Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Agreed. While there are better options than RAID5 for specific configurations, RAID5 is by no means obsolete -- even with today's huge drive sizes... * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote: That article seems over the top. Not to mention that RIAD 6 isn't new, Compaq had that as an option way before HP bought them. As to having to wait 2 weeks, well, that's why we buy the more expensive options with hardware due to the warrentee program. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: Great articles. I have been sceptical of Raid5 for main years after an incident where I spent 2 weeks waiting on a spare controller being sourced while an array was down and 400+ people were asking me when it would be fixed about twice a day!! In the SBS case it was a Raid1 Pair. I now would much rather put in 4 mirrored pairs than a RAID5. Putting in faster drives or SSD is a much simpler option. Anyone can install a RAID5 set, but it takes a lot of work to recover data from one. It's like anything in IT, if you put all your eggs in one basket then you need to protect that basket. If your budget cannot afford to protect that basket then you need to mitigate or accept the risk. Mike -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: 08 October 2011 05:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up On 5 Oct 2011 at 11:44, Mike Hoffman wrote: I´ve just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. Related story Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 Due to the size of modern drives, one can apparently EXPECT a read-failure during a RAID-5 rebuild, so RAID 5 is no longer reliable enough. With 120GB drives it was fine. With terabyte drives it isn't. RAID5 versus RAID10 (or even RAID3 or RAID4) To put things into perspective: If a drive costs $1000US (and most are far less expensive than that) then switching from a 4 pair RAID10 array to a 5 drive RAID5 array will save 3 drives or $3000US. What is the cost of overtime, wear and tear on the technicians, DBAs, managers, and customers of even a recovery scare? What is the cost of reduced performance and possibly reduced customer satisfaction? Finally what is the cost of lost business if data is unrecoverable? I maintain that the drives are FAR cheaper! Hence my mantra: NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! http://miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
That article seems over the top. Not to mention that RIAD 6 isn't new, Compaq had that as an option way before HP bought them. As to having to wait 2 weeks, well, that's why we buy the more expensive options with hardware due to the warrentee program. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: Great articles. I have been sceptical of Raid5 for main years after an incident where I spent 2 weeks waiting on a spare controller being sourced while an array was down and 400+ people were asking me when it would be fixed about twice a day!! In the SBS case it was a Raid1 Pair. I now would much rather put in 4 mirrored pairs than a RAID5. Putting in faster drives or SSD is a much simpler option. Anyone can install a RAID5 set, but it takes a lot of work to recover data from one. It's like anything in IT, if you put all your eggs in one basket then you need to protect that basket. If your budget cannot afford to protect that basket then you need to mitigate or accept the risk. Mike -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: 08 October 2011 05:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up On 5 Oct 2011 at 11:44, Mike Hoffman wrote: I´ve just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. Related story Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 Due to the size of modern drives, one can apparently EXPECT a read-failure during a RAID-5 rebuild, so RAID 5 is no longer reliable enough. With 120GB drives it was fine. With terabyte drives it isn't. RAID5 versus RAID10 (or even RAID3 or RAID4) To put things into perspective: If a drive costs $1000US (and most are far less expensive than that) then switching from a 4 pair RAID10 array to a 5 drive RAID5 array will save 3 drives or $3000US. What is the cost of overtime, wear and tear on the technicians, DBAs, managers, and customers of even a recovery scare? What is the cost of reduced performance and possibly reduced customer satisfaction? Finally what is the cost of lost business if data is unrecoverable? I maintain that the drives are FAR cheaper! Hence my mantra: NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! http://miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
I agree with the 2 weeks. It was supposed to be on a business warranty, but the company concerned was called Opus Technology, they were the UK branch of Tiny Computers - specialising in Education. At the time (%DayJob%-4) they told a good story. We eventually threatened them with legal action and they pulled a similar controller out of an internal machine. A while back we had a client who was putting in 1000+ drives at a time and for them it was not a case of if a drive failed, but trying to predict the last possible moment that the drive was usable to be most cost efficient. Mike From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 October 2011 17:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up That article seems over the top. Not to mention that RIAD 6 isn't new, Compaq had that as an option way before HP bought them. As to having to wait 2 weeks, well, that's why we buy the more expensive options with hardware due to the warrentee program. On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.netmailto:m...