RE: Ammo request
Interesting … a while back I saw info showing EOL this year for IE 6, but now on the Microsoft site not only do they not show *any* EOL date or projected date for IE 6, IE 5 seems to be the same. At one point they had it listed along with Windows 2000 support details … mainstream for 5 years, extended support for 5 years, then EOL. I think IE 6 came around in 2001 so now that would indicated EOL in 2011 … but curiously the links on the MS site between IE 6 and the ‘notes’ that it directs to for more information seem to recurse to each other with no further info Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request It is difficult to side with those that want stop support when Microsoft is committed to supporting it until 2014. I can't say its insecure since its under general support even. Sure Google Sites isn't supporting it or Youtube, but those aren't really business sites... Its starting to like like my developers are going to be irritated. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+ends http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+endshl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hI WlBAstart=10sa=N hl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hIWlBAstart=10sa=N Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
Look here for their policy on IE6 support, which points you to their OS support policy: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-usx=14y=5p1=2073 Under Additional Products you come to the following: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeadditionalproducts There's no indication that IE6 is being supported independently of any OS that it was initially made available for, and all of those OSes are outside of mainstream support. That plus rampant insecurity is more than reason enough to move away from supporting it. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * Signature powered by WiseStamp http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: It is difficult to side with those that want stop support when Microsoft is committed to supporting it until 2014. I can't say its insecure since its under general support even. Sure Google Sites isn't supporting it or Youtube, but those aren't really business sites... Its starting to like like my developers are going to be irritated. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+endshl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hIWlBAstart=10sa=N Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
Look here for their policy on IE6 support, which points you to their OS support policy: http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?LN=en-usx=14y=5p1=2073 Under Additional Products you come to the following: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeadditionalproducts There's no indication that IE6 is being supported independently of any OS that it was initially made available for, and all of those OSes are outside of mainstream support. That plus rampant insecurity is more than reason enough to move away from supporting it. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * Signature powered by WiseStamp http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: It is difficult to side with those that want stop support when Microsoft is committed to supporting it until 2014. I can't say its insecure since its under general support even. Sure Google Sites isn't supporting it or Youtube, but those aren't really business sites... Its starting to like like my developers are going to be irritated. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+endshl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hIWlBAstart=10sa=N Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
Extended support is not the same as mainstream support. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * Signature powered by WiseStamp http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I think as part of Windows XP it lasts as long as XP. And since XP was given an extension it is in extended support into 2014. That means security patches for nearly 4 more years. I can't believe we're all paying for XP's popularity and stability. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Ammo request
How hard can it actually be for a website to support IE 6? Normally I am pretty quick to say 'we don't support it' but this one shouldn't be that difficult. I go with marketing on this one, 10 percent of your market share is too much to walk away from. I certainly agree with the EOL arguments and lack of security support and software support from MS, but that is an aurgument for the other side of the desktop and the people that support that. It really isn't the question you are facing. From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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As a web developer, I agree and disagree with this. On the one hand, it is a pain in the butt making sure everything works in IE6. It somewhat limits your creativity too because you just can't do some things. On the other hand, there are hacks for just about everything to make it work in IE6. Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. So the manager in me says, people have to do what they have to do for the company. Tell the developers to make it work. That's their job. The developer in me says, blech. Tell the readers to get with the times. I HATE IE6, but it keeps me busy at work! BTW, is this paid readership? On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Kennedy, Jim wrote: How hard can it actually be for a website to support IE 6? Normally I am pretty quick to say ‘we don’t support it’ but this one shouldn’t be that difficult. I go with marketing on this one, 10 percent of your market share is too much to walk away from. I certainly agree with the EOL arguments and lack of security support and software support from MS, but that is an aurgument for the other side of the desktop and the people that support that. It really isn’t the question you are facing. From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill Eric Brouwer IT Manager www.forestpost.com er...@forestpost.com 248.855.4333 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Ammo request
