RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn't... -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability. ( or bloat the os more with dual capability ??? ) Chicken or the Egg ? Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn’t… -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 We've heard that before. Maybe this time it will come true. Modern BIOSes usually don't take more than a few seconds to boot, so that seems like a non-issue. The single biggest driving factor is prolly the size limit of the conventional IBM-PC partition table. Although I bet they could extend the traditional BIOS again if they didn't have a compelling alternative. This would mean you won't be able to install MS-DOS on your 2.5 terabyte hard disk, though. ;-) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability. ( or bloat the os more with dual capability ??? ) Boot loader code is tiny (because it has to be). Bloat isn't really an issue. It might mean installing a different boot loader for BIOS and one for $NEW_THING, but that's about it. Once the OS boots the OS device drivers take over and the BIOS (or $NEW_THING) doesn't matter anymore. The main reason the BIOS has held on as long as it has is that it's been less painful to extend the BIOS than it has been to replace everything else. Now that we're up against a hard limit in the conventional IBM-PC partition table, we have to break backwards compatibility to move forward anyway. So now's the time to change everything else, too. I'm betting $NEW_THING will still have a good deal of BIOS compatibility/emulation anyway, for hardware compatibility. Otherwise option card BIOS ROMs might break. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
No more BIOS? That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard - press F1 to continue :-( James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 05:59:49 AM: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message - From: James Rankin To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Perhaps it is BIAS? James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 08:21:15 AM: Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message - From: James Rankin To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM, richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote: No more BIOS? That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard - press F1 to continue :-( Oh, I'm sure IBM's implementation of $NEW_THING will retain their error messages. They've held on for 30 years, why would they stop now? :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
I found the picture of the floppy disk quite hilarious. Shook From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality. - Original Message - From: James Rankinmailto:kz2...@googlemail.com To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
It's all about names and marketing. The underlying and overall function of the firmware must still be the same. But this is NEW! and You Need It to be on the cutting edge. It wouldn't have the same promotional value had it been called BIOS 2.0 or NGBIOS. For sure, compatibility is a requirement, as there are plenty of bootable programs that depend on the BIOS interface to hard drives in order to function. Carl From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... It's all about standards . either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability. ( or bloat the os more with dual capability ??? ) Chicken or the Egg ? Erik Goldoff IT Consultant Systems, Networks, Security ' Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! ' From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn't. -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible over time. This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not be short-term in practice. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible over time. This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not be short-term in practice. +4294967295 -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Like the Y2K issue? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible over time. This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not be short-term in practice. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Something like that... *ASB* * * On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote: Like the Y2K issue? *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I liked the following: Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed. They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible over time. This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not be short-term in practice. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Like the Y2K issue? It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Like the Y2K issue? It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee or even you-ee-fee These things matter!!! J Paul G. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Probably the same thing we call our equipment. You effing mo... Oh, sorry. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Paul Gordon paul_gor...@hotmail.comwrote: But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we’re all used to saying “Bye-ohs”, what about UEFI??? – perhaps “You-fee” or how about “you-ay-fee” or even “you-ee-fee” These things matter!!! J Paul G. *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* 01 October 2010 12:00 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Reminds me of a university choral organization to which I belong... A breathing exercise/warm-up has us going F... S... SH... repeaditly. All I can think when doing this is, Hey, that's been my whole afternoon! Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 11:32:43 AM: Probably the same thing we call our equipment. You effing mo... Oh, sorry. On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Paul Gordon paul_gor...@hotmail.com wrote: But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we?re all used to saying ?Bye-ohs?, what about UEFI??? ? perhaps ?You-fee? or how about ?you-ay-fee? or even ?you-ee-fee? These things matter!!! J Paul G. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
Awesome. Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba. Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key so you can dun git into th' configurin' screen 'n such Shook From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I don't know about the rest of the northern people, but here near Philly, it's not BIOS, it's Yo, Frankie, hit f1 to get into that setup thingy. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.commailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I always found it amusing when my northern counterparts pronounce it as by-ause. Freakin' Yankees :) Shook From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee or even you-ee-fee These things matter!!! :) Paul G. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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However, the universal reply is always Byte me From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... Awesome. Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba. Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key so you can dun git into th' configurin' screen 'n such Shook From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I don't know about the rest of the northern people, but here near Philly, it's not BIOS, it's Yo, Frankie, hit f1 to get into that setup thingy. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... I always found it amusing when my northern counterparts pronounce it as by-ause. Freakin' Yankees J Shook From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh... But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee or even you-ee-fee These things matter!!! J Paul G. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069 Probably well overdue, in hindsight -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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You think people will be reading the archives of this list in the around year 3000? - Original Message - From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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What about the 2038 problem? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: What about the 2038 problem? That's a somewhat different beast. Y2K is mainly a human factors problem, as it's humans who like two-digit years, not computers. (Contrary to popular belief, data storage capacity was *not* the big contributor to Y2K.) 2038 is a straight technology capacity limit. As far as Y2038 goes... conventional thinking is that everyone will have moved to a 64-bit signed integer before it becomes a problem. Per the spec, time_t is an opaque data structure, so properly-written code won't notice. [pause for laughter] But even code that does math directly on time_t prolly won't care, since the math should be the same. If you need binary compatibility with old data structures, though... well, sucks to be you. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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That's OK, it's all over by 2012. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... What about the 2038 problem? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Don't forget 12/21/2012... From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... What about the 2038 problem? On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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I was more commenting in the laziness of people. -sc -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh... On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote: It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in entirely new code. It's amazing how many programmers just don't expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the current year not -1900, or whatever. I've saw years like 109 show up on Verizon's website as recently as last year. Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they bother? Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century. And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000. There's a good chance some people reading this list will be alive for that. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt- software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