@drumbrae.net wrote: Great articles. I have been sceptical of Raid5 for main years after an incident where I spent 2 weeks waiting on a spare controller being sourced while an array was down and 400+ people were asking me when it would be fixed about twice a day!! In the SBS case it was a Raid1 Pair. I now would much rather put in 4 mirrored pairs than a RAID5. Putting in faster drives or SSD is a much simpler option. Anyone can install a RAID5 set, but it takes a lot of work to recover data from one. It's like anything in IT, if you put all your eggs in one basket then you need to protect that basket. If your budget cannot afford to protect that basket then you need to mitigate or accept the risk. Mike -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.commailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: 08 October 2011 05:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up On 5 Oct 2011 at 11:44, Mike Hoffman wrote: I´ve just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. Related story Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 Due to the size of modern drives, one can apparently EXPECT a read-failure during a RAID-5 rebuild, so RAID 5 is no longer reliable enough. With 120GB drives it was fine. With terabyte drives it isn't. RAID5 versus RAID10 (or even RAID3 or RAID4) To put things into perspective: If a drive costs $1000US (and most are far less expensive than that) then switching from a 4 pair RAID10 array to a 5 drive RAID5 array will save 3 drives or $3000US. What is the cost of overtime, wear and tear on the technicians, DBAs, managers, and customers of even a recovery scare? What is the cost of reduced performance and possibly reduced customer satisfaction? Finally what is the cost of lost business if data is unrecoverable? I maintain that the drives are FAR cheaper! Hence my mantra: NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! http://miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038tel:1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Great articles. I have been sceptical of Raid5 for main years after an incident where I spent 2 weeks waiting on a spare controller being sourced while an array was down and 400+ people were asking me when it would be fixed about twice a day!! In the SBS case it was a Raid1 Pair. I now would much rather put in 4 mirrored pairs than a RAID5. Putting in faster drives or SSD is a much simpler option. Anyone can install a RAID5 set, but it takes a lot of work to recover data from one. It's like anything in IT, if you put all your eggs in one basket then you need to protect that basket. If your budget cannot afford to protect that basket then you need to mitigate or accept the risk. Mike -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] Sent: 08 October 2011 05:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up On 5 Oct 2011 at 11:44, Mike Hoffman wrote: I´ve just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. Related story Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 Due to the size of modern drives, one can apparently EXPECT a read-failure during a RAID-5 rebuild, so RAID 5 is no longer reliable enough. With 120GB drives it was fine. With terabyte drives it isn't. RAID5 versus RAID10 (or even RAID3 or RAID4) To put things into perspective: If a drive costs $1000US (and most are far less expensive than that) then switching from a 4 pair RAID10 array to a 5 drive RAID5 array will save 3 drives or $3000US. What is the cost of overtime, wear and tear on the technicians, DBAs, managers, and customers of even a recovery scare? What is the cost of reduced performance and possibly reduced customer satisfaction? Finally what is the cost of lost business if data is unrecoverable? I maintain that the drives are FAR cheaper! Hence my mantra: NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! http://miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
On 5 Oct 2011 at 11:44, Mike Hoffman wrote: I´ve just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. Related story Why RAID 5 stops working in 2009 | ZDNet http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/why-raid-5-stops-working-in-2009/162 Due to the size of modern drives, one can apparently EXPECT a read-failure during a RAID-5 rebuild, so RAID 5 is no longer reliable enough. With 120GB drives it was fine. With terabyte drives it isn't. RAID5 versus RAID10 (or even RAID3 or RAID4) To put things into perspective: If a drive costs $1000US (and most are far less expensive than that) then switching from a 4 pair RAID10 array to a 5 drive RAID5 array will save 3 drives or $3000US. What is the cost of overtime, wear and tear on the technicians, DBAs, managers, and customers of even a recovery scare? What is the cost of reduced performance and possibly reduced customer satisfaction? Finally what is the cost of lost business if data is unrecoverable? I maintain that the drives are FAR cheaper! Hence my mantra: NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! NO RAID5! http://miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Firmware and driver updates is a good idea, but have you done any resource monitoring? It could have something like a handle leak, a shortage of virtual memory, any one of a number of things. Is access to the console itself slow when it gets in this state? Can you connect to other shares on the machine okay (such as the admin$ or c$ shares)? On 5 October 2011 11:23, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
