Re: Strange Time issue

[Kevin W]

Was cpu scaling enabled on the old hardware by any chance?

eg: AMD Cool 'n' Quiet or Intel SpeedStep

Nearly every time I've had this happen it was the cpu scaling up and 
down and the guest not handling the cpu clock cycle changes properly. 
The time "jumping" is a symptom of this.

Disableing the feature in the host BIOS should fix that.

Another cause, I only saw this once, was the guest process "jumping" 
from core to core every few seconds and the guest, again, not handling 
it quite right.
I ended up having to manually assign cpu cores in the config files for 
that box. :(



Kevin

On 8/10/2011 7:20 PM, Greg Sweers wrote:

A swap to new hardware resolved the issue.   Thanks everyone.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be 
"physically" running fast on the guest.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg 
Sweersmailto:gswe...@acts360.com>>  wrote:
Pinky swear??  As my two year old came home for the first time last week and 
said to me when I promised him a snack...

I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is 
changing that.

Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues.


1.The clock physically running fast.  Independent of time sync

2.   Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm 
/resync /rediscover commands.



Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849  Office
813-758-6850  Cell
813-341-1270  Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com<mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And 
you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself.

I promise. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Greg Sweers 
[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]<mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Well dang..If that doesn't beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command the stupid 
thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I set it again, run 
the /query /source shows the time.windows.com<http://time.windows.com/>.

Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.

Its just my week for random MS issues...

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849  Office
813-758-6850  Cell
813-341-1270  Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, 
Johnmailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>>  wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

  John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4

RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

A swap to new hardware resolved the issue.   Thanks everyone.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 1:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be 
"physically" running fast on the guest.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
Pinky swear??  As my two year old came home for the first time last week and 
said to me when I promised him a snack...

I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is 
changing that.

Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues.


1.The clock physically running fast.  Independent of time sync

2.   Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm 
/resync /rediscover commands.



Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com<mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And 
you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself.

I promise. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Greg Sweers 
[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]<mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Well dang..If that doesn't beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command the 
stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I set it 
again, run the /query /source shows the 
time.windows.com<http://time.windows.com/>.

Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.

Its just my week for random MS issues...

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org&l

Re: Strange Time issue

[Cameron]

Is the clock on the host running fast? If it's not, then it can't be
"physically" running fast on the guest.



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Greg Sweers  wrote:

>  Pinky swear??  As my two year old came home for the first time last week
> and said to me when I promised him a snack…
>
> ** **
>
> I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see
> what is changing that.  
>
> ** **
>
> Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues.
>
> ** **
>
> **1.   ** The clock physically running fast.  Independent of time sync
> 
>
> **2.   **Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a
> w32tm /resync /rediscover commands.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>***
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>   ** **
>
> So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above.
> And you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn’t happen by itself.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I promise. J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP****
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> Well dang..If that doesn’t beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command
> the stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I
> set it again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com.
>
> ** **
>
> Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Its just my week for random MS issues…
>
> ** **
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO****
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>***
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> The definitive document. J
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
> wrote:****
>
> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers
> because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system
> adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it
> turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  ****
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*****
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
&g

Re: Strange Time issue

[Andrew S. Baker]

I have a script to manage that whole process...

http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/?File=SetTimeSync.BAT

It relies on the following as well:

   - http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/?File=SetDrive.BAT
   -

   *http://KB.UltraTech-llc.com/Scripts/Input/?File=CustomVariables.TXT
<http://kb.ultratech-llc.com/Scripts/Input/?File=CustomVariables.TXT>*







* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> *Note *Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from
> which your computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must
> be unique. You must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not
> append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will
> not take effect.
>
> This was my issue...had to append the 0x1
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens  wrote:
>
>> Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  The definitive document. J
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>>
>>> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Michael B. Smith
>>>
>>> Consultant and Exchange MVP****
>>>
>>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
>>> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
>>> 
>>>
>>> *ASB*
>>>
>>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>>
>>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows
>>> servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX
>>> system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and
>>> it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
>>> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
>>> time.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>>
>>>  ****
>>>
>>> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All
>>> workstations sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  *John W. Cook*
>>>
>>> *System Administrator*
>>>
>>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>>
>>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>>
>>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>>
>>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>>
>>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>>
>>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC
>>> out to an external NTP server?****
>>>
>>> *David Lum*
>>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>>
>>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
>>> 

RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

Thanks Steve,

I ran this and my time sync source set correctly.  No more going back to Local 
CMOS for the /query /source command.

