Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Your sense of irony is misplaced. I am not an elected official. Who I am does not matter in the slightest. I don't have a responsibility to the people that elected me to be accountable for my actions. If I WERE an elected official, I would put my name on anything I wrote. But instead, I have a job, and would prefer that I keep it. I just offered information that I hadn't heard through any of the standard media, and thought that the information would be of interest to some here. -Original Message- From: Phillips, Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e You wrote: No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient? I love the irony of someone called Anon Emouse complaining about people not putting their names to anything :) -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Tell them what you think about warrantless search and seizure, and about tacking it onto an appropriations bill, passing it out 30 min before debate/vote, and then passing it on a voice vote. No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient? I'll be the last to tell you what to say. If you aren't moved to write your congressperson, then don't. But this was pushed through without a lot of oversight or planning, and if it gets all the way through and is signed into law, then any prosecutor can authorize surveillance for 48 hours of ANYONE without a warrant. Doesn't sound good to me. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use And tell him what? -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Please read this article, and the attached text. Then write your congressman. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html Text of the Hatch-Feinstein Combating Terrorism Act of 2001: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html Muddled debate over the amendment: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html A. Nonny Mouse Watch-Mouse __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
If you go to the Wired.com article and click on the word approved you can find out how they voted. It is a link to the senate voting record for that particular bill. It turns out that 97 senators voted in favor (3 did not vote). I'd say read the article. This particular amendment could be enabling an invasion of privacy we don't want. Plus amendments worded in haste, like this one, can easily be ruled unconstitutional and therefore useless. I'm not against doing something but I'd prefer that time and care be taken to consider what exactly should be done. Heidi Phillips, Glen wrote: You wrote: No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient? I love the irony of someone called Anon Emouse complaining about people not putting their names to anything :) -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2001 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Tell them what you think about warrantless search and seizure, and about tacking it onto an appropriations bill, passing it out 30 min before debate/vote, and then passing it on a voice vote. No record of how any of them voted on it. Isn't that convenient? I'll be the last to tell you what to say. If you aren't moved to write your congressperson, then don't. But this was pushed through without a lot of oversight or planning, and if it gets all the way through and is signed into law, then any prosecutor can authorize surveillance for 48 hours of ANYONE without a warrant. Doesn't sound good to me. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 8:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use And tell him what? -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Please read this article, and the attached text. Then write your congressman. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html Text of the Hatch-Feinstein Combating Terrorism Act of 2001: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html Muddled debate over the amendment: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html A. Nonny Mouse Watch-Mouse __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm * If you receive this e-mail in error, please contact +44 20 7280 5500. The information contained in this e-mail and in the attachments if any, is confidential. Unauthorised use, disclosure, printing, forwarding or copying is strictly prohibited. * http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
We don't have TIME and the people that created the need for this action do not CARE. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
Civil liberties revoked anyone?? Feinstein and Hatch working together. wrong, so very wrong. Andrew J. Lund, MCSE Systems Manager IEA - San Francisco -Original Message- From: Anon Emouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Please read this article, and the attached text. Then write your congressman. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html Text of the Hatch-Feinstein Combating Terrorism Act of 2001: http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html Muddled debate over the amendment: http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html A. Nonny Mouse Watch-Mouse __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use
This is exactly why I was concerned, and why I shared the information. Again, you can agree or disagree with the actions of congress, and take action or not yourself. I will not try to sway anyone's opinion. Just wanted to give any of you that had not heard about this to form an opinion of your own. -Original Message- From: Kelly Borndale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e It is scary, innit? That is how the terrorists *really* win. Think about it. The government now wants to take away one of the ideas that this country was founded upon. K.Borndale [EMAIL PROTECTED] -home email - Original Message - From: Matt Moore To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e DITTO - Original Message - From: Marr, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore us e It is a very scary thing to be willing to give away any of our civil rights. Freedom is a very fragile thing and once taken requires a revolution to get it back. I agree that we need to do something but history shows that government tends to get more restrictive not less. We could justify all sorts of infringments how about police roadblocks every 2 city blocks that requires you to show id and have papers giving you the right to travel to the local grocery store? That would sure put a stop to a whole lot of crime including terrorism. But are we willing to go to that extent? Obviously we would not but I ask you why we would not. After all if I had nothing to hide then I should have no problem with a little inconvience if it means no crime. Of course the criminal would still find a way to do his/her thing but we will just overlook that fact. My point is simply that I agree that we need to do something but it is a very scary thing to be willing to give up freedom for any reason. Just my $.02 worth (take it or leave it) Chris -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Here here! -Original Message- From: Jerry Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Senate votes to permit warrantless Net-wiretaps, Carnivore use Write my Congressman about what? About implementing laws designed to protect us at the cost of a minor infringement on my civil rights? What are they doing that your employer or network admins, who could use benign e-mails in a much more malicious manner, don't already do. While I don't like it that we have go to these lengths, I feel it's necessary for our National Security. Besides, I've nothing to hide and if I had something to hide I would not be likely to send it via e-mail. Maybe, just maybe, if we had this in place a while back, some 6,000+ people, some of which may have even been on this list, would still be with us. It's a dangerous world out there, which requires unpleasant measures. GOD BLESS AMERICA. http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/ntsysadmin_list_charter.htm