In response to the perms, robocopy can quite easily be configured to copy NTFS permissions when it copies the files. On 5 October 2011 11:23, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. * * The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. * * In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets** ** At Home yesterday. * * We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! * * The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. * ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Something is dying on that box, or you've got some sort of weird memory leak. Those would be my preliminary guesses. For permissions manipulation, use FileACL ( http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl29.htm) OR SetACL ( http://helgeklein.com/setacl/feature-set/) * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
I've just had a similar thing with an SBS 2008 box, and discovered the Raid drives had issues. After replacing one drive the rebuild stuck at 99.83% and after that every 6-8 hours the network cards stopped and the system just froze. Now the box is virtual and running fine since. So just a thought ... Mike From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 October 2011 11:33 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up Something is dying on that box, or you've got some sort of weird memory leak. Those would be my preliminary guesses. For permissions manipulation, use FileACL (http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl29.htm) OR SetACL (http://helgeklein.com/setacl/feature-set/) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.orgmailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Thanks folks, much appreciated. I plan to do some resource monitoring today but it might be just as easy to rebuild it. Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com 10/5/2011 6:32 AM Something is dying on that box, or you've got some sort of weird memory leak. Those would be my preliminary guesses. For permissions manipulation, use FileACL (http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl29.htm) OR SetACL (http://helgeklein.com/setacl/feature-set/) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
Have you looked at performance monitor, or at least task manager to see if you have a process with climbing CPU and/or memory utilization ? In the old days, the snmp process had a memory leak requiring attention on a regular basis. wonder if you have a similar process somewhere misbehaving. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
I would also start here http://pal.codeplex.com/ Regards, J From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up Have you looked at performance monitor, or at least task manager to see if you have a process with climbing CPU and/or memory utilization ? In the old days, the snmp process had a memory leak requiring attention on a regular basis. wonder if you have a similar process somewhere misbehaving. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
If it is a hardware issue the rebuild will not help you. Try figuring it out first I know time is money but it sounds hardware related to me. Jon On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Thanks folks, much appreciated. I plan to do some resource monitoring today but it might be just as easy to rebuild it. Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com 10/5/2011 6:32 AM Something is dying on that box, or you've got some sort of weird memory leak. Those would be my preliminary guesses. For permissions manipulation, use FileACL ( http://www.gbordier.com/gbtools/fileacl29.htm) OR SetACL ( http://helgeklein.com/setacl/feature-set/) ** *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
R: Server gets sloooower the longer it stays up
It still misses localization Guido Elia HELPPC Da: daemonR00t [mailto:daemonr...@sysadmin-cr.com] Inviato: mercoledì 5 ottobre 2011 14.25 A: NT System Admin Issues Oggetto: RE: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up I would also start here http://pal.codeplex.com/ Regards, :) From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 5:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Server gets slwer the longer it stays up Have you looked at performance monitor, or at least task manager to see if you have a process with climbing CPU and/or memory utilization ? In the old days, the snmp process had a memory leak requiring attention on a regular basis. wonder if you have a similar process somewhere misbehaving. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.orgmailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Hey Folks, I have a Windows 2008 server that's been giving me troubles for a week or so. I have to reboot it (force power off) to get it to respond again. The server is fine for a day or two when I reboot it, I can access it normally, then access to the file system (this is a vanilla file server) becomes slower, and I never get fully logon once the slowness starts. The server has been in production a few years. After the reboot I don't see anything in the event logs to indicate any issues like I'd expect. There are probably firmware and driver updates available, so I'm going to start there. Anything else? I might just destroy and rebuild it. The file system has some pretty complicated perms, so what are your favorite utilities to backup/restore permissions (other than backup software). Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