Now to just figure out why this darn clock is running to its own drumbeat... 
Since none of my other devices are doing this and its only these 2 virtuals on 
this one host.  I am going to move it to a different hardware.  Needs to be 
swapped anyway.  If that doesn't do it, I will start offering up the 
incentives. :)

This is what I ran.

w32tm /config /update /manualpeerlist:pool.ntp.org,0x1 /syncfromflags:MANUAL 
/reliable:YES
w32tm /config /update
net stop w32time
net start w32time
w32tm /resync /rediscover

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Note Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from which your 
computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must be unique. You 
must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not append ,0x1 to the 
end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will not take effect.

This was my issue...had to append the 0x1
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens 
mailto:stevey...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a f

Re: Strange Time issue

[Steve Ens]

*Note *Peers is a placeholder for a space-delimited list of peers from which
your computer obtains time stamps. Each DNS name that is listed must be
unique. You must append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name. If you do not
append ,0x1 to the end of each DNS name, the changes made in step 5 will not
take effect.

This was my issue...had to append the 0x1

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
>>  The definitive document. J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
>> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows
>> servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX
>> system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and
>> it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
>> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
>> time.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  
>>
>> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
>> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  
>>
>> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
>> to an external NTP server?
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  
>>
>> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
>> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>>
>>  
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  
>>
>> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
>> get their time from the hosts.
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for th

RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

Pinky swear??  As my two year old came home for the first time last week and 
said to me when I promised him a snack...

I will turn on the logging and let you know, I am really curious to see what is 
changing that.

Am I wrong in thinking this is 2 issues.


1.The clock physically running fast.  Independent of time sync

2.   Time sync changing from external to Local CMOS when running a w32tm 
/resync /rediscover commands.



Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And 
you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself.

I promise. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Greg Sweers 
[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]<mailto:[mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Well dang..If that doesn't beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command the 
stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I set it 
again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com.

Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.

Its just my week for random MS issues...

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.c

RE: Strange Time issue

[Michael B. Smith]

So? Every time the source changes, something gets logged on 2008 and above. And 
you can turn on logging for 2003. The change doesn't happen by itself.

I promise. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Well dang..If that doesn't beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command the 
stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I set it 
again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com.

Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.

Its just my week for random MS issues...

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <

RE: Strange Time issue

[David Lum]

+1, used that doc a couple months ago myself to correct a drift I was getting 
by letting Hyper-V supply the time to guests. Doing those sets fixed me right 
up!

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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Re: Strange Time issue

[Steve Kradel]

How thoroughly have you disabled ESX managing the time for the guests?

I ask because even though you can switch off time sync in VM tools etc., ESX
will *still* resync the guest's time to the host on certain events like
VMotion.  It can be extremely frustrating to see a perfectly good PDC with
multiple NTP peers go off the rails this way... apparently there are some
flags that can be added manually to the guest's vmx file to prevent it.

--Steve

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John wrote:
>
>>  We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows
>> servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX
>> system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and
>> it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
>> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
>> time.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
>> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
>> to an external NTP server?
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
>> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
>> get their time from the hosts.
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:*
>> ***
>>
>> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008
>> R2 server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
>> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
>> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
>> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
>> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
>> seconds in under a minute.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Greg Sweers*
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>>
>> *P.O. Box 1193*
>>
>> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>>
>> *813-657-0849 Office*
>>
>> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>>
>> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Strange Time issue

[Andrew S. Baker]

I have two servers configured to seek multiple external time sources.

Easy enough to manage, and we've had no time sync issues since.


* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:55 AM, John Cook  wrote:

>  Single point of failure……….
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  ** **
>
> I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and
> have them all sync to the DCs.  The FSMO role holder is the only machine
> syncing to an external time source.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
>
> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
> wrote:
>
> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers
> because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system
> adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it
> turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
> to an external NTP server?
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*****
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
> get their time from the hosts.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:**
> **
>
> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2
> server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
>  
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync agai

Re: Strange Time issue

[Steve Ens]

Your bet Saint M, read that one three weeks back to help fix a few issues.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  The definitive document. J
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
> wrote:
>
> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers
> because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system
> adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it
> turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.****
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*****
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
> to an external NTP server?
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
> get their time from the hosts.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:**
> **
>
> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2
> server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
>  
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
> seconds in under a minute.
>
>  
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> ~ Finally,

Re: Strange Time issue

[Andrew S. Baker]

Both.

* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:54 AM, John Cook  wrote:

>  Are we talking individual ESX hosts or several managed by a VCenter? 
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  ** **
>
> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
> wrote:
>
> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers
> because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system
> adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it
> turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.****
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*****
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
> to an external NTP server?
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
> get their time from the hosts.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:**
> **
>
> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2
> server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
>  
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
> seconds in under a minute.
>
>  
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
>  
>
>
> **
>

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RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

Well dang..If that doesn't beat all.  Everytime I run the resync command the 
stupid thing goes back to Local CMOS when I run a /query /source.  So I set it 
again, run the /query /source shows the time.windows.com.

