RE: http://aws.amazon.com/

2011-02-01 Thread Stu Sjouwerman 
+1

This is where we do all our new development, and will roll out the production 
infrastructure as well. See:

http://www.knowbe4.com/

Warm regards,

Stu 

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Kaiser [mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org] 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 3:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: http://aws.amazon.com/

I've done a bunch of work with the AWS stuff. While it is a good system and 
allows for some pretty cool fast provisioning, it's not without its pain 
points. When you combine it with the S3 storage and a backup app like 
Cloudberry, it can let you do a lot of cool things.
If you are working on web-type stuff that has to be tested from outside, it's 
invaluable. You can set it up, firewall it, and let your developers and anyone 
else pound on it with no risks to your inside network.
As with any new technology, there are gotchas and plenty things that need to be 
done correctly to avoid coffin corners down the road. Doing domain stuff can be 
a bit tricky due to time/Kerberos/reboot issues, but I've done it successfully.
If all your access is internal, and you already have a VM infrastructure, you 
probably won't gain much. It is neat to be able to spin up a high-performance 
server in seconds without worrying about hitting your underlying infrastructure 
too hard. But that comes with a $ price, too.

For me, the bottom line is that it is definitely worth a look to see if it 
solves a problem...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  


> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: http://aws.amazon.com/
> 
> My boss' boss floating it to use because a developer got their boss's ear.
My reply was
> "what business requirement does this meet?". We do already have a 
> VMWare
lab manager
> which I think does essentially this already.
> 
> 
> 
> Bottom line is I was directly asked to comment on it, but I have no 
> direct
link in the chain
> of this product getting used or not. I am however in good seats with
people that can
> influence this or not (else that doc wouldn't have made it to me at all).
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: http://aws.amazon.com/
> 
> 
> 
> What was the nature of the request?
> 
> 
> 
> AWS is great for giving access to developers who need to put things
together quickly (for
> prototypes, etc) which will need broad external access.  Allows you to
focus more on
> requests that are fleshed out and heading for production, or that 
> require
quick turn-
> up/tear-down times.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ASB (My Bio via About.Me <http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio> ) 
> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> 
> This just got put in my lap for comments and thoughts. Kneejerk says 
> "why
- we already
> have infrastructure here.". Although throwing our developers into this
gets them off
> "my" environment that, while appealing, isn't the right reason to 
> consider
such an action.
> 
> 
> 
> Thoughts/comments about the service?
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: http://aws.amazon.com/

2011-01-31 Thread Charlie Kaiser 
I've done a bunch of work with the AWS stuff. While it is a good system and
allows for some pretty cool fast provisioning, it's not without its pain
points. When you combine it with the S3 storage and a backup app like
Cloudberry, it can let you do a lot of cool things.
If you are working on web-type stuff that has to be tested from outside,
it's invaluable. You can set it up, firewall it, and let your developers and
anyone else pound on it with no risks to your inside network.
As with any new technology, there are gotchas and plenty things that need to
be done correctly to avoid coffin corners down the road. Doing domain stuff
can be a bit tricky due to time/Kerberos/reboot issues, but I've done it
successfully.
If all your access is internal, and you already have a VM infrastructure,
you probably won't gain much. It is neat to be able to spin up a
high-performance server in seconds without worrying about hitting your
underlying infrastructure too hard. But that comes with a $ price, too.

For me, the bottom line is that it is definitely worth a look to see if it
solves a problem...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  


> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:00 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: http://aws.amazon.com/
> 
> My boss' boss floating it to use because a developer got their boss's ear.
My reply was
> "what business requirement does this meet?". We do already have a VMWare
lab manager
> which I think does essentially this already.
> 
> 
> 
> Bottom line is I was directly asked to comment on it, but I have no direct
link in the chain
> of this product getting used or not. I am however in good seats with
people that can
> influence this or not (else that doc wouldn't have made it to me at all).
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: http://aws.amazon.com/
> 
> 
> 
> What was the nature of the request?
> 
> 
> 
> AWS is great for giving access to developers who need to put things
together quickly (for
> prototypes, etc) which will need broad external access.  Allows you to
focus more on
> requests that are fleshed out and heading for production, or that require
quick turn-
> up/tear-down times.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ASB (My Bio via About.Me <http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio> )
> Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> 
> This just got put in my lap for comments and thoughts. Kneejerk says "why
- we already
> have infrastructure here.". Although throwing our developers into this
gets them off
> "my" environment that, while appealing, isn't the right reason to consider
such an action.
> 
> 
> 
> Thoughts/comments about the service?
> 
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
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RE: http://aws.amazon.com/

2011-01-31 Thread David Lum 
My boss' boss floating it to use because a developer got their boss's ear. My 
reply was "what business requirement does this meet?". We do already have a 
VMWare lab manager which I think does essentially this already.

Bottom line is I was directly asked to comment on it, but I have no direct link 
in the chain of this product getting used or not. I am however in good seats 
with people that can influence this or not (else that doc wouldn't have made it 
to me at all).
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: http://aws.amazon.com/

What was the nature of the request?

AWS is great for giving access to developers who need to put things together 
quickly (for prototypes, etc) which will need broad external access.  Allows 
you to focus more on requests that are fleshed out and heading for production, 
or that require quick turn-up/tear-down times.




ASB (My Bio via About.Me<http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio>)
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...




On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
This just got put in my lap for comments and thoughts. Kneejerk says "why - we 
already have infrastructure here...". Although throwing our developers into 
this gets them off "my" environment that, while appealing, isn't the right 
reason to consider such an action...

Thoughts/comments about the service?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764




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Re: http://aws.amazon.com/

2011-01-31 Thread Andrew S. Baker 
What was the nature of the request?

AWS is great for giving access to developers who need to put things together
quickly (for prototypes, etc) which will need broad external access.  Allows
you to focus more on requests that are fleshed out and heading for
production, or that require quick turn-up/tear-down times.


 *ASB *(My Bio via About.Me )
 *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*

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On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:46 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> This just got put in my lap for comments and thoughts. Kneejerk says “why –
> we already have infrastructure here…”. Although throwing our developers into
> this gets them off “my” environment that, while appealing, isn’t the right
> reason to consider such an action…
>
>
>
> Thoughts/comments about the service?
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: http://aws.amazon.com/

2011-01-31 Thread Kurt Buff 
What's the business case for this, and what are the risks?

So far, I don't see enough of a business case vs. the risks.

What's worse is that I don't think that all of the risks have been
thought through or even discovered yet.

Give it about 5 or so years, and we might have a better idea of what
this entails.

Remember the old Texas aphorism: "You can tell the pioneers by the
arrows in their backs"

Kurt

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:46, David Lum  wrote:
> This just got put in my lap for comments and thoughts. Kneejerk says “why –
> we already have infrastructure here…”. Although throwing our developers into
> this gets them off “my” environment that, while appealing, isn’t the right
> reason to consider such an action…
>
>
>
> Thoughts/comments about the service?
>
> David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 503.548.5229 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
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> ~   ~
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