Note *Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from which your computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must be unique. You must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will not take effect. This was my issue...had to append the 0x1 On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote: Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote: The definitive document. J ** ** http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get their time from the hosts. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote: We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 server. The 2008 R2 server runs faster. Watching the clock it actually tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console. Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick. Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but nothing Microsoft or VMware. Anyone seen this before? The 2003 Server runs normally. I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
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Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be physically running fast on the guest. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg Sweers gswe...@acts360.com wrote: Pinky swear?? As my two year old came home for the first time last week and said to me when I promised him a snack… ** ** I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is changing that. ** ** Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues. ** ** **1. ** The clock physically running fast. Independent of time sync **2. **Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm /resync /rediscover commands. ** ** ** ** ** ** *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/*** *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn’t happen by itself. ** ** I promise. J ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ ** ** *From:* Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** Well dang..If that doesn’t beat all. Everytime I run the resync command the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source. So I set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com. ** ** Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.* *** ** ** Its just my week for random MS issues… ** ** *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/*** *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue ** ** The definitive document. J ** ** http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx ** ** Regards, ** ** Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue ** ** Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests. *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* ** ** On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John john.sen...@etrade.com wrote: We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate. So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time. *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service. *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership For Strong Families* *5950 NW 1st Place* *Gainesville, Fl 32607* *Office (352) 244-1610* *Cell (352) 215-6944* *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4* *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to an external NTP server? *David Lum* Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi *John W. Cook* *System Administrator* *Partnership