Run the update, restart services, run the resync..bam back to local cmos.

Its just my week for random MS issues...

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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Re: Strange Time issue

[Steve Ens]

Redundant time servers in house

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:55 AM, John Cook  wrote:

>  Single point of failure……….
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP**4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  ** **
>
> I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and
> have them all sync to the DCs.  The FSMO role holder is the only machine
> syncing to an external time source.
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:
>
> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
> wrote:
>
> We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers
> because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system
> adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it
> turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.
>
>  
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*****
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
> to an external NTP server?
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>
>  
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*****
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
>  
>
> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
> get their time from the hosts.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:**
> **
>
> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2
> server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
>  
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
> seconds in under a minute.
>
>  
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>
>

RE: Strange Time issue

[Michael B. Smith]

The definitive document. :)

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2010/01/29/a-brief-history-of-time-ok-ok-let-s-go-with-quot-an-introduction-to-the-windows-time-service-quot.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

Single point of failure..

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and have 
them all sync to the DCs.  The FSMO role holder is the only machine syncing to 
an external time source.
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.

ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

Are we talking individual ESX hosts or several managed by a VCenter?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away 
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John 
mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com>> wrote:
We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org<mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org<http://north-america.pool.ntp.org>. 
I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com<mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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Re: Strange Time issue

[Steve Ens]

I've done the same thing on my hyperV guests...turn off host time sync and
have them all sync to the DCs.  The FSMO role holder is the only machine
syncing to an external time source.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved
> away from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John wrote:
>
>>  We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows
>> servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX
>> system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and
>> it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
>> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
>> time.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
>> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*****
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
>> to an external NTP server?
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
>> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
>> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>  *John W. Cook*
>>
>> *System Administrator*
>>
>> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>>
>> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>>
>> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>>
>> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>>
>> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>>
>> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
>> get their time from the hosts.
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:*
>> ***
>>
>> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008
>> R2 server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
>> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
>> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
>> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
>> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
>> seconds in under a minute.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Greg Sweers*
>>
>> CEO
>>
>> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>>
>> *P.O. Box 1193*
>>
>> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>>
>> *813-657-0849 Office*
>>
>> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>>
>> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> **
>>
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Re: Strange Time issue

[Andrew S. Baker]

Exactly the problem I've seen at two locations. That's why we moved away
from the hosts managing the clock for the guests.

* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Senter, John wrote:

>  We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows
> servers because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX
> system adjust it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and
> it turned out the ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a
> greater rate.  So let the domain do its thing with the servers by setting
> time.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
>  ** **
>
> All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations
> sync to physical DC’s that use standard Windows time service.
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> Are these domain machines? You don’t sync them to a DC and sync the DC out
> to an external NTP server?
>
> *David Lum*
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
> *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have
> my hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I’m on ESX 4.1 not ESXi
>
> ** **
>
>  *John W. Cook*
>
> *System Administrator*
>
> *Partnership For Strong Families*
>
> *5950 NW 1st Place*
>
> *Gainesville, Fl 32607*
>
> *Office (352) 244-1610*
>
> *Cell (352) 215-6944*
>
> *MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Strange Time issue
>
> ** **
>
> As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
> get their time from the hosts.
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:**
> **
>
> We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2
> server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
>  
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
> seconds in under a minute.
>
>  
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com <http://www.acts360.com/>*
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
>  
>
>
> **
>

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RE: Strange Time issue

[Mathew Shember]

Adding a "me too" post on the versions mentioned.

Also, I am wondering if it's a case of going over the Net for time versus a 
local clock.

I want to recall we had similar issues but they went away when we added an NTP 
device to the networks.

Memory is a bit scraggly in the morning.Coffee!

Thanks,
Mathew

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

We had this issue back in the ESX 3.5 days but it hasn't been an issue since 
our move to 4.1. We're only talking about 20 guests here.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

We had this issue back in the ESX 3.5 days but it hasn't been an issue since 
our move to 4.1. We're only talking about 20 guests here.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Senter, John [mailto:john.sen...@etrade.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[Senter, John]

We kept getting time issues when we had ESX set the time on Windows servers 
because the domain will adjust the server time and then the ESX system adjust 
it back. This kept causing the time to go back and forth and it turned out the 
ESX systems were getting skewed from the NTP source at a greater rate.  So let 
the domain do its thing with the servers by setting time.