The below is a VERY good idea. From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
There's been a lot of good discussion in this thread and thanks to everyone who chimed in. I have to agree with those who say 10% is too much to irritate. And though they don't directly pay us through the website, the info and articles we put there are some of the side benefits to the things they do pay for. We are going to try to put out a campaign to get them to upgrade by detecting their browser version, but as long as our readership is above 4% IE6, leaving it to rot is off the table. My apologies to my developer. Thanks everyone, -Bill On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgwrote: The below is a VERY good idea. *From:* Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Ammo request Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
While IE6 might kinda sorta be supported, you might wish to see if you can verify what OS the browser is being hosted on. If IE6 is being run on Win2k or XP pre-SP3 then those OSes are no longer supported, and nor is their IE6, and you should give weight to the idea that their browsers need to be updated. It's a bit more ammo, one way or the other. Kurt On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 08:00, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a lot of good discussion in this thread and thanks to everyone who chimed in. I have to agree with those who say 10% is too much to irritate. And though they don't directly pay us through the website, the info and articles we put there are some of the side benefits to the things they do pay for. We are going to try to put out a campaign to get them to upgrade by detecting their browser version, but as long as our readership is above 4% IE6, leaving it to rot is off the table. My apologies to my developer. Thanks everyone, -Bill On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: The below is a VERY good idea. From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
End of support for IE6 is July 2015, which is the end of extended support for Server 2003 R2. On 7/21/2010 6:27 PM, Sean Martin wrote: Based on that information, it appears IE6 should receive extended support up until 4/18/2014. -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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And that is the right choice for you. And to the person who asked how hard to support IE6? - very. Very very very. It also has a limiting effect on what you can do to make your site better. Steven On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a lot of good discussion in this thread and thanks to everyone who chimed in. I have to agree with those who say 10% is too much to irritate. And though they don't directly pay us through the website, the info and articles we put there are some of the side benefits to the things they do pay for. We are going to try to put out a campaign to get them to upgrade by detecting their browser version, but as long as our readership is above 4% IE6, leaving it to rot is off the table. My apologies to my developer. Thanks everyone, -Bill On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: The below is a VERY good idea. From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Here's a bit of ammo for you: If IE6 is supported, why not Netscape 6.2? They were released about the same time... (sure, that's probably 0.01% or less of your user base, but at least it puts into prospective the relative browser technology of the time.) Also, just because 10% of your user base uses Internet Explorer 6.0, doesn't mean they are locked into using IE6. Unlike, say if 10% of your customers used diesel gasoline in their cars, it is not a major investment for them to move to a different browser (compared to buying a new gasoline car). I would argue that if a website I liked no longer supported IE6, I'd update my browser. And just because it's supported does not mean it's up to date. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:41:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Ammo request While IE6 might kinda sorta be supported, you might wish to see if you can verify what OS the browser is being hosted on. If IE6 is being run on Win2k or XP pre-SP3 then those OSes are no longer supported, and nor is their IE6, and you should give weight to the idea that their browsers need to be updated. It's a bit more ammo, one way or the other. Kurt On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 08:00, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a lot of good discussion in this thread and thanks to everyone who chimed in. I have to agree with those who say 10% is too much to irritate. And though they don't directly pay us through the website, the info and articles we put there are some of the side benefits to the things they do pay for. We are going to try to put out a campaign to get them to upgrade by detecting their browser version, but as long as our readership is above 4% IE6, leaving it to rot is off the table. My apologies to my developer. Thanks everyone, -Bill On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Kennedy, Jim kennedy...@elyriaschools.org wrote: The below is a VERY good idea. From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:er...@forestpost.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request Worst case scenario, have the site check for browser versions. If it sees IE6, serve up stripped down content that is formatted to work properly, yet still contains the information needed. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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And just because it's supported does not mean it's up to date. Let me make an example for this statement... Windows 7 still does support floppy drives. If your program was a greeting card program, and the average size of a greeting card saved to disk was 3 megs, would you support your users who wanted a version that fits on a 1.44MB floppy? Probably not if it compromised the quality of your product. The thing is, there are alternatives out there, and some applications have moved beyond the scope of older (yet supported) technology. There's nothing wrong with Floppy drives, and there's nothing wrong with IE6. (Well, one could argue there's things wrong with both Floppies and IE6... but I digress.) But when it limits your product, it's time to seriously consider moving on. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Google said they don't support IE6 any more: http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2010/01/modern-browsers-for-modern-applications.html That's good enough for me... On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 15:03, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+endshl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hIWlBAstart=10sa=N Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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How about because IE6 is END-OF-LIFE and no longer supported Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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It is difficult to side with those that want stop support when Microsoft is committed to supporting it until 2014. I can't say its insecure since its under general support even. Sure Google Sites isn't supporting it or Youtube, but those aren't really business sites... Its starting to like like my developers are going to be irritated. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/search?q=ie6+support+endshl=enei=bXBHTJjONoSInQf0hIWlBAstart=10sa=N Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I'm not finding anything to support this, but rather the opposite. Do you have a link I can reference? The MS site keeps directing me to IE8 pages. I did find a third party report that reports 2014. http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/08/18/microsoft-support-ie6-2014/ But I haven't found anything official from MS. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: How about because IE6 is END-OF-LIFE and no longer supported *Erik Goldoff*** *IT Consultant* *Systems, Networks, Security * ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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What does it cost to support IE6 vs how much revenue is generated by those 10%? Dave From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:27 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Ammo request I'm not finding anything to support this, but rather the opposite. Do you have a link I can reference? The MS site keeps directing me to IE8 pages. I did find a third party report that reports 2014. http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/08/18/microsoft-support-ie6-2014/ But I haven't found anything official from MS. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.commailto:egold...@gmail.com wrote: How about because IE6 is END-OF-LIFE and no longer supported Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.commailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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http://ie6funeral.com/ http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/196608.asp (goes with the above) http://ie6funeral.com/http://iedeathmarch.org/ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I think as part of Windows XP it lasts as long as XP. And since XP was given an extension it is in extended support into 2014. That means security patches for nearly 4 more years. I can't believe we're all paying for XP's popularity and stability. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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More and more of the Internet is going to no more IE6.How bad is the actual experience on your site? Is it - 'enh, not so great but usable' - 'has some occasional odd image or spacing issues' - 'completely unusable' If it is in the first 2 categories, then get a javascript or other browser detect method and pop a notice up on entry that users of older browsers may experience issues and please upgrade to IE7+, Firefox or Chrome. If it's in the last category, then how much value is it to that 10%? If it i sthat much value, get a cost estimate from your dev and ask is it worth $10k in initial costs + 2k in ongoing. Substitute actual numbers. Then ask who will be funding this effort? A nice news article link http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/06/internet.explorer.six/ http://www.ie6nomore.com/ So we circle back to your users. It really is all about them. What type of users are using IE6 and why? If it is corporate customers, well, see above link. If it is mom and pop, then a popup, or other link on ie6 detect to a page suggesting options may be a 'good thing'. Make it about money and cost effort, not idealism. If that 10% is making your company more money then it will cost to 'fix it' then the decision is easy. If it's not, then $$$ because a properly funded project is like money in the consultants / developers / not available for your bonus' pocket. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I think as part of Windows XP it lasts as long as XP. And since XP was given an extension it is in extended support into 2014. That means security patches for nearly 4 more years. I can't believe we're all paying for XP's popularity and stability. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Ammo request
Here's one explanation from MS on IE6's Life Cycle. http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean24 Windows 2003 SP1 support appears to expire on 4/14/2011 - http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3198 Windows XP Pro appears to have extended support until 4/18/2014 - http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223 Based on that information, it appears IE6 should receive extended support up until 4/18/2014. - Sean On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: More and more of the Internet is going to no more IE6.How bad is the actual experience on your site? Is it - 'enh, not so great but usable' - 'has some occasional odd image or spacing issues' - 'completely unusable' If it is in the first 2 categories, then get a javascript or other browser detect method and pop a notice up on entry that users of older browsers may experience issues and please upgrade to IE7+, Firefox or Chrome. If