RE: Server cloning

2010-11-23 Thread Mike Gill 
I don't know if this will run on a server OS or not, but when I need to
install a new or larger hard drive into a machine I use Acronis Migrate
Easy. It's free to use for 15 days which is plenty of time for a clone. It
installs in Windows then does the work pre-boot after restarting. It's very
fast. Clonezilla works well too and is ISO based. Not the most intuitive
piece of software if you haven't used it before, but the prompts are too
bad.

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Server cloning

 

I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware.  The current server is 2008
member server and the new server will be the same.  The server houses SQL
and Great Plains, something that would be easier to clone than copy over.

 

Looking around, I see quite a few options:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_cloning_software

 

I don't mind paying for it as long as it works well, is pretty fast, and I
don't have to spend lots of time getting it to work. 

 

Anyone have any favorites?  Never having cloned servers before, suggestions
appreciated.

 

 

 

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RE: Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Joseph L. Casale 
Search the archives, I posted a how to on this a while ago...

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From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Server cloning

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:
> I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware.

  Cloning the disks is easy.  The tricky part is usually the device driver for 
the disk controller.  That's often incompatible across hardware.  So you try to 
your cloned disk image on new hardware and get STOP 0x7B, 
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE, during Windows startup.
Windows doesn't make it easy to change boot disk device drivers after the fact. 
 There's a procedure you can follow ahead of time to install the needed driver 
and then enable it for boot time.  The second part is critical.  Simply 
installing the drivers isn't enough.  The driver needs to be enabled for boot 
or it won't be loaded yet at the point the kernel tries to mount the system 
partition.

  There used to be an MSKB on this, but I can't find it right now.  I do find 
articles stating this method is "not supported", so maybe Microsoft's official 
stance is you can't do this.  Meh.  That's bogus; it's straightforward.  The 
short version is: Install the driver for the disk controller in the new 
hardware, and then set the driver's service startup type to SERVICE_BOOT_START.

  Alternatively, commercial products exist which will let you do this 
after-the-fact.  Acronis "Universal Restore" is one I've heard good things 
about.

-- Ben

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Re: Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Jonathan Link 
Drive size is essentially irrelevant, the smaller drive will determine the
overall size of the mirror.
You may then be able to recover the unused disk space when it is moved to
the other machine with diskpart.

Ben's comment is spot on, though.  If all else is equal, except drive size,
I'd be inclined to give the mirror a try, it's free and fast.  The data can
be written without any downtime.  You only have downtime related to
inserting and pulling out the drive.  With an imaging product, you'll be
subject to downtime while you're making the image, and speed was one of your
stated goals...

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:

> Not possible, these drivers are different size.
>
> >>> Tony Patton  11/22/2010 10:03 AM >>>
>
> The preferred choice of a colleague of mine at previous job was to swap the
> disks on a mirrored array and let it rebuild :)
>
> T
>
> typed slowly on HTC Desire
>  On 22 Nov 2010 13:53, "Tom Miller"  wrote:
> > I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware. The current server is 2008
> member server and the new server will be the same. The server houses SQL and
> Great Plains, something that would be easier to clone than copy over.
> >
> > Looking around, I see quite a few options:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_cloning_software
> >
> > I don't mind paying for it as long as it works well, is pretty fast, and
> I don't have to spend lots of time getting it to work.
> >
> > Anyone have any favorites? Never having cloned servers before,
> suggestions appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Tom Miller 
Not possible, these drivers are different size.  

>>> Tony Patton  11/22/2010 10:03 AM >>>

The preferred choice of a colleague of mine at previous job was to swap the 
disks on a mirrored array and let it rebuild :)
T
typed slowly on HTC DesireOn 22 Nov 2010 13:53, "Tom Miller" 
 wrote:
> I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware. The current server is 2008 
> member server and the new server will be the same. The server houses SQL and 
> Great Plains, something that would be easier to clone than copy over.
> 
> Looking around, I see quite a few options: 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_cloning_software
> 
> I don't mind paying for it as long as it works well, is pretty fast, and I 
> don't have to spend lots of time getting it to work. 
> 
> Anyone have any favorites? Never having cloned servers before, suggestions 
> appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Ben Scott 
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Tom Miller  wrote:
> I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware.

  Cloning the disks is easy.  The tricky part is usually the device
driver for the disk controller.  That's often incompatible across
hardware.  So you try to your cloned disk image on new hardware and
get STOP 0x7B, INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE, during Windows startup.
Windows doesn't make it easy to change boot disk device drivers after
the fact.  There's a procedure you can follow ahead of time to install
the needed driver and then enable it for boot time.  The second part
is critical.  Simply installing the drivers isn't enough.  The driver
needs to be enabled for boot or it won't be loaded yet at the point
the kernel tries to mount the system partition.

  There used to be an MSKB on this, but I can't find it right now.  I
do find articles stating this method is "not supported", so maybe
Microsoft's official stance is you can't do this.  Meh.  That's bogus;
it's straightforward.  The short version is: Install the driver for
the disk controller in the new hardware, and then set the driver's
service startup type to SERVICE_BOOT_START.

  Alternatively, commercial products exist which will let you do this
after-the-fact.  Acronis "Universal Restore" is one I've heard good
things about.

-- Ben

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Re: Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Tony Patton 
The preferred choice of a colleague of mine at previous job was to swap the
disks on a mirrored array and let it rebuild :)

T

typed slowly on HTC Desire
On 22 Nov 2010 13:53, "Tom Miller"  wrote:
> I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware. The current server is 2008
member server and the new server will be the same. The server houses SQL and
Great Plains, something that would be easier to clone than copy over.
>
> Looking around, I see quite a few options:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_cloning_software
>
> I don't mind paying for it as long as it works well, is pretty fast, and I
don't have to spend lots of time getting it to work.
>
> Anyone have any favorites? Never having cloned servers before, suggestions
appreciated.
>
>
>
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Server cloning

2010-11-22 Thread Tom Miller 
I need to do a one-time clone to new hardware.  The current server is 2008 
member server and the new server will be the same.  The server houses SQL and 
Great Plains, something that would be easier to clone than copy over.
 
Looking around, I see quite a few options:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_cloning_software
 
I don't mind paying for it as long as it works well, is pretty fast, and I 
don't have to spend lots of time getting it to work. 
 
Anyone have any favorites?  Never having cloned servers before, suggestions 
appreciated.
 
 

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