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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w

RE: Strange Time issue

[Miller Bonnie L .]

I'm in NO way an electricity person.  If I understand correctly (and they are 
correct), this should not affect computers, but is be something to be aware of. 
 I'm sure someone out there knows the "why" and "why not" and will quickly 
reply 8)

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/electric_grid_experiment_could.html


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Wow, that's just bizarre

From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the 
VMWARE host.

Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 
2 servers on one host that run fast.  I am thinking its hardware, I can 
actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5.

Never seen this happen before.  Its not a sync issue it's the servers just 
running time fast and they get out of sync.  We run some sleep software that is 
real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain.

I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to 
the new box to rule out hardware.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

All domain machines. All VM guests sync to the ESX hosts. All workstations sync 
to physical DC's that use standard Windows time service.

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: Strange Time issue

[David Lum]

Wow, that's just bizarre

From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the 
VMWARE host.

Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 
2 servers on one host that run fast.  I am thinking its hardware, I can 
actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5.

Never seen this happen before.  Its not a sync issue it's the servers just 
running time fast and they get out of sync.  We run some sleep software that is 
real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain.

I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to 
the new box to rule out hardware.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

All workstations and server sync to the DC, the DC syncs outside as well as the 
VMWARE host.

Workstations have no issues and neither do most of the servers, its just these 
2 servers on one host that run fast.  I am thinking its hardware, I can 
actually watch the clock and for every 3 to 4 real seconds it runs 5.

Never seen this happen before.  Its not a sync issue it's the servers just 
running time fast and they get out of sync.  We run some sleep software that is 
real sensitive so in between sync time periods they complain.

I am real close to just taking out some new hardware and importing the VM's to 
the new box to rule out hardware.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]<mailto:[mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[David Lum]

Are these domain machines? You don't sync them to a DC and sync the DC out to 
an external NTP server?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[Greg Sweers]

Tools are loaded, but we are not syncing with the Host.  The DC is on another 
server, which is also running 2008 R2. Same setup.  Not syncing with Host.
The PDC is configured to sync with time.windows.com 0x1, per Microsoft time 
setup articles.  All of our workstations and other servers have no issue with 
time sync.
Never seen it before.
We also have our Vmware time sync with time.windows.com as well.  Had an issue 
way back when when guests were syncing with host regardless of settings so we 
just got in the habit.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax

From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange Time issue

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

I actually use the VMWare tools time sync function on the guests and have my 
hosts sync to north-america.pool.ntp.org. I'm on ESX 4.1 not ESXi

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange Time issue

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not get 
their time from the hosts.
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers 
mailto:gswe...@acts360.com>> wrote:
We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com<http://www.acts360.com/>
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax




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Re: Strange Time issue

[Andrew S. Baker]

As John notes, you should let the guests keep time for themselves, and not
get their time from the hosts.

* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Greg Sweers  wrote:

>  We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008
> R2 server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually
> tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.
> Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.
>
> ** **
>
> Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services,
> but nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server
> runs normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15
> seconds in under a minute.
>
> ** **
>
> *Greg Sweers*
>
> CEO
>
> *ACTS360.com ***
>
> *P.O. Box 1193*
>
> *Brandon, FL  33509*
>
> *813-657-0849 Office*
>
> *813-758-6850 Cell*
>
> *813-341-1270 Fax*
>
> ** **
>
>
>

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RE: Strange Time issue

[Joseph L. Casale]

Yeah,
So where's the DC, on the esx server? What time keeping does the esx server 
have setup? Is tools installed on both, is time keeping using tools or ntp?

There is a vmware kb article about how they recommend to setup time keeping for 
the guests.

jlc

From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange Time issue

We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


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RE: Strange Time issue

[John Cook]

Where are you syncing your ESX server to? Do your guests sync with it or are 
they keeping time themselves?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Greg Sweers [mailto:gswe...@acts360.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 9:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Strange Time issue

We have a single VMware ESXi 4.1 running 1 Windows 2003 R2, and 1 x 2008 R2 
server.  The 2008 R2 server runs faster.  Watching the clock it actually 
tickets about 3 real seconds to 5 seconds on the clock in the console.  
Needless to say this puts stuff out of sync pretty quick.

Looked online and I found a few posts regarding some weird time services, but 
nothing Microsoft or VMware.  Anyone seen this before?  The 2003 Server runs 
normally.  I can resync against the DC and they are out of sync by 15 seconds 
in under a minute.

Greg Sweers
CEO
ACTS360.com
P.O. Box 1193
Brandon, FL  33509
813-657-0849 Office
813-758-6850 Cell
813-341-1270 Fax


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