it's in the last category, then how much value is it to that 10%? If it i sthat much value, get a cost estimate from your dev and ask is it worth $10k in initial costs + 2k in ongoing. Substitute actual numbers. Then ask who will be funding this effort? A nice news article link http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/06/internet.explorer.six/ http://www.ie6nomore.com/ So we circle back to your users. It really is all about them. What type of users are using IE6 and why? If it is corporate customers, well, see above link. If it is mom and pop, then a popup, or other link on ie6 detect to a page suggesting options may be a 'good thing'. Make it about money and cost effort, not idealism. If that 10% is making your company more money then it will cost to 'fix it' then the decision is easy. If it's not, then $$$ because a properly funded project is like money in the consultants / developers / not available for your bonus' pocket. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I think as part of Windows XP it lasts as long as XP. And since XP was given an extension it is in extended support into 2014. That means security patches for nearly 4 more years. I can't believe we're all paying for XP's popularity and stability. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
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That is a very obfuscatory set of words. The general meaning of that seems to be that if you've installed SP3, and SP3 had patches in it for IE6, then you might get some support. Any patches for IE6 that came out for IE6 after SP3 for XP seem to be gravy. However, searching for security update for internet explorer 6 on http://www.microsoft.com/downloads shows that the latest update for IE6 was on 2010-06-08. Kurt On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 16:27, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one explanation from MS on IE6's Life Cycle. http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean24 Windows 2003 SP1 support appears to expire on 4/14/2011 - http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3198 Windows XP Pro appears to have extended support until 4/18/2014 - http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223 Based on that information, it appears IE6 should receive extended support up until 4/18/2014. - Sean On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: More and more of the Internet is going to no more IE6. How bad is the actual experience on your site? Is it - 'enh, not so great but usable' - 'has some occasional odd image or spacing issues' - 'completely unusable' If it is in the first 2 categories, then get a javascript or other browser detect method and pop a notice up on entry that users of older browsers may experience issues and please upgrade to IE7+, Firefox or Chrome. If it's in the last category, then how much value is it to that 10%? If it i sthat much value, get a cost estimate from your dev and ask is it worth $10k in initial costs + 2k in ongoing. Substitute actual numbers. Then ask who will be funding this effort? A nice news article link http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/08/06/internet.explorer.six/ http://www.ie6nomore.com/ So we circle back to your users. It really is all about them. What type of users are using IE6 and why? If it is corporate customers, well, see above link. If it is mom and pop, then a popup, or other link on ie6 detect to a page suggesting options may be a 'good thing'. Make it about money and cost effort, not idealism. If that 10% is making your company more money then it will cost to 'fix it' then the decision is easy. If it's not, then $$$ because a properly funded project is like money in the consultants / developers / not available for your bonus' pocket. Steven Peck http://www.blkmtn.org On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I think as part of Windows XP it lasts as long as XP. And since XP was given an extension it is in extended support into 2014. That means security patches for nearly 4 more years. I can't believe we're all paying for XP's popularity and stability. -Bill On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org wrote: Just a guess but it's probably the standard MS 5 and 5 (regular support/extended)which I think kills it next year. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership for Strong Families - Original Message - From: Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wed Jul 21 18:11:30 2010 Subject: Re: Ammo request I stand corrected. Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Roger Wright rhw...@gmail.com wrote: Does Microsoft even support IE6 anymore? I don't think so... Die dulci fruere! Roger Wright ___ On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Bill Songstad bsongs...@gmail.com wrote: I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may
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If those 10% of readers are making you money, then you probably shouldn't tell them not being able to view your site is their problem. Tech people (me included) want IE 6 and 7 to die, now. The real world doesn't care. With a business, you ignore IE6 when it makes financial sense. A recent /. post I found amusing when talking about not wanting to develop for ie6: Me either. But on those rare occasions when I'm not developing for unicorns, I have to consider the real world. -- Mike Gill From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 3:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Ammo request I work for an association that produces several newsletters for its membership, but a recent website upgrade is causing IE6 to display our pages poorly or not at all. I would like to build an argument to stop supporting IE6 and also help encourage users to upgrade. Does anyone in the group have any good arguements about using or supporting IE6? Our readership is 10% IE6. So marketing is screaming support it. The developers are saying its junk anyway and they need to be off it. I have my own opinions on it but would like to recommend a general industry opinion. So, what sayeth the industry? -Bill ